Poll of the Day > In what reality does Trump not win this election?

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Phantom_Nook posted...

I do. That's how I know hating gay people is still a core tenant of the party.

You do realize Trump's done stuff like launch a global effort to support LGBT rights internationally, right? I'm pretty sure he's the first president to openly support LGBT rights before election to. But remember, the Republicans outright worshiped people like Milo and he's far from the only example.

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Unbridled9 posted...

You do realize Trump's done stuff like launch a global effort to support LGBT rights internationally, right? I'm pretty sure he's the first president to openly support LGBT rights before election to. But remember, the Republicans outright worshiped people like Milo and he's far from the only example.

Okay but https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-controversial-transgender-military-policy-goes-effect-n993826

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Unbridled9 posted...

You do realize Trump's done stuff like launch a global effort to support LGBT rights internationally, right?

He did no such thing. An ambassador made that up, and Trump didn't know what it was when he got asked about it.
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Jen0125 posted...

Okay but https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-controversial-transgender-military-policy-goes-effect-n993826

Okay. And your point is?

Mine is that the Republican party has become much more open and accepting of the LGBT community since the days of bush. You're effectively complaining that they haven't fully embraced it yet. IRL I can't think of a single republican I've met who has actually hated homosexuals who wasn't also a bible-thumper. The fact is that the right isn't just bible-thumpers anymore and that's part of why the left can't understand them at all. Because they assume that they're a bunch of religious zealots living in the 1950's when that's just not the case.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Okay. And your point is?

Mine is that the Republican party has become much more open and accepting of the LGBT community since the days of bush. You're effectively complaining that they haven't fully embraced it yet. IRL I can't think of a single republican I've met who has actually hated homosexuals who wasn't also a bible-thumper. The fact is that the right isn't just bible-thumpers anymore and that's part of why the left can't understand them at all. Because they assume that they're a bunch of religious zealots living in the 1950's when that's just not the case.

But like, Pence exists man so therefore, everyone to the right of Bernie is a homophobe, didn't you get the memo?

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

But like, Pence exists man so therefore, everyone to the right of Bernie is a homophobe, didn't you get the memo?

Oh yes. But my dog ate it so I couldn't turn in my homophobia homework to Trump-sempai.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Oh yes. But my dog ate it so I couldn't turn in my homophobia homework to Trump-sempai.

Obviously your dog is a German Shepherd with 1940's views/s.

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Zeus posted...

Bernie Sanders would have been fucking curbstomped. The same Democrats who didn't want none of that in the primaries would either stay home or vote for Trump in the general elections.

Cue laugh track

Ignorant college students would have voted for Bernie. Choosing Biden only happened so they could sabotage their own party two elections in a row.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Obviously your dog is a German Shepherd with 1940's views/s.

Don't say that. Heinrich is a good boy and his desire to solve the feline problem is just a character quirk. Meanwhile all I can do is hope Trump-sempai will notice me despite my klutzy ways and my dog eating my homework.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Ummm... What on earth are you even talking about? It's the exact opposite. The right's remained solid and, if anything, has been moving left with it becoming far more accepting of homosexuality and other such things while the left is literally the party marching around screeching to end the police and demanding communism. The reason Trump won can be summarized in just one moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHJVE9trSM

Do I even need to say anything more? Hilary was completely out of touch with the average American and was willing to condemn them as all the worst things. The miracle isn't that she lost the election; the tragedy is that she still won the popular vote after that.

If all you think the left issues are is about BLM and gay rights you are correct but the left supports a lot more about what Bernie is saying and in other countries the Democratic party would be considered more right wing than their left party.

Take a look outside the USA bubble dude, if your only reference is Democrat vs. Republican in the USA then things look like that. When you look at countries like England, France etc... you start seeing the Democrats are nowhere near the far left.

Also the Republican party is approaching fascism and more authoritarian government and this is why I say they are moving right. Trump is the most fascist leader the USA has ever had period.

I'm sorry. Which party is it that's going around banning people for speech? Which party is engaging in censorship, history re-writes, and the like? Which party is going around and attacking and killing people for holding views they disagree with? Smashing up buildings that don't conform to their beliefs? You need to break out of the media bubble and actually listen to what the right is saying and doing. We are here with open arms, willing to invite everyone in, united in our belief of a great nation. The left is the ones going around rioting, forcing belief to party doctrine, railing against things such as science in the name of ideology, and imposing the fascistic belief system. Not the right. We're opposed to the nation that is literally imprisoning it's people in concentration camps, oppressing minorities, and stripping its people of rights, all while engaging in expansionistic territory grabs while the prior president basically ran to them with open arms.

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Unbridled9 posted...

We are here with open arms, willing to invite everyone in

as long as youre white and agree with conservative politics

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with white people blaming BLM for their hatred and reason they are voting for trump(again),its a landslide from here,biden has NO CHANCE!

DirtBasedSoap posted...

as long as youre white and agree with conservative politics

So long as you are a person. Skin color doesn't matter. In fact, if anything we want more PoC's since the idea of a person voting a certain way simply because of their ethnicity comes off as racist. And of course you have to agree with at least some of the ideas. If you don't I don't know why you'd be here regardless of if we wanted you or not. I mean, I don't think the democrat, libretarian, green, or any party anywhere else in the world is about to get people who don't at least agree with some of their politics.

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Republicans totally aren't racists. That's why, when a guy showed up who spent years spreading racist conspiracy theories about the first black President, they told him to take a hike.

Wait, my mistake. They made him President.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Republicans totally aren't racists. That's why, when a guy showed up who spent years spreading racist conspiracy theories about the first black President, they told him to take a hike.

Wait, my mistake. They made him President.

He still hasn't produced that Birth Certificate! I also will point out that a lot of white men were pissed that a black man was president and thus we got Trump. Quite possibly the whitest president we have ever had, a guy that claims to love minorities but he puts Mexican kids in cages, calls White Supremacists good people, and tried to ban all Muslims from entering the country no matter the method of entry. Oh to follow all that up he wants to erect a giant wall to keep out Mexicans but for some damn reason he doesn't care about that Northern border.

Monopoman posted...

a guy that claims to love minorities but he puts Mexican kids in cages, calls White Supremacists good people, and tried to ban all Muslims from entering the country no matter the method of entry. Oh to follow all that up he wants to erect a giant wall to keep out Mexicans but for some damn reason he doesn't care about that Northern border.

You've drank the kool my dude. Cages erected under obama, for people entering the country illegally, in an effort to fight human trafficking. He never said white supremacists were good people and in fact said the exact opposite, look it up, unless u want to remain willfully ignorant. He never banned all Muslims from entering, only a ban on a small list of specific countries. Where do u think that list came from? The US doesn't have the same problem with people entering illegally from Canada. Litterally nothing u said makes any sense.

Monopoman posted...

He still hasn't produced that Birth Certificate! I also will point out that a lot of white men were pissed that a black man was president and thus we got Trump. Quite possibly the whitest president we have ever had, a guy that claims to love minorities but he puts Mexican kids in cages, calls White Supremacists good people, and tried to ban all Muslims from entering the country no matter the method of entry. Oh to follow all that up he wants to erect a giant wall to keep out Mexicans but for some damn reason he doesn't care about that Northern border.

"Muslim is a race".
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this mike dude is more delusional than ohja

fuck, it probably is ohja

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likehelly posted...

this mike dude is more delusional than ohja

fuck, it probably is ohja

Mike is what happens when you get all your news from Facebook and Fox News. Also just to make a point the most common way for an illegal immigrant to get here these days is to fly in legally then overstay their welcome. They get a passport to come to America temporarily then just never go back. A big fucking wall will do fuck all to stop this period.

likehelly posted...

this mike dude is more delusional than ohja

fuck, it probably is ohja

Come on man. Give some specifics. What have I said that is factually inaccurate?

Monopoman posted...

The fact of the matter is the democratic party despite what the most right wing try to paint it as is a fairly middle of the line party. Bernie was too radical to ever win the nomination period, while the Democrats might be liberal in comparison to the Repub's looking at them in the grand scheme of things they are nowhere near as left as Bernie was.

So we have a party that continues to move further and further to the right in the Republican party, and one that leans slightly to the left for the most part in the Democratic party. I think people are getting too caught up in the most hardcore followers of candidates though, Bernie bros were nowhere near a large enough sector of people to win if they were they would have had him have a slam dunk nomination in the primaries.

The fact of the matter is that everything you said is bullshit. Like I said before, everybody knows the Democrats are left, except maybe people so far left that they're off the board. Keep in mind that HALF of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates supported a wealth tax, something too far left for almost all of Europe (and Warren's plan went farther than anything attempted in any European nation), and those were just some of the leftist platforms that would be controversial even in Europe. That shit doesn't just happen until the party is pretty fucking far left. Your tired bullshit claim needs a rest.

Likewise, the Republican party isn't terribly conservative. Keep in mind that the 2012 nominee was the former governor of MASSACHUSETTS ffs, who put in place numerous large-scale social welfare programs including universal healthcare. This was the so-called "conservative". The Republican party has relatively few fiscal conservatives and, just like Bernie (who wasn't really a Democrat anyway), the most extreme members of their party never make it through. That's why they put forward Trump in 2016 instead of Ted Cruz. While you could probably make an argument that Republicans overall have consistently moved to the left (because society in general has moved to the left), you can't make an argument that they've consistently moved to the right.

Monopoman posted...

I also think the biggest reason Trump won was because of Cambridge Analytica, they used extremely nefarious means to find out all they could about voters in key battleground states then bombarded them with bullshit to slowly convert them over time. A very interesting documentary that goes into great detail about the 2016 election and the rise of Cambridge Analytica is The Great Hack from 2019 I believe it is on Netflix it's a great documentary.

Cue laugh track. These shitty excuses are getting old.


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likehelly posted...

this mike dude is more delusional than ohja

fuck, it probably is ohja

it likely is, he probably used one of zeus' alts until his main is back, ok?

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ClarkDuke posted...

likehelly posted...
this mike dude is more delusional than ohja

f***, it probably is ohja
it likely is, he probably used one of zeus' alts until his main is back, ok?

This makes sense. They both post dumb shit.

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Likewise, the Republican party isn't terribly conservative. Keep in mind that the 2012 nominee was the former governor of MASSACHUSETTS ffs, who put in place numerous large-scale social welfare programs including universal healthcare. This was the so-called "conservative". The Republican party has relatively few fiscal conservatives and, just like Bernie (who wasn't really a Democrat anyway), the most extreme members of their party never make it through. That's why they put forward Trump in 2016 instead of Ted Cruz. While you could probably make an argument that Republicans overall have consistently moved to the left (because society in general has moved to the left), you can't make an argument that they've consistently moved to the right.

I would certainly argue that it has moved to the left. But, more to the point, I think what's happening is that the Republican party is in the process of re-birth. Trump's shaken up a lot of the old-timey politicians and policies and his general populist approach has been highly successful among the voter base. Combine that with the general toxicity and rapid-left movement of the democrats resulting in a lot of political homeless (which the right is doing their best to embrace) and the Republican party in power now simply isn't the same one in place in 2012. Regardless of if Trump wins or not the next four years are going to likely result in massive changes in the party simply from the leftward lurch of the Dems. What, exactly, the changes will be will depend on if Trump wins or not and on how the left reacts to the next four years, but 2024 will almost certainly see a bunch of candidates on the right who simply are not even remotely part of the 'old guard'. Considering the two most common names I've heard for a nomination are Kanye and Ivanka I won't be surprised if, in 2024, the Republican party has a PoC/female candidate in the slightest. Of course we're nowhere near that point and so much can change in the four years; but I will remain hopeful.

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I mean, what does Trump have to run on at this point?

He's gotten 200,000+ people killed with his botched Coronavirus response and has admitted he deliberately downplayed the virus in its early months; he's presiding over the worst racial strife since the Civil Rights era and has proved utterly incapable of stopping it (I find it endlessly hilarious that the Trump campaign is saying, "This is what will happen in Biden's America" while showing footage of what is happening - right now - in Trump's America); the economy is in tatters (when he promised to undo everything Obama had done, I guess he meant the economic recovery) and thanks to the deficit that ballooned under his watch, it's going to take years to recover.

And what's the upside? He stacked the judiciary with unqualified nominees, but even that is mostly attributable to Moscow Mitch refusing to do his job in the Obama years, thus ensuring that Trump would have a record number of vacancies left to fill; his tax law saw the 1% fill their pockets at the expense of everyone else, since it kneecapped the government's ability to bring in funds while delivering none of the promised economic benefits (indeed, the economy actually slowed slightly the first year that the tax law was in effect); the wall basically just consists of a bigger fence in areas that already had it and has been mired in scandal, all while having been shown up as ineffective thanks to drug cartels sawing through it with readily available power tools; his promise to restore manufacturing and resource jobs to America has gone nowhere, he sold out some of America's most reliable allies in the Middle East by abandoning the Kurds to be slaughtered, he still has yet to articulate a healthcare plan, nevermind getting Republicans onboard with it, he's publicly fellated dictators from Vladmir Putin to MBS to Xi Jinping to Rodrigo Duterte to Recep Erdogan... Oh, right, and he was caught soliciting a bribe from Ukraine in return for election interference and got his ass impeached as a result.

Trump has been an unmitigated disaster and the polls reflect that. Biden currently sits at a ~75% chance of victory and, barring some skulduggery from the Republicans, the election is his to lose at this point.

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hungrymike posted...

Cages erected under obama, for people entering the country illegally, in an effort to fight human trafficking.

Yet Trump was the one who used them to separate children from their families, something the Obama administration only did in cases where there was a reasonable suspicion that the child was being trafficked or abused.

hungrymike posted...

He never said white supremacists were good people and in fact said the exact opposite, look it up, unless u want to remain willfully ignorant.

Here's the exact quote:

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didnt put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

For reference, the rally in question was a bunch of guys carrying tiki torches, waving swastika flags, and screaming "Jews will not divide us". That was the group Trump was claiming had "very fine people" in it.

hungrymike posted...

He never banned all Muslims from entering, only a ban on a small list of specific countries. Where do u think that list came from?

Which ban? The ones that got slapped down by the courts for being discriminatory towards Muslims or the one that he actually managed to fine-tune enough to make it not look like a Muslim ban after having had his ass kicked in court a couple times?

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darkknight109 posted...

campaign is saying, "This is what will happen in Biden's America" while showing footage of what is happening - right now - in Trump's America)

gonna play devils advocate

all that stuff probably will continue on if biden is elected, there's no doubt about it

the difference is that biden will actually do something to get it to stop that isn't calling in the fucking national guard to abduct people.

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i thought trumps lackluster covid response would have opened the eyes of his worshipers

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Isn't Europe facing a crisis right now because they're letting in too many refugees and stuff unvetted? I heard it was pretty bad in Germany especially.

I think Trump is running scared on this one.

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Well he's already laid out plans to cry foul if he loses when he told people to vote twice knowing full well voting more than once is illegal but he also knows if someone does that and he ends up losing he can cry wolf by yelping about voter fraud.

The whole reason the post office was/is removing mailboxes and dismantling sorting machines is to prevent certain people (minorities) from voting via mail-in ballot. The mailboxes that have been removed were removed in predominantly Black neighborhoods so that tells you why it was being done because they want to minimize the ability of Black people to vote by mail just in case in-person voting doesn't happen.

This crap has been going on since the passage of the Voting Rights Acts in the 1960s because back then when the racist Southern Dems ruled Southern politics, they knew once Blacks in the South were allowed to vote, they knew Black people in the South would not vote for them and they knew they would lose that stranglehold they'd held on the South since the 19th century and the end of the Civil War and slavery and they did everything in their power to try to keep that from happening so when the VRA was passed, they knew they had find new ways to discourage Black people from voting via voter suppression.

When the Southern Strategy in the 1960s emerged due to Nixon urging disgruntled racist Southern Dems to join the GOP, that's right around the time the "New Jim Crow" emerged in which Blacks were being further maligned and targeted via crap like Nixon's phony "War On Drugs" which was never about getting drugs off the street because Nixon is on tape saying it was about targeting Black people and Vietnam War protesters by charging them with bogus drug crimes to get felony convictions which took away those people right to vote.

So voting and election fraud has a long ugly racist history whether anyone agrees or not.

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likehelly posted...

gonna play devils advocate

all that stuff probably will continue on if biden is elected, there's no doubt about it

the difference is that biden will actually do something to get it to stop that isn't calling in the fucking national guard to abduct people.

Oh, I'm not denying that for a second; the problems with prejudice and policing in the United States are both deep and widespread. Even if the political will was there, it's not a problem that is going to get solved overnight, regardless of who is in charge, and there are limits to how much the feds can do about a problem that has its tendrils in both state and local governments.

I just find the argument laughable, because Trump is implying that:
a) They need to elect him to prevent the country from becoming a dystopian hellscape under Joe Biden, despite the fact that all of the images they are using to depict this dystopian hellscape are coming from Trump's America;
and
b) Trump needs to be re-elected in order to fix the problem, instead of, y'know, fixing it right now instead.

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TheWorstPoster posted...

This reality, due to the fraud committed by mail-in ballots. Look at this for instance:

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2020/09/franklin-town-clerk-resigns-after-mail-in-ballots-for-massachusetts-primary-go-uncounted.html

it must be a weird lifestyle to have your entire worldview shaped by internet articles and forums since youve never had an outside education or employment.

Unbridled9 posted...

Likewise, the Republican party isn't terribly conservative. Keep in mind that the 2012 nominee was the former governor of MASSACHUSETTS ffs, who put in place numerous large-scale social welfare programs including universal healthcare. This was the so-called "conservative". The Republican party has relatively few fiscal conservatives and, just like Bernie (who wasn't really a Democrat anyway), the most extreme members of their party never make it through. That's why they put forward Trump in 2016 instead of Ted Cruz. While you could probably make an argument that Republicans overall have consistently moved to the left (because society in general has moved to the left), you can't make an argument that they've consistently moved to the right.

I would certainly argue that it has moved to the left. But, more to the point, I think what's happening is that the Republican party is in the process of re-birth. Trump's shaken up a lot of the old-timey politicians and policies and his general populist approach has been highly successful among the voter base. Combine that with the general toxicity and rapid-left movement of the democrats resulting in a lot of political homeless (which the right is doing their best to embrace) and the Republican party in power now simply isn't the same one in place in 2012. Regardless of if Trump wins or not the next four years are going to likely result in massive changes in the party simply from the leftward lurch of the Dems. What, exactly, the changes will be will depend on if Trump wins or not and on how the left reacts to the next four years, but 2024 will almost certainly see a bunch of candidates on the right who simply are not even remotely part of the 'old guard'. Considering the two most common names I've heard for a nomination are Kanye and Ivanka I won't be surprised if, in 2024, the Republican party has a PoC/female candidate in the slightest. Of course we're nowhere near that point and so much can change in the four years; but I will remain hopeful.

please, don't do drugs, ok?

Cacciato posted...

it must be a weird lifestyle to have your entire worldview shaped by internet articles and forums since youve never had an outside education or employment.

technically, he did a girls college homework for an entire semester, all in hopes she'd date him, ok? so, he's a cheater, too.

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