Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1329

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Advokaiser
03/26/20 9:45:45 PM
#51:


MechanicalWall posted...
He was saying HK was the one that gets mentioned all the time

Huh...

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MoogleKupo141
03/26/20 9:50:00 PM
#52:


SirRobX posted...

I'm using the GameFAQs community for my comparison, truth is I didn't research actual game sales data. I'm impressed that the game did that well. On GameFAQs though, Berseria was played by more people (about 1000 more) and the board is massive in comparison to Hollow Knight's--

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/switch/204582-hollow-knight
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps4/167071-tales-of-berseria

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/204582-hollow-knight
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/167071-tales-of-berseria


I dont think that gamefaqs collection data is worth much to begin with (who even uses that feature?), but youre only looking at one platform for Hollow Knight. It has another ~750ish owners if you factor the non-Switch versions.
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MechanicalWall
03/26/20 9:52:08 PM
#53:


There are indie games in this bracket like Edith Finch that seem to be the model a lot of people assumed every indie game fell under: critically acclaimed but no one played them so who gives a damn

Indies like Cuphead Hollow Knight and Undertale are very clearly more than just a cut above that; they're heavy presences in their own right, and thanks to their low price tags have pretty good play rates and sales. Those games probably sold better than a lot of the upper middle weights in bracket (in terms of contest strength) like DQXI and FE3H

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LusterSoldier
03/26/20 9:52:40 PM
#54:


This is the most interesting registered/anonymous user voting split from the first hour of votes:

Hollow Knight vs. Tales of Berseria
Registered Vote Result:
Hollow Knight - 748 (66.55%)
Tales of Berseria - 372 (33.10%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Hollow Knight - 336 (59.05%)
Tales of Berseria - 237 (41.65%)

Though the sample size is kind of small, which can skew things a bit. Obviously this can change quite a bit before the end of the match.
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Lightning Strikes
03/26/20 9:54:09 PM
#55:


I dont think being non-Square is damning these days, Square arent the kings of RPGs these days and have probably been replaced by Sony as the dominant non-Nintendo force in this contest.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
03/26/20 9:55:04 PM
#56:


lol fails

Did people seriously pick a third tier <i>Tales</i> game to beat a beloved Metroidvania?

For those that haven't played it, Hollow Knight is fantastic

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KamikazePotato
03/26/20 9:55:07 PM
#57:


MechanicalWall posted...
Indies like Cuphead Hollow Knight and Undertale are very clearly more than just a cut above that; they're heavy presences in their own right, and thanks to their low price tags have pretty good play rates and sales. Those games probably sold better than a lot of the upper middle weights in bracket (in terms of contest strength) like DQXI and FE3H

Undertale and Shovel Knight have each sold at least 4 million copies. Cuphead is over 5 million. When you take out Japan's sales, Three Houses and DQ11 struggle to clear 2 million.

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SirRobX
03/26/20 9:57:29 PM
#58:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I dont think that gamefaqs collection data is worth much to begin with (who even uses that feature?), but youre only looking at one platform for Hollow Knight. It has another ~750ish owners if you factor the non-Switch versions.
It's the same with Berseria which has another 560 owners on alternate platforms.

I think lots of folks would scoff at that metric, but I think it's pretty good at revealing a game's popularity. The popular games will generally have higher numbers than the less popular ones. I've used it to help decide some of the matches that I was totally in the dark for.

Funnily I didn't use it for this matchup since I assumed Berseria would win it easily

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Raka_Putra
03/26/20 9:59:24 PM
#59:


I wasn't aware the contest has started.
Having the polls on top of every page (or at least more than the home page), or at least an announcement, might be nice.

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LeonhartFour
03/26/20 9:59:57 PM
#60:


Raka_Putra posted...
at least an announcement

it's been announced for like the last two weeks

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DoctorJimmy133
03/26/20 10:04:46 PM
#61:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
Since it's a new topic, can anyone else think of what the numbers for the match pics might be?

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/107502.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/107502.png

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/490219.png
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https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/43545.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/43545.png

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/306210.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/306210.png

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/26746.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/26746.png

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/373088.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/373088.png

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/448603.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/448603.png

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-back/437104.png
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-logo/437104.png

Also, there's a lot of these back images that's cropped on the actual site. Bizarre.
These numbers seem to correlate with announcement date. The lowest number is FFXV which was announced as FFXIII Versus way back in the day. Halo: Reach is second lowest as it came out in 2010. Third lowest is BotW which was announced quite a long time before it came out in 2017. Outer Worlds is the newest game, and it has the highest number.

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Raka_Putra
03/26/20 10:04:48 PM
#62:


LeonhartFour posted...
it's been announced for like the last two weeks
I meant like even a strip on top of the page like that "Which of the 128 games will win Game of the Decade? Enter your bracket now!" thing we had for...yeah, two weeks.

Changing it to "Game of the Decade contest has started. Cast your vote now!" or something like that wouldn't been too hard technically, I imagine.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
03/26/20 10:05:35 PM
#63:


I think the real story today is what an absolute egg Halo is laying here. Given a less predictable placement, I might have lost points on Halo. Luckily it has one of the most set in stone paths in the contest.

But seriously, who besides former Tumblr blogger actually played or enjoyed Life is Strange? Did all the Tumblrinas come to GameFAQs when their platform was shut down unceremoniously?

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Lightning Strikes
03/26/20 10:06:12 PM
#64:


KamikazePotato posted...
Undertale and Shovel Knight have each sold at least 4 million copies. Cuphead is over 5 million. When you take out Japan's sales, Three Houses and DQ11 struggle to clear 2 million.

Three Houses is also still new, it should get to around 4 million eventually.

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FFDragon
03/26/20 10:06:41 PM
#65:


Life is Strange is great, snowflake.

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LeonhartFour
03/26/20 10:07:03 PM
#66:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I think the real story today is what an absolute egg Halo is laying here.

not really

Halo 1 was bad in 2015, and Halo is always bad when Xbox interest is low, and this site doesn't care about the Xbone

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MechanicalWall
03/26/20 10:07:42 PM
#68:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
But seriously, who besides former Tumblr blogger actually played or enjoyed Life is Strange?
I did and it's probably my personal GotD

Besides that it scored GotY awards in the year Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 AND Bloodborne AND MGSV came out. It's sold millions of copies, it's not some obscure title

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KamikazePotato
03/26/20 10:08:27 PM
#69:


Lightning Strikes posted...
Three Houses is also still new, it should get to around 4 million eventually.
Not before this contest is over, though!

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Thenenen
03/26/20 10:10:07 PM
#70:


What were FE16's sales like compared to every other JRPG in this contest?

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MoogleKupo141
03/26/20 10:10:18 PM
#71:


yes I have friends who like LiS and have never been tumblr users

Also I watched a full play through of it on Giantbomb and enjoyed it and I have never been a tumblr person either.
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BlAcK TuRtLe
03/26/20 10:10:31 PM
#72:


I almost took Bastion over DQ11, after seeing HK lay a beating on an obscure JRPG, I'm wondering if switching to DQ11 was a mistake.

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LordOfDabu
03/26/20 10:11:24 PM
#73:


I wonder how well a bracket based purely on game sales would do.

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MechanicalWall
03/26/20 10:12:20 PM
#74:


LordOfDabu posted...
I wonder how well a bracket based purely on game sales would do.
Minecraft and GTAV roflstomp

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Lightning Strikes
03/26/20 10:12:32 PM
#75:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I think the real story today is what an absolute egg Halo is laying here. Given a less predictable placement, I might have lost points on Halo. Luckily it has one of the most set in stone paths in the contest.

But seriously, who besides former Tumblr blogger actually played or enjoyed Life is Strange? Did all the Tumblrinas come to GameFAQs when their platform was shut down unceremoniously?

Me and a lot of other B8ers. Its s great game that was widely acclaimed. This is a solid but unremarkable Halo performance, especially given how far the franchise has fallen. Also wouldnt this mean like 40% on Fallout 3?

Then again you said Tumblrinas unironically so what am I even doing responding.

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03/26/20 10:13:01 PM
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Leonhart4
03/26/20 10:18:14 PM
#77:


Lightning Strikes posted...
Me and a lot of other B8ers. Its s great game that was widely acclaimed. This is a solid but unremarkable Halo performance, especially given how far the franchise has fallen. Also wouldnt this mean like 40% on Fallout 3?

Then again you said Tumblrinas unironically so what am I even doing responding.

No, because Fallout 3 was quadrupling LiS before the Undertale rally started

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scaryice
03/26/20 10:18:28 PM
#78:


MechanicalWall posted...
There are indie games in this bracket like Edith Finch that seem to be the model a lot of people assumed every indie game fell under: critically acclaimed but no one played them so who gives a damn

I bet a decent amount of people here have played Edith Finch. It was free on PS+, and according to the polls, 40% of Gamefaqs voters have PS+.

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MechanicalWall
03/26/20 10:22:28 PM
#79:


scaryice posted...
I bet a decent amount of people here have played Edith Finch. It was free on PS+, and according to the polls, 40% of Gamefaqs voters have PS+.
I mean, I did. I even paid for it before it was free lol.

I wonder if there are any stats of how many people download those games when they're on PS+, and then how many of them actually play them. Even if it's free a lot of people might not bother downloading a game they have no interest in.

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LordOfDabu
03/26/20 10:22:59 PM
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I enjoyed Life is Strange, but mostly because I streamed it and had people on discord laughing at / commenting on the plot and the questionable decisions I was making. I don't think I would have enjoyed it as much as a strictly single player game. It had a lot of weird game decisions, like the bottle hunting in the junkyard for no reason that did nothing but waste your time.

Also, I'm one of those people who only played Edith Finch due to it being on PS+.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
03/26/20 10:24:27 PM
#81:


scaryice posted...
I bet a decent amount of people here have played Edith Finch. It was free on PS+, and according to the polls, 40% of Gamefaqs voters have PS+.
I have PS+, I "bought" it, but never bothered downloading. I'm positive I'm in the majority

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ninkendo
03/26/20 10:24:49 PM
#82:


I played through it and I never play through walking simulators

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Yuri_LowelI
03/26/20 10:25:06 PM
#83:


KamikazePotato posted...
Undertale and Shovel Knight have each sold at least 4 million copies. Cuphead is over 5 million. When you take out Japan's sales, Three Houses and DQ11 struggle to clear 2 million.

those are full 60 dollar games. Cuphead was and has been free on xbox for years

also both Dq11 and TH would beat every one of those games in this contest

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Yuri_LowelI
03/26/20 10:26:13 PM
#84:


scaryice posted...
I bet a decent amount of people here have played Edith Finch. It was free on PS+, and according to the polls, 40% of Gamefaqs voters have PS+.

played or beat? I played EF when it was free on games pass. Stopped after 2 hours because it was boring As fuck

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MechanicalWall
03/26/20 10:27:44 PM
#85:


LordOfDabu posted...
like the bottle hunting in the junkyard for no reason that did nothing but waste your time.
Usually fetch quests like that in these kinds of games are to get you to explore and interact with the environment, hearing all of Max's thoughts and reading the flavor text.

But yah that was one of the more tedious examples of that sort of game design, and the game even mocks that quest in episode 5

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gamer man
03/26/20 10:29:14 PM
#86:


oh wow velvet is taking the shaft from that little beetle thing cool beans
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Leonhart4
03/26/20 10:41:00 PM
#87:


I've played Edith Finch. Still voted for FFXV

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HaRRicH
03/26/20 10:41:42 PM
#88:


2/4 today. Ah well.

Hollow Knight is the surprise here. I don't think HK is that great but it's clearly got a fanbase. I don't expect it to be among the strongest of indie games, but it's reasonable to see it have a chance to be in conversations about that next tier of them. For me, I see its strongest correlating game with Shovel Knight -- nevermind the indy-part and Knight-part, they're both eponymous Kickstarter games with some depth in its other characters, encouraged exploration, had ongoing support, and featured distinct art styles. They are both near the top for indy successes in recent years too, broadly speaking.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
03/26/20 10:43:55 PM
#89:


Shovel Knight was always making round 2, I think the more interesting parallel is with Ori.

As someone who pretty much nailed HK in my Oracle, Ori will lose but Shovel Knight will win.

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HaRRicH
03/26/20 10:48:17 PM
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Ori's in an interesting position for an x-factor with its sequel releasing a few days ago.

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LadyVyxx
03/26/20 10:51:14 PM
#91:


HaRRicH posted...
Ori's in an interesting position for an x-factor with its sequel releasing a few days ago.

Also the original being available on the switch for a while certainly helps its chances
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snake_5036
03/26/20 10:53:01 PM
#92:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
theres a solid chance Hollow Knight has outsold every game in the Tales series.
The most I can find is 2013/2014 where Bamco said Symphonia was the most successful (around like 1.5 million or some such at that time). Since then I think Berseria and Zestiria also surpassed 1 million sales. Hollow Knight has definitely outsold every game in the series.

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Raka_Putra
03/26/20 10:54:31 PM
#93:


Well, at least it doesn't beat the Tales sales combined.

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Yuri_LowelI
03/26/20 10:57:41 PM
#94:


LadyVyxx posted...
Also the original being available on the switch for a while certainly helps its chances

anything released on switch helps its chances.

For Oris sake..thats the only thing it goes by because noone(apart from me and maybe 2 people on this board) even played it originally on Xbox.

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ninkendo
03/26/20 10:58:56 PM
#95:


The take away from this contest is going to end up being is this game on switch or not

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snake_5036
03/26/20 11:02:24 PM
#96:


ninkendo posted...
The take away from this contest is going to end up being is this game on switch or not


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Yuri_LowelI
03/26/20 11:09:25 PM
#97:


ninkendo posted...
The take away from this contest is going to end up being is this game on switch or not

Which is a great shame Persona 5 isn't. Had that been on switch I think a BOTW/Persona 5 final was a real possibility.

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Yuri_LowelI
03/26/20 11:13:30 PM
#98:


Aso who actually had Beseria>HK

Just going over my main bracket and secondary fun bracket where i pick the other "debatable pick" and both i have HK. I'm not a guru or anything i've ony finished in overall top 10 once back in 2006. But Beseria had no chance to beat HK. And i don't see many people picked it

This isn't Persona 4 GTA because i suspect a lot of people picked Persona.

Not me though i have RDR beating both persona and GTA.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
03/26/20 11:13:32 PM
#99:


Yuri_LowelI posted...
Which is a great shame Persona 5 isn't. Had that been on switch I think a BOTW/Persona 5 final was a real possibility.

lol

Am I the only person on Board 8 that doesn't own a Switch, and has no interest in one?

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Yuri_LowelI
03/26/20 11:16:02 PM
#100:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
lol

Am I the only person on Board 8 that doesn't own a Switch, and has no interest in one?

I barely play the switch, I haven't turned it on swince beat DQXIS. I have 0 interest in Animal Crossing, but clearly its a hugely popular platform right now that everyone goes nuts over. Even when a medicore port comes over they go gaga

But I also didn't have time to beat Persona 5 back in the day because that game was 100 hours and i spent most of my time away from home.

You can talk about your Skyrims and Witchers all day long...those games went through significant downgrades to be on Switch visually. Persona 5 is tailor made for switch. A 100 hour turn based JRPG that a PS3 can run.

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