Current Events > A person wrote racist comments with their company name on their profile

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RebelElite791 posted...

The people upset about this are telling on themselves

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I am trying to figure out how why waste money on people who dont want to work is a racist statement.

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krazychao5 posted...

I am trying to figure out how why waste money on people who dont want to work is a racist statement.

Yeah nothing racist about stereotyping an entire group of people as lazy based on their ethnicity

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They're not telling on themselves IMO, they were never even trying to hide it. It's 2020. We're on CE. We've been through every permutation of every possible racist thread at this point. We can easily extrapolate a racist poster's views based on one post of theirs in a race thread. Just like racists can infer if someone is a normal person based on a post of theirs in a race thread.

They literally just like watching us get mad at them for being racist.

RebelElite791 posted...

Yeah nothing racist about stereotyping an entire group of people as lazy based on their ethnicity

is this sarcasm? is there more context to the quote in question, cause TC in the OP did not elaborate any more on it. Just that was a status update, with no picture, or anything.

So again, how is it racist if it is not describing any particular person or race?

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krazychao5 posted...

So again, how is it racist if it is not describing any particular person or race?

a sponsored post came up about Aboriginal employment

Do you need more help following along, or does that do it?

Tenlaar posted...

You're trying to use "I just intentionally post offensive things to troll people for the lulz" like it is some kind of defense rather than just an admission of being a shit person.

I don't immediately recall ever saying I wasn't a shitty person. Its an antique message board, why would I care or think I need to defend myself?

Lysandear posted...

@Esrac what is the point of coming here for years and taking soft/passive racist stances, only to occasionally say that you dont seriously think those things? what's the point? it's fun pretending to be racist?

Sometimes, I guess. There really isn't a point, beyond it just being another thing to do to waste empty time.

Like I said, I mostly still post here out of familiarity and boredom and I mostly post what I feel like would be moderately entertaining at the time.

Guide posted...

This is some pretty direct and earnest stuff. I perhaps should ease up, then. But know that, like, your defenses involving this sort of "political thing" have consistently been for bigotry, and for people who remember things, that builds up. It's not like I'm keeping a spreadsheet, I think someone here actually is, but people remember things. I screencap the really bad stuff. You're not in any screencaps.

Does someone here actually have a spreadsheet tracking posters? That sounds hilarious and sad. I'd like to see it just for the novelty of peeking into the mind of what I can only assume is a crazy person.

I don't have enough motivation anymore to remember what most other posters here say. No offense, man, but aside from this topic, I don't remember if you and I have ever had a direct exchange before, because I usually don't pay much attention to usernames anymore. After so long, they just kind of blend together. Maybe some of them care enough to remember my posts better than I do, but the idea of actually tracking what other anonymous people say online sounds exhausting.

I mean, I'm not saying everything I post is a total lie. Half-truths are still half-true and my honest political positions are so sporadically placed all over the map that I feel so alienated from the two parties that I haven't bothered to vote since John Kerry ran for president.

I will say though, for what its worth, I apologize for the "petty and vindictive" jab. It was uncivil of me.

I don't expect I'll do an about-face today regarding being a bit of a shitposter, but I have recently been trying, in real life, to pull against a deep-seated sense of nihilism, into which I frequently relapse.

No, you did the right thing. This is what everyone should do when they spot a racist.

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You have 0 business doing that kind of work while holding those views.

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Conflict posted...

The post literally suggests that Aboriginal people are lazy and don't want to work. What are you confused about

Thought it was a company

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krazychao5 posted...

Thought it was a company

No you didn't. Stop lying

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Conflict posted...

This is a funny question because you represent the company that employs you regardless if you 'act' or not

His actions? TC isn't the one who posted racist shit for people to report to his employer. Don't make racist comments publicly and there's nothing to report to result in your termination.

You're attributing blame to the wrong person

Don't you see the bullshit game you are playing though

If I can say what you said was = bigoted
Then literally anything that happens to you is fine.

Who cares if a "bigot" is made to suffer

The are an less than human.

Ok, so let's say we play from that premise, how 100% sure are you that your "bigot" detector is flawless, that maybe just maybe 1 of the 100 people you get off on burning and watching their suffering is a compassionate person who simply mispoke?

The point is these mobs don't actually care, it is just a mechanism for finding an "evil other" and then getting off of them suffering.

Seriously the way people talk about others as "filthy bigots who deserve to suffer" is scarily similar to things like actual bigots talking about "filthy jews who deserve to suffer".

If you are fine doing basically any cruel shit you want to a person once you identify them as a "bigot" you better be 100% sure they are before you treat them as such, and none of these mobs give a fuck enough to do so.

It is insane to say "maybe 10 words on social media don't fully confirm a person's human value as worthless" as the "bigoted" stance to take.

Let's be real. This is all about outrage mobs getting off on getting people canceled, it really doesn't give a fuck about the truth of what anybody says or if it's fair or helpful. It's a stupid flex of wokeness and you all somehow think that's impressive.

Literally anybody could do that. I could do that to TC and everybody who defends them. Because it's not about character or intention it's about bullying and picking the worst moment and characterizing it as "obviously bigoted", and the world has become so stupid that we can't see this.

Seriously, seriously, seriously... anybody in this topic who defends these actions are you 100% sure there isn't a quote you have made in your entire history online that i couldn't take and say is "obviously bigoted"? Even if in context it's not, even if it's satire, even if 1000 excuses, are you 100% you have not a single entry on internet record that somebody could quote and call "obviously bigoted", because if you aren't 100% sure, then you might want to open your brain to the idea of context, to the idea of measure, to the idea of "I don't literally get to treat a person as subhuman over 10 words".

It is profoundly moronic that anybody can't conceive that reducing a person's entire identity to 10 words, and then getting off on the suffering of the reductionist identity is fucked up and dumb. But yet her we are.

In before "I guess you like defending bigots", You know what? I like defending "bigots" because most "bigots" are fucking human beings who just said shit you didn't like.

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Prestoff posted...

This, I'm so sick of cancel culture.

But people being openly racist and being dumb enough to associate their shitty views with their place of emoloyment is ok?

weird take

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Conflict posted...

I decided to read the rest of your post and I see that's not what you were saying (I was partially too lazy to read it) but the point you're making really falls flat

A lot of it is stuff you're weirdly misinterpreting or inserting into the situation yourself when nobody even implied it

But if you're an employee, and notably one that works in service, you should probably know first-hand that people wouldn't feel comfortable being serviced by someone who says racist shit. I wouldn't feel comfortable being approached by a racist cop, being operated by a racist doctor, etc. So yeah, you saying something racist on social media and getting reported and penalized for it is an absolute fair, next. You think it's all about "wanting to watch someone suffer", that's just your weird projection. Actions have consequences and whatever happens to your personal life from that point on is your own fault. You're not obligated to get a pass on doing shitty things because your life -might- be ruined. You can choose to learn from it, and try to actually improve as a person

And the "are you sure you don't have any quotes that someone could consider bigoted" is such a moot point. Someone making a dumb tweet when they were 14 years old, that they could easily delete is not comparable to someone actively posting offensive shit now, after they began employment with the company. One situation has potential for growth and improvement. The other does not. And if I were you, I'd stop choosing 'defending the poor racist against uncomfortable people' as a hill to die on.

That's the game though isn't it? If you can label somebody a racist nobody can challenge you on 1. Them being a racist or 2. That they don't deserve whatever punishment is available.

Here's a hot take: Twitter mobs are not good arbiters of who is and isn't actually legitimately bigoted humans.

Yet we act like they are. The group decides somebody is a bigot and if you challenge that all, you are defending bigotry, even though these people have not displayed prudence, discipline, or scientific method.

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You did the right thing,

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I know I'm supposed to take to OP quote as objective truth of reality, but here's the deal, I doubt those 10 words confirm that the person saying it is objectively "a bigot". He might be, but 10 words is not anywhere close to proof that he is. So we have to work from 2 things; 1. Are we sure they are "a bigot" and 2. Are we fine having "bigots" suffer as much as possible?

Literal murders can get released from prison. Society can fucking forgive MURDER, yet the game of "they are a bigot" is final and forever. Never can a "bigot" be redeemed or ok. They deserve to surfer ad infinitum, because, why not? WhO DeFeNdS BiGoTs?

Saying "bigoted" shit online is not a crime and anybody who gets off on determining the entire breadth of somebody's moral character over 10 words and then trying to punish them over it is a selfish, pathetic, insecure, weak fucking measle of a person.

Get a hobby, get a life, get anything that makes it so your only form of self validation isn't the destruction of others, because honestly it is insanely pathetic.

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Can't believe he actually compared bigots being fired to jewish people being killed.
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Wow you marked him real life lol

that joe due is an absolute loon

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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

You did the right thing. Aboriginal people shouldnt be treated that way.

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cmon guys why do people figure out not to say dumb shit on your personal social media accounts associated with your real life self. let alone having your work details linked to that shit

Why do people act like what you do outside of work is completely immune to consequences? If you bump into upper management outside of work it doesnt make it ok to roast or punch the mf'er cos you arent at work and expect no consequences.

just because you are out of work doesnt mean you shouldnt have some tact about stuff you do in a public space

Joe, save your energy going to bat for people who deserve it.

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Conflict posted...

This is more dumb shit that's predicated on your projection

Society doesn't forgive murderers. Them getting released from prison =/= society "forgiving them". And why you're bringing this up when it has zero relevance to anything is baffling

No one said it was a crime, which is why they're not getting arrested, and people aren't calling for them to get arrested. Your actions still have consequences. If you can't handle the notion that publicly posting something indisputably racist about a group of people may have negative consequences... then that's extremely suspect.

Ok, when do you forgive him?

If the sentence for murder is a certain thing, what is the sentence for posting something "undisputably racist".

Do you think in 5 years such a bigot shouldn't be fired from a job?

If his landlord wants to evict him for being a bigot is that not justified?

What is the threshold of this person's suffering over 10 words out of any context of them or life where you'd say "ok that's fair?".

Let's say somebody hired a person to chop off his arm, would that be ok? He is a "bigot" after all, so who the fuck cares if he has limbs. Bigots don't deserve to have arms.

Here is the literal question:
For the 10 words this person posted on social media, what would be sufficient suffering for them to endure for you to think "ok, that is a fair exchange"?

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For the 10 words this person posted on social media, what would be sufficient suffering for them to endure for you to think "ok, that is a fair exchange"?

Everybody defending this person getting fired please answer this question.

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TC sounds like a jobless busybody who has nothing better to do. Equality by making someone as miserable as you eh.

Did the guy get fired for being racist yet? Because that's what should happened to racists. I know we've forgotten that, what was all the bozos trying to say otherwise, but it's important to remember.

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joe40001 posted...

For the 10 words this person posted on social media, what would be sufficient suffering for them to endure for you to think "ok, that is a fair exchange"?

Everybody defending this person getting fired please answer this question.

I haven't weighed in on this thread so far, but I feel given the person's job is to help a certain group that he then calls lazy and unmotivated, it's fair. If a cardiac surgeon posted "all black people weigh too much and don't care about their bodies" I wouldn't want him/her operating on a black person.

CarrieChan posted...

TC sounds like a jobless busybody who has nothing better to do. Equality by making someone as miserable as you eh.

So if somebody makes comments about my race, I should.. just let it slide?

Ruvan22 posted...

So if somebody makes comments about my race, I should.. just let it slide?

Go cry to the mods if you want.

CarrieChan posted...

Go cry to the mods if you want.

Are you saying the moderation system in unfair?

Ruvan22 posted...

Are you saying the moderation system in unfair?

Ideally the mods are independent and objective, but that can be up to the individual mod handling the mark. All you can do is mark it and shut up.

EvolutionUber posted...

Have I gone too far?

Yeah, that's kinda skeevy.

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CarrieChan posted...

Ideally the mods are independent and objective, but that can be up to the individual mod handling the mark. All you can do is mark it and shut up.

Interestingly, people during the Civil Rights era found they could in fact do a lot more than that...and they didn't "shut up"

Conflict posted...

When they own up to what they did and actually make efforts to become a better person.

Like literally everyone else in the world would.

Do you think these people are owed forgiveness and leniency for being racist because they didn't commit a crime? Cause that's a hella immature way of looking at it.

Also, stop trying to compare this to murderers and murder sentences. It didn't make any sense the first time you did it, and it doesn't make sense now. You're trying extremely hard to absolve racists of responsibility for their actions and it's extremely infantile.

Nobody's going to answer that question because it's dumb and childish. Wanting someone to be held accountable for their actions is not "wanting them to suffer". Grow up.

So like if his next post was "hey guys, sorry I mispoke, I didn't mean what I said and how it came out" you'd go "ok cool, all is good"

You are bristling because I'm calling you out on the bullshit of your rules. We know if he did that you'd say some "oh, he probably doesn't mean it", or "why should we accept the apology of a bigot".

But prove me wrong, are you legitimately saying, if he said "the last post I said was wrong and I retract it" you'd 100% forgive him and think he should no longer be fired or punished in any way?

We know the answer, you wouldn't forgive him, I know this because the mobs that do this never look at posts before or after, they don't care, they get off on punishing "bigots" not because they care about actual tolerance on the world, but because it's the one group of people you are allow to get off on hurting and nobody challenges you on it.

Tell me, if you are so 100% confident this all would be rectified with an apology, did you even look if he apologized?

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Joe, I think you're wrong about Conflict.

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nfearurspecimn posted...

Joe, I think you're wrong about Conflict.

Anybody who defends infinite abuse to "bigots" is being dumb and should be called out on it.

Context matters, reality matters, anybody who gets off on othering somebody and then being shit to them because they are an "inferior other" is not acting in responsible good faith.

Again, twitter mobs are shitty arbiters of bigotry. And if we are more or less ok with any punishment to bigots then we better be damn sure that somebody is a bigot before treating them as such.

The fact is people who would condemn somebody for bigotry literally have no cap on the level of suffering that person should feel. If they are labeled a "bigot" then it doesn't matter what happens to them. This is not pragmatic. Our justice system is literally more tolerant towards murderers than our social justice system is tolerant to people who misspeak.

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Ruvan22 posted...

I haven't weighed in on this thread so far, but I feel given the person's job is to help a certain group that he then calls lazy and unmotivated, it's fair. If a cardiac surgeon posted "all black people weigh too much and don't care about their bodies" I wouldn't want him/her operating on a black person.

But did the person say they don't care?

They had interactions that frustrated them about a certain group, they are not saying they don't want to help the group as much as possible.

If somebody is saying "I am going to be less effective at my job for X demographic" and they stand by that statement then yeah, firing them is fine.

I think much more likely here is somebody saying some bullshit online, and people out of context deciding it defines the person.

Here's my olive branch to the haters:
If somebody legitimately is worse at their job towards anybody because of their prejudices, the employers are in their right to fire them and replace them with a better employee, because intolerance is bad.

I simply don't think most twitter mobs and these type of people actually target intolerance but rather people who say something that is sufficient to punish.

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joe40001 posted...

Anybody who defends infinite abuse to "bigots" is being dumb and should be called out on it.

He didn't say anything about infinite punishment. "When they own up to what they did and actually make efforts to become a better person." It's right there in the post you quoted.

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Numenor posted...

There is a distinct difference between posting a personal thought online, and violating company policy by discussing compensation.

Isn't posting flagrantly racist shit on social media against most companies policies? I actually read my company's social media policy and it's one of the things explicitly mentioned I'm not allowed to do next to make official statements without legal approval or talk shit about our competitors.

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LightningAce11 posted...

It's a weird thing, because people always say to debate racists, but if you say they should be re educated, taught why their beliefs are wrong and learn to be better, you get accusations of "wrongthink".

joe40001 posted...

Was he acting as a representative of the company while saying these things?

If no, then no you shouldn't try to get people fired for wrongthink.

Right on fucking cue. Smh

EvolutionUber posted...

So today I was browsing Facebook and a sponsored post came up about Aboriginal employment (I am an Aboriginal man). When clicking on the post a man posted why waste money on people who dont want to work, so I clicked on his profile and he stated that he worked as a disability support worker.

I took screen shots of his post and his profile where it states what company he works for and emailed it to his company. I have basically asked his company if he truly represents them, what they are going to do about it and how some re-education workshop is not enough and told them if I dont receive an adequate response by COB I will post the email on their review pages.

Have I gone too far?

So you're a little bitch then? Who cares what other people say or do and if it offends you oh the fuck well, get thicker skin.


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bloodyarts posted...

Right on fucking cue. Smh

Debate him by all means.

Honestly I love that kinda shit.

I hate when we go "I assume this is a trash person so I'm happy if they are never employed, become homeless and suffer indefinitely"

When somebody says dumb shit the first response should be "hey, you just said dumb shit, here is why what you said is dumb" and then they can either defend their statements or learn.

The idea that anybody thinks "you said something dumb, I'm not even going to talk to you but try to shut down your ability to have a roof over your head or pay for food because that's a good first step" is offensively moronic and evil.

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