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CRON posted...

Hacksaw Jim Rogan

HOOOOOOOOOOOO

goddamnit

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Why are people defending the girl? Come up to me yapping and threatening me with a bat, better bet you're gonna get your ass knocked out.
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I mean...

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Kastrada posted...

Except self defense has to be reasonable. She was dragging that thing along and didn't look like she could much damage anyway if she connected. Someone with a far better understanding of physics could probably explain it better.

And he went straight for a head shot which could be argued as going too far.

Like yeah she was aggressive and yes she did pick that huge thing up but with how she was struggling, he could have and should have defended himself in a less potential death inducing way.

How TF was he supposed to know she couldn't lift it? Someone comes at you with a weapon, you don't just stand there and do nothing.

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Kastrada posted...

Except self defense has to be reasonable. She was dragging that thing along and didn't look like she could much damage anyway if she connected. Someone with a far better understanding of physics could probably explain it better.

And he went straight for a head shot which could be argued as going too far.

Like yeah she was aggressive and yes she did pick that huge thing up but with how she was struggling, he could have and should have defended himself in a less potential death inducing way.

She was clearly threatening and started to swing the thing at him, it's ridiculous to act like he's supposed to wait to see how hard she can hit him with it before he defends himself from an obviously telegraphed attack coming at him.

SpacialEntropy posted...

How TF was he supposed to know she couldn't lift it? Someone comes at you with a weapon, you don't just stand there and do nothing.

Basic physic knowledge?

As for the second part, I literally said he should have defended himself.

My point is that self-defense laws would be murky since you aren't supposed to go too far, which this looks like he did.


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What a dumb bitch. What did she think was gonna happen?

Tenlaar posted...

She was clearly threatening and started to swing the thing at him, it's ridiculous to act like he's supposed to wait to see how hard she can hit him with it before he defends himself from an obviously telegraphed attack coming at him.

Right. If someone has a weapon, unless it is completely and totally obvious that they can do nothing to harm you, as if they were a small child with a fork, your priority is self defense. The same principle as shooting center mass.

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Tenlaar posted...

She was clearly threatening and started to swing the thing at him, it's ridiculous to act like he's supposed to wait to see how hard she can hit him with it before he defends himself from an obviously telegraphed attack coming at him.

I never said he should wait for him to hit her, why the fuck are people thinking I said this? Or that he should have defended himself.

The way she grips the thing in a batter stance there is no way she could have hit him in the fucking head. Which is what he did.

She was the aggressor. She was at fault. He had every right to defend himself in a legal manner. Going straight to head like he did I don't think would be covered in a self-defensive manner due to it not matching the level of violence she could have done. That's my whole point.

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Are people actually responding to that Kastrada's ridiculous post seriously?

That's full grown adult with mal-intent gunning straight at another person wielding an object capable of dealing serious damage. His first instinct was to immobilize the threat as quickly as possible while maintaining his physical being intact.

Going too far would be him continually striking with equal or greater force after they've been incapacitated and no longer and immediate danger to his persona.

Pretty cut and dry.

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reminds me of a dark souls boss dragging his sword and im just couldnt wait to drop my sword on him

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eston posted...

Super fucked up that people are just standing around while she's slumped over on the sidewalk

It's New York, boys and girls. I should know. I used to live in that town.

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SpacialEntropy posted...

How TF was he supposed to know she couldn't lift it? Someone comes at you with a weapon, you don't just stand there and do nothing.

Whether she can lift it doesn't matter. Reasonable force is a thing. My friend was in a fight that at first was self defense however he ended up kicking dude in head and went to prison for felony assault. This guy could easily face the same

Kastrada posted...

Basic physic knowledge?

As for the second part, I literally said he should have defended himself.

My point is that self-defense laws would be murky since you aren't supposed to go too far, which this looks like he did.

She had a stick, he had a board.

Additionally he was clearly backing up giving up ground while she advanced, despite what I would say was a clear body language from him that he didn't want to but would use the board to protect himself. Then she still made a move that by the video looked like she was ready to take a swing which he reacted to. At least in that small video she's clearly the aggressor.

What I'm wondering is what the hell happened to lead to this though? Why does he have a board and why does she have a giant stick coming at him? How did we get to this point?

Axiom posted...

Whether she can lift it doesn't matter. Reasonable force is a thing. My friend was in a fight that at first was self defense however he ended up kicking dude in head and went to prison for felony assault. This guy could easily face the same

He hit her ONCE and then stopped when she wasn't a threat. So that really doesn't apply here.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

That's full grown adult with mal-intent gunning straight at another person wielding an object capable of dealing serious damage.

My whole point is that she could barely pick it up with two hands and he immediately went for a head shot. To me that isn't equivalent to the danger he was in.

Again, since people are putting words in my mouth, she was at fault and he should not have waited until being hit and had every right to defend himself within reason.

Also this is New York City that doesn't have a stand your ground law.

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Nunyobidness posted...

At least in that small video she's clearly the aggressor.

Right, which I have said multiple times. She's at fault.

But legally speaking, I'm not sure he is protected by self-defense laws. Especially given the state they are in.

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Dumb bitch!

who are these trash creatures?

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E32005 posted...

who are these trash creatures?

Thats Joe Rogan bruh

check out his podcast

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JTilly posted...

Thats Joe Rogan bruh

check out his podcast

All right joe rogaine?

Odoylerules posted...

All right joe rogaine?

Not alt right enough for my taste, I get my information straight from Alex jones bruh

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Wow and I thought Joe was alt right before this

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PCgamingIS_Best posted...

Dumb bitch!

You must be new.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Why are people defending the girl? Come up to me yapping and threatening me with a bat, better bet you're gonna get your ass knocked out.

Agreed. People are fucking crazy these days. If someone gets in my personal space being confrontational and I didn't start shit and they won't let me walk away, I'm going to defend myself. Plus she was also armed.

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JTilly posted...

Not alt right enough for my taste, I get my information straight from Alex jones bruh

needle straight to the veins, eh?

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E32005 posted...

needle straight to the veins, eh?

Hell ye i like to eat my shit whole bruv

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Wait that's not for real Joe Rogan is it

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Kastrada posted...

Again, since people are putting words in my mouth

That's not happening. The reasoning that you are using for why you say his response was excessive is that she couldn't have hit him that hard with what she had, and our response is that he couldn't know that for sure and it's unreasonable to expect him to wait to find out so it wasn't excessive.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Holy shit is that girl okay?

That's not funny she could be seriously hurt. She might have brain damage

Seemed like she was the aggressor so based on that I dont feel very sorry for her.

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Tenlaar posted...

That's not happening. The reasoning that you are using for why you say his response was excessive is that she couldn't have hit him that hard with what she had, and our response is that he couldn't know that for sure and it's unreasonable to expect him to wait to find out so it wasn't excessive.

My point is looking at her attempt to pick up that thing with two hands. It's pretty obvious she can't lift that thing to hit him in the head with the same force he hits her with. That's just physics.

And this is the part where you are putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying he should have waited to be hit at all. I've said before he had a right to defend himself because she was the aggressor in this situation.

But legally speaking, especially where this is, I don't think he has the self-defensive protection when he hit her in the skull with a blunt object.

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ECW, Ecw

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Kastrada posted...

My point is looking at her attempt to pick up that thing with two hands. It's pretty obvious she can't lift that thing to hit him in the head with the same force he hits her with. That's just physics.

Where did you get this idea that he's only allowed to hit her with an equal or lesser amount of force than a guestimation of how hard she could potentially hit him? The fuck are you even going on about at this point, honestly.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Right. If someone has a weapon, unless it is completely and totally obvious that they can do nothing to harm you, as if they were a small child with a fork, your priority is self defense. The same principle as shooting center mass.

This.

Just because she is a woman doesnt mean she cant hurt you.

Its a long block of wood not a freakin Buster Sword. Probably weights a couple dozen pounds at most.

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Tenlaar posted...

Where did you get this idea that he's only allowed to hit her with an equal or lesser amount of force than a guestimation of how hard she could potentially hit him? The fuck are you even going on about at this point, honestly.

hold on let me calculate your muscle mass so I can decide if I am allowed to defend myself or not.

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Kastrada posted...

Because the bare minimum of self-defense law is that you have to match the level of the threat.

She struggled to pick up her weapon with two hands.
He cracked her in the skull.

In New York City where there is no stand-your-ground law. Where self-defense laws, with weapons involved, is weaker than other states.

Funny how this law doesn't apply to the police

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Can't simmer the Zimmer

Tonk!

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Tenlaar posted...

Where did you get this idea that he's only allowed to hit her with an equal or lesser amount of force than a guestimation of how hard she could potentially hit him? The fuck are you even going on about at this point, honestly.

Because the bare minimum of self-defense law is that you have to match the level of the threat.

The way she is dragging the thing and how she picks it up, it's weakly held.

In New York where there is no stand-your-ground law. Where self-defense laws, with weapons involved, is weaker than other states.

And I think NYC is a duty-to-flee place or whatever it is. Where self-defense is even weaker if you don't take the chance to leave a volatile situation like this.

And I'll repeat:
She was the aggressor.
He has the right to defend himself.
Women can abuse men.
Men have every right to defend themselves.
This specific situation, in the location they are in, based on the laws that govern that city makes me think he went above the legal definition of what would constitute self-defense there.

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Veggeta X posted...

is that really joe rogan?

Yes, he's totally in some ghetto in a foreign country picking fights with chicks carrying 2x4's

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NeonOctopus posted...

Yes, he's totally in some ghetto in a foreign country picking fights with chicks carrying 2x4's

this is literally NYC

EC-Dub!
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Kastrada posted...

Because the bare minimum of self-defense law is that you have to match the level of the threat.

You are using a ridiculous and impossible to actually gauge interpretation of "match the level of the threat."

Tenlaar posted...

You are using a ridiculous and impossible to actually gauge interpretation of "match the level of the threat."

I'm going based on fucking New York law which is weak compared to other states.

www.nyccriminal attorneys.com/self-defense-criminal-lawyers/
(Delete the space)

New York is not a stand your ground state. It has a duty to retreat law in place

Duty to retreat means that a person must attempt to avoid a violent situation before they respond with force to defend themselves. Most states do not have a duty to retreat when it comes to using nonlethal force in self-defense, but many do have a duty to retreat before a person can legally use lethal force to defend themselves.

So the thing would be was he actively avoiding the situation prior to hitting her? Would his walking backwards constitute retreat under NY law or not because I honestly don't know.

But it's not a clear cut self-defense situation based on where they are and the fact weapons are involved.

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Crazy because he just signed that $100 million deal

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@Kastrada

Joes got lots of money, Im sure hell be able to get best lawyer in the business, hell be fine tbh

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JTilly posted...

Joes got lots of money, Im sure hell be able to get best lawyer in the business, hell be fine tbh

I'm not worried about him tbh. His form in his swing was great but she just went in too fast. She underestimated his speed and reach and this is what happens. Hopefully she bounces back for the rematch.

Dana White (probably)

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What did she expect to happen there

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Kastrada posted...

I'm going based on fucking New York law which is weak compared to other states.

www.nyccriminal attorneys.com/self-defense-criminal-lawyers/
(Delete the space)

New York is not a stand your ground state. It has a duty to retreat law in place

Duty to retreat means that a person must attempt to avoid a violent situation before they respond with force to defend themselves. Most states do not have a duty to retreat when it comes to using nonlethal force in self-defense, but many do have a duty to retreat before a person can legally use lethal force to defend themselves.

So the thing would be was he actively avoiding the situation prior to hitting her? Would his walking backwards constitute retreat under NY law or not because I honestly don't know.

But it's not a clear cut self-defense situation based on where they are and the fact weapons are involved.

Duty to retreat has nothing to do with your assertion that he's only legally allowed to use an amount of force equal to or less than what she is estimated to be able to use, please don't think that you can just talk about something else entirely and I won't notice somehow.