Board 8 > NBA restart topic

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29752941/nba-players-decide-resume-playoffs

Playoffs restarted. I have no doubt the financial implications played a huge role.

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Corrik7 posted...

There isn't a job in the world that is going to let you walk out or threaten to not work anymore during their most profitable time because you are upset with a political issue.

And thats a problem
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I think the boycott can be effective if they use the time they're boycotting to make plans about how to actually get change to happen. Which it was heartening to hear that the bucks were on the phone with some big congressman or something while they were in the locker room, they need to use the time to raise hell rather than just "Raise awareness" The people who care are already aware, and the people who don't will always turn a blind eye. Use the time to try for something tangible.
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Jakyl25 posted...

And thats a problem

Not how the real world works, bud. You are in fantasy land.

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Corrik7 posted...

Not how the real world works, bud. You are in fantasy land.

I think Jakyl is saying the real world is a problem, yes. The point of discourse and activism is to change how the real world works to make it better.

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Yes exactly
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I think Jakyl is saying the real world is a problem, yes. The point of discourse and activism is to change how the real world works to make it better.

It's nonsensical. Every day people would be out of work, businesses would grind to a halt, etc. Not everyone agrees with what you think is a good reason and has their own good reasons, and it would be mass chaos. Doesn't work. Only in fantasy does it.

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Corrik7 posted...

Every day people would be out of work,

Maybe we should solve these issues then
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This is kind of a fundamental difference between groups of thought. "This is how it works" vs "Yeah trust me, we know, we want it to be different" "but it won't be different so stop."

You may not realize this, but lots of things that are accepted now had to be fought for tooth and nail. It is fantasy until it is not.


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Jakyl25 posted...

Maybe we should solve these issues then

Republicans are out of work because a cop got fired. Democrats are out of work because a black man committed suicide after murdering someone. Republicans are out of work because a cop died in the line of duty. Democrats out of work because a black man was shot by the police while resisting. Yadda yadda yadda so on and so... and that's before we add in every other issue!

Republicans are out of work because an abortion happened. Democrats are out of work because a sexual assault happened. Republicans are out of work because an illegal immigrant killed an american citizen. Democrats are out of work because someone shot someone with a gun.

Like, holy fuck. Think about what you are saying!

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Yeah it used to be fantasy for labor unions to exist at all
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Corrik7 posted...

Like, holy f***. Think about what you are saying

Republicans wont strike because they value the economy more than their moral values
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Like these strikes for social justice are happening in basketball, soccer, baseball, and soon hockey. NFL teams have called off practices in protest

You cant say this is just an NBA problem and that its untenable if every sport is doing it
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Jakyl25 posted...

Republicans wont strike because they value the economy more than their moral values

Republicans care about fairness when it comes to money so much it's ridiculous. Sure they might not strike if they can retain their wages and Democrats lose their wages in retrospect for doing so. However, the moment Democrat workers shut down the business and Republicans lose their wages because the job can't function without the Democrat workers, the Republicans will be out striking for everything under the sun as well.

And, trust me the religious part of the Republicans have convictions about abortions that probably supercede the social justice fight going on now.

And when this starts causing issues over and over, the companies aren't going to simply shut down every time something comes up. They are going to start implementing rules against it and/or refusing to hire people of political affiliations.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29752941/nba-players-decide-resume-playoffs

Playoffs restarted. I have no doubt the financial implications played a huge role.

"Wait, you mean my empty gesture of virtue signalling will have ramifications, and I won't be able to afford my hookers and blow?"

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Horrendous takes all around in here, yikes.

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The turnaround is probably because a prolonged strike or cancelling the playoffs would have led to the CBA being torn up.

ShatteredElysium posted...

The turnaround is probably because a prolonged strike or cancelling the playoffs would have led to the CBA being torn up.

Yeah, the ramifications on the CBA were probably it. Especially when you'd have just under half the league doing so on their own here unless they video conference'd in the non-bubble and eliminated teams and got them on board.

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https://twitter.com/michaeldavsmith/status/1299418555990134784?s=21
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This is basically half of the topic

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEcRBGOBnK8/?igshid=m1dy19zrx0yi

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https://lakersdaily.com/report-lebron-james-spoke-like-he-was-above-everyone-else-during-yesterdays-meeting/

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Fastbreak posted...

This is basically half of the topic

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEcRBGOBnK8/?igshid=m1dy19zrx0yi

Fantastic.

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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/barack-obama-advised-lebron-james-chris-paul-to-finish-nba-postseason-per-report/

Thanks Obama!

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What happens if the increased voted turn out just leads to more votes for trump ? Would the 24 boycott still be considered a success?

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ugh, I'm not sure why the nba chose this guy to make a statement on.

Jacob Blake was not a good person. Please read the following article if you are unfamiliar with why the police were called to the scene in the first place.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/

Of course, even if you're a scumbag, it doesn't mean you should just get shot. So what happened? Well things started to go wrong when the man walked off to his car, with police telling him to stop.

Now, no one is saying that being defiant to police makes you worthy of being shot, but it is important to note a few things. A police officer on a scene, especially a potentially dangerous situation like a violated restraining order, needs to have control of as many variables as possible. When Blake defiantly walked away from them and opened his car door, it broke that control. Does he have a gun in the car? He had already admitted to having a knife on him. A police officer must then respond in a split second to what the potential/perceived threat factor is at that moment.

Did the police officer NEED to shoot Blake? I don't think so personally. I think he could have possibly handled it differently, but he had to make a gamble of if he had a gun in the car or not. If I try to pull him down and wrestle him to the ground, the known knife might come in to play. I could definitely see why he did it, even if I think he didn't have to. But one thing is certain is that if Blake wasn't defiant to the police's commands, none of this would've happened. Once again, that's not me saying that defiance justifies the shooting. It's me saying that often in these situations, its that defiance that is the first step down the path that eventually results in a fatal incident, often because control has been lost, and the threat level has risen.

I just think we need to look at these incidents on a case by case basis and not jump to conclusions based off of headlines.

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guffguy89 posted...

ugh, I'm not sure why the nba chose this guy to make a statement on.

Jacob Blake was not a good person. Please read the following article if you are unfamiliar with why the police were called to the scene in the first place.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/

Of course, even if you're a scumbag, it doesn't mean you should just get shot. So what happened? Well things started to go wrong when the man walked off to his car, with police telling him to stop.

Now, no one is saying that being defiant to police makes you worthy of being shot, but it is important to note a few things. A police officer on a scene, especially a potentially dangerous situation like a violated restraining order, needs to have control of as many variables as possible. When Blake defiantly walked away from them and opened his car door, it broke that control. Does he have a gun in the car? He had already admitted to having a knife on him. A police officer must then respond in a split second to what the potential/perceived threat factor is at that moment.

Did the police officer NEED to shoot Blake? I don't think so personally. I think he could have possibly handled it differently, but he had to make a gamble of if he had a gun in the car or not. If I try to pull him down and wrestle him to the ground, the known knife might come in to play. I could definitely see why he did it, even if I think he didn't have to. But one thing is certain is that if Blake wasn't defiant to the police's commands, none of this would've happened. Once again, that's not me saying that defiance justifies the shooting. It's me saying that often in these situations, its that defiance that is the first step down the path that eventually results in a fatal incident, often because control has been lost, and the threat level has risen.

I just think we need to look at these incidents on a case by case basis and not jump to conclusions based off of headlines.

You miss the point.


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Yes, the point is that if he was white he probably wouldn't be shot. And apparently no other circumstances surrounding the incident matters.

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guffguy89 posted...

And apparently no other circumstances surrounding the incident matters.

This argument is super dumb since you basically defeated it yourself.

"Look at the surrounding circumstances! There's X, and Y, and Z. And sure, none of those should lead to getting shot in the back 7 times, but... but... the circumstances!"

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No, it's not that simple. The full story presents a situation where the officer was presented with a certain unknown threat level and he reacted. He had to make a decision with just a few seconds to decide. I'm not a trained police officer. Personally, I would have liked to see him not shoot the guy, but the circumstances made it a difficult decision.

What happens if he did have a gun in the car and an officer got shot or killed instead? Police officers die too in the line of duty.

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Doesn't the video show them pretty much let him walk around the car. There was plenty more than "a few seconds" to react. They already have their guns on him, there's no chance he gets a gun out of the car and turns and shoots them before they react to that specific action, so there's literally no defense to shooting him in the back seven times. None. Zip. Zero. You can "B-B-But the circumstances!" all you want, none of them lead up to that kind of action being the correct course of action.

EDIT: I'm not gonna discuss this any further. Your "enlightened centrist" act is getting old, and this isn't really the topic to do this.

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Ok, I'll end the discussion as well. I'm not putting on an act though. This is just who I am.

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That is pretty embarrassing to admit, so I believe it.

GentlemanGamer posted...

That is pretty embarrassing to admit, so I believe it.

I will withdraw my long response and just say this. People who resort to petty insults are probably doing so because they are unable defend their views with actual logic and reasoning,

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so what do you guys think about the nba protesting for 18hrs then coming back?

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StealThisSheen posted...

Doesn't the video show them pretty much let him walk around the car. There was plenty more than "a few seconds" to react. They already have their guns on him, there's no chance he gets a gun out of the car and turns and shoots them before they react to that specific action, so there's literally no defense to shooting him in the back seven times. None. Zip. Zero. You can "B-B-But the circumstances!" all you want, none of them lead up to that kind of action being the correct course of action.

EDIT: I'm not gonna discuss this any further. Your "enlightened centrist" act is getting old, and this isn't really the topic to do this.

A call was made from a woman who said Jacob Blake had her keys and wouldn't give them back or so on. She gave the police her address. The address flagged Jacob Blake as having a felony warrant at the location.

What we don't know is what happened upon the police showing up and the struggle on the side of the car. We can assess they tried to detain him and he resisted. A lot of back up was called to the scene.

Then the video shows them trying to detain him and being in a struggle with him as he physically resists arrest. He is tased and it has no effect. He then walks to his car with a police officer tugging on him as he does. As he goes into the car, the police officer discharges 7 shots. They immediately administer life saving medical assistance, life flight him from a local hospital, and his life is saved.

The main discrepency comes down to the audio. Bystanders say they heard the police yelling "Put down the knife" and "Don't you do it". Was there a knife? There was a knife of his floorboard of his car. Was this in his hand and dropped when shot? Was he reaching for this? Was it just there? The audio is what would clear that up.

They didn't just let him walk. They were trying to detain him.

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It started something for sure. It was short but it is leading to changes, it lead to other sports and players, people also taking action. It took a first step in something that hopefully can lead somewhere good.

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Fastbreak posted...

It started something for sure. It was short but it is leading to changes, it lead to other sports and players, people also taking action. It took a first step in something that hopefully can lead somewhere good.

I personally can't wait til they have to keep one upping their responses and make sports truly a joke.

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Corrik7 posted...

I personally can't wait til they have to keep one upping their responses and make sports truly a joke.

You say this as though sports stars havent always used their platform for activism

We boycotted an entire Olympics for political reasons
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This isnt why we lost but I found it amusing hearing about the reports of the Rockets having a scrimmage Thursday to see if Westbrook was healthy, while I imagine Chris Paul spent 2-3 straight days dealing with the boycott as president

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Jakyl25 posted...

You say this as though sports stars havent always used their platform for activism

We boycotted an entire Olympics for political reasons

Pretty sure coronavirus made us boycott the Olympics

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Dr_Football posted...

This isnt why we lost but I found it amusing hearing about the reports of the Rockets having a scrimmage Thursday to see if Westbrook was healthy, while I imagine Chris Paul spent 2-3 straight days dealing with the boycott as president

at least you got a new record!

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I am all about the record books

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Go my Raps, try not to disappoint

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davidponte posted...

Go my Raps, try not to disappoint

Bruh

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Foul trouble aside which is a "no excuse" situation, the Raptors shot 29% in the first half, and while I'm no expert, I feel like it's tough to win when you do that.

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philly almost beat us in game 3 shooting 29% for the whole game tbf
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go clip go

Murray today dang

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every jazz win this series has been absurd
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and every Nuggets win

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