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TheRock1525 01/27/20 4:32:29 PM #1: |
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Yes I am sure calling them a whore is way more degrading than treating them like one.@Nelson_Mandela I'm legit curious why you think I'm degrading cammodels or escorts. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 01/27/20 4:34:35 PM #2: |
TheRock1525 posted...
@Nelson_Mandela I'm legit curious why you think I'm degrading cammodels or escorts.You are commodifying a human for sexual gratification. I think this is going to be a short topic because you either believe that is degrading or you don't. FWIW I don't really care that much if you do, but I just find it an odd position to take while also espousing some quasi-new wave feminist beliefs. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lucavi000 01/27/20 4:35:21 PM #3: |
Who degraded who first? Them for doing it willingly or the person paying?
--- "Doesn't matter, still obtainable. You were wrong, simply admit it and apologize for your ignorance and s*** attitude." - Firemage7777 to SuperZay ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 4:37:05 PM #4: |
Nelson_Mandela posted...
You are commodifying a human for sexual gratification.We commodify humans all the time for tasks. Is it degrading to commodify your body to lift heavy objects for the sake of a job? If I work out in a field picking fruits, is that degrading? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Panthera 01/27/20 4:51:43 PM #5: |
This sure is a topic
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X_Dante_X 01/27/20 5:01:42 PM #6: |
who wants my nuts
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ChaosTonyV4 01/27/20 5:05:05 PM #7: |
I had no clue what to expect from that topic title
--- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 5:07:39 PM #8: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I had no clue what to expect from that topic titleSo far nothing much. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 01/27/20 5:14:35 PM #9: |
I am conpletely neutral on this subject so I will act as mediator.
TheRock1525 posted... We commodify humans all the time for tasks. Is it degrading to commodify your body to lift heavy objects for the sake of a job? If I work out in a field picking fruits, is that degrading? Compelling! What is the response!? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 01/27/20 5:22:43 PM #10: |
TheRock1525 posted...
We commodify humans all the time for tasks. Is it degrading to commodify your body to lift heavy objects for the sake of a job? If I work out in a field picking fruits, is that degrading? If people stand around you masturbating while you do it... Possibly. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom Bombadil 01/27/20 5:31:47 PM #11: |
Nelson_Mandela posted...
FWIW I don't really care that much if you do, but I just find it an odd position to take while also espousing some quasi-new wave feminist beliefs. I think I've seen more feminists express support for (safe, consensual, "non-exploitative") sex work than oppose it, fwiw --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aecioo 01/27/20 5:34:36 PM #12: |
X_Dante_X posted...
who wants my nuts --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 01/27/20 5:43:15 PM #13: |
Obellisk posted...
If people stand around you masturbating while you do it... Possibly.But what if that was in the job description before you accepted the job? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 5:45:08 PM #14: |
IfGodCouldDie posted...
But what if that was in the job description before you accepted the job?Not to mention this doesn't make any sense since it generally isn't required in the exchange of money for services. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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charmander6000 01/27/20 5:46:40 PM #15: |
Tom Bombadil posted...
I think I've seen more feminists express support for (safe, consensual, "non-exploitative") sex work than oppose it, fwiw Yeah, giving women the option to do what ever they want to their bodies is a pretty major pillar of feminism The major difference to look out for is whether or not the person is doing it because they want to or because they have to... --- Congratulations to Advokaiser for winning the guru contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MichelBollinger 01/27/20 6:11:09 PM #16: |
I don't know why you would actively go out of your way to engage that person in an argument.
Not going to get into specifics, but my stance on the other "issue" took significant turns towards the negative simply on the basis that said person was so vehemently against discussing it, since that implies to me the claim must have some merit if it's making them mad. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinglicious 01/27/20 6:32:54 PM #17: |
...Well that's one way to prove the issue you care more for.
--- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 01/27/20 6:39:01 PM #18: |
I'm grieving cam models dying in a tragic latex accident so I think you should take this discussion elsewhere.
--- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 01/27/20 7:19:53 PM #19: |
TheRock1525 posted...
We commodify humans all the time for tasks. Is it degrading to commodify your body to lift heavy objects for the sake of a job? If I work out in a field picking fruits, is that degrading?That's just the thing. Society generally views sex differently than any other action. That's why sex crimes are treated different than other violent crimes, it's why prostitution is mostly illegal. It's not really a productive debate to be had because it exists purely on a moral level. I think paying women to take off their clothes on camera while you jerk off is exploitative. It's as simple of that. But while we're all guilty of exploiting women to varying degrees, I just think it's odd to do that while simultaneously white knighting any stranger who claims to be an abuse victim when you very likely are exploiting abuse victims yourself. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 01/27/20 8:07:19 PM #20: |
I'm assuming you hold the same views against strip clubs and pornography in general?
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Nelson_Mandela 01/27/20 8:09:24 PM #21: |
FFDragon posted...
I'm assuming you hold the same views against strip clubs and pornography in general?There are varying degrees of exploitation. I'm guilty of some of the lesser ones, just like we all are. But I'll never pretend like I'm not. Camwhore patronage is probably a bit worse than those two though. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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davidponte 01/27/20 8:09:33 PM #22: |
Is it less exploitative if I only look at their leaked OnlyFans and don't actually pay for it?
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 8:15:29 PM #23: |
Nelson_Mandela posted...
I think paying women to take off their clothes on camera while you jerk off is exploitative. It's as simple of that.How is it exploitative? Exploitative: making use of a situation or treating others unfairly in order to gain an advantage or benefit. Most cammodels are literally working from their own homes, have boyfriends/husbands/kids, work their own hours at their own volition, and are literally working the safest line of sex work. No one is treated "unfairly" as they're allowed to set their own rates, their own rules, their own lines of what they will and will not do, and are protected by websites against anything that would violate those things. Nelson_Mandela posted... But while we're all guilty of exploiting women to varying degrees, I just think it's odd to do that while simultaneously white knighting any stranger who claims to be an abuse victim when you very likely are exploiting abuse victims yourself.You are radically mistaken on the difference between escorting and sex trafficking. Escorts actually personally screen you, generally reserve the right to refuse you service for whatever reason, use websites to share your information to blacklist you if you behave in an inappropriate way, and generally have almost 100% of the control of any encounter with them. I specially only communicate with verified escorts, and have my information uploaded to a database so any woman I communicate with has all my background information, so there is no surprises on either side (not looking like photos, etc). --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 8:15:56 PM #24: |
davidponte posted...
Is it less exploitative if I only look at their leaked OnlyFans and don't actually pay for it?Pay for your porn. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RPGlord95 01/27/20 8:28:56 PM #25: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Pay for your porn.Rock I cannot afford that. YOU KNOW THAT! --- Whiskey Nick on his cell phone "Every man's heart one day beats its final beat." -Warrior ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 8:29:15 PM #26: |
RPGlord95 posted...
Rock I cannot afford that. YOU KNOW THAT!Drink less. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 01/27/20 8:29:46 PM #27: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Pay for your porn. Haha Haha. *deep breath* Hahahahaha --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 8:30:42 PM #28: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Haha Haha.See, this is exploitative. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 01/27/20 8:32:14 PM #29: |
TheRock1525 posted...
See, this is exploitative. Its theft. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 01/27/20 8:33:31 PM #30: |
Paying for porn. Oh god. My sides!
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Dancedreamer 01/27/20 8:38:28 PM #31: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Paying for porn. Oh god. My sides! What do you do for a living? --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MichelBollinger 01/27/20 8:40:32 PM #32: |
While society may have deemed Rock's stance here "extreme", at the end of the day he's completely in the right on his stance.
Laughing at it is really no different than, say, "pay for my cable? Why, when I can just steal it from my neighbor?" Which, admittedly, is a little dated in 2020, but still stands in theory. Like, you ARE stealing, it's not something you can really argue against. You just have to be willing to admit that you're a criminal. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom Bombadil 01/27/20 8:43:28 PM #33: |
you wouldn't DOWNLOAD A GIRL
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DoomTheGyarados 01/27/20 8:44:57 PM #34: |
Dancedreamer posted...
What do you do for a living? Run a small business with a side of television production. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ninkendo 01/27/20 8:45:03 PM #35: |
I want to hear Rock's hot tips and tricks for finding the perfect escort
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Dancedreamer 01/27/20 8:45:59 PM #36: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Run a small business with a side of television production. Cool, so you'll give me free services right? I mean paying for that lol! --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AxemRedRanger 01/27/20 8:47:17 PM #37: |
fight exploitation, wankers of the world unite?
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DoomTheGyarados 01/27/20 8:47:46 PM #38: |
Dancedreamer posted...
Cool, so you'll give me free services right? I mean paying for that lol! Of course. I give people free things all the time, especially board 8ers. But this may be ignoring that web sites that offer free porn make money off of me through advertising. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MichelBollinger 01/27/20 8:49:37 PM #39: |
Oh, maybe the cable thing was a little more on point than I realized, lol.
DoomTheGyarados posted... Of course. I give people free things all the time, especially board 8ers. So you're going to provide all of your services for free then and become a non-profit? Not just B8ers, you no longer charge. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 01/27/20 8:51:00 PM #40: |
Do any of you use adblockers
Shame on you You better give me free stuff It's only fair --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 01/27/20 8:51:52 PM #41: |
TheRock1525 posted...
How is it exploitative?Again, I'm not going to convince you otherwise here and I don't really care to. But you are more likely than not, and obviously unwittingly, taking advantage of a decision that a woman has made due to a history of sexual abuse in order to satisfy your own sexual desires. The statistics of the percentage of porn stars, escorts, and camgirls as sexual abuse survivors is staggering. Again, we all take advantage in some way, but it's important to at least recognize this and not pretend like you're some kind of feminist down for the cause. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 01/27/20 8:52:11 PM #42: |
I have about a billion better things to do than pretend to care what people who pay for porn think about me tbh. Enjoy the topic, folks.
--- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AxemRedRanger 01/27/20 8:54:32 PM #43: |
I spend most of my time at work browsing gamefaqs and similar sites.
but this post I made at home for free you are all welcome. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO Advokaiser NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 01/27/20 8:54:32 PM #44: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
I have about a billion better things to do than pretend to care what people who pay for porn think about me tbh. Enjoy the topic, folks.I bet if Diane Lockhart told you to pay for porn, you'd do it @DoomTheGyarados --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 01/27/20 8:55:36 PM #45: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
I bet if Diane Lockhart told you to pay for porn, you'd do it @DoomTheGyarados D-did she? --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 01/27/20 8:57:17 PM #46: |
What if someone sells their used bath water anonymously and intentionally mislabel it as river water sample? Is that more exploitative to the purveyor or the buyer?
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Dancedreamer 01/27/20 8:58:06 PM #47: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
But this may he ignoring that web sites that offer free porn make money off of me through advertising. Sure they do. But do THEY give money to the content creators? It's very exploitative when the content creators aren't making money off of what they did. They have bills to pay just like everyone else. Some of them even have kids to feed, or pets. And that's how they make their living. People take their content and 'share' it. But they don't just 'share' with one or two people like you'd share a video game you've bought. They share it with thousands of people at once. Which people might think is fine, hey someone paid for it somewhere down the line! It's just sharing! But those people who are 'sharing' are often making their own money off of you in some way or form. Without the content creators making a dime. That's taking money out of their pocket and putting it into their own. Now some sites do pay content creators. But a lot don't. And I don't think its ethical to use sites that don't. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/27/20 8:58:54 PM #48: |
Nelson_Mandela posted...
But you are more likely than not, and obviously unwittingly, taking advantage of a decision that a woman has made due to a history of sexual abuse in order to satisfy your own sexual desires.https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2012.719168 Abuse rates for pornstars as children was 36% compared to 29% for the nonperformers. 7% is not the difference between "normal" and "staggering." --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 01/27/20 8:59:19 PM #49: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
D-did she?No but see you THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MichelBollinger 01/27/20 8:59:56 PM #50: |
DoomTheGyarados posted...
I have about a billion better things to do than pretend to care what people who pay for porn think about me tbh. Enjoy the topic, folks. That's a tapout! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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