Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee

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HeroicCrono 05/25/20 12:20:03 PM #353:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I work at a medical university that has been doing data modeling just for the cases in the metroplex. As far as I can tell, their model is very accurate now. While they didn't retroactively model what it would look like if they shut down earlier, they could model what the case numbers would look like if we had shut down any later than we did. And the numbers for one and two week delayed are absolutely ridiculously larger. Delaying 1 week is 4x the amount of cases. Delaying 2 weeks is 18x higher. And this is in an area that did not have an early spike, mind you. It absolutely stands to reason that if the places hit hardest had shut down even a little bit sooner it would have made an enormous difference. The problem with retrospective modeling is you can always find one that fits the data after the fact. If I make 100 models, I'll probably get one that comes close to the data after the fact. It is not the same as predicting it beforehand, because no one will take me seriously if I present 100 models and then brag that one of them was right. But with retrospective modeling, you can just not publish the models that were wrong and it looks like you "predicted" things. As an Econ major I'm well aware of this problem which absolutely plagues the field. The hard sciences generally give very little credibility to retrospective modeling but in Econ we have no choice as it's hard to design macroeconomic experiments due to the scale and number of variables. <cite>HeroicCrono posted [p:939683181] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>I work at a medical university that has been doing data modeling just for the cases in the metroplex. As far as I can tell, their model is very accurate now. While they didn't retroactively model what it would look like if they shut down earlier, they could model what the case numbers would look like if we had shut down any later than we did. And the numbers for one and two week delayed are absolutely ridiculously larger. Delaying 1 week is 4x the amount of cases. Delaying 2 weeks is 18x higher. And this is in an area that did not have an early spike, mind you. It absolutely stands to reason that if the places hit hardest had shut down even a little bit sooner it would have made an enormous difference.</quote> The problem with retrospective modeling is you can always find one that fits the data after the fact. If I make 100 models, I'll probably get one that comes close to the data after the fact. It is not the same as predicting it beforehand, because no one will take me seriously if I present 100 models and then brag that one of them was right. But with retrospective modeling, you can just not publish the models that were wrong and it looks like you "predicted" things. As an Econ major I'm well aware of this problem which absolutely plagues the field. The hard sciences generally give very little credibility to retrospective modeling but in Econ we have no choice as it's hard to design macroeconomic experiments due to the scale and number of variables. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/25/20 12:21:38 PM #354:	SmartMuffin posted... When half the country is under indefinite house arrest because Fauci said so It's amazing when we see all 50 states open up and you still argue "we're under house arrest!" --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:939683247] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>When half the country is under indefinite house arrest because Fauci said so</quote>It's amazing when we see all 50 states open up and you still argue "we're under house arrest!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 05/25/20 12:23:10 PM #355:	SmartMuffin posted... When half the country is under indefinite house arrest because Fauci said so, and the libertarian presidential candidate thinks that "federal civil asset forfeiture" is the issue that is going to get people to care about her. When 'libertarians' are okay with the government taking your assets without any sort of trial. Face fucking palm. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:939683317] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>When half the country is under indefinite house arrest because Fauci said so, and the libertarian presidential candidate thinks that "federal civil asset forfeiture" is the issue that is going to get people to care about her.</quote> When 'libertarians' are okay with the government taking your assets without any sort of trial. Face fucking palm. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 05/25/20 12:23:11 PM #356:	"you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up." As far as I can tell, there isn't a single state that is truly open in the "feel free to do whatever you were doing back in February" sense. Not officially at least. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:939683318] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>"you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up." As far as I can tell, there isn't a single state that is truly open in the "feel free to do whatever you were doing back in February" sense. Not officially at least. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 05/25/20 12:23:53 PM #357:	When 'libertarians' are okay with the government taking your assets without any sort of trial. I'm not okay with it. Asset forfeiture sucks. It should be immediately abolished. It's also like way way down on the priority list at this exact moment. And is a technocratic issue that 99% of the general public doesn't give a single solitary shit about. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:939683355] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote><quote>When 'libertarians' are okay with the government taking your assets without any sort of trial.</quote> I'm not okay with it. Asset forfeiture sucks. It should be immediately abolished. It's also like way way down on the priority list at this exact moment. And is a technocratic issue that 99% of the general public doesn't give a single solitary shit about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 05/25/20 12:24:37 PM #358:	HeroicCrono posted... The problem with retrospective modeling is you can always find one that fits the data after the fact. If I make 100 models, I'll probably get one that comes close to the data after the fact. It is not the same as predicting it beforehand, because no one will take me seriously if I present 100 models and then brag that one of them was right. But with retrospective modeling, you can just not publish the models that were wrong and it looks like you "predicted" things. As an Econ major I'm well aware of this problem which absolutely plagues the field. The hard sciences generally give very little credibility to retrospective modeling but in Econ we have no choice as it's hard to design macroeconomic experiments due to the scale and number of variables. I mean, they most likely did this but they aren't trying to say "look how right we were!" They're using the model to predict future cases, then verifying the accuracy of their model of choice by applying it to old data to make sure it actually lines up with real data. More accurately, they probably did that in the other order and simply selected the most accurate model to use going forward like you say. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:939683381] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>HeroicCrono posted... </cite> <quote>The problem with retrospective modeling is you can always find one that fits the data after the fact. If I make 100 models, I'll probably get one that comes close to the data after the fact. It is not the same as predicting it beforehand, because no one will take me seriously if I present 100 models and then brag that one of them was right. But with retrospective modeling, you can just not publish the models that were wrong and it looks like you "predicted" things. As an Econ major I'm well aware of this problem which absolutely plagues the field. The hard sciences generally give very little credibility to retrospective modeling but in Econ we have no choice as it's hard to design macroeconomic experiments due to the scale and number of variables.</quote> I mean, they most likely did this but they aren't trying to say "look how right we were!" They're using the model to predict future cases, then verifying the accuracy of their model of choice by applying it to old data to make sure it actually lines up with real data. More accurately, they probably did that in the other order and simply selected the most accurate model to use going forward like you say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 05/25/20 12:25:47 PM #359:	I mean what she said definitely appeals to me. Releasing offenders of non-violent victimless crimes? End civil asset forefiture? It's one of the few things I could agree with Libertarians on! --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:939683442] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>I mean what she said definitely appeals to me. Releasing offenders of non-violent victimless crimes? End civil asset forefiture? It's one of the few things I could agree with Libertarians on! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 05/25/20 12:27:52 PM #360:	Also to be really technical, what she's saying is that she would end federal drug laws/asset forfeiture, which is only a small subset of all drug laws/asset forfeiture that actually happens. It's cool and it should happen but it's a super minor deal all things considered. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:939683526] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Also to be really technical, what she's saying is that she would end federal drug laws/asset forfeiture, which is only a small subset of all drug laws/asset forfeiture that actually happens. It's cool and it should happen but it's a super minor deal all things considered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/25/20 12:28:28 PM #361:	SmartMuffin posted... "you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up." Literally every fucking thing is open in Florida. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:939683546] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>"you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up."</quote>Literally every fucking thing is open in Florida. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 05/25/20 12:33:30 PM #362:	SmartMuffin posted... It's cool and it should happen so what the fuck are you complaining about --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:939683772] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>It's cool and it should happen</quote>so what the fuck are you complaining about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 05/25/20 12:36:40 PM #363:	I just told you - that it's a ridiculously low priority issue that nobody cares about right now. It would be like if Biden made abolishing the penny his #1 campaign issue. It's like yeah, do it, that's good and makes sense, but it's still a really dumb thing to be talking about right now that shows you aren't a serious candidate... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:939683906] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>I just told you - that it's a ridiculously low priority issue that nobody cares about right now. It would be like if Biden made abolishing the penny his #1 campaign issue. It's like yeah, do it, that's good and makes sense, but it's still a really dumb thing to be talking about right now that shows you aren't a serious candidate... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 05/25/20 12:40:23 PM #364:	To be fair, she's running third party. Which means she already isn't a serious candidate. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:939684062] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, she's running third party. Which means she already isn't a serious candidate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 05/25/20 12:42:43 PM #365:	Dancedreamer posted... To be fair, she's running third party. Which means she already isn't a serious candidate. So she should maximize for "getting the most attention possible." Which you do by taking a firm, non-mainstream stance on the culturally dominant issue of the day (lockdowns). Not by pointing to obscure minutiae the average person has never even heard of. At least Vermin Supreme could get media interviews because he wore a boot on his head and talked about ponies... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:939684184] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>To be fair, she's running third party. Which means she already isn't a serious candidate.</quote> So she should maximize for "getting the most attention possible." Which you do by taking a firm, non-mainstream stance on the culturally dominant issue of the day (lockdowns). Not by pointing to obscure minutiae the average person has never even heard of. At least Vermin Supreme could get media interviews because he wore a boot on his head and talked about ponies... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 05/25/20 12:44:27 PM #366:	Dancedreamer posted... To be fair, she's running third party. Which means she already isn't a serious candidate. This. If the Libertarian Party actually had ideas popular enough to win elections, they'd have either replaced or taken over one of the major parties by now. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:939684259] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, she's running third party. Which means she already isn't a serious candidate.</quote> This. If the Libertarian Party actually had ideas popular enough to win elections, they'd have either replaced or taken over one of the major parties by now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 05/25/20 12:45:31 PM #367:	SmartMuffin posted... So she should maximize for "getting the most attention possible." Which you do by taking a firm, non-mainstream stance on the culturally dominant issue of the day (lockdowns). Not by pointing to obscure minutiae the average person has never even heard of. At least Vermin Supreme could get media interviews because he wore a boot on his head and talked about ponies... So she should make the Libertarian Party a COMPLETE joke by railing against an issue that only self-centered assholes have a problem with, just to garner attention? --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:939684303] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>So she should maximize for "getting the most attention possible." Which you do by taking a firm, non-mainstream stance on the culturally dominant issue of the day (lockdowns). Not by pointing to obscure minutiae the average person has never even heard of. At least Vermin Supreme could get media interviews because he wore a boot on his head and talked about ponies...</quote> So she should make the Libertarian Party a COMPLETE joke by railing against an issue that only self-centered assholes have a problem with, just to garner attention? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/25/20 12:58:11 PM #368:	Does the Libertarian Party think theres more potential in converting Republicans, or converting non-voters? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:939684904] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Does the Libertarian Party think theres more potential in converting Republicans, or converting non-voters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 05/25/20 12:58:27 PM #369:	SmartMuffin posted... https://twitter.com/Jo4liberty/status/1264727587244445700 When half the country is under indefinite house arrest because Fauci said so, and the libertarian presidential candidate thinks that "federal civil asset forfeiture" is the issue that is going to get people to care about her. Face-fucking-palm. I very much care about civil asset forfeiture and did an "ooh hey that's pretty cool" eyebrow raise at that tweet when I saw it. So nyah. Also you know the first part of that isn't true so I'm not going to bother arguing with you about it. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:939684920] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Jo4liberty/status/1264727587244445700 When half the country is under indefinite house arrest because Fauci said so, and the libertarian presidential candidate thinks that "federal civil asset forfeiture" is the issue that is going to get people to care about her. Face-fucking-palm.</quote> I very much care about civil asset forfeiture and did an "ooh hey that's pretty cool" eyebrow raise at that tweet when I saw it. So nyah. Also you know the first part of that isn't true so I'm not going to bother arguing with you about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 1:34:18 PM #370:	SmartMuffin posted... "you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up." SmartMuffin also said... States that are re-opening are doing fine. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939686544] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>"you can go to this small list of businesses if they comply with these onerous regulations that make it impossible for them to actually turn a profit" is not "opened up."</quote> SmartMuffin also said... <quote>States that are re-opening are doing fine.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 1:39:10 PM #371:	Boring argument yall are having --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939686761] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Boring argument yall are having </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 1:40:04 PM #372:	it's a lot more interesting than your attacks on biden --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939686796] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>it's a lot more interesting than your attacks on biden </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/25/20 1:47:24 PM #373:	iiaattgg posted... Boring argument yall are having Yeah, totally this, honestly. Its flat-Earth adjacent as far as Im concerned. The really important argument should be about UBIs and stimulus, because staying closed without it is literally forcing people to choose MAYBE catching the virus or DEFINITELY falling behind on their bills. Everything else is just a stats comparison between wildly different states that cause everyone to draw different and totally impotent conclusions. Mr Lasastryke posted... it's a lot more interesting than your attacks on biden Is Sess really attacking Biden all that much? Does Biden not say objectively hilariousthus, interestingshit constantly? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:939687111] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>iiaattgg posted... </cite> <quote>Boring argument yall are having</quote> Yeah, totally this, honestly. Its flat-Earth adjacent as far as Im concerned. The really important argument should be about UBIs and stimulus, because staying closed without it is literally forcing people to choose MAYBE catching the virus or DEFINITELY falling behind on their bills. Everything else is just a stats comparison between wildly different states that cause everyone to draw different and totally impotent conclusions. Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>it's a lot more interesting than your attacks on biden</quote> Is Sess really attacking Biden all that much? Does Biden not say objectively hilariousthus, interestingshit constantly? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 1:49:22 PM #374:	i didn't say he attacked biden much! --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939687194] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>i didn't say he attacked biden much! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 1:49:39 PM #375:	Yeah LOL like i might have just said the black comment was bad but like i never post about the dude. Are you okay? --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939687208] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Yeah LOL like i might have just said the black comment was bad but like i never post about the dude. Are you okay? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 1:51:33 PM #376:	Laser im starting to think you dont like me! --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939687283] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Laser im starting to think you dont like me! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 05/25/20 1:53:22 PM #377:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... The really important argument should be about UBIs and stimulus, because staying closed without it is literally forcing people to choose MAYBE catching the virus or DEFINITELY falling behind on their bills. Everything else is just a stats comparison between wildly different states that cause everyone to draw different and totally impotent conclusions. Yeah but even that isn't an interesting argument because the need for more UBI/stimulus has been apparent for weeks and the government hasn't moved on it. There's nothing to discuss. All we can do is watch numbers go up --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:939687363] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote> The really important argument should be about UBIs and stimulus, because staying closed without it is literally forcing people to choose MAYBE catching the virus or DEFINITELY falling behind on their bills. Everything else is just a stats comparison between wildly different states that cause everyone to draw different and totally impotent conclusions.</quote> Yeah but even that isn't an interesting argument because the need for more UBI/stimulus has been apparent for weeks and the government hasn't moved on it. There's nothing to discuss. All we can do is watch numbers go up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 2:29:40 PM #378:	iiaattgg posted... Yeah LOL like i might have just said the black comment was bad but like i never post about the dude. Are you okay? iiaattgg 5/6/2020 2:34:47 PM#193 I mean I think she would be a better choice for our country than Joe Biden you're denying that you posted this? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939688967] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>iiaattgg posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah LOL like i might have just said the black comment was bad but like i never post about the dude. Are you okay?</quote> <quote>iiaattgg 5/6/2020 2:34:47 PM#193 I mean I think she would be a better choice for our country than Joe Biden</quote> you're denying that you posted this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/25/20 2:33:43 PM #379:	who is the she in that post without context that barely even reads as negative about Biden, its just positive about someone else --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939689138] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>who is the she in that post without context that barely even reads as negative about Biden, its just positive about someone else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 2:38:35 PM #380:	sess said "i never post about the dude." i just cited a post where he did, in fact, post about the dude. why are you defending him? (the "she" was hillary) --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939689338] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>sess said "i never post about the dude." i just cited a post where he did, in fact, post about the dude. why are you defending him? (the "she" was hillary) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 2:39:22 PM #381:	My boy went back like 3 weeks to find one side comment i made to justify some minor point in a silly meaningless argument I miss the asset forfeiture talk yall were having --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939689379] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>My boy went back like 3 weeks to find one side comment i made to justify some minor point in a silly meaningless argument I miss the asset forfeiture talk yall were having </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 2:40:58 PM #382:	fuck off --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939689445] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>fuck off </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 2:41:06 PM #383:	And yeah, that was less negative biden and more pro hillary You should go back and see who i voted for in my primary since you care about this so much. It might surprise yoy --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939689454] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>And yeah, that was less negative biden and more pro hillary You should go back and see who i voted for in my primary since you care about this so much. It might surprise yoy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 2:43:12 PM #384:	Mr Lasastryke posted... fuck off Im not entirely sure why you are acting this way. All i said was the argument was boring and you blew a freaking gasket I repeatedly apologize for past behavior and try to extend the olive branch but you just choose to be a fucking dick all the time man --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939689540] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>fuck off</quote>Im not entirely sure why you are acting this way. All i said was the argument was boring and you blew a freaking gasket I repeatedly apologize for past behavior and try to extend the olive branch but you just choose to be a fucking dick all the time man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/25/20 2:43:32 PM #385:	Mr Lasastryke posted... sess said "i never post about the dude." i just cited a post where he did, in fact, post about the dude. why are you defending him? (the "she" was hillary) because the first thing you said that lead us here was its a lot more interesting than your attacks on biden so I kind of figured you would pull up one of those attacks showing that he has not literally never mentioned Biden isnt the impressive gotcha you seem to think it is. he obviously wasnt using the word never completely literally --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939689554] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>sess said "i never post about the dude." i just cited a post where he did, in fact, post about the dude. why are you defending him? (the "she" was hillary) </quote> because the first thing you said that lead us here was its a lot more interesting than your attacks on biden so I kind of figured you would pull up one of those attacks showing that he has not literally never mentioned Biden isnt the impressive gotcha you seem to think it is. he obviously wasnt using the word never completely literally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 2:50:17 PM #386:	iiaattgg posted... Im not entirely sure why you are acting this way. All i said was the argument was boring and you blew a freaking gasket I repeatedly apologize for past behavior and try to extend the olive branch but you just choose to be a fucking dick all the time man oh, give me a fucking break. first you go "i never post about biden! ARE YOU OKAY?" as if i'm some crazy person who's hallucinating that you made posts about biden in the past. then i go searching in my archive for posts you made about biden (which isn't something i greatly enjoy doing or anything) and find an example, and instead of saying "oh looks like my post was totally wrong sorry," you go "MY BOY [which is condescending] went back 3 weeks to find a post CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ASSET FORFEITURE TALK PLEASE THESE LASA POSTS ARE SO TERRIBLE." you're creating a pointless argument by being objectively wrong and then you complain that said argument sucks. and then I'M the "fucking dick." sure. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939689805] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>iiaattgg posted... </cite> <quote>Im not entirely sure why you are acting this way. All i said was the argument was boring and you blew a freaking gasket I repeatedly apologize for past behavior and try to extend the olive branch but you just choose to be a fucking dick all the time man</quote> oh, give me a fucking break. first you go "i never post about biden! ARE YOU OKAY?" as if i'm some crazy person who's hallucinating that you made posts about biden in the past. then i go searching in my archive for posts you made about biden (which isn't something i greatly enjoy doing or anything) and find an example, and instead of saying "oh looks like my post was totally wrong sorry," you go "MY BOY [which is condescending] went back 3 weeks to find a post CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ASSET FORFEITURE TALK PLEASE THESE LASA POSTS ARE SO TERRIBLE." you're creating a pointless argument by being objectively wrong and then you complain that said argument sucks. and then I'M the "fucking dick." sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 2:51:52 PM #387:	MoogleKupo141 posted... he obviously wasnt using the word never completely literally spoilers: he made way more posts about biden than just that one. i could look for more in my archive but it would save us all a lot of time if sess would just admit that he's talking out of his ass for no reason, apologize and move on. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939689875] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>he obviously wasnt using the word never completely literally</quote> spoilers: he made way more posts about biden than just that one. i could look for more in my archive but it would save us all a lot of time if sess would just admit that he's talking out of his ass for no reason, apologize and move on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 05/25/20 2:54:32 PM #388:	Oh god. Lasa is being an unpleasant person take #879. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:939689997] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Oh god. Lasa is being an unpleasant person take #879. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 2:59:25 PM #389:	Corrik7 posted... Oh god. Lasa is being an unpleasant person take #879. shut up douchebag --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939690180] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh god. Lasa is being an unpleasant person take #879.</quote> shut up douchebag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 3:00:16 PM #390:	Mr Lasastryke posted... oh, give me a fucking break. first you go "i never post about biden! ARE YOU OKAY?" as if i'm some crazy person who's hallucinating that you made posts about biden in the past. then i go searching in my archive for posts you made about biden (which isn't something i greatly enjoy doing or anything) and find an example, and instead of saying "oh looks like my post was totally wrong sorry," you go "MY BOY [which is condescending] went back 3 weeks to find a post CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ASSET FORFEITURE TALK PLEASE THESE LASA POSTS ARE SO TERRIBLE." you're creating a pointless argument by being objectively wrong and then you complain that said argument sucks. and then I'M the "fucking dick." sure. I hate to break it to you man but you are sounding like a lunatic I dont post about biden here. You think i do because you have a crazy hatred of me. You had to go back three weeks to find some side comment that was not even negative about him. You took a potshot at me for no reason, and instesd of just saying "my bad i was being a dick" you double down and act like more of one. I hope the rest of the topic sees whats going on here, its pretty clear that you went off the rails here --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939690212] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>oh, give me a fucking break. first you go "i never post about biden! ARE YOU OKAY?" as if i'm some crazy person who's hallucinating that you made posts about biden in the past. then i go searching in my archive for posts you made about biden (which isn't something i greatly enjoy doing or anything) and find an example, and instead of saying "oh looks like my post was totally wrong sorry," you go "MY BOY [which is condescending] went back 3 weeks to find a post CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ASSET FORFEITURE TALK PLEASE THESE LASA POSTS ARE SO TERRIBLE." you're creating a pointless argument by being objectively wrong and then you complain that said argument sucks. and then I'M the "fucking dick." sure.</quote>I hate to break it to you man but you are sounding like a lunatic I dont post about biden here. You think i do because you have a crazy hatred of me. You had to go back three weeks to find some side comment that was not even negative about him. You took a potshot at me for no reason, and instesd of just saying "my bad i was being a dick" you double down and act like more of one. I hope the rest of the topic sees whats going on here, its pretty clear that you went off the rails here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/25/20 3:01:18 PM #391:	Lasa: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LaRBGBHsjU8 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:939690260] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Lasa: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LaRBGBHsjU8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 05/25/20 3:01:37 PM #392:	Jakyl25 posted... Does the Libertarian Party think theres more potential in converting Republicans, or converting non-voters? converting Democrats, actually --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:939690276] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Does the Libertarian Party think theres more potential in converting Republicans, or converting non-voters?</quote> converting Democrats, actually </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/25/20 3:01:39 PM #393:	Mr Lasastryke posted... spoilers: he made way more posts about biden than just that one. i could look for more in my archive but it would save us all a lot of time if sess would just admit that he's talking out of his ass for no reason, apologize and move on. you found a post from like three weeks ago. If hes posting about Biden like once every three weeks that is very infrequent maybe slightly downplaying how often he mentions joe Biden in a post isnt something he needs to apologize for, it could not possibly matter less. you could save yourself the time of looking into the archive by not caring about this because its silly and meaningless. Im a pretty objective observer here and you look worse than him in this interaction to me. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939690277] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote> spoilers: he made way more posts about biden than just that one. i could look for more in my archive but it would save us all a lot of time if sess would just admit that he's talking out of his ass for no reason, apologize and move on. </quote> you found a post from like three weeks ago. If hes posting about Biden like once every three weeks that is very infrequent maybe slightly downplaying how often he mentions joe Biden in a post isnt something he needs to apologize for, it could not possibly matter less. you could save yourself the time of looking into the archive by not caring about this because its silly and meaningless. Im a pretty objective observer here and you look worse than him in this interaction to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 3:02:41 PM #394:	Mr Lasastryke posted... spoilers: he made way more posts about biden than just that one. i could look for more in my archive but it would save us all a lot of time if sess would just admit that he's talking out of his ass for no reason, apologize and move on. I said that the black comment was disgusting and that hillary would have been a better option (which wasnt even meant to be anti biden, just that she would have been a better president). Other than that? I cant recall. I may have when he said something weird, but nothing stands out. Again i encourage you to go see who i voted for in the primary. You are embarrassing yourself here --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939690317] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>spoilers: he made way more posts about biden than just that one. i could look for more in my archive but it would save us all a lot of time if sess would just admit that he's talking out of his ass for no reason, apologize and move on.</quote>I said that the black comment was disgusting and that hillary would have been a better option (which wasnt even meant to be anti biden, just that she would have been a better president). Other than that? I cant recall. I may have when he said something weird, but nothing stands out. Again i encourage you to go see who i voted for in the primary. You are embarrassing yourself here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 05/25/20 3:04:27 PM #395:	Lasa I think isn't good with norms of society, iiaattgg. Not sure he can help the way he acts. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:939690390] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Lasa I think isn't good with norms of society, iiaattgg. Not sure he can help the way he acts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/25/20 3:05:56 PM #396:	I mean I dont know if its because English isnt your native language or what, but it seems like you took him saying I never post about Biden to mean I have never posted about Biden, but its meant to convey posting about Biden is not something I generally do. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:939690447] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>I mean I dont know if its because English isnt your native language or what, but it seems like you took him saying I never post about Biden to mean I have never posted about Biden, but its meant to convey posting about Biden is not something I generally do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 3:05:56 PM #397:	MoogleKupo141 posted... you found a post from like three weeks ago. If hes posting about Biden like once every three weeks that is very infrequent maybe slightly downplaying how often he mentions joe Biden in a post isnt something he needs to apologize for, it could not possibly matter less. you could save yourself the time of looking into the archive by not caring about this because its silly and meaningless. Im a pretty objective observer here and you look worse than him in this interaction to me. "sess made a post that was wrong. you pointed out how he was wrong. you look worse than him." you're full of shit on this one. i expected better from you. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939690448] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>you found a post from like three weeks ago. If hes posting about Biden like once every three weeks that is very infrequent maybe slightly downplaying how often he mentions joe Biden in a post isnt something he needs to apologize for, it could not possibly matter less. you could save yourself the time of looking into the archive by not caring about this because its silly and meaningless. Im a pretty objective observer here and you look worse than him in this interaction to me.</quote> "sess made a post that was wrong. you pointed out how he was wrong. you look worse than him." you're full of shit on this one. i expected better from you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 3:06:37 PM #398:	Corrik7 posted... Lasa I think isn't good with norms of society, iiaattgg. Not sure he can help the way he acts. Heres the thing. I have been a big dick to the guy for many years. I apologized. If he doesnt want to talk to me, i understand. If he wants to ignore me, thats his right. If he wants to call me names and flame me, sure i deserve it. But this kinda act does him more harm than good --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939690482] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Lasa I think isn't good with norms of society, iiaattgg. Not sure he can help the way he acts.</quote>Heres the thing. I have been a big dick to the guy for many years. I apologized. If he doesnt want to talk to me, i understand. If he wants to ignore me, thats his right. If he wants to call me names and flame me, sure i deserve it. But this kinda act does him more harm than good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 3:07:19 PM #399:	MoogleKupo141 posted... I mean I dont know if its because English isnt your native language or what, but it seems like you took him saying I never post about Biden to mean I have never posted about Biden, but its meant to convey posting about Biden is not something I generally do. Bingo --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939690510] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean I dont know if its because English isnt your native language or what, but it seems like you took him saying I never post about Biden to mean I have never posted about Biden, but its meant to convey posting about Biden is not something I generally do.</quote>Bingo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 05/25/20 3:08:04 PM #400:	iiaattgg posted... Heres the thing. I have been a big dick to the guy for many years. I apologized. If he doesnt want to talk to me, i understand. If he wants to ignore me, thats his right. If he wants to call me names and flame me, sure i deserve it. But this kinda act does him more harm than good He is like this to everyone. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:939690538] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>iiaattgg posted... </cite> <quote>Heres the thing. I have been a big dick to the guy for many years. I apologized. If he doesnt want to talk to me, i understand. If he wants to ignore me, thats his right. If he wants to call me names and flame me, sure i deserve it. But this kinda act does him more harm than good</quote>He is like this to everyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/25/20 3:08:34 PM #401:	Mr Lasastryke posted... "sess made a post that was wrong. you pointed out how he was wrong. you look worse than him." you're full of shit on this one. i expected better from you. I dont think people are concerned about the content of the argument as we sre you acting like a total moonman --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:939690556] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>"sess made a post that was wrong. you pointed out how he was wrong. you look worse than him." you're full of shit on this one. i expected better from you.</quote> I dont think people are concerned about the content of the argument as we sre you acting like a total moonman </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/25/20 3:12:46 PM #402:	MoogleKupo141 posted... I mean I dont know if its because English isnt your native language or what, but it seems like you took him saying I never post about Biden to mean I have never posted about Biden, but its meant to convey posting about Biden is not something I generally do. ok but why does it matter if he generally posts about biden? i never claimed every politics topic is filled with sess posts about biden. one of the first things i said during this argument was "i didn't say he attacked biden much." --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:939690732] in Politics C... [t:78702875]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean I dont know if its because English isnt your native language or what, but it seems like you took him saying I never post about Biden to mean I have never posted about Biden, but its meant to convey posting about Biden is not something I generally do.</quote> ok but why does it matter if he generally posts about biden? i never claimed every politics topic is filled with sess posts about biden. one of the first things i said during this argument was "i didn't say he attacked biden much." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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