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EvolutionUber 08/13/20 8:59:11 PM #1: |
So today I was browsing Facebook and a sponsored post came up about Aboriginal employment (I am an Aboriginal man). When clicking on the post a man posted why waste money on people who dont want to work, so I clicked on his profile and he stated that he worked as a disability support worker.
I took screen shots of his post and his profile where it states what company he works for and emailed it to his company. I have basically asked his company if he truly represents them, what they are going to do about it and how some re-education workshop is not enough and told them if I dont receive an adequate response by COB I will post the email on their review pages. Have I gone too far? --- 3DS friend code: 5370 1709 3194 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bishop9800 08/13/20 9:00:17 PM #2: |
no
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WashYourHands 08/13/20 9:00:35 PM #3: |
Karen?
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:01:09 PM #4: |
Destroying a person's livelihood is a really dick thing to do. Shame them on whatever media platform you want, but going after their job crosses a line.
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LightningAce11 08/13/20 9:03:29 PM #5: |
This person could very well have let his biases seep into his job and hurt vulnerable people.
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EvolutionUber 08/13/20 9:04:41 PM #6: |
Numenor posted...
Destroying a person's livelihood is a really dick thing to do. Shame them on whatever media platform you want, but going after their job crosses a line. My concern is also with their clients. If they are going to be openly racist on Facebook how will they treat their disabled clients when they are alone? What is they got a disabled Aboriginal person as a client? --- 3DS friend code: 5370 1709 3194 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RavingShark 08/13/20 9:05:19 PM #7: |
LightningAce11 posted...
This person could very well have let his biases seep into his job and hurt vulnerable people.this. you did the right thing. find a racist break them down --- "Here's to feeling good all the time." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 08/13/20 9:05:41 PM #8: |
Numenor posted...
Destroying a person's livelihood is a really dick thing to do. Shame them on whatever media platform you want, but going after their job crosses a line. Probably shouldn't be racist if you want to keep a job. @EvolutionUber Get it on social media. Share that shit. Who knows how many problems this guy has caused Aboriginals. Imgur screencaps, since you probably can't upload it on gamefaqs. I wanna see. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 08/13/20 9:07:45 PM #10: |
Numenor posted...
Destroying a person's livelihood is a really dick thing to do. Shame them on whatever media platform you want, but going after their job crosses a line. This, I'm so sick of cancel culture. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ox0shadow0xo 08/13/20 9:10:21 PM #11: |
Is it his personal account that happens to have his company name in it? As in:
John Smith Works at Company A Or is it actually a profile for the company? Like seeing Nintendo of America as the person's name? If it's the former, yeah you're going too far. But that's part of the times, I guess. People get fired for things on social media all the time and it rarely has to do with their actual job. I think it's stupid how much influence social media has now. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z270-A | i7-7700K | GTX 1080 | 32GB DDR4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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harley2280 08/13/20 9:13:11 PM #12: |
ox0shadow0xo posted...
Is it his personal account that happens to have his company name in it? As in: Almost every company has a policy that says don't post stupid shit on social media though. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 08/13/20 9:15:04 PM #14: |
ox0shadow0xo posted...
Is it his personal account that happens to have his company name in it? As in: Yes, defend the racists. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:15:13 PM #15: |
EvolutionUber posted...
My concern is also with their clients. If they are going to be openly racist on Facebook how will they treat their disabled clients when they are alone? What is they got a disabled Aboriginal person as a client? How about you let their HR department handle any complaints customers of that man have, instead of poking your nose into something that doesn't involve you at all? This Cancel Culture which has developed is dangerous and antithetical to American society and tradition. It is solely meant to silence any thoughts/expressions/voices which do not agree with the complainer. People are allowed to debate, have different views, and yes... even be racist to others. That is what Freedom of Speech protects. Dislike what they said.... respond to them directly. Call them out on their timeline. Challenge their beliefs with yours. You have no proof they act in any racist/unprofessional way when at work. If that surfaces at their place of employment it is thier employer who needs to deal with it, not you. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Timohtep 08/13/20 9:16:07 PM #16: |
I used to think that that shit was going too far, but I have since realized that these people need to know that this type of behavior and rhetoric is not socially acceptable, and that you shouldn't be free of the consequences. Talk shit, get hit, so to speak. If society thinks that you're being a shithead, it has the right to shame you. That's how public opinion works.
Especially someone who works as a "disability support worker". That kind of bias absolutely cannot be present in such a field. Obviously there is some nuance to every situation, but in general I no longer feel bad for racists getting outed to their employers these days --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CableZL 08/13/20 9:16:17 PM #17: |
Numenor posted...
Thos Cancel Culture which has developed is dangerous and antithetical to American society and tradition.I'm not so sure about that. Racists have been trying to cancel people in this country for centuries. This is just a modern adaptation. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 08/13/20 9:18:57 PM #18: |
Numenor posted...
Destroying a person's livelihood is a really dick thing to do. Shame them on whatever media platform you want, but going after their job crosses a line.Yeah, people should only be fired for reasonable things, like asking how much other people in the same company make! --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198312621819/#sort=order ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:20:38 PM #20: |
Garioshi posted...
Yeah, people should only be fired for reasonable things, like asking how much other people in the same company make! There is a distinct difference between posting a personal thought online, and violating company policy by discussing compensation. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 08/13/20 9:21:32 PM #22: |
Numenor posted...
This Cancel Culture which has developed is dangerous and antithetical to American society and tradition. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198312621819/#sort=order ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 08/13/20 9:21:34 PM #23: |
Bishop9800 posted...
no you haven't --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- "the final thing that set the mods off was a picture of two lions having sex." -boxington ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvolutionUber 08/13/20 9:21:48 PM #24: |
So to make it clear for everyone when I click on his Facebook profile it has all the general details and then it list the company he works for and has a link to this Facebook page.
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:22:50 PM #25: |
CrimsonRage posted...
holding people accountable isn't cancel culture When you go beyond debating them, shaming them, and ignoring them, to where you actively attempt to cause them to be fired etc.... Yes! That is EXACTLY what cancel culture is. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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harley2280 08/13/20 9:23:10 PM #26: |
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Numenor posted...Thos Cancel Culture which has developed is dangerous and antithetical to American society and tradition. It is solely meant to silence any thoughts/expressions/voices which do not agree with the complainer. People are allowed to debate, have different views, and yes... even be racist to others. That is what Freedom of Speech protects. Also he's completely wrong about what free speech is. Free Speech only applies to the government. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 08/13/20 9:23:11 PM #27: |
Timohtep posted...
I used to think that that shit was going too far, but I have since realized that these people need to know that this type of behavior and rhetoric is not socially acceptable, and that you shouldn't be free of the consequences. Talk shit, get hit, so to speak. If society thinks that you're being a shithead, it has the right to shame you. That's how public opinion works.This its very easy to not be racist on social media people who choose to do that should face consequences --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 08/13/20 9:24:55 PM #28: |
Numenor posted...
How about you let their HR department handle any complaints customers of that man have, instead of poking your nose into something that doesn't involve you at all? People are allowed to tell companies about the racists that work for them. That is also what Freedom of Speech protects. It's hypocritical to say that it protects what you listed while denying the other things it protects
You're not making any sense. He has every legal right to bring it up. It's Freedom of Speech, after all. You are allowed to say what you want, and the government is not supposed to silence you, as per the First Amendment. You are not exempt from the consequences of what you say. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3PiesAndAFork 08/13/20 9:25:26 PM #29: |
Good. Please post an update. Sick of all these people defending racists. If you say stupid shit then you'd better deal with the consequences.
Numenor posted... How about you let their HR department handle any complaints customers of that man have, instead of poking your nose into something that doesn't involve you at all? I'm sick of people thinking freedom of speech means "I can be a racist asshole with no consequences". The only thing it protects is your right to say what you want without the government getting involved. You employer can absolutely fire your ass. --- "I could care less" means you care right now. The proper phrase is "I couldn't care less." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 08/13/20 9:26:07 PM #30: |
Classic 2003, 6000-karma account defending the racists
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LightningAce11 08/13/20 9:27:05 PM #31: |
Banning discussing salary is illegal and only benefits the companies when the workers don't know how underpaid they are.
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HANGtheDJ_86 08/13/20 9:27:33 PM #32: |
Social media is the problem
Always --- Green is the Color ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 08/13/20 9:27:51 PM #33: |
Numenor posted...
There is a distinct difference between posting a personal thought online, and violating company policy by discussing compensation. companys arent allowed to (or arent supposed to be allowed to) prohibit discussion of salary. https://www.govdocs.com/can-employees-discuss-pay-salaries/ (edit: lmao I dont know what the Australian laws are) And in any case, what if a company policy says not to post racist things online? --- #1 Kaiju Fangirl ^_^ https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 08/13/20 9:29:52 PM #34: |
HANGtheDJ_86 posted...
Social media is the problem I think it's a good thing, in this case. Less racists in the workplace means less victims of racial injustice. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:30:26 PM #35: |
Sure sure sure... Free Speech allows you to say whatever to whomever, so long as you are willing to accept the blowback.
The OP asked if what they did (actively work to affect this persons employment) crosses a line. I feel it does, and will do nothing to change that persons views. If anything they will harden as they would now have "evidence" to back up their opinions. I think going after livelihoods is the wrong method to deal with idiots like the OP ran across, and sets very dangerous precidents for the future. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 08/13/20 9:32:14 PM #36: |
Numenor posted...
Destroying a person's livelihood is a really dick thing to do. Shame them on whatever media platform you want, but going after their job crosses a line.Won't someone think of the poor racists. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:34:28 PM #37: |
Bio1590 posted...
Classic 2003, 6000-karma account defending the racists @Bio1590 I'd love to see what post of mine defended the person OP was talking about. I have issues with the method OP used, not that racists shouldn't be confronted. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 08/13/20 9:36:34 PM #38: |
The post where you said his company shouldn't be contacted, that's defending him.
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skermac 08/13/20 9:39:52 PM #39: |
How is it racist saying dont waste money on anyone who doesnt want to work, im genuinely curious
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:39:56 PM #40: |
Guide posted...
The post where you said his company shouldn't be contacted, that's defending him. No, it is disagreeing with the method OP is using. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 08/13/20 9:42:06 PM #41: |
Numenor posted...
No, it is disagreeing with the method OP is using.What method do you suggest? --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Houston 08/13/20 9:46:15 PM #42: |
I don't think you should have taken that approach, TC. For starters, making non violent comments online shouldn't mean someone should lose their job and it seems like you reached out to the company with that intention.
The Internet can be a bad place. Though probably unlikely, there are people out there who can and do impersonate others to ruin their reputation or make them suffer real world consequences. You may not know for certain who is actually behind that account. Or, it could have been someone who posted that message logged in on his profile, which is also unlikely, but still possible. I'd also think about his family, if he has one. Would you feel bad if his young children were negatively impacted by your decision to have him fired over a comment? Why not just respond to him and maybe engage in a discussion? --- "Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment until it becomes a memory." - Dr Seuss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:47:43 PM #43: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
What method do you suggest? I've already posted my suggestions. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ox0shadow0xo 08/13/20 9:48:11 PM #44: |
Guide posted...
Yes, defend the racists.I'm not defending racism (although the quote TC shared is more discrimination than racism). I just think it's weird how much of an effect social media has in general. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z270-A | i7-7700K | GTX 1080 | 32GB DDR4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 08/13/20 9:54:15 PM #45: |
Numenor posted...
I've already posted my suggestions.Engaging racists in debate is a waste of fucking time. If they were susceptible to rational or logical arguments they likely wouldn't be racists.Why would I waste my time engaging in open dialogue with racists? Besides that, it's not my fucking job to change their mind or make them a better person. The onus is on them to not be a shitty person. My goal is always going to be make sure their racists views can't harm others, and if the only way to accomplish that is to make people afraid to be openly racist, then so be it. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvolutionUber 08/13/20 9:57:59 PM #46: |
skermac posted...
How is it racist saying dont waste money on anyone who doesnt want to work, im genuinely curious its all context he is posting on a job advertisement targeting Aboriginal people implying that Aboriginal people do not want to work. --- 3DS friend code: 5370 1709 3194 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Numenor 08/13/20 9:59:22 PM #47: |
ScazarMeltex posted...
Engaging racists in debate is a waste of fucking time. If they were susceptible to rational or logical arguments they likely wouldn't be racists.Why would I waste my time engaging in open dialogue with racists? Besides that, it's not my fucking job to change their mind or make them a better person. The onus is on them to not be a shitty person. My goal is always going to be make sure their racists views can't harm others, and if the only way to accomplish that is to make people afraid to be openly racist, then so be it. You don't beat racists by destroying their lives. That just breeds resentment and reinforces their beliefs. You beat them by providing a counter-example, challenging their beliefs directly. Over and over and over. --- All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. - Gandalf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 08/13/20 9:59:32 PM #48: |
It's a weird thing, because people always say to debate racists, but if you say they should be re educated, taught why their beliefs are wrong and learn to be better, you get accusations of "wrongthink".
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Bio1590 08/13/20 10:00:00 PM #49: |
skermac posted...
How is it racist saying dont waste money on anyone who doesnt want to work, im genuinely curious Native people being lazy and not wanting to work and rely on government assistance instead is 100% a racist stereotype. It exists on both sides of the border and wouldn't surprise me if it was a thing in Australia/New Zealand as well. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Freddie_Mercury 08/13/20 10:04:17 PM #50: |
LightningAce11 posted...
It's a weird thing, because people always say to debate racists, but if you say they should be re educated, taught why their beliefs are wrong and learn to be better, you get accusations of "wrongthink". also odd how you never see them debating racists, only those speaking against them --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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