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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/21/19 4:53:27 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Reg posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Isn't that article by the same guy that wrote one saying the whistleblower isn't actually a whistleblower and it's all just the latest in partisan in-fighting and propaganda and that those pushing said whistleblower are just as bad as Trump

Yep

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/


Uh, did you guys...did you guys even read the article?

Hes using the Ukraine whistleblower to decry the treatment of whistleblowers in the past, at the end he even acknowledges that the person could end up the same way, but hypothesizes there would be selective outrage by the media against Trump and ignoring the awful precedent there is for treatment of whistleblowers.


In 2016 we saw a pair of electoral revolts, one on the right and one on the left, against the cratering popularity of our political elite. The rightist populist revolt succeeded, the Sanders movement did not. Ukrainegate to me looks like a continuation of Russiagate, which was a reaction of that defeated political elite to the rightists. I dont feel solidarity with either group.


That sounds about right. Actual whistleblowers are alone. The Ukraine complaint seems to be the work of a group of people, supported by significant institutional power, not only in the intelligence community, but in the Democratic Party and the commercial press.


The argument thats supposed to be galvanizing everyone right now is the idea that we need to stand up and be counted, because failing to rally to the cause is effectively advocacy for Trump. This line of thinking is based on the presumption that Trump is clearly worse than the people opposing him.


He's doing both.

EDIT: He's a heavy denier of Russia being involved in anything, and likening "Ukrainegate" to "Russiagate" suggests he thinks there's no real whistleblower, either.
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