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Suprak the Stud 10/25/19 6:07:29 PM #1:	xp1337 posted... What's weird is Buttigieg entered the race as a much more progressive voice with talk about abolishing the Electoral College, etc. I don't want to say the lobbyists/donors got to him but man it's awfully fishy how he made his sharp turn into the moderate lane and taking shots at the left more and more after his initial surge in polling and fundraising. the curse of "candidates who at one time or another were in my top 3" struck again because these days i'm a hard pass on him. I think its just strategy to a certain degree. You dont have to ascribe hes caved to lobbyists when you have no evidence and there are alternate reasons. The only candidate to be occupying the moderate lane now is Biden. Warren and Sanders are vying for the left of the party and both have well established bases. If you had to pick on of the three major candidates to implode in a cloud of failure first, who would it be? The intellectually consistent person who has been pushing the same ideology for 50 years, the well prepared and well composed person who has only been growing in the polls, or the guy that doesnt always seem to know where hes at and cant stop saying dumb stuff. All of the lesser candidates should be positioning towards the middle now. The left lane is well occupied and the middle could be open if Biden wets himself again. Its why Pete has been going up in the polls while Beto has been going down imo. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:929238108] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... <quote>What's weird is Buttigieg entered the race as a much more progressive voice with talk about abolishing the Electoral College, etc. I don't want to say the lobbyists/donors got to him but man it's awfully fishy how he made his sharp turn into the moderate lane and taking shots at the left more and more after his initial surge in polling and fundraising. the curse of "candidates who at one time or another were in my top 3" struck again because these days i'm a hard pass on him.</quote> I think its just strategy to a certain degree. You dont have to ascribe hes caved to lobbyists when you have no evidence and there are alternate reasons. The only candidate to be occupying the moderate lane now is Biden. Warren and Sanders are vying for the left of the party and both have well established bases. If you had to pick on of the three major candidates to implode in a cloud of failure first, who would it be? The intellectually consistent person who has been pushing the same ideology for 50 years, the well prepared and well composed person who has only been growing in the polls, or the guy that doesnt always seem to know where hes at and cant stop saying dumb stuff. All of the lesser candidates should be positioning towards the middle now. The left lane is well occupied and the middle could be open if Biden wets himself again. Its why Pete has been going up in the polls while Beto has been going down imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaveEstelle 10/25/19 6:10:41 PM #2:	Im going to drunkenly butt-dial one of you and further implicate myself --- ~Slowbro, after this we'll go to Johto... On a bird named Pidgeotto...~ <cite>SaveEstelle posted [p:929238231] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Im going to drunkenly butt-dial one of you and further implicate myself </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/25/19 6:11:56 PM #3:	Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929238270] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/25/19 6:26:29 PM #4:	Suprak the Stud posted... I think its just strategy to a certain degree. You dont have to ascribe hes caved to lobbyists when you have no evidence and there are alternate reasons. I normally wouldn't raise it as an explanation but the sharp turn in his rhetoric is eyebrow-raising IMO. I suppose it could "merely" be that he just changed his tune because he concluded it was politically advantageous to do so but that... isn't much better? Like, I agree that Biden is the most likely to politically implode and that it's far less crowded (among the candidates who poll better than a rock) in the moderate lane (LotM, out of curiosity is there a reason you put that in quotes before? I don't use lane as a pejorative, just as a shorthand for the ideological divide in the candidates/direction of the party. Sanders/Warren are the progressive lane, etc.) but that's not where Buttigieg tried to portray himself when he first entered. If he had done so, that'd be entirely different - it'd be consistency! Suprak the Stud posted... Its why Pete has been going up in the polls while Beto has been going down imo. I don't really have the motivation to do this myself, certainly not now, but probably not ever... but I'm not entirely sure this tracks with his polling. What I mean is, if my recollection of the race dynamics is right (which is a bit iffy I'll admit, feels like an eternity) Buttigieg entered basically as a no-name (mayor in Indiana and all that) but speaking like he was in the same area as Sanders/Warren (though obviously not with the decades of street cred those two have) in terms of big structural change, etc. I want to say it was a strong first debate performance which is what saw him actually rise and enter the "contender" tier... but at the time he was still hanging in the progressive lane. It was only later that he started drifting towards the center and while his polling has gone up a bit we're not talking a dramatic rise. Most of that work was done before the shift. idk it just feels to me like he entered the race talking about big changes and progressive policy, he got some buzz talking that way and his polls and fundraising went up... and then he started sliding towards the center. It could be sheer political opportunism but... it feels misplayed if it's that, I think? Like it feels too sharp and fast a turn to me. Pivoting towards the center always happens for the general, and you'll see candidates try to get a headstart on it sometimes for various reasons but doing it too fast just feels a bit too nakedly political to me. idk maybe i'm weird --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:929238802] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> I think its just strategy to a certain degree. You dont have to ascribe hes caved to lobbyists when you have no evidence and there are alternate reasons.</quote> I normally wouldn't raise it as an explanation but the sharp turn in his rhetoric is eyebrow-raising IMO. I suppose it could "merely" be that he just changed his tune because he concluded it was politically advantageous to do so but that... isn't much better? Like, I agree that Biden is the most likely to politically implode and that it's far less crowded (among the candidates who poll better than a rock) in the moderate lane (LotM, out of curiosity is there a reason you put that in quotes before? I don't use lane as a pejorative, just as a shorthand for the ideological divide in the candidates/direction of the party. Sanders/Warren are the progressive lane, etc.) but that's not where Buttigieg tried to portray himself when he first entered. If he had done so, that'd be entirely different - it'd be consistency! Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> Its why Pete has been going up in the polls while Beto has been going down imo.</quote> I don't really have the motivation to do this myself, certainly not now, but probably not ever... but I'm not entirely sure this tracks with his polling. What I mean is, if my recollection of the race dynamics is right (which is a bit iffy I'll admit, feels like an eternity) Buttigieg entered basically as a no-name (mayor in Indiana and all that) but speaking like he was in the same area as Sanders/Warren (though obviously not with the decades of street cred those two have) in terms of big structural change, etc. I want to say it was a strong first debate performance which is what saw him actually rise and enter the "contender" tier... but at the time he was still hanging in the progressive lane. It was only later that he started drifting towards the center and while his polling has gone up a bit we're not talking a dramatic rise. Most of that work was done before the shift. idk it just feels to me like he entered the race talking about big changes and progressive policy, he got some buzz talking that way and his polls and fundraising went up... and then he started sliding towards the center. It could be sheer political opportunism but... it feels misplayed if it's that, I think? Like it feels too sharp and fast a turn to me. Pivoting towards the center always happens for the general, and you'll see candidates try to get a headstart on it sometimes for various reasons but doing it too fast just feels a bit too nakedly political to me. idk maybe i'm weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/25/19 6:27:15 PM #5:	The reporter's statement of what he heard doesn't seem to implicate Giuliani. Nothing definitively illegal in there. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929238825] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>The reporter's statement of what he heard doesn't seem to implicate Giuliani. Nothing definitively illegal in there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 10/25/19 6:29:09 PM #6:	red sox 777 posted... Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point. Endorsing Jill Stein would be a waste of time for any serious politician. Now if we had a 'ranked-choice voting system' then endorsing third-party candidates might be a worthwhile endeavor. But as it stands, only two candidates had any real shot at winning the Presidential Election: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. For a Democrat NOT to endorse Hillary or to endorse nobody at all (as we saw, even Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton) would be tantamount to endorsing Donald Trump. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:929238906] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point. </quote> Endorsing Jill Stein would be a waste of time for any serious politician. Now if we had a 'ranked-choice voting system' then endorsing third-party candidates might be a worthwhile endeavor. But as it stands, only two candidates had any real shot at winning the Presidential Election: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. For a Democrat NOT to endorse Hillary or to endorse nobody at all (as we saw, even Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton) would be tantamount to endorsing Donald Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 10/25/19 6:33:05 PM #7:	Did, did you just copy a post from 2016? --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:929239043] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Did, did you just copy a post from 2016?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runemistress 10/25/19 6:33:38 PM #8:	red sox 777 posted... The reporter's statement of what he heard doesn't seem to implicate Giuliani. Nothing definitively illegal in there. I'm not sure how you can make that statement without more information. --- It's more like if you don't have to wait in line at Arby's because some dude stopped by and kidnapped all of the other customers. - MoogleKupo141 <cite>Runemistress posted [p:929239070] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>The reporter's statement of what he heard doesn't seem to implicate Giuliani. Nothing definitively illegal in there. </quote> I'm not sure how you can make that statement without more information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/25/19 6:33:58 PM #9:	xp1337 posted... Suprak the Stud posted... I think its just strategy to a certain degree. You dont have to ascribe hes caved to lobbyists when you have no evidence and there are alternate reasons. I normally wouldn't raise it as an explanation but the sharp turn in his rhetoric is eyebrow-raising IMO. I suppose it could "merely" be that he just changed his tune because he concluded it was politically advantageous to do so but that... isn't much better? Like, I agree that Biden is the most likely to politically implode and that it's far less crowded (among the candidates who poll better than a rock) in the moderate lane (LotM, out of curiosity is there a reason you put that in quotes before? I don't use lane as a pejorative, just as a shorthand for the ideological divide in the candidates/direction of the party. Sanders/Warren are the progressive lane, etc.) but that's not where Buttigieg tried to portray himself when he first entered. If he had done so, that'd be entirely different - it'd be consistency! Suprak the Stud posted... Its why Pete has been going up in the polls while Beto has been going down imo. I don't really have the motivation to do this myself, certainly not now, but probably not ever... but I'm not entirely sure this tracks with his polling. What I mean is, if my recollection of the race dynamics is right (which is a bit iffy I'll admit, feels like an eternity) Buttigieg entered basically as a no-name (mayor in Indiana and all that) but speaking like he was in the same area as Sanders/Warren (though obviously not with the decades of street cred those two have) in terms of big structural change, etc. I want to say it was a strong first debate performance which is what saw him actually rise and enter the "contender" tier... but at the time he was still hanging in the progressive lane. It was only later that he started drifting towards the center and while his polling has gone up a bit we're not talking a dramatic rise. Most of that work was done before the shift. idk it just feels to me like he entered the race talking about big changes and progressive policy, he got some buzz talking that way and his polls and fundraising went up... and then he started sliding towards the center. It could be sheer political opportunism but... it feels misplayed if it's that, I think? Like it feels too sharp and fast a turn to me. Pivoting towards the center always happens for the general, and you'll see candidates try to get a headstart on it sometimes for various reasons but doing it too fast just feels a bit too nakedly political to me. idk maybe i'm weird The center/left divide isn't that black and white. A lot of people like Justice Kennedy and Justice Roberts precisely because they don't vote in lockstep with their party (none of the justices do, but those are definitely the 2 perceived as not basing decisions on ideology). I don't see how promising to nominate judges like Kennedy should be objectionable. I know Trump lambasted Ted Cruz for supporting Roberts but Trump just saw an opportunity to tie lyin Ted to Obama and he seized it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929239080] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> I think its just strategy to a certain degree. You dont have to ascribe hes caved to lobbyists when you have no evidence and there are alternate reasons.</quote> I normally wouldn't raise it as an explanation but the sharp turn in his rhetoric is eyebrow-raising IMO. I suppose it could "merely" be that he just changed his tune because he concluded it was politically advantageous to do so but that... isn't much better? Like, I agree that Biden is the most likely to politically implode and that it's far less crowded (among the candidates who poll better than a rock) in the moderate lane (LotM, out of curiosity is there a reason you put that in quotes before? I don't use lane as a pejorative, just as a shorthand for the ideological divide in the candidates/direction of the party. Sanders/Warren are the progressive lane, etc.) but that's not where Buttigieg tried to portray himself when he first entered. If he had done so, that'd be entirely different - it'd be consistency! Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote> Its why Pete has been going up in the polls while Beto has been going down imo.</quote> I don't really have the motivation to do this myself, certainly not now, but probably not ever... but I'm not entirely sure this tracks with his polling. What I mean is, if my recollection of the race dynamics is right (which is a bit iffy I'll admit, feels like an eternity) Buttigieg entered basically as a no-name (mayor in Indiana and all that) but speaking like he was in the same area as Sanders/Warren (though obviously not with the decades of street cred those two have) in terms of big structural change, etc. I want to say it was a strong first debate performance which is what saw him actually rise and enter the "contender" tier... but at the time he was still hanging in the progressive lane. It was only later that he started drifting towards the center and while his polling has gone up a bit we're not talking a dramatic rise. Most of that work was done before the shift. idk it just feels to me like he entered the race talking about big changes and progressive policy, he got some buzz talking that way and his polls and fundraising went up... and then he started sliding towards the center. It could be sheer political opportunism but... it feels misplayed if it's that, I think? Like it feels too sharp and fast a turn to me. Pivoting towards the center always happens for the general, and you'll see candidates try to get a headstart on it sometimes for various reasons but doing it too fast just feels a bit too nakedly political to me. idk maybe i'm weird</quote> The center/left divide isn't that black and white. A lot of people like Justice Kennedy and Justice Roberts precisely because they don't vote in lockstep with their party (none of the justices do, but those are definitely the 2 perceived as not basing decisions on ideology). I don't see how promising to nominate judges like Kennedy should be objectionable. I know Trump lambasted Ted Cruz for supporting Roberts but Trump just saw an opportunity to tie lyin Ted to Obama and he seized it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/25/19 6:35:10 PM #10:	Runemistress posted... red sox 777 posted... The reporter's statement of what he heard doesn't seem to implicate Giuliani. Nothing definitively illegal in there. I'm not sure how you can make that statement without more information. That's exactly why it doesn't implicate him.....if you can't tell what he did without more information we don't have, it doesn't implicate him. Of course it doesn't exonerate him either. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929239124] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>The reporter's statement of what he heard doesn't seem to implicate Giuliani. Nothing definitively illegal in there. </quote> I'm not sure how you can make that statement without more information.</quote> That's exactly why it doesn't implicate him.....if you can't tell what he did without more information we don't have, it doesn't implicate him. Of course it doesn't exonerate him either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/25/19 6:36:42 PM #11:	https://twitter.com/arianagrande/status/1187813174482857984?s=21 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929239187] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/arianagrande/status/1187813174482857984?s=21</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 10/25/19 6:36:46 PM #12:	Also Pete has always been on the moderate side of things. This isnt a recent turn. He was the dude that wanted to go on Ben Shapiros show until everyone yelled at him. He never has had the same progressive policy positions of Bernie or even Warren. Even his comments on the Supreme Court arent out of line with what hes been talking about the entire time. Hes the one who had the crazy idea of five liberals, five conservatives, and five picked by those ten. That is by its very definition going to be a very moderate court. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:929239190] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Also Pete has always been on the moderate side of things. This isnt a recent turn. He was the dude that wanted to go on Ben Shapiros show until everyone yelled at him. He never has had the same progressive policy positions of Bernie or even Warren. Even his comments on the Supreme Court arent out of line with what hes been talking about the entire time. Hes the one who had the crazy idea of five liberals, five conservatives, and five picked by those ten. That is by its very definition going to be a very moderate court. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/25/19 6:38:04 PM #13:	I put lane in quotes because theyre kinda fuzzy; most voters arent just choosing the candidate closest to them on the issues (though there is, of course, a decent amount of correlation which is why it isnt a useless concept). --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929239241] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>I put lane in quotes because theyre kinda fuzzy; most voters arent just choosing the candidate closest to them on the issues (though there is, of course, a decent amount of correlation which is why it isnt a useless concept). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/25/19 6:43:41 PM #14:	Runemistress posted... red sox 777 posted... Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point. Endorsing Jill Stein would be a waste of time for any serious politician. Now if we had a 'ranked-choice voting system' then endorsing third-party candidates might be a worthwhile endeavor. But as it stands, only two candidates had any real shot at winning the Presidential Election: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. For a Democrat NOT to endorse Hillary or to endorse nobody at all (as we saw, even Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton) would be tantamount to endorsing Donald Trump. And yet Warren saw fit not to endorse anyone during the Hillary vs. Bernie contest. If not endorsing Hillary would be an endorsement of Trump, then not endorsing the candidate with the best chance of stopping Trump (Bernie) would also be an endorsement of Trump.* Which, in my book, would be far less bad than an endorsement of Hillary. Trump at least promised to do good for the country. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929239452] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Runemistress posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point. </quote> Endorsing Jill Stein would be a waste of time for any serious politician. Now if we had a 'ranked-choice voting system' then endorsing third-party candidates might be a worthwhile endeavor. But as it stands, only two candidates had any real shot at winning the Presidential Election: Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. For a Democrat NOT to endorse Hillary or to endorse nobody at all (as we saw, even Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton) would be tantamount to endorsing Donald Trump.</quote> And yet Warren saw fit not to endorse anyone during the Hillary vs. Bernie contest. If not endorsing Hillary would be an endorsement of Trump, then not endorsing the candidate with the best chance of stopping Trump (Bernie) would also be an endorsement of Trump.* Which, in my book, would be far less bad than an endorsement of Hillary. Trump at least promised to do good for the country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/25/19 6:45:19 PM #15:	Don't know why you're laser focused on the courts thing. Highlighting Kennedy is dumb, but if that's all it was I'd just say "that's ridiculous" and leave it at that. I wouldn't engage in a protracted discussion if that's all I saw. He's quietly dropped talk about abolishing the Electoral College and he's ratcheted up his rhetoric against progressive policies. It was seen most clearly in the last debate when he went after Sanders/Warren on M4A and Beto on buybacks. I'm not saying he abandoned M4A mid-race (although I think there are tweets of him supporting it from years back) or that this was the first time he criticized Beto's buybacks. But it was the most aggressive he'd been about it by far when in earlier debates he was literally defending progressive policy from Delaney (I think Delaney, hell it may even have been healthcare too) with "The Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what we say so we might as well go big." And we went from that to him using Republican language like confiscations? He was never as far as Warren and Sanders on progressive policy, no. None of them are, lol. But he sure as hell seemed a lot closer to them than he did Biden at the start of this and now he seems to be positioning himself to try and take over Biden's position in the race. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:929239498] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Don't know why you're laser focused on the courts thing. Highlighting Kennedy is dumb, but if that's all it was I'd just say "that's ridiculous" and leave it at that. I wouldn't engage in a protracted discussion if that's all I saw. He's quietly dropped talk about abolishing the Electoral College and he's ratcheted up his rhetoric against progressive policies. It was seen most clearly in the last debate when he went after Sanders/Warren on M4A and Beto on buybacks. I'm not saying he abandoned M4A mid-race (although I think there are tweets of him supporting it from years back) or that this was the first time he criticized Beto's buybacks. But it was the most aggressive he'd been about it by far when in earlier debates he was literally defending progressive policy from Delaney (I think Delaney, hell it may even have been healthcare too) with "The Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what we say so we might as well go big." And we went from that to him using Republican language like confiscations? He was never as far as Warren and Sanders on progressive policy, no. None of them are, lol. But he sure as hell seemed a lot closer to them than he did Biden at the start of this and now he seems to be positioning himself to try and take over Biden's position in the race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 10/25/19 6:46:06 PM #16:	speaking of, with the typical US insurance open enrollment period approaching I had a relevant meeting at work today pretty much every bit of it was a reminder of what a fucking scam private health insurance is and how I still have no practical choice but to buy into it because the system is fucking broken. <cite>Reg posted [p:929239522] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>speaking of, with the typical US insurance open enrollment period approaching I had a relevant meeting at work today pretty much every bit of it was a reminder of what a fucking scam private health insurance is and how I still have no practical choice but to buy into it because the system is fucking broken.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 10/25/19 6:48:22 PM #17:	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1187861209942495234 even you guys aren't suffering from TDS bad enough to disagree with this one! --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:929239585] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1187861209942495234 even you guys aren't suffering from TDS bad enough to disagree with this one!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/25/19 6:55:34 PM #18:	I like buttons --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:929239830] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>I like buttons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shaduln 10/25/19 6:56:04 PM #19:	I just don't like iphones. --- Emperor of Board 8 Posted using GameFlux <cite>Shaduln posted [p:929239841] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>I just don't like iphones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 10/25/19 7:39:31 PM #20:	red sox 777 posted... And yet Warren saw fit not to endorse anyone during the Hillary vs. Bernie contest. If not endorsing Hillary would be an endorsement of Trump, then not endorsing the candidate with the best chance of stopping Trump (Bernie) would also be an endorsement of Trump.* Which, in my book, would be far less bad than an endorsement of Hillary. Trump at least promised to do good for the country. Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time iirc it wasn't entirely clear who had the best chance of winning I could understand the percieved harm of endorsing a candidate that was not nominated --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:929241401] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>And yet Warren saw fit not to endorse anyone during the Hillary vs. Bernie contest. If not endorsing Hillary would be an endorsement of Trump, then not endorsing the candidate with the best chance of stopping Trump (Bernie) would also be an endorsement of Trump.* Which, in my book, would be far less bad than an endorsement of Hillary. Trump at least promised to do good for the country.</quote> Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time iirc it wasn't entirely clear who had the best chance of winning I could understand the percieved harm of endorsing a candidate that was not nominated</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 10/25/19 8:02:24 PM #21:	MoogleKupo141 posted... I like buttons Shaduln posted... I just don't like iphones. Both of these apply. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:929242233] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>I like buttons</quote> Shaduln posted... </cite> <quote>I just don't like iphones.</quote> Both of these apply. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nrrr 10/25/19 8:23:02 PM #22:	https://imgur.com/O5rjLpV --- I'm baby <cite>Nrrr posted [p:929243098] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/O5rjLpV </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/25/19 10:27:01 PM #23:	SmartMuffin posted... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1187861209942495234 even you guys aren't suffering from TDS bad enough to disagree with this one! https://twitter.com/adamserwer/status/1187875972131049475?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929247232] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1187861209942495234 even you guys aren't suffering from TDS bad enough to disagree with this one!</quote>https://twitter.com/adamserwer/status/1187875972131049475?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/25/19 10:31:08 PM #24:	I prefer the swipe I work with phones all day. Swiping is already a motion you're doing. Switching to pushing a button feels counter-intuitive and I don't wanna go back --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929247369] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>I prefer the swipe I work with phones all day. Swiping is already a motion you're doing. Switching to pushing a button feels counter-intuitive and I don't wanna go back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 10/25/19 10:51:23 PM #25:	StealThisSheen posted... I prefer the swipe I work with phones all day. Swiping is already a motion you're doing. Switching to pushing a button feels counter-intuitive and I don't wanna go back Hey guys I found the HEATHEN --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:929248032] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>I prefer the swipe I work with phones all day. Swiping is already a motion you're doing. Switching to pushing a button feels counter-intuitive and I don't wanna go back</quote> Hey guys I found the HEATHEN </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/25/19 11:07:20 PM #26:	Well Apple did personally ask me, and as representative of B8, I told them we all love the swipe --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929248530] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Well Apple did personally ask me, and as representative of B8, I told them we all love the swipe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 10/25/19 11:30:29 PM #27:	Burn him! Button or riot --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:929249253] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Burn him! Button or riot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/26/19 12:35:40 AM #28:	And Rasmussen has Trump down to -13. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:929251027] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>And Rasmussen has Trump down to -13.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/26/19 12:36:21 AM #29:	Wow, barely above his 538 average of -13.9! --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929251043] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Wow, barely above his 538 average of -13.9! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/26/19 12:43:09 AM #30:	I've been starting to think about what leverage the voters will have over Trump in his 2nd term. He won't be up for reelection, so we won't have the power to remove him from office anymore. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929251231] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>I've been starting to think about what leverage the voters will have over Trump in his 2nd term. He won't be up for reelection, so we won't have the power to remove him from office anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/26/19 12:50:42 AM #31:	Maniac64 posted... Burn him! Button or riot They don't call me Swipe's Enigmatic Promoter for nothing --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929251424] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Maniac64 posted...</cite> <quote>Burn him! Button or riot</quote> They don't call me Swipe's Enigmatic Promoter for nothing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/26/19 1:03:37 AM #32:	Had an iPhone with no button for a year now. Ive gotten used to it but I still prefer the button --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:929251770] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Had an iPhone with no button for a year now. Ive gotten used to it but I still prefer the button</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/26/19 3:37:47 AM #33:	https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1187932895312334848?s=21 Wow, are you telling me that the White House is full of shit with their process complaints???? --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929254513] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1187932895312334848?s=21 Wow, are you telling me that the White House is full of shit with their process complaints???? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GildedFool 10/26/19 4:23:47 AM #34:	The EU has agreed to a Brexit extension but has not confirmed a date yet. They will do so early next week, possibly as late as Tuesday. No-deal Brexit occurs at 00:00 Friday 1st November. --- https://i.imgtc.com/tP0gkiQ.png <cite>GildedFool posted [p:929255119] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>The EU has agreed to a Brexit extension but has not confirmed a date yet. They will do so early next week, possibly as late as Tuesday. No-deal Brexit occurs at 00:00 Friday 1st November.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 10/26/19 11:22:16 AM #35:	"We Cant Find One Leftist Mark Zuckerberg Invited to Dinner" https://theintercept.com/2019/10/25/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-dinners/ (For context, Zuckerberg famously has dinner with a lot of right-wingers like Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson). --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:929262341] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>"We Cant Find One Leftist Mark Zuckerberg Invited to Dinner" https://theintercept.com/2019/10/25/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-dinners/ (For context, Zuckerberg famously has dinner with a lot of right-wingers like Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 10/26/19 11:48:21 AM #36:	red sox 777 posted... Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally. Ehh...he's got a pretty big scandal brewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZNtqyq682A" data-time=" The town of south bend is now (as of this week) considering subpoenaing him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZocxvHvZo" data-time=" This hasn't really hit the national news cycle yet as far as I know, cause Pete is pretty irrelevant right now, but if he ever climbs enough in the polls to look like a serious threat, we'll probably be talking about these stories. red sox 777 posted... Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point. Bernie Sanders also endorsed Hillary over Stein, for the record, so I don't know what this is supposed to prove. Like...really? Encouraging the left to split the presidential vote? If you actually care about passing left-wing policies, keeping the gains from the Affordable Care Act, etc I don't know what that accomplishes. Like...no joke, often the biggest contributors to the American green party are right wingers looking to cause the left to split the vote. For example: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/img-src-images-santorum1-jpg-hspace-5-vspace-5-align-left-gop-donors-funded-entire-pa-green-party-drive Even if Jill Stein was a good candidate, she wouldn't be a good endorsement for Warren or Sanders. And well...Jill Stein has some gargantuan problems of her own: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696 --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:929263055] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Pete seems like a nice guy. He's a little too young to have become corrupt, which is the big problem with the centrists generally.</quote> Ehh...he's got a pretty big scandal brewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZNtqyq682A" data-time=" The town of south bend is now (as of this week) considering subpoenaing him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZocxvHvZo" data-time=" This hasn't really hit the national news cycle yet as far as I know, cause Pete is pretty irrelevant right now, but if he ever climbs enough in the polls to look like a serious threat, we'll probably be talking about these stories. red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Even Warren can't escape the cloud entirely, since she endorsed Hillary after knowing about her giving speeches to banks for 250k a speech. Should have had the courage to endorse Jill Stein at that point.</quote> Bernie Sanders also endorsed Hillary over Stein, for the record, so I don't know what this is supposed to prove. Like...really? Encouraging the left to split the presidential vote? If you actually care about passing left-wing policies, keeping the gains from the Affordable Care Act, etc I don't know what that accomplishes. Like...no joke, often the biggest contributors to the American green party are right wingers looking to cause the left to split the vote. For example: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/img-src-images-santorum1-jpg-hspace-5-vspace-5-align-left-gop-donors-funded-entire-pa-green-party-drive Even if Jill Stein was a good candidate, she wouldn't be a good endorsement for Warren or Sanders. And well...Jill Stein has some gargantuan problems of her own: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/26/19 12:56:52 PM #37:	Is TYT credible? Honestly have no idea about them. I do remember the story about the chief being fired from around when Buttigieg entered. He handled that situation very badly but no one fucking cared about it then. Kinda skeptical people will start even with this angle. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:929265100] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Is TYT credible? Honestly have no idea about them. I do remember the story about the chief being fired from around when Buttigieg entered. He handled that situation very badly but no one fucking cared about it then. Kinda skeptical people will start even with this angle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 10/26/19 1:42:03 PM #38:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Is TYT credible? Honestly have no idea about them. Their news and the information they base their reporting on is generally solid; their editorializing and analysis is decidedly left-wing. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:929266624] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>Is TYT credible? Honestly have no idea about them.</quote> Their news and the information they base their reporting on is generally solid; their editorializing and analysis is decidedly left-wing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/26/19 1:45:34 PM #39:	I have watched them for years, I consider them very credible and yes they admit up front to being quite progressive. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929266743] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>I have watched them for years, I consider them very credible and yes they admit up front to being quite progressive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/26/19 2:13:18 PM #40:	Bernie had a lot of pressure put on him to endorse Hillary and he would have looked like a sore loser if he didn't. He did turn the spotlight on some of her bad aspects. He could have been tougher but given how much criticism he got for being about 1% as mean as Trump on a nice day, I can't blame him too much for failure to denounce Hillary. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929267644] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Bernie had a lot of pressure put on him to endorse Hillary and he would have looked like a sore loser if he didn't. He did turn the spotlight on some of her bad aspects. He could have been tougher but given how much criticism he got for being about 1% as mean as Trump on a nice day, I can't blame him too much for failure to denounce Hillary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 10/26/19 2:29:45 PM #41:	So all my targetted spam articles at the bottom of various websites just turned into pro-trump articles. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:929268200] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>So all my targetted spam articles at the bottom of various websites just turned into pro-trump articles. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/26/19 3:04:44 PM #42:	Another impeachable offense! https://twitter.com/sam_vinograd/status/1188096520261918720?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929269558] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Another impeachable offense! https://twitter.com/sam_vinograd/status/1188096520261918720?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/26/19 3:38:46 PM #43:	...and that contract was just awarded to Microsoft, inflicting 10 billion dollars of opportunity cost to Amazon due to the Washington Post utilizing their 1st Amendment freedoms: https://twitter.com/normative/status/1188115813162782721 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929270766] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>...and that contract was just awarded to Microsoft, inflicting 10 billion dollars of opportunity cost to Amazon due to the Washington Post utilizing their 1st Amendment freedoms: https://twitter.com/normative/status/1188115813162782721 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/26/19 3:41:08 PM #44:	The government has some free speech rights as well. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929270834] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>The government has some free speech rights as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/26/19 3:59:22 PM #45:	Boycott Amazon! --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929271561] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Boycott Amazon!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/26/19 3:59:47 PM #46:	LordoftheMorons posted... Another impeachable offense! https://twitter.com/sam_vinograd/status/1188096520261918720?s=21 I really hope Pelosi and Schiff et al are keeping track of this. I know the investigation itself is narrowly focused on Ukraine but give me like 20 fuckin articles of impeachment. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:929271575] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Another impeachable offense! https://twitter.com/sam_vinograd/status/1188096520261918720?s=21</quote> I really hope Pelosi and Schiff et al are keeping track of this. I know the investigation itself is narrowly focused on Ukraine but give me like 20 fuckin articles of impeachment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 10/26/19 4:04:25 PM #47:	Donald Trump honored with the Bipartisan Justice Award. Cool! --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:929271746] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Donald Trump honored with the Bipartisan Justice Award. Cool! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/26/19 4:10:02 PM #48:	Oh yeah that reminds me https://twitter.com/KendraJames_/status/1188132066069635075?s=19 Very cool! --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:929271921] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah that reminds me https://twitter.com/KendraJames_/status/1188132066069635075?s=19 Very cool! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/26/19 4:12:38 PM #49:	Im anti-boycotting Amazon tbqh --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929272010] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>Im anti-boycotting Amazon tbqh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/26/19 4:12:53 PM #50:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Oh yeah that reminds me https://twitter.com/KendraJames_/status/1188132066069635075?s=19 Very cool! What a fucker --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929272016] in Politics C... [t:78111151]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Oh yeah that reminds me https://twitter.com/KendraJames_/status/1188132066069635075?s=19 Very cool!</quote>What a fucker </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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