Poll of the Day > In what reality does Trump not win this election?

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At this point it's inevitable. I have seen literally nobody excited to vote for Joe Biden. Meanwhile, 20 cars with probably close to 60+ people in total just paraded down my street campaigning for Trump.

This reality, due to the fraud committed by mail-in ballots. Look at this for instance:

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2020/09/franklin-town-clerk-resigns-after-mail-in-ballots-for-massachusetts-primary-go-uncounted.html

The one with high voter turnout.

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The main one?

Him winning basically depends on people staying home.

Lots of people have an irrational hatred for trump. They seem to believe that he called white nationalist "fine people" and that he suggested injecting bleach; both of which are untrue. They blame him for the cages built under obama. The guy is no saint, but at least he hasn't started any new wars and has been brokering peace deals throughout the world, resulting in his nomination for a Nobel peace prize. Also the first step act is more criminal justice reform than joe 'super predator' biden was able to accomplish while he and obama were in the white house.

hungrymike posted...

Lots of people have an irrational hatred for trump. They seem to believe that he called white nationalist "fine people" and that he suggested injecting bleach; both of which are untrue. They blame him for the cages built under obama. The guy is no saint, but at least he hasn't started any new wars and has been brokering peace deals throughout the world, resulting in his nomination for a Nobel peace prize. Also the first step act is more criminal justice reform than joe 'super predator' biden was able to accomplish while he and obama were in the white house.

lol

Well see.

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trump has enthusiastic fans, but it doesn't mean they are as numerous as biden voters.

trump is behind in a lot of races he won in 2016

Either way you both lose on this one.

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Mead posted...

Well see.

This.

It's a tall order limiting an incumbent to one term. And while polls suggest Trump is struggling in areas he that won in the last election, we've witnessed how polls amount to dick, and that Trump doesn't need the popular vote if he can win the electoral college.

Truth is no asshole making predictions right now knows any more than anyone else. We'll know come election night.

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Far-Queue posted...

We'll know come election night.

I Doubt it. It will probably take longer than that and be highly contested.

BlackScythe0 posted...

lol

It must be a funny cause its true kinda thing.

hungrymike posted...

Lots of people have an irrational hatred for trump.

your first sentence was laughably wrong, so I'm not reading the rest.

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I find it funny when people act like every Trump voter is as enthusiastic and is in love with him as those that buy tons of Trump merchandise and will travel to see him at a rally.

Those people are an extremely small part of those that might vote for him, shit he is the first president to have a higher disapproval rating than approval rating throughout most of his presidential term. Overall it seems people don't like him and basing America off that less than 1% that love the dude is a joke.

Phantom_Nook posted...

your first sentence was laughably wrong, so I'm not reading the rest.

You should. You might learn something. When people hate trump based off of a false media spin it is irrational. I have seen many posters on this board parrot back the fine people and injecting bleach mis quotes. This is not to say there aren't rational reasons to dislike trump. I'm curious if u dislike him, and if so for what reason. I'm open to hearing your view point.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

I believe Trump is going to get reelected for one simple reason. It hasn't been conservatives thats been burning down cities for the past three months.

Right, they've just been burning down the world.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Say whatever smartass thing you want. You know I'm right.

Nah, a very large chunk of the most destructive are just criminals, and anarchists. Acting like the BLM movement is all about destroying thing is a fucking joke.

It's like claiming that MLK's group was also just trying to destroy property back when he was marching for black rights.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The main one?

Him winning basically depends on people staying home.

Conservatives aren't afraid of protests or viruses.

If we're talking about alternate realities then we need to clarify what we mean by Trump. Is an another reality's version of Trump considered the same person if he's know for his stylish hair instead of his unnatural complexion yet everything else about him matches up?

Then there are realities in which there isn't an election occurring. Or the ones where different quantum probabilities didn't lead to the formation of life on Earth.


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Monopoman posted...

It's like claiming that MLK's group was also just trying to destroy property back when he was marching for black rights.

they did that back then too

edit: i mean people accused the marches for black rights in the 60s of 'destroying' property.

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I mean, using your neighborhood or area as your basis doesn't mean much. Do you live in a generally red leaning area? If so it would make sense you see a lot of signs supporting Trump.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

they did that back then too

edit: i mean people accused the marches for black rights in the 60s of 'destroying' property.

Right because that is the default stance taken by those in power, especially those that want to belittle or destroy the movement. They ask for civility and what not because they either don't care about the movement or disagree with it.

hungrymike posted...

You should. You might learn something.

There's nothing to learn from the delusions of Trumpers, except what those delusions are.

I'm open to hearing your view point.

I'm sure you won't just cry "FAYK NOOZ" at everything like the other lemmings.
he's racist and emboldens racists , doesn't give a shit about anyone other than himself, his policies are garbage, he's a narcissistic liar, sucks up to dictators and despots, was a crook before and after taking office, steals taxpayer money for himself and his family, he royally fucked up the COVID response, and all that is off the top of my head. Now go ahead and bleet back "FAYK NOOZ" at everything like every other Trumper does.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

This reality, due to the fraud committed by mail-in ballots. Look at this for instance:

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2020/09/franklin-town-clerk-resigns-after-mail-in-ballots-for-massachusetts-primary-go-uncounted.html

3000 votes wasn't going to get that racist Indian dude any closer to a federal position.

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I'll be honest. I haven't heard a single person saying that they're excited to vote for Biden but plenty who would sooner vote for a machine that does nothing but punch them in the groin than vote for Trump. What we'll likely see is nothing unusual with the city centers voting dem and the rest voting rep. Since the cities have a much higher population I think there's a high chance we'll see another 'popular vote to the left, electoral to the right' split.

If I were to judge based on what I've seen on the street and voter enthusiasm I'd say it's a guaranteed Trump victory and I don't think either side will dispute that most Trump supporters would gladly give up a kidney for him while Biden voters, at BEST, care more about getting Trump out than Biden in. That may be their undoing since there may be plenty of people who simply can't muster up the will to vote for Biden even in a write-in. What's been going on with the protests/riots can really only hurt Biden since they're happening in city centers which were already going Biden anyways. If the dems lose even one state because of that it won't be worth it from a purely electoral viewpoint. The real issue will be getting the less-populated areas like suberbs and rural areas to vote since that's how the Republicans will flip stats or Dems lock them down.

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Conservatives aren't afraid of protests or viruses.

theyre terrified of antifa

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

And Antifa is terrified of teenagers of the CHOP Zone killings are anything to go by.

you would know, youre obsessed with antifa after all

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

And Antifa is terrified of teenagers if the CHOP Zone killings are anything to go by.

It's a great thing that Washington as a state in this election is irrelevant.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

There's nothing to learn from the delusions of Trumpers, except what those delusions are.

I'm sure you won't just cry "FAYK NOOZ" at everything like the other lemmings.
he's racist and emboldens racists ,

What actions or policies has he taken that are racist?
doesn't give a shit about anyone other than himself,
He cares for the American middle class. Thats why he has been so hard on china.

his policies are garbage,

Which ones?
he's a narcissistic liar,

Perhaps.
sucks up to dictators and despots,

He's being nominated for a noble peace prize for helping to broker peace deals with many nations.
was a crook before and after taking office, steals taxpayer money for himself and his family,

Possibly the only politician in history with a net worth less than when when he took office.
he royally fucked up the COVID response,

He stoped travel from China in Jan. An action that garnered a call of xenophobia from many. Would possibly have been much worse if he didn't. He worked with private industry to ensure we didn't have a lack of ventilators. There is of course things that could have been done better, but hindsight is 20 20

I'm sure you won't just cry "FAYK NOOZ" at everything like the other lemmings.

Well, let me ask you then. Let's say, hypothetically, that the media was fake news. They are far from having a squeaky clean track record after all and have lied about candidates before among ample amounts of other things. What would you need to see in order to feel that a story was, indeed, creating a false narrative about Trump? Like, let's say tomorrow you saw a headline on CNN saying 'Trump proclaims that people who like vanilla ice cream are the chosen race and those whom like chocolate are losers'; would you assume that the republicans are unjustified calling that fake news?

Conversely, those on the right, let's say you saw that story and found out it was linking to a tweet in which he says 'vanilla is the best ice cream. I like vanilla ice cream. Other flavors are loser flavors.' would you still call it fake news?

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hungrymike posted...

There is of course things that could have been done better

Yeah, like not downplay the virus while stealing supplies from states to sell back to them. Also noticed that you went back to that China ban bit even though people still travelled from China to America after the "ban."
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Trump probably has an edge still, but there's no guarantee.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted... At this point it's inevitable.

idk, man, "inevitable" is overrated.



BlackScythe0 posted...

The main one?

Him winning basically depends on people staying home.

Cue laugh track.

funkyfritter posted...

The one with high voter turnout.

Meanwhile the media has been consistently suggesting that higher turnout doesn't favor either candidate.

Far-Queue posted...

It's a tall order limiting an incumbent to one term. And while polls suggest Trump is struggling in areas he that won in the last election, we've witnessed how polls amount to dick, and that Trump doesn't need the popular vote if he can win the electoral college.

Nobody needs the popular vote. The presidency was never and has never been decided by the popular vote.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

Right, they've just been burning down the world.

Cue laugh track.

Monopoman posted...

Nah, a very large chunk of the most destructive are just criminals, and anarchists. Acting like the BLM movement is all about destroying thing is a fucking joke.

You mean an anti-police movement attracts a lot of criminals and anarchists?! Who could have seen that coming?

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The reality where the Democrats are smart enough to let Bernie Sanders win the nomination THEN obstruct him while he's president.

Anyone who thinks the drooling idiot who isn't even campaigning can succeed where Hillary Fucking Clinton failed, against a non-incumbent Trump who wasn't rigging the election in his favor, is beyond delusional. Biden is perhaps the worst major party nominee in the entire country's history.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Him winning basically depends on people staying home.

And stay home they will. There's a pandemic and they have this stupid idea that only the presidential election matters when in reality, local elections matter even more. So they won't even vote in those because Biden is such a shitty candidate they will feel sick to their stomach at the thought of voting for. (And for good reason. He is an irredeemable sack of shit. He was buddies with Strom Thurmond, voted against desegregation and gay rights, voted for the Iraq War, supported the crime bills that led to the protests and even drafted one himself in 1994, etc.)

And the best part is, they don't even have to vote for Biden. If Democrats can take the Senate they can remove Trump anyway. The attempt after the impeachment only failed because the Republicans controlled the Senate. But if we vote those fuckers out.....

But it won't happen. People aren't stressing the importance of local elections enough.

hungrymike posted...

They seem to believe that he called white nationalist "fine people" and that he suggested injecting bleach; both of which are untrue.

By which you mean they're completely fucking true and we have it on video.

Yes, I will grant you that in the full transcript of the speech over the Charlottesville rally, he DID drop a line condemning Neo-Nazis before his "very fine people on both sides" line. But the reason it doesn't count because one of those sides was 100% white supremacist. He DID call white supremacists very fine people because it was a very black and white issue. One side was good. The other side was pure evil. To say there were very fine people in the pure evil side is to say Nazis are very fine people.

He flat out said the thing about bleach. No way to spin that one.
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PyroBlade1985 posted...

And you're obsessed with me Pops.

I aint the one trying to come up with a cutsie nickname

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Endgame posted...

The reality where the Democrats are smart enough to let Bernie Sanders win the nomination THEN obstruct him while he's president.

Bernie Sanders would have been fucking curbstomped. The same Democrats who didn't want none of that in the primaries would either stay home or vote for Trump in the general elections.

Endgame posted...

Biden is perhaps the worst major party nominee in the entire country's history.

Cue laugh track

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hungrymike posted...

Lots of people have an irrational hatred for trump. They seem to believe that he called white nationalist "fine people" and that he suggested injecting bleach; both of which are untrue. They blame him for the cages built under obama. The guy is no saint, but at least he hasn't started any new wars and has been brokering peace deals throughout the world, resulting in his nomination for a Nobel peace prize. Also the first step act is more criminal justice reform than joe 'super predator' biden was able to accomplish while he and obama were in the white house.

lmao dude what

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The fact of the matter is the democratic party despite what the most right wing try to paint it as is a fairly middle of the line party. Bernie was too radical to ever win the nomination period, while the Democrats might be liberal in comparison to the Repub's looking at them in the grand scheme of things they are nowhere near as left as Bernie was.

So we have a party that continues to move further and further to the right in the Republican party, and one that leans slightly to the left for the most part in the Democratic party. I think people are getting too caught up in the most hardcore followers of candidates though, Bernie bros were nowhere near a large enough sector of people to win if they were they would have had him have a slam dunk nomination in the primaries.

I also think the biggest reason Trump won was because of Cambridge Analytica, they used extremely nefarious means to find out all they could about voters in key battleground states then bombarded them with bullshit to slowly convert them over time. A very interesting documentary that goes into great detail about the 2016 election and the rise of Cambridge Analytica is The Great Hack from 2019 I believe it is on Netflix it's a great documentary.

Everytime the Dems lose, they do a post-mortem, draw many of the correct conclusions, and then immediately forget it and double down on doing exactly what they did last time.

They have only themselves to blame.

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Monopoman posted...

The fact of the matter is the democratic party despite what the most right wing try to paint it as is a fairly middle of the line party. Bernie was too radical to ever win the nomination period, while the Democrats might be liberal in comparison to the Repub's looking at them in the grand scheme of things they are nowhere near as left as Bernie was.

So we have a party that continues to move further and further to the right in the Republican party, and one that leans slightly to the left for the most part in the Democratic party. I think people are getting too caught up in the most hardcore followers of candidates though, Bernie bros were nowhere near a large enough sector of people to win if they were they would have had him have a slam dunk nomination in the primaries.

I also think the biggest reason Trump won was because of Cambridge Analytica, they used extremely nefarious means to find out all they could about voters in key battleground states then bombarded them with bullshit to slowly convert them over time. A very interesting documentary that goes into great detail about the 2016 election and the rise of Cambridge Analytica is The Great Hack from 2019 I believe it is on Netflix it's a great documentary.

Ummm... What on earth are you even talking about? It's the exact opposite. The right's remained solid and, if anything, has been moving left with it becoming far more accepting of homosexuality and other such things while the left is literally the party marching around screeching to end the police and demanding communism. The reason Trump won can be summarized in just one moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHJVE9trSM

Do I even need to say anything more? Hilary was completely out of touch with the average American and was willing to condemn them as all the worst things. The miracle isn't that she lost the election; the tragedy is that she still won the popular vote after that.

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Unbridled9 posted...

The right's ... becoming far more accepting of homosexuality

I guess you missed a few months ago when Republicans threw a fit when the Supreme Court said gay people were protected by the Civil Rights Act.

the left is literally the party marching around screeching to end the police and demanding communism.

lol wut
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I guess you missed a few months ago when Republicans threw a fit when the Supreme Court said gay people were protected by the Civil Rights Act.

I don't recall saying that they were perfect, but if you paid attention to the party and the people in it... turns out most of them who are not part of the religious part are fairly okay with homosexuality.

lol wut

BLM and ANTIFA. That's... like... literally their main respective demands.

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yeah im a conservative

i conserve water by pissing in the shower

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Unbridled9 posted...

if you paid attention to the party and the people in it...

I do. That's how I know hating gay people is still a core tenant of the party.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

I do. That's how I know hating gay people is still a core tenant of the party.

yep

social media is full of folks that get outraged if they see a pride flag or a couple guys holding hands

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

In what reality does Trump not win this election?

ours? he only barely won in a situation where he was a novelty and his opponent was despised by almost everyone. now he's despised by almost everyone. almost guaranteed to lose.


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