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Emeraldegg
03/18/20 2:28:33 PM
#102:


SockoressKnight posted...

It didn't look good before Rivera got fired, and none of those moves were the result of the firing.

I know you aren't a ron fan, and I was partly being not serious about it. I don't actually think ron leaving impacted these moves.

I do however, disagree that things already looked bad. This was a good team until Cam went down. The defense was solid, and we finally had receivers and a stud RB. The big question was always going to be cam's health, but I would have liked to give it another shot with Cam potentially being healthy. Instead, tepper treated this team as being beyond saving and fired Ron for circumstances beyond his control.

I understand there are cap considerations here, and it's not as though they're gutting the team. We could still compete if bridgewater is for real. But I am more talking about the trends tepper has shown in his time with the team. Firing ron when it was undeserved (imo), rubbing Greg Olsen the wrong way (Greg came out on twitter after newton's comments and basically said, "yeah sounds right for that FO" so it's obvious he had a bone to pick too), and now basically leading cam on and implying that as long as Cam was healthy, he'd be the guy, then going out and signing a guy to take the spot from him. Also, I don't like the rhule hiring personally, so it's all these things that contribute to why I'm not sold on this current FO thus far.

Edit: in the interest of fairness, one point in their favor is that they did sign Reid in the first place despite the potential backlash that could have accompanied it, so they have that in their favor.
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SockoressKnight
03/18/20 3:53:55 PM
#103:


Emeraldegg posted...
I know you aren't a ron fan, and I was partly being not serious about it. I don't actually think ron leaving impacted these moves.

I do however, disagree that things already looked bad. This was a good team until Cam went down. The defense was solid, and we finally had receivers and a stud RB. The big question was always going to be cam's health, but I would have liked to give it another shot with Cam potentially being healthy. Instead, tepper treated this team as being beyond saving and fired Ron for circumstances beyond his control.

I understand there are cap considerations here, and it's not as though they're gutting the team. We could still compete if bridgewater is for real. But I am more talking about the trends tepper has shown in his time with the team. Firing ron when it was undeserved (imo), rubbing Greg Olsen the wrong way (Greg came out on twitter after newton's comments and basically said, "yeah sounds right for that FO" so it's obvious he had a bone to pick too), and now basically leading cam on and implying that as long as Cam was healthy, he'd be the guy, then going out and signing a guy to take the spot from him. Also, I don't like the rhule hiring personally, so it's all these things that contribute to why I'm not sold on this current FO thus far.

Edit: in the interest of fairness, one point in their favor is that they did sign Reid in the first place despite the potential backlash that could have accompanied it, so they have that in their favor.
That's fair. Seems like it's just a matter of differing opinions.

I'm not a Ron fan, but I don't hate him (contrary to my posts in the B8NFLL topic). I wasn't actively wanting him to be fired, but I'm not sad he's gone. I don't believe the team had an advantage with him as coach, but his record wasn't bad enough where he had to go. Given how quickly he was hired by the Redskins, the league clearly values him. Unfortunately, he was tied to Newton, and I firmly believe he is done. Three years of "if Cam was healthy" talk really annoyed me.


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Emeraldegg
03/18/20 4:40:48 PM
#104:


Yeah I get the tiredness of cam being healthy question. The way I look at it though, the injuries he sustained aren't related, it's not like it's been a chronic problem. First it was the shoulder, that's tough, but hey he had all offseason. And his shoulder was fine when he returned. Then it was the foot, which could have been possibly avoided had he been honest and not tried to play through it, he might have only missed some of the season. But all signs pointed to his rehab having gone well, so I was willing to give it one more shot. With Cam, I don't feel that either of the injuries suffered warrant him being labeled "injury-prone," one more would probably do it for me but...I guess we'll see, wherever he goes.

Also part of my love of Ron goes back to when he nearly got fired earlier in his tenure. He was super conservative and people hated it, but he did what a lot of coaches refuse to do and...changed. He reinvented himself for the better. Riverboat Ron made the right gambles, regardless of if he won or lost them. So it left me reassured that we had a guy who was willing to change what he was doing if it wasn't working. Tepper just strikes me as a typical "We won't accept failure" guy who doesn't care if the failures were flukes, just that they happened. "Someone MUST be punished for failure" even if it's just bad luck. I just don't like that type of guy.
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ShatteredElysium
03/19/20 9:21:40 AM
#105:


Darius Slay traded to the Eagles
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Emeraldegg
03/19/20 3:49:38 PM
#106:


Rams to release Todd Gurley
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davidponte
03/19/20 3:53:40 PM
#107:


Lol rams

Remember that time they only scored 3 points in the super bowl
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VeryInsane
03/19/20 4:24:09 PM
#108:


Sean Payton tested positive for coronavirus

well I guess he was the last I expected to be the first one to test positive

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Reg
03/19/20 4:36:02 PM
#109:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Darius Slay traded to the Eagles
Fuck

Emeraldegg posted...
Rams to release Todd Gurley
Wut
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Reg
03/19/20 4:39:47 PM
#110:


Seriously weren't there trade rumors around Gurley? Did all of those fall through today? Why cut him?
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Emeraldegg
03/19/20 4:44:53 PM
#111:


maybe they couldn't find any takers

panthers going to release cam BTW
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mccheyne
03/19/20 5:13:55 PM
#112:


Cam going straight to the Chargers. Dark horse to sign him is New England though. There was a rumour STILL linking Chicago to him, but i dont think thats even feasible, for multiple reasons.

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LeonhartFour
03/19/20 7:02:11 PM
#113:


hi guys

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/3/2005 11:51:03 AM | Message Detail
I detest, and I meant detest the Patriots

bye guys

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davidponte
03/20/20 8:15:36 AM
#114:


Gurley to the Falcons

Cam now among the favorites to be the Pats starting QB according to the betting odds
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xp1337
03/20/20 10:14:14 AM
#115:


Flacco cut by the Broncos with a failed physical.

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Emeraldegg
03/20/20 10:28:19 AM
#116:


oh my god

If cam goes to the pats i might explode
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davidponte
03/20/20 1:53:35 PM
#117:


Jameis > Cam , come on Bill I believe.

Looks like Melvin Gordon is going to the Broncos. Not like they don't already have a whole bunch of RB, right?
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Reg
03/20/20 1:56:05 PM
#118:


davidponte posted...
Gurley to the Falcons

Cam now among the favorites to be the Pats starting QB according to the betting odds
This would be legit interesting if the man had knees
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HanOfTheNekos
03/20/20 2:21:34 PM
#119:


I'm feeling okay about the way the Bills are playing this offseason?

I mean, I have such serious doubts about Josh Allen, but if they're sticking with him, at least they're making solid moves? Pick up a HIGH profile receiver, and stick with the young talent they have otherwise. Singletary has a lot of promise, so not getting into the RB market is fine, and I guess Josh Allen is safer to stick with than to pick up a QB such as Rivers, Cam, Jameis, etc...

tho maybe I'd have taken Keenum

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Reg
03/20/20 10:19:06 PM
#120:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I'm feeling okay about the way the Bills are playing this offseason?

I mean, I have such serious doubts about Josh Allen, but if they're sticking with him, at least they're making solid moves? Pick up a HIGH profile receiver, and stick with the young talent they have otherwise. Singletary has a lot of promise, so not getting into the RB market is fine, and I guess Josh Allen is safer to stick with than to pick up a QB such as Rivers, Cam, Jameis, etc...

tho maybe I'd have taken Keenum
Yeah honestly at a glance, I think the Bills are actually the overall on-paper winner of the offseason so far?
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LeonhartFour
03/21/20 1:16:06 AM
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SwiftyDC
03/21/20 3:22:53 AM
#122:


Rooting for Drew Brees to win MVP.

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LeonhartFour
03/22/20 5:44:08 PM
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neonreaper
03/22/20 8:23:25 PM
#124:


What the fuck is happening

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davidponte
03/23/20 5:22:11 AM
#125:


Stidham/Hoyer might be the greatest 1-2 punch the league has ever seen.

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SavageInTheBox
03/23/20 5:40:30 AM
#126:


I'm terrified that the Pats are gonna devote this season to fixing their cap by bottoming out, then ending up with Trevor Lawrence after a 2-14 season and winning 6 more Super Bowls in the next 20 years.

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davidponte
03/23/20 6:32:47 AM
#127:


Terrifying indeed.

My friend is already covering all of his bases when it comes to excuses. With the minuscule chance that Stidham isn't bad, he hit me with, "yeah well it's the system that's been good, not the QBs". When it came to tanking, it was, "BB is too good to tank". Finally, in the event that it does happen, I got, "yeah well they won't get Lawrence".

So I think all of the bases have been covered.

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MZero11
03/23/20 7:58:58 AM
#128:


davidponte posted...
"yeah well it's the system that's been good, not the QBs"

Can't wait for the Bucs to win the Super Bowl and finally put this to rest

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FFDragon
03/23/20 8:08:27 AM
#129:


SavageInTheBox posted...
I'm terrified that the Pats are gonna devote this season to fixing their cap by bottoming out, then ending up with Trevor Lawrence after a 2-14 season and winning 6 more Super Bowls in the next 20 years.

"suck for luck"

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davidponte
03/23/20 8:24:18 AM
#130:


MZero11 posted...
Can't wait for the Bucs to win the Super Bowl and finally put this to rest

I'm not sure old man Brady, the defense, and the coaching have what it takes to pull that off.

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VeryInsane
03/23/20 9:36:01 AM
#131:


Honestly the Pats just don't have the cap space to go after a top tier FA QB

if one was cut it might be easier to get on a lower deal but hm

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SavageInTheBox
03/23/20 1:54:09 PM
#132:


VeryInsane posted...
Honestly the Pats just don't have the cap space to go after a top tier FA QB

if one was cut it might be easier to get on a lower deal but hm

That's why they're gonna go ahead with Stidham I think. Waive all the shitty contracts and be as bad as possible to open up cap space and still end up with a great QB in the draft.

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davidponte
03/23/20 4:08:27 PM
#133:


Pats cut Gostkowski.

I wasn't angry upset about Brady leaving but I'm angry upset about this.

The tank is seemingly on, and they're doing it without all of the fan favorites. Ebner, Harmon, and now Gostkowski gone.
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MysteriousStan
03/23/20 4:17:32 PM
#134:


But you guys resigned Matthew Slater!
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LeonhartFour
03/23/20 4:23:22 PM
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LeonhartFour
03/23/20 4:34:00 PM
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ZeroSignal620
03/23/20 7:48:09 PM
#137:


LeonhartFour posted...
Redskins pick up a Panthers QB

except it's Kyle Allen

Good riddance. We're bound to suck regardless once Cam leaves :(

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KCF0107
03/23/20 7:50:53 PM
#138:


Travis Frederick retired
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LeonhartFour
03/24/20 10:54:37 AM
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davidponte
03/24/20 1:24:23 PM
#140:


LeonhartFour posted...
Panthers expected to release Cam today


From the hospital, I presume.
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Fastbreak
03/24/20 4:54:46 PM
#141:


davidponte posted...
From the hospital, I presume.

The cut was almost as deep as carlona's

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LeonhartFour
03/24/20 5:28:59 PM
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xp1337
03/24/20 5:44:58 PM
#143:


seems like an odd time for the jets to let him go. afraid they could make a play at the division now that brady is gone?

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SavageInTheBox
03/25/20 1:26:37 PM
#144:


They offered him a deal, he took the shorter contract from the Panthers to "bet on himself" and be reunited with Matt Rhule.

Good riddance I say. An overrated one dimensional player and shit tier human.

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Reg
03/27/20 10:52:24 AM
#145:


xp1337 posted...
seems like an odd time for the jets to let him go. afraid they could make a play at the division now that brady is gone?
They probably weren't willing to pay him what he wanted?

Then again, I thought I heard rumors before that they were willing to pay 10m for him and that's basically what he got from Carolina so dunno LOL
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KCF0107
03/27/20 2:57:21 PM
#146:


Michael Brockers is actually not signing with the Ravens and heading back to the Rams
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