Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee

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Jakyl25
05/25/20 8:49:26 PM
#453:


Trans people have the easiest examples of inequality

You may have heard about some states pushing for laws that make it illegal for trans people to use the bathroom they belong in based on their gender identity

Also Trump has banned trans people from being able to join the military
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TheRock1525
05/25/20 8:50:31 PM
#454:


Biggest one being how they can still be denied health benefits of their partner.

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iiaattgg
05/25/20 8:52:15 PM
#455:


TheRock1525 posted...
Biggest one being how they can still be denied health benefits of their partner.
Im sure i have been told this before but wow

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Jakyl25
05/25/20 8:53:45 PM
#456:


I know there are issues with gay couples being able to adopt but I dont know the legal details
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Maniac64
05/25/20 9:10:46 PM
#457:


You also cant give blood.

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LordoftheMorons
05/25/20 9:21:22 PM
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HeroicCrono
05/25/20 9:24:50 PM
#459:


TheRock1525 posted...
Biggest one being how they can still be denied health benefits of their partner.

Even after the Obergefell decision?
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MoogleKupo141
05/25/20 9:37:24 PM
#460:


SmartMuffin posted...

The philosophy of individual liberty demands you ignore such things and advocate policies that appeal to all individuals equally.


it sounds like you cant have rights for straight couples then because those policies dont appeal to all individuals either
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LordoftheMorons
05/25/20 9:56:01 PM
#461:


Jesus Christ

https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1264967125627736066

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Corrik7
05/25/20 10:02:38 PM
#462:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jesus Christ

https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1264967125627736066
The kids part. That said, the sign about no isolation without representation is funny, figuring they are hanging up their representation. Lol.

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LinkMarioSamus
05/26/20 4:09:59 AM
#463:


Americans are stupid. And they say celebrities are out of touch, when they're the Americans who are probably LEAST out of touch.

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red13n
05/26/20 4:32:52 AM
#464:


no celebrities are way out of touch too.

they have PR people that make them look more sane than they are.

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red13n
05/26/20 4:34:05 AM
#465:


also that shouldn't be taken as a blanket statement, there are some celebrities very much not out of touch, but as a whole they arent much different from the rest of the population.

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Peace___Frog
05/26/20 7:56:30 AM
#466:


Please tell me that the "appeals to everyone equally" standard is something that smuffin just made up, because if that's an actual libertarian stance then their positions are even stupider than I thought

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LinkMarioSamus
05/26/20 7:59:02 AM
#467:


red13n posted...
no celebrities are way out of touch too.

they have PR people that make them look more sane than they are.

It's probably more like to say celebrities are out of touch with the common American, but the common American is even more out of touch with what's good for their country.

I don't know. It's becoming increasingly apparent that America is weird and works completely differently from the rest of the world. This is the stupid country I lived more than half of my life so far in. I feel so ashamed.

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Jakyl25
05/26/20 10:38:56 AM
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MoogleKupo141
05/26/20 10:52:12 AM
#469:


obviously hes only doing that because Joe Scarborough threatened that hed be next
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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/20 11:13:53 AM
#470:


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ecce405c5b648af37580559

So, uh.

If it reaches you, don't watch the video of this if you wanna have a good day.

These is no room for debate on this one.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/26/20 11:21:04 AM
#471:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
These is no room for debate on this one.

timjab: hold my beer

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PerfectChaosZ
05/26/20 11:25:02 AM
#472:


If someone died during my job and it was my fault Id be fired, at least. Not on paid leave. People have been jailed for their entire lives when there wasnt even video evidence.
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FFDragon
05/26/20 11:32:30 AM
#473:


yikes

you have to be a special kind of sociopath to listen to the slow dying pleads and gasps of another human being and not even have it register to you

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Nanis23
05/26/20 12:22:43 PM
#474:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ecce405c5b648af37580559

So, uh.

If it reaches you, don't watch the video of this if you wanna have a good day.

These is no room for debate on this one.
No there isn't
But we can still debate if it's a norm or a extraordinary case!

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/20 12:26:52 PM
#475:


Oh of course.

But like there is no world in which this wasn't a murder.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/26/20 12:27:05 PM
#476:


Nanis23 posted...
No there isn't
But we can still debate if it's a norm or a extraordinary case!

Best post youve ever made, Nanis

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Nanis23
05/26/20 12:31:23 PM
#477:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Best post youve ever made, Nanis
Thanks I want to make a come back I have been asleep for too long

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Reg
05/26/20 4:20:20 PM
#478:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
If someone died during my job and it was my fault Id be fired, at least. Not on paid leave. People have been jailed for their entire lives when there wasnt even video evidence.
As a starting point for potential good news, four cops have been fired over this.
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LinkMarioSamus
05/26/20 4:38:21 PM
#479:


I want to mention in this topic how Starship Troopers director Paul Verhoeven repeatedly equated the US to Nazi Germany in his director's commentary. I want to agree so hard with each passing day.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/26/20 4:58:07 PM
#480:


can't believe that LMS has been radicalized entirely via pop culture

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Peace___Frog
05/26/20 5:03:09 PM
#481:


Lms, you know the nazis themselves, in their own writings, attributed a lot of their ideas as being inspired by the US?

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Wanglicious
05/26/20 5:21:28 PM
#482:


came in to see if the Minneapolis case was mentioned, saw it is. not sure what the defense would be on that one, knee to the back of the neck while pinned to the ground for 5 minutes is something that obviously risks killing someone. a few seconds of that is all it'd take to knock someone out. minutes starts making that look less like manslaughter and more like murder, especially after they're aware he's bleeding from the nose, so i'm not sure what defense can be come up with. no weapons, 4 cops, he's on the ground.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/20 5:25:51 PM
#483:


Man, this Amy Cooper shit is wild too!

Karen incarnate.
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Jakyl25
05/26/20 5:49:10 PM
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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/20 5:59:49 PM
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Jakyl25
05/26/20 6:06:01 PM
#486:


They meant to delete three!
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Mr Lasastryke
05/26/20 6:07:53 PM
#487:


i mean, i can buy that it was an accident.

i assume that if youtube cared that much about people on the platform insulting china, they'd ban stefan molyneux's channel with over 900k subs.

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red sox 777
05/26/20 6:09:50 PM
#488:


China already banned Youtube and has for years, so why are they catering to them anyway?

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Jakyl25
05/26/20 6:10:18 PM
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red sox 777
05/26/20 6:16:14 PM
#490:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1265255835124539392?s=21

Twitter now actively fact checking Trump some times

But Trump didn't state any facts in that tweet other than that mail-in ballots are being sent. The rest is all opinion.

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StealThisSheen
05/26/20 6:34:12 PM
#491:


red sox 777 posted...
But Trump didn't state any facts in that tweet other than that mail-in ballots are being sent. The rest is all opinion.

He said they're being sent to "anyone," which is false.

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red sox 777
05/26/20 6:35:40 PM
#492:


StealThisSheen posted...
He said they're being sent to "anyone," which is false.

It hasn't happened yet. It's possible that California sends mail-in ballots to everyone in the state. If that doesn't happen, Trump will be wrong, but until then, his statement is an opinion about what will happen in the future, not a fact.

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red sox 777
05/26/20 6:37:44 PM
#493:


And yeah, Rachel Maddow just won a lawsuit OANN filed against her because the court concluded that her statement, on-air, that OANN was funded by Russia, should be understood by a reasonable viewer as her opinion rather than a fact.

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StealThisSheen
05/26/20 6:39:55 PM
#494:


I'm sorry I ever unblocked you.

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LordoftheMorons
05/26/20 6:40:17 PM
#495:


https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1265401692482387970

Love that our president is making the easiest and lowest cost pandemic intervention besides washing your hands into a culture war issue

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Nanis23
05/26/20 6:42:21 PM
#496:


Oh I forgot I put LMS on ignore
I had no idea he is in the politics topics
I mean this is pretty much not LMS at all

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Mr Lasastryke
05/26/20 6:42:30 PM
#497:


red sox 777 posted...
her statement, on-air, that OANN was funded by Russia, should be understood by a reasonable viewer as her opinion rather than a fact.

how is that an opinion

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red sox 777
05/26/20 6:47:02 PM
#498:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
how is that an opinion

Because the way she talked about it, it should have been apparent to a reasonable viewer that the conclusion was an inference drawn from some other facts, which she had expressed, and there were not additional unstated facts from which she based her conclusion. Compare the following statements.

  1. OANN employs a journalist who also works for Russia Today. They must also be funded by Russia.
  2. I have direct evidence that OANN is funded by Russia.
1 is an opinion and not actionable through a defamation case (assuming the fact about employing a journalist who also works for RT is true). 2 is a statement of fact, and if false, can lead to liability for defamation.

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Mr Lasastryke
05/26/20 6:51:27 PM
#499:


red sox 777 posted...
1. OANN employs a journalist who also works for Russia Today. They must also be funded by Russia.

1 is an opinion

no it's not. it's an assumption.

an opinion is "the journalist OANN employed sucks."

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red sox 777
05/26/20 6:53:26 PM
#500:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
no it's not. it's an assumption.

an opinion is "the journalist OANN employed sucks."

I don't think a separate category for assumptions exists in defamation law. It's either a fact, or an opinion. Within facts, you can have true facts and false facts, and it's only false facts that are actionable.

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