Poll of the Day > Child molesters in Alabama will now be chemically castrated, ok?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Why only in Alabama? This should really be a nation wide sensation, ok?

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Sounds like a 'cruel and unusual' punishment if you ask me (not trying to defend anyone here)

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Aculo posted...

Why only in Alabama? This should really be a nation wide sensation, ok?

I actually agree this should be more common.

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joemodda posted...

Sounds like a 'cruel and unusual' punishment if you ask me (not trying to defend anyone here)

Then what punishment would you suggest?

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Does it work, though?

If it doesn't work then it's needless

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Lokarin posted...

Does it work, though?

If it doesn't work then it's needless

Do the current methods work?

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Do the current methods work?

Not sure, do you/we have some charts?

If nothing works, then indefinite incarceration is the only option

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Hopefully cat owners are next.

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Lokarin posted...

Not sure, do you/we have some charts?

If nothing works, then indefinite incarceration is the only option

the death penalty should always be on the table for paedophiles.

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Locke90 posted...

the death penalty should always be on the table for paedophiles.

Philia is not an action. Unless you want to police thoughts.

If someone keeps it to themselves, let them be.

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Lokarin posted...

Philia is not an action. Unless you want to police thoughts.

If someone keeps it to themselves, let them be.

get them some help because theyre sick

before they do end up harming a child

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Lokarin posted...

Not sure, do you/we have some charts?

If nothing works, then indefinite incarceration is the only option

Indefinite incarnation is whats trying to be avoided. I can agree chemical castrations dont completely stop the urges and those released would be highly incentivized to hide their behavior. But they release pedophiles back into society without any plans already. This is at least something.

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joemodda posted...

Sounds like a 'cruel and unusual' punishment if you ask me (not trying to defend anyone here)

From what I understand, it works similarly to birth control in that when you stop doing the treatments, the castration is relieved. It just inhibits sexual attraction and libido in the mean time.

But I'm sure there are side effects to it.

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this is eugenics

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Lokarin posted...

Philia is not an action. Unless you want to police thoughts.

If someone keeps it to themselves, let them be.

child molesters and paedophiles are the same thing stop trying to muddy the waters.

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Locke90 posted...

child molesters and paedophiles are the same thing stop trying to muddy the waters.

TIL: You can telepathically molest

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It's ineffective, I believe RKelly was using drugs to reduce his libido and it didn't do shit, thus not a good idea.

Locke90 posted...

child molesters and paedophiles are the same thing stop trying to muddy the waters.

Nope, you're muddying the waters.
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Aculo posted...

Why only in Alabama? This should really be a nation wide sensation, ok?

Because in the U.S. we have this thing called the Bill of Rights that explicitly forbids the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and this law is gonna get thrown out as soon as it's challenged in a federal court, ok?

Also IIRC there was a case where a judge offered criminals sentence reductions if they agreed to chemical castration and even that (completely voluntary option) was thrown out as against the law.

As much as the Internet loves to quibble over it, the whole "pedophilia isn't a crime" mentality is kind of bullshit sophistry. When the average person uses the terms "pedophilia" or "pedophiile", they're not talking about someone who just has the urges or the mental condition, they're talking about the sort of people who literally act on that compulsion.

Context is everything, and you're not as clever as you think you are just because you're technically correct.
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Mead posted...

get them some help because theyre sick

before they do end up harming a child

I wish there was more published information from Project Dunkelfield. We don't even really know if there's help to get for them.

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Lokarin posted...

TIL: You can telepathically molest

You would know, ok?

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streamofthesky posted...

Because in the U.S. we have this thing called the Bill of Rights that explicitly forbids the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and this law is gonna get thrown out as soon as it's challenged in a federal court, ok?

Also IIRC there was a case where a judge offered criminals sentence reductions if they agreed to chemical castration and even that (completely voluntary option) was thrown out as against the law.

How exactly is chemical castration cruel and unusual?

Chemical castration is castration via anaphrodisiac drugs, whether to reduce libido and sexual activity, to treat cancer, or otherwise. Unlike surgical castration, where the gonads are removed through an incision in the body, chemical castration does not remove organs, nor is it a form of sterilization.

Sounds pretty humane to me, and fits the crime. If it were up to me, these people would be wiped off the face of the fucking planet. This seems like a less severe alternative, ok?

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Mead posted...

get them some help because theyre sick

before they do end up harming a child

They cant. They get arrested if they try to get help...

Locke90 posted...

child molesters and paedophiles are the same thing stop trying to muddy the waters.

They are not...
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LinkPizza posted...

They cant. They get arrested if they try to get help...

You can't get arrested for something you haven't done yet. Not until whatever year Minority Report takes place in, ok?

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Hop103 posted...

It's ineffective, I believe RKelly was using similar drugs to reduce his libido and it didn't do shit, thus not a good idea.

Nope, you're muddying the waters.

am i and here I was under the impression and rightly so that they were one and the same.

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Locke90 posted...

am i and here I was under the impression and rightly so that they were one and the same.

Well you are wrong

Pedophiles = people sexually attracted to prepubescent children regardless if they molest them or not

Child molesters = people that molest prepubescent children whether they are sexually attracted to them or not

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Cruel and unusual.

Nobody wants to defend child molesters. But you have to take into consideration that it's possible to be wrongly convicted of such a thing.

Besides, why single out child molesters for chemical castration?

If you're going to implement something that ridiculous, why not all violent/sexual offenders?

I've noticed an odd trend lately where people just talk about how they hate pedophiles and child molesters.

No shit.

We get it.

Is someone disagreeing with you that they are disgusting monsters?

But why fantasize about killing them, torturing them, and all that shit?

It just seems like virtue signaling.

"Look at me! Listen to how much I hate pedophiles! That must mean I'm a good person! Because good people hate bad things! Right!?"

It's weird.


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GreenKnight127 posted...

Cruel and unusual.

Nobody wants to defend child molesters. But you have to take into consideration that it's possible to be wrongly convicted of such a thing.

Besides, why single out child molesters for chemical castration?

If you're going to implement something that ridiculous, why not all violent/sexual offenders?

I've noticed an odd trend lately where people just talk about how they hate pedophiles and child molesters.

No shit.

We get it.

Is someone disagreeing with you that they are disgusting monsters?

But why fantasize about killing them, torturing them, and all that shit?

It just seems like virtue signaling.

"Look at me! Listen to how much I hate pedophiles! That must mean I'm a good person! Because good people hate bad things! Right!?"

It's weird.

thats not a new trend.

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GreenKnight127 posted...

Cruel and unusual.

Prison is cruel and is only not unusual because it was abused so much prior to the ceration of the bill of rights. Firing squad was common back then, we can do that.
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Rooster_Sucker posted...

Hopefully cat owners are next.

...the fuck?

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Prison is cruel and is only not unusual because it was abused so much prior to the ceration of the bill of rights. Firing squad was common back then, we can do that.

Prison is terrible and needs massive reform all across the world (especially in America)

But it is necessary. Some humans are monsters that need to be separated from society.

But castrated?

I hate pedophiles as much as anyone else, but damn....

That's like those guys in prison who murder their roommate because they found out he was a pedophile. And he's just sitting there with a big smile on his face in front of the judge. Everyone thinks he's a god damn hero. The comments section is like, "He should be awarded his freedom for killing a pedo!" or "the judge shoulda bought him a beer!" etc.

But the dude still murdered someone in cold blood. And felt justified in doing it because he assumed his roommate was a pedophile.

How do you know it wasn't a bullshit rumor started by the guards to make the guys life hell?

People get wrongly convicted all the time.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, because it's the best way to get people thinking outside their small box.

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So... they spend the rest of their lives getting injections?

Why not just put them in prison the rest of their lives? Or throw them in general population so the other prisoners take care of the problem?

GreenKnight127 posted...

That's like those guys in prison who murder their roommate because they found out he was a pedophile. And he's just sitting there with a big smile on his face in front of the judge. Everyone thinks he's a god damn hero. The comments section is like, "He should be awarded his freedom for killing a pedo!" or "the judge shoulda bought him a beer!" etc.

Is that a common occurence?

GreenKnight127 posted...

But it is necessary. Some humans are monsters that need to be separated from society.

But castrated?

If it stops them acting on their lust, it solves the problem. I still prefer firing squad.

GreenKnight127 posted...

That's like those guys in prison who murder their roommate because they found out he was a pedophile. And he's just sitting there with a big smile on his face in front of the judge. Everyone thinks he's a god damn hero. The comments section is like, "He should be awarded his freedom for killing a pedo!" or "the judge shoulda bought him a beer!" etc.

But the dude still murdered someone in cold blood. And felt justified in doing it because he assumed his roommate was a pedophile.

You can't say that the justice system is right while simultaneously not allowing a prisoner to trust the judgement of the court.

He killed someone who was deserving of death. The only difference between a soldier and a murderer is legal approval, and he's halfway there with approval of society.

GreenKnight127 posted...

How do you know it wasn't a bullshit rumor started by the guards to make the guys life hell?

Think about why the guards are telling people that in the first place. They're being exposed.

GreenKnight127 posted...

People get wrongly convicted all the time.

If it's happening "all the time" the the legal system is insufficient to determine anybody is guilty and is just an argument against laws in general.

GreenKnight127 posted...

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, because it's the best way to get people thinking outside their small box.

Turns out you only need a small box when dealing with a simple problem, who knew.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

As much as the Internet loves to quibble over it, the whole "pedophilia isn't a crime" mentality is kind of bullshit sophistry. When the average person uses the terms "pedophilia" or "pedophiile", they're not talking about someone who just has the urges or the mental condition, they're talking about the sort of people who literally act on that compulsion.

And that's precisely the problem: When you demonize the thoughts by so closely associating them with the actions as to use the same words, those who have the thoughts but haven't yet acted on them are going to bottle them up instead of seeking help or healthy outlets. Pedophiles that don't progress into child molesters deserve respect for their self-control, not the same vilification that they would face if they did find themselves a toddler to diddle.

It has a horrible name. Really needs to be fixed.

For some reason it just makes me think of someone melting someones balls with acid or something.

Seriously rename it like Libido treatments or something and Ill be on board.

GreenKnight127 posted...

Cruel and unusual.

Nobody wants to defend child molesters. But you have to take into consideration that it's possible to be wrongly convicted of such a thing.

Besides, why single out child molesters for chemical castration?

If you're going to implement something that ridiculous, why not all violent/sexual offenders?

I've noticed an odd trend lately where people just talk about how they hate pedophiles and child molesters.

No shit.

We get it.

Is someone disagreeing with you that they are disgusting monsters?

But why fantasize about killing them, torturing them, and all that shit?

It just seems like virtue signaling.

"Look at me! Listen to how much I hate pedophiles! That must mean I'm a good person! Because good people hate bad things! Right!?"

It's weird.

Ah a fellow evolved lifeform.

Nice.

_AdjI_ posted...

And that's precisely the problem: When you demonize the thoughts by so closely associating them with the actions as to use the same words, those who have the thoughts but haven't yet acted on them are going to bottle them up instead of seeking help or healthy outlets. Pedophiles that don't progress into child molesters deserve respect for their self-control, not the same vilification that they would face if they did find themselves a toddler to diddle.

Respect? how about just being a normal freaking human with some self control? Most/many guys find women attractive but don't consider raping them. I don't even quite understand how anyone find pre-pubescent children attractive in a sexual way, it doesn't make any sense, especially that there are enough for it to be well known throughout history.

IF you do find children attractive, I would actually suggest getting help. I think what the person means is if they report it, they go to jail because they have looked at child porn or something. I'm pretty sure before you get to that point you would know, and should get help before doing so.

I don't think being a pedophile is a criminal offense, but owning or creating child porn is and should be. I even consider virutal (anime etc) child porn should be illegal because it could escalate someone etc. You shouldn't be arrested for your thoughts, but you should for your actions, especially if those actions harm others or put others in harms way.

And yeah, if there is solid proof (actual video, dna evidence etc) that you molested a child, you should be locked up and the key thrown away or given the option of true castration (unless there is a way to ensure chemical castration is 100% effective and that the person can't just stop taking drugs etc) or the option to be put to death (your choice).

Laws are meant to protect people, but if someone is hurting a child, and ignores such laws, then they should not be put in a position to ruin another life, one way or another.

That being said, I don't think the prison system in the US works, and it's horrible. There should be "towns" that have security around them for sex offenders and others who are not safe to be part of society, but who can live mostly normal lives inside, working and living etc, even with (monitored) internet access. They could easily be made to actually generate money/taxes instead of cost tax payers a ton each year, and you could use such places to ensure dangerous people were not free to possibly harm others in the future.

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MabinogiFan posted...

Is that a common occurence?

Isn't "inmates make pedophiles' life a living hell behind bars" a common belief?

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wolfy42 posted...

Respect? how about just being a normal freaking human with some self control? Most/many guys find women attractive but don't consider raping them. I don't even quite understand how anyone find pre-pubescent children attractive in a sexual way, it doesn't make any sense, especially that there are enough for it to be well known throughout history.

You say that as if pedos choose to be attracted to kids. The choice is whether they act on their urges.

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_AdjI_ posted...

And that's precisely the problem: When you demonize the thoughts by so closely associating them with the actions as to use the same words, those who have the thoughts but haven't yet acted on them are going to bottle them up instead of seeking help or healthy outlets. Pedophiles that don't progress into child molesters deserve respect for their self-control, not the same vilification that they would face if they did find themselves a toddler to diddle.

You're right. I say we should honor them with awards and accolades, ok?

And then throw them a party!

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Aculo posted...

Why only in Alabama? This should really be a nation wide sensation, ok?

It should apply to rapists as well.

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I find it strange that it's a given that pedophilia is always even linked to child molesting. I mean I know most of the people so passionate about the subject, calling for torturous death penalties for anyone accused of such a thing and so on, are generally ignorant of the actual facts and stats behind the crimes but still. A large percent of child molestation cases don't even involve someone who could be clinically diagnosed with pedophilia but instead by a "simple" opportunist sexual predator. Even for that group the vast majority aren't crazed sex demons that literally can't stop themselves from sticking their dicks in places they shouldn't go, but people with various mental and social problems who find themselves in a situation where they can exploit someone weaker than themselves. Chemical castration would do little but unnecessarily lower the quality of life for most of the people convicted of such crimes (why are we only talking about child molesting anyways? Shouldn't this apply to rapists as well?) which believe it or not is something that should be avoided if it can if the person is expected to rejoin society as a productive and reformed citizen.

wolfy42 posted...

I even consider virutal (anime etc) child porn should be illegal because it could escalate someone

Come on people, at least try to keep your emotions in check and actually think before you say something?

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I agree that even illustrations of minors in obvious pornographic depictions should be illegal and considered CP

it just encourages the mental illness and makes them more likely to harm a child as the illness progresses

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wolfy42 posted...

Respect? how about just being a normal freaking human with some self control? Most/many guys find women attractive but don't consider raping them.

Most of those guys have the option of acting on their attraction without hurting people. Bear in mind also that a lot of child molestation isn't as overt and forcible as people tend to consider rape to be. That doesn't make it any better, of course, but it does make it easier for the person doing it to rationalize it as being consensual enough (or at least to skip the step of considering whether or not their "partner" can actually consent).

wolfy42 posted...

I don't even quite understand how anyone find pre-pubescent children attractive in a sexual way,

It is very much a mental illness. It shouldn't make sense to mentally healthy people because it relies on the brain working in very much the wrong way.

wolfy42 posted...

IF you do find children attractive, I would actually suggest getting help. I think what the person means is if they report it, they go to jail because they have looked at child porn or something. I'm pretty sure before you get to that point you would know, and should get help before doing so.

Indeed. The issue is that pedophilia is so demonized that seeking help is difficult regardless of whether or not a person has acted on their urges. Try talking to a friend about it for support, and odds are you'll lose a friend, not end up with somebody who will discourage you from applying to be a gym teacher. As long as people hear "pedophile" and think "child molester" (lumping people who consume child porn in with that), that's not going to change, which means you're going to get more people with pedophilic urges trying (and potentially failing) to handle them on their own.

wolfy42 posted...

I even consider virutal (anime etc) child porn should be illegal because it could escalate someone etc.

I'd actually consider that to be one of the healthy outlets I alluded to earlier. Virtual stuff is actually harmless to make, meaning consuming it isn't harmful. That's not to say its consumption isn't cause for concern or that anyone using it as an outlet doesn't need to be seeking other help to keep their urges under control, but saying that it should be illegal because its consumers might want more is like saying that money should be illegal because it might make those who have it want to steal more. Illegality should be based on actual harm, not the presumption that it might inspire somebody to escalate to something more harmful (see also: "gateway drug").

wolfy42 posted...

And yeah, if there is solid proof (actual video, dna evidence etc) that you molested a child, you should be locked up and the key thrown away or given the option of true castration (unless there is a way to ensure chemical castration is 100% effective and that the person can't just stop taking drugs etc) or the option to be put to death (your choice).

Generally a knee-jerk overreaction, but basically, yeah. Child molesters suck and deserve pretty much all the hate they get (although the "won't somebody think of the children?!?!" attitude that drives people to consider it the worst crime ever is thoroughly irrational). I don't disagree there.

wolfy42 posted...

There should be "towns" that have security around them for sex offenders and others who are not safe to be part of society, but who can live mostly normal lives inside, working and living etc, even with (monitored) internet access. They could easily be made to actually generate money/taxes instead of cost tax payers a ton each year, and you could use such places to ensure dangerous people were not free to possibly harm others in the future.

You basically just described a concentration camp. Being based on criminal convictions instead of some politician's genocidal inclinations takes a lot of the sting out of the concept, but it's still not really a reasonable approach. Rehabilitative prison and post-release restrictions (i.e. not being allowed to work with kids) is generally going to be more reasonable, though obviously America kind of struggles with the whole "rehabilitation" thing.

Mead posted...

I agree that even illustrations of minors in obvious pornographic depictions should be illegal and considered CP

it just encourages the mental illness and makes them more likely to harm a child as the illness progresses

Like I said, the people who are the most ignorant tend to be the loudest on this topic. Although I guess that sort of thing is pretty common actually.

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The empathy most of you seem to have for child molesters is concerning, to say the least, ok?

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Aculo posted...

The empathy most of you seem to have for child molesters is concerning, to say the least, ok?

If the castration worked, then it would be prescriptive.

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Aculo posted...

The empathy most of you seem to have for child molesters is concerning, to say the least, ok?

And the amount of hate some people have...
Maybe we need to address mental health since this has been a thing since humans were...human. we're all animals. Why some of us rape is beyond most of our understanding and why some of us are attracted to another creature not able to reproduce is beyond like all of us.

I think it was batman that said killing a killer, still leaves with a killer.
Taking out someone who committed the crime does not prevent the crime from ever happening, just that one person.

Anger makes you stupid. Let's channel our anger and make it productive.

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