Current Events > Demon's Souls remake has no difficulty options and people are upset.

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WallStreetWolf posted...

All games should be accessible to everyone.

Difficulty is not an accessibility issue.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

So why does the inclusion of difficulty options bother you?

I am so tired of this strawman. No one is opposed to difficulty options. We are tired of people who whine and beg for them though.

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The whole point of games like souls series, Bloodborne and monster Hunter is to give an incomparable experience to the people who are willing to invest in the time and effort to learn the systems, at the cost of the casuals

Remember what happened to Fire Emblem after awakening was released? They added a casual mode and the very next game was a mass market waifu simulator cash grab

And monster Hunter world? Base game could be beat with minimum armour and it took me 30 hours to beat. Going back to GU and I couldn't even hunt a deviant Arzuros without fainting. World literally made me a worse hunter. Hoping rise will go back but I'm not hopeful

Git gud. If you don't want to, then go play cooking mama or gone home
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They could add an easy mode as long as it completely disables you from playing with people on the normal difficulty.

Demon's Souls was made to be challenging but it wasn't going for a "BRO LOOK HOW HARD I AM" thing in its inception. The Souls games are more than just the challenge aspect. People put that way too high on a pedestal.

If people want a mode that makes the game easy, fuck it give it to em. These are games made to entertain people at the end of the day.

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Its kind of like asking for an easy mode in Mario by adding an auto jump feature.

The entire point of the game is the game mechanics.

There arent a lot of cutscenes and narrative to enjoy, you just lose everything the game is built around, so why bother?

To wallstreetwolf, your point wasnt about gaining game knowledge which anyone can do. It was about ability, you lost the thread of your own argument halfway through.

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Alteres posted...

Its kind of like asking for an easy mode in Mario by adding an auto jump feature.

The entire point of the game is the game mechanics.

There arent a lot of cutscenes and narrative to enjoy, you just lose everything the game is built around, so why bother?

To wallstreetwolf, your point wasnt about gaining game knowledge which anyone can do. It was about ability, you lost the thread of your own argument halfway through.

But there are modern Mario games with easy modes built into the main game. If you die enough in SMG2, the game will literally beat the level for you. Nobody cared that the OPTION was there because it was OPTIONAL. 3D Land would give you an invincible raccoon suit if you died enough.

Games are more than just their difficulty

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Kinda why I was specific in my example, and I was hoping people would get the point I was trying to make.

Welp.

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Alteres posted...

Kinda why I was specific in my example, and I was hoping people would get the point I was trying to make.

Welp.

It's pretty simple why these accessibility features are in the games. If someone is just stuck on a certain level, let em pass. Fuck it. There's more of the game for them to see. What's the point of this mechanic? To ensure that player is having fun

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They could do what some of the recent mario games are doing: if you die enough it gives you an invincibility power up till the end of the level.

Maybe here it could give you more poise/defense till the next bonfire/area.
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TsunamiFox posted...

Difficulty is not an accessibility issue.

Great point.

Ive seen runs of Dark Souls being beating with a guitar controller, a dance dance pad, hell, one group set up chairs on which sitting down on the chair triggered a specific button, and all of them had to stand up/sit down in coordination. They beat the first boss like that.

Honestly, with all the crazy and wacky runs Ive seen of the game, Im inclined to say if you cant play it, its probably more on you then the game at this point.


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Blue_Inigo posted...

But there are modern Mario games with easy modes built into the main game. If you die enough in SMG2, the game will literally beat the level for you. Nobody cared that the OPTION was there because it was OPTIONAL. 3D Land would give you an invincible raccoon suit if you died enough.

Games are more than just their difficulty

actually this pissed me the hell off in one of them. One of the games marked your save file with...like a star or something, if you never used the insta-win feature. But the thing is, the game treated the appearance of the insta-win block as using the feature, regardless of whether or not you ignored it. And there wasnt a way to turn the feature off.

so if you wanted a perfect file, you needed to manually track your deaths and reset the game when you were about to spawn the insta-win block.

I mean its a small thing but still lmao


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See I understand getting good and I do often use that term myself but the issue WallStreetWolf presents is genuinely a good one because I do believe that every game should be playable and if you have a physical problem that hinders that developers should be looking into ways to solve it. This is a huge problem with games as a whole since the audience has broadened and say what you want about The Last of Us Part 2, I do believe they did a wonderful job with all their accessibility options and should be dissected and researched by other developers.

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People need to understand they're not the target audience of everything. Move on and play something else.
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I dont get why people think adding difficulty settings is an easy task. Unless they want a literal cant die mode, its going to just be an unneeded time sink to craft and balance different modes for the ten people who dont want a very difficult experience. Just watch it on YouTube at that point. With the exclusion of very, very disabled players, I dont see what is fun about pressing A to win over just watching it.

AirFresh posted...

See I understand getting good and I do often use that term myself but the issue WallStreetWolf presents is genuinely a good one because I do believe that every game should be playable and if you have a physical problem that hinders that developers should be looking into ways to solve it. This is a huge problem with games as a whole since the audience has broadened and say what you want about The Last of Us Part 2, I do believe they did a wonderful job with all their accessibility options and should be dissected and researched by other developers.

xbox has an adaptive controller lol blame the hardware manufacturer not the software

As someone who doesn't enjoy being extremely frustrated at a game or dying over and over, I know that this game series just isn't for me.

*shrug*

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harley2280 posted...

People need to understand they're not the target audience of everything. Move on and play something else.

for real, this shit is annoying. My theory is that there are a lot of people that dont particularly like video games, they just like the culture around it, they like being at the forefront of the hot new geek culture thing. So they want to be able to participate online and be in the cool crowd but not actually make any effort investment


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FromSoft to casuals - "GITFUCKINGGUD LOL"

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Jagr_68 posted...

FromSoft to casuals - "GITFUCKINGGUD LOL"

lmfao yes

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Wait until the tweets about gender specific items

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Participating in this thread has made me realize the two strongest points for not having difficulties.

First off, not every game is made for everyone and if we tried to make every game for everyone, it wouldnt matter what game you played because everything is the same.

Also, Including "difficulties" usually just boils down to editing numbers. Its lazy for the devs and its lazy for the player. When a game becomes easier you can perform very simple actions to accomplish complex tasks, which changes the intended mechanics for the game.

Example: poison flower beds were meant as dangerous terrain obstacles but in easy mode you take a 1/5 of the damage from these so it no longer becomes all that important to avoid them while shooting baddies so you can belligerently ignore them while in combat. Thus; the overall intended experience has changed. Not to mention that is one small cog in the overall hypothetical game. Edit enough numbers and you have near many things being altered.

I think the less amount of different difficulties the more the devs can polish the game and maximize the experience. And a more difficult game forces players to learn mechanics. Take Wallstreet wolf for example, that other poster was very helpful and was ready to give lots of useful info to help make the game easier. But he didnt want that, he just wants an easy mode where you swing the weapon and everything dies. Theres plenty of games like that already, just play those if you arent actually interested in learning about the how the game works.

Again not every game is for everyone.

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Hash062 posted...

This is awesome. Git gud or git butthurt you filthy casuals.

Or I just wont play it and will give another game my money instead.

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bnui_ransder posted...

"Why should I have to learn? Just make it work for me!"

Fuck off

while being an epic hardcore gamer might be your only accomplishment in life, the same is not true for normal humans.

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ThePopcornKing posted...

while being an epic hardcore gamer might be your only accomplishment in life, the same is not true for normal humans.

Did this guy really argue that being successful in a video game and in real life are mutually exclusive?
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Never played these games but If you are wanting to put it on easy then whats the point of even playing the game?

Dont tell me people are playing it for the story or something? lmao

awesome999 posted...

Did this guy really argue that being successful in a video game and in real life are mutually exclusive?

no, but to care that other people play videos games differently to you suggests you have very little else going on in your life or a mental malady, as there is literally no logical reason to think that way.

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WallStreetWolf posted...

They have a right to be upset. Fuck that elitist gatekeeping company. There's no reason they can't mess around with settings and make an easy mode whether it's for people that don't want a challenge or disabled people or whatever. All games should be accessible to everyone. The last of us 2 is a phenomenal game on its own, but their accessibility options should be the new standard

quit thinking your entitled to a difficulty option. The people who have supported this series from the beginning loved it because it rewarded perseverance. Respect that this is how the developers want their games to be and quit crying because its not how you demand them to be. Struggle like everyone else and overcome.

quit using disabled people as a crutch for your arguement, disabled people already told you to stfu as they destroyed sekiro.

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Barber102 posted...

quit thinking your entitled to a difficulty option. The people who have supported this series from the beginning loved it because it rewarded perseverance. Respect that this is how the developers want their games to be and quit crying because its not how you demand them to be. Struggle like everyone else and overcome.

stop defending poor game design decisions because its the only thing that makes you feel special in life bro

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WallStreetWolf posted...

The problem is your explaining tips and strategies, you're talking about things people are not going to know to immediately do upon starting the game

What do people who play video games do when they have trouble with a game they're playing? They look stuff up on the internet. So they'll find those tips and then start to have an easier time.

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The game might've never became as popular as it is if there was an easy mode.

What's the first thing people talk about with Souls games? That they're hard. If you give it an easy mode, you strip that away from it.

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Its not a poor game design choice, the difficulty is one of the things i love about the souls series the most, it reminds me of the old days when games were difficult. This doesnt make me special. But you people wanting easy modes need to wake the fuck up and realize it will never happen these games are for you gamers who need to be told where to go, have their hands held. These games are for those who enjoy struggle, enjoy using their brains to develop strategies to finally succeed where they were stuck.

instead every new fromsoftware game or this remake from bluepoint you guys whine every fucking time like shit birds. You guys need to stop, youre not the people these devs want playing their games.

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if they had difficulty settings for these games it would expose the artificial difficulty and the elitist fans would lose all self worth

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CapnMuffin posted...

Good.

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ThePopcornKing posted...

stop defending poor game design decisions because its the only thing that makes you feel special in life bro

Yeah... poor game design, that's exactly why almost every title they've put out has been extremely successful.

Yeah poor game design, that's exactly why it's one of the best medieval fantasy games of all time.

Yeah bad game design, that's exactly why George r Martin himself writer of one of the most successful fantasy novels of all time is doing a collaboration with them.

LMAO go home you're drunk @ThePopcornKing


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Though if you ask me if they are bringing in George r Martin to work on Elden Ring, I'm wondering if there will be more of a focus on narrative story telling.

If this is the case Elden Ring possibly could be the first game they actually have a difficulty setting in.

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so i think the want for an easy mode speaks to how vague some of the mechanics are. because as i pointed out before, there are already things in the game that serve as an easier mode -- seriously, in the first dark souls, level vit to 30 and you're good for the entire game. there's nothing in the game that really makes that suggestion to the player at any point, though.

but it isn't like you can have the crestfallen knight whine about how his HP isn't high enough to get through new londo, or about how he wasted so many levels in resistance. as part of its design philosophy, it lets you explore and it lets you make mistakes.

the invincible players i run into always have weak weapons. i just picture these long battles they can never lose as they whittle down everything.
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Error1355 posted...

As someone who doesn't enjoy being extremely frustrated at a game or dying over and over, I know that this game series just isn't for me.

*shrug*

@Error1355 Git gud

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Are a lot of people really upset over there not being an Easy Mode, or are they just cherry-picking the few that are complaining about something, and conflating it to appear be more people who share the sentiment than it actually is? As is usually the case.

I feel like most people would be more apathetic over a Souls game actually having an easier setting.

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Tbh these games would be boring as hell on an easy mode imo.

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Ps2Twilight posted...

@Error1355 Git gud

Rude.

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Never really got why is impossible to have an optional easy mode. Changes nothing for those who want to play the game as intended.

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These people should just watch a stream of the game.

Just start as a Royalty class. That's basically ez mode because you start with the op Soul Arrow spell that kills everything in the early to mid game. They also start with a regen MP ring so you can spam Soul Arrow and you can switch to melee when you get bored of owning monsters with magic.

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Funkydog posted...

Never really got why is impossible to have an optional easy mode.

Because how will I feel good about myself if I can't look down on people who can't beat DS?

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Funkydog posted...

Never really got why is impossible to have an optional easy mode. Changes nothing for those who want to play the game as intended.

only in gaming you have sus people screaming GIVE ME LESS OPTIONS

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I will say that this always gets them free marketing lol. I doubt the number of people that care outside of gaming pundits is pretty small, and those guys are always happy to make articles talking about the game close to release.

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People have beat Dark Souls using Dance Dance Revolution pads and you people with fully functional hands and brains using a controller want an easy mode? lel

Difficulty options would absolutely ruin the online of the games.

And just summon or look up a guide if you suck. Why is that so hard?

Comfy_Pillow posted...

Difficulty options would absolutely ruin the online of the games.

And just summon or look up a guide if you suck. Why is that so hard?

Just disable PvP if on easy mode then? Seems the obvious thing to do.

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