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Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 5:44:06 PM #101:	Godnorgosh posted... Now this is ironic, defender of the system in which empty homes outnumber the entire homeless population Free enterprise creates more than enough homes to live in, you are correct. And at a way higher quality, of course. I'm not sure what capitalism has to do with city councils keeping the housing supply artificially low, or a disproportionately high number of empty homes in the US being in cities that have experienced population decline. Godnorgosh posted... half of food produced is thrown away. You are actually using the fact that we produce more food than we need as an argument against capitalism. Godnorgosh posted... I'm definitely willing to credit the profit motive, introduced by capitalism, for not doing anything substantial to regulate carbon emissions even though we understand the implications of not doing anything. So again, using bad public policy as an argument for a discredited 19th-century economic system. Weird how socialist states didn't have the "problem" of profit but still had no regard for the environment. Really makes u think. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928294243] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Now this is ironic, defender of the system in which empty homes outnumber the entire homeless population</quote> Free enterprise creates more than enough homes to live in, you are correct. And at a way higher quality, of course. I'm not sure what capitalism has to do with city councils keeping the housing supply artificially low, or a disproportionately high number of empty homes in the US being in cities that have experienced population decline. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>half of food produced is thrown away.</quote> You are actually using the fact that we produce more food than we need as an argument against capitalism. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>I'm definitely willing to credit the profit motive, introduced by capitalism, for not doing anything substantial to regulate carbon emissions even though we understand the implications of not doing anything.</quote> So again, using bad public policy as an argument for a discredited 19th-century economic system. Weird how socialist states didn't have the "problem" of profit but still had no regard for the environment. Really makes u think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 10/03/19 5:52:50 PM #102:	coh posted... It isn't. British Raj & the Congo say hi --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:928294579] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>It isn't.</quote> British Raj & the Congo say hi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 10/03/19 6:02:42 PM #103:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Godnorgosh posted... These questions and others like it should be asked whenever someone says "We should keep this system, but regulate it." There's a reason we're not regulating it now. A better question is why we would abandon the most successful and efficient economic system in human history because of bad public policy in the US. Are you still talking about neoliberalism? Here's another thing I checked out https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html Venezuela has the 2nd highest murder rate, U.S. Virgin Islands is 3rd, while Mexico is 22nd, United States proper is 111st, and Cuba has the lowest at 118th. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:928294984] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>These questions and others like it should be asked whenever someone says "We should keep this system, but regulate it." There's a reason we're not regulating it now.</quote> A better question is why we would abandon the most successful and efficient economic system in human history because of bad public policy in the US.</quote> Are you still talking about neoliberalism? Here's another thing I checked out https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html Venezuela has the 2nd highest murder rate, U.S. Virgin Islands is 3rd, while Mexico is 22nd, United States proper is 111st, and Cuba has the lowest at 118th.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 6:20:51 PM #106:	Godnorgosh posted... If the issue is that the housing supply is artificially low, then why do we have unaffordable housing even with a 6-to-1 ratio of empty homes to homeless people? Probably because your socialist sized brain isn't capable of factoring in geography when it comes to housing. A smarter person might take note that the cities with the highest vacancy rates aren't the same cities with the highest homeless rates, but not you! "How can California have such a bad homeless problem when Detroit has so many empty homes???" A question sure to baffle even the smartest socialist. Godnorgosh posted... You literally just used "efficient resource allocation" as an argument in favor of capitalism, yet now you're spinning inefficient use of food as a good thing. Please. Yeah isn't it awful that we produce so much food to the point that some of it gets thrown out and half the adult population is obese? The problem here is that your idea of socialist efficiency is no rat going to waste in Venezuela. Godnorgosh posted... Bad public policy caused by what? People, who don't magically disappear because you switch economic systems. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928295740] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote> If the issue is that the housing supply is artificially low, then why do we have unaffordable housing even with a 6-to-1 ratio of empty homes to homeless people? </quote> Probably because your socialist sized brain isn't capable of factoring in geography when it comes to housing. A smarter person might take note that the cities with the highest vacancy rates aren't the same cities with the highest homeless rates, but not you! "How can California have such a bad homeless problem when Detroit has so many empty homes???" A question sure to baffle even the smartest socialist. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote> You literally just used "efficient resource allocation" as an argument in favor of capitalism, yet now you're spinning inefficient use of food as a good thing. Please.</quote> Yeah isn't it awful that we produce so much food to the point that some of it gets thrown out and half the adult population is obese? The problem here is that your idea of socialist efficiency is no rat going to waste in Venezuela. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Bad public policy caused by what? </quote> People, who don't magically disappear because you switch economic systems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 10/03/19 6:23:20 PM #107:	@Balrog0 are you in DC or elsewhere? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:928295837] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>@Balrog0 are you in DC or elsewhere?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 6:46:01 PM #109:	Godnorgosh posted... Oh no, I'm well aware of that. You actually weren't, since no intelligent person would compare the two statistics in the first place without factoring in geography. But hey, now you know. Godnorgosh posted... Nah, my idea of efficiency is production for use so that people who lack for food have access to it. Right, we're both saying socialism is inefficient. Mass starvation is not a good example of efficient agricultural production. Godnorgosh posted... But Vuvuzela!!! Why do socialist get so defensive when you bring up actual examples of their policies in action? Godnorgosh posted... Okay, let's be reductive and ignore the financial interests that come into play and just say it's people. That's not the behavior of someone sticking one's head in the sand or anything. If I was wrong you'd be able to explain to us why the USSR had worse environmental policies than the US. But you can't . <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928296808] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Oh no, I'm well aware of that.</quote> You actually weren't, since no intelligent person would compare the two statistics in the first place without factoring in geography. But hey, now you know. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Nah, my idea of efficiency is production for use so that people who lack for food have access to it. </quote> Right, we're both saying socialism is inefficient. Mass starvation is not a good example of efficient agricultural production. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>But Vuvuzela!!!</quote> Why do socialist get so defensive when you bring up actual examples of their policies in action? Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, let's be reductive and ignore the financial interests that come into play and just say it's people. That's not the behavior of someone sticking one's head in the sand or anything.</quote> If I was wrong you'd be able to explain to us why the USSR had worse environmental policies than the US. But you can't .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 10/03/19 6:48:18 PM #110:	Was it like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX9FgvXZXZ8" data-time=" --- https://i.imgtc.ws/MAd5hwq.gif <cite>Middle hope posted [p:928296903] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Was it like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX9FgvXZXZ8" data-time=" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/03/19 7:14:42 PM #112:	Leftists didn't think Venezuela was state capitalism a handful of years ago when it still looked like Venezuela was gonna do well lmao --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928297950] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Leftists didn't think Venezuela was state capitalism a handful of years ago when it still looked like Venezuela was gonna do well lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/03/19 7:17:56 PM #113:	"Not Real Socialism" --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928298088] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>"Not Real Socialism"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 7:18:12 PM #114:	Godnorgosh posted... Unless the point is that this mismatch between housing and homeless people is just another example of inefficiency Your original argument was "more empty homes than homeless people" though, you only acknowledged the geography problem (which negates your entire argument) after I brought it up. But yes, capitalist building enough homes to meet demand in Detroit is a great example of efficiency. It's sad that anti-capitalist in certain cities keep blocking new housing. Godnorgosh posted... Yep, of course it's actual socialism when something goes wrong I guess socialist are just super unlucky. It'll work next time, maybe. Godnorgosh posted... Can you pull up the post where I called myself a Stalinist or said I agreed with the policies of the USSR? If so then I'd be happy to discuss this further. You said profit is to blame for climate change. But socialist regimes who don't have the "problem" of profit-seeking have even worse environmental policies. Why? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928298098] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Unless the point is that this mismatch between housing and homeless people is just another example of inefficiency</quote> Your original argument was "more empty homes than homeless people" though, you only acknowledged the geography problem (which negates your entire argument) after I brought it up. But yes, capitalist building enough homes to meet demand in Detroit is a great example of efficiency. It's sad that anti-capitalist in certain cities keep blocking new housing. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Yep, of course it's actual socialism when something goes wrong</quote> I guess socialist are just super unlucky. It'll work next time, maybe. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Can you pull up the post where I called myself a Stalinist or said I agreed with the policies of the USSR? If so then I'd be happy to discuss this further.</quote> You said profit is to blame for climate change. But socialist regimes who don't have the "problem" of profit-seeking have even worse environmental policies. Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 7:23:31 PM #115:	Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928298314] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 7:33:08 PM #116:	Anteaterking posted... @Balrog0 are you in DC or elsewhere? Pittsburgh --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928298724] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Anteaterking posted... </cite> <quote>@Balrog0 are you in DC or elsewhere?</quote>Pittsburgh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 7:38:55 PM #117:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. @Godnorgosh --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928298980] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> @Godnorgosh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 10/03/19 7:39:09 PM #118:	So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:928298992] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/03/19 7:49:55 PM #119:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928299404] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/03/19 7:52:01 PM #121:	DarkRoast posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will. Source? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928299481] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will.</quote> Source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 7:52:18 PM #122:	Broseph_Stalin posted... ?????? that was your entire point, you questioned my comment about soviet agriculture, even though it was common knowledge. I showed the data. The end. averagejoel posted... that doesn't actually mean that the industries were "inherently" inefficient --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928299494] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>?????? that was your entire point, you questioned my comment about soviet agriculture, even though it was common knowledge. I showed the data. The end.</quote> averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>that doesn't actually mean that the industries were "inherently" inefficient</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 10/03/19 7:53:23 PM #124:	pls posted... DarkRoast posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will. Source? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/bernie-sanders-hires-reporter-david-sirota-who-has-bashed-candidates/3216513002/ --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928299554] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will.</quote> Source?</quote> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/bernie-sanders-hires-reporter-david-sirota-who-has-bashed-candidates/3216513002/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 10/03/19 7:56:15 PM #125:	Godnorgosh posted... pls posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. @Godnorgosh I guess that sucks for David Sirota. Not so much for everyone who knew and acknowledged all along that Venezuela is a state-capitalist country. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928299672] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> @Godnorgosh</quote> I guess that sucks for David Sirota. Not so much for everyone who knew and acknowledged all along that Venezuela is a state-capitalist country.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 7:57:07 PM #126:	Godnorgosh posted... Detroit is also one of those cities facing significant losses in population (they lost 61% since the 1950 census), so if there's enough housing there for those remaining, that's not particularly surprising Exactly. You used vacancy rates in certain cities, but homeless rates in other cities instead of factoring in geography. Godnorgosh posted... lmao at blaming insufficient housing on anti-capitalists. You don't know what NIMBYism is and you're actually discussing housing policy anyway. Amazing. Godnorgosh posted... Uh-huh, sure profit wasn't involved here. Fucking soviets and their love of, uh, profits? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928299702] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote> Detroit is also one of those cities facing significant losses in population (they lost 61% since the 1950 census), so if there's enough housing there for those remaining, that's not particularly surprising</quote> Exactly. You used vacancy rates in certain cities, but homeless rates in other cities instead of factoring in geography. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>lmao at blaming insufficient housing on anti-capitalists.</quote> You don't know what NIMBYism is and you're actually discussing housing policy anyway. Amazing. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Uh-huh, sure profit wasn't involved here.</quote> Fucking soviets and their love of, uh, profits?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 10/03/19 8:03:10 PM #128:	So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:928299906] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 10/03/19 8:04:28 PM #130:	Socialism. Where the rich corporate fatcats move to government and do literally the exact same thing, with added political immunity. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:928299955] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Socialism. Where the rich corporate fatcats move to government and do literally the exact same thing, with added political immunity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 8:05:19 PM #131:	Webmaster4531 posted... So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive. well the only thing being said about socialism is that it isnt capitalism and capitalism is bad the problems with socialist countries are being attributed to profits and/or vague claims that they aren't 'inherently' inefficient so you know theres plenty of blame to go around --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928299990] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive.</quote>well the only thing being said about socialism is that it isnt capitalism and capitalism is bad the problems with socialist countries are being attributed to profits and/or vague claims that they aren't 'inherently' inefficient so you know theres plenty of blame to go around </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:05:58 PM #132:	Godnorgosh posted... Are we conflating NIMBYism and anti-capitalism now? Amazing. You don't know what NIMBYism is. Godnorgosh posted... pparently among some officials, if you want to try reading this again: a time when many officials felt that pollution control was an unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization I read it. Profit not found. There was no profit. It was literally the Soviet Union. What don't you understand about this? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928300013] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Are we conflating NIMBYism and anti-capitalism now? Amazing. </quote> You don't know what NIMBYism is. Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>pparently among some officials, if you want to try reading this again: a time when many officials felt that pollution control was an unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization</quote> I read it. Profit not found. There was no profit. It was literally the Soviet Union. What don't you understand about this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:09:31 PM #133:	Godnorgosh posted... pls posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. @Godnorgosh I guess that sucks for David Sirota. Not so much for everyone who knew and acknowledged all along that Venezuela is a state-capitalist country. Yikes DarkRoast posted... pls posted... DarkRoast posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will. Source? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/bernie-sanders-hires-reporter-david-sirota-who-has-bashed-candidates/3216513002/ Also yikes --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928300179] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> @Godnorgosh</quote> I guess that sucks for David Sirota. Not so much for everyone who knew and acknowledged all along that Venezuela is a state-capitalist country.</quote> Yikes DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Before: After: Actually, that was state capitalism. </quote> The author of that article is now an advisor for the Sanders campaign. The guy who praised a man whose economics resulted in people literally eating their own pets and zoo animals. Glean from that what you will.</quote> Source?</quote> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/bernie-sanders-hires-reporter-david-sirota-who-has-bashed-candidates/3216513002/</quote> Also yikes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 10/03/19 8:14:19 PM #134:	Balrog0 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive. well the only thing being said about socialism is that it isnt capitalism and capitalism is bad the problems with socialist countries are being attributed to profits and/or vague claims that they aren't 'inherently' inefficient so you know theres plenty of blame to go around If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism". So we're all in agreement that neoliberalism didn't make Mexico a crime free paradise? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:928300361] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>So far the only thing said of neoliberalism is Mexico is doing better than Venezuela. Well gee that's not impressive.</quote>well the only thing being said about socialism is that it isnt capitalism and capitalism is bad the problems with socialist countries are being attributed to profits and/or vague claims that they aren't 'inherently' inefficient so you know theres plenty of blame to go around </quote> If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism". So we're all in agreement that neoliberalism didn't make Mexico a crime free paradise?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 8:15:33 PM #135:	Webmaster4531 posted... If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism". yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928300403] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism".</quote> yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 10/03/19 8:18:33 PM #136:	Balrog0 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism". yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely You really think pls or broseph wouldn't? edit: Still not seeing any victories for neoliberalism. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:928300526] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism".</quote> yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely </quote> You really think pls or broseph wouldn't? edit: Still not seeing any victories for neoliberalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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-Cipher- 10/03/19 8:22:48 PM #140:	weird how as education increases the collective intelligence decreases <cite>-Cipher- posted [p:928300711] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>weird how as education increases the collective intelligence decreases</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:24:54 PM #141:	Balrog0 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism". yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely They have both said they are communists, not socialists. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928300785] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism".</quote> yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely </quote> They have both said they are communists, not socialists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/03/19 8:25:18 PM #142:	pls posted... Balrog0 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism". yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely They have both said they are communists, not socialists. More like you don't know the difference between communism and socialism. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:928300798] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>If I mentioned a Nordic country with socialist policies someone will say "That's not socialism".</quote> yeah, socialists like godnorgosh and averagejoel most likely </quote> They have both said they are communists, not socialists.</quote> More like you don't know the difference between communism and socialism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:26:04 PM #143:	Godnorgosh posted... Yes I do. Why do you think you're in a position to assume what I do and don't know? Because you've already shown itt you talk about things you aren't informed about? Real estate developer wants to build housing to meet demand in SF. Has to go in front of a local council. They deny him a permit to build. "This is gentrification, this is neoliberalism, you can't profit off of housing!" You: "But what does the government have to do with a housing shortage????" <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928300832] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Yes I do. Why do you think you're in a position to assume what I do and don't know?</quote> Because you've already shown itt you talk about things you aren't informed about? Real estate developer wants to build housing to meet demand in SF. Has to go in front of a local council. They deny him a permit to build. "This is gentrification, this is neoliberalism, you can't profit off of housing!" You: "But what does the government have to do with a housing shortage????"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:26:50 PM #144:	Godnorgosh posted... Actually, the USSR was capitalist Ah, <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928300862] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, the USSR was capitalist</quote> Ah,</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:28:51 PM #145:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Godnorgosh posted... Yes I do. Why do you think you're in a position to assume what I do and don't know? Because you've already shown itt you talk about things you aren't informed about? Real estate developer wants to build housing to meet demand in SF. Has to go in front of a local council. They deny him a permit to build. "This is gentrification, this is neoliberalism, you can't profit off of housing!" You: "But what does the government have to do with a housing shortage????" The problem with that argument is that the reason those people reject additional building permits is because many times they're doing what the investors want. They are bribed / controlled by the people who become immensely wealthy due to the housing scarcity there. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928300948] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Yes I do. Why do you think you're in a position to assume what I do and don't know?</quote> Because you've already shown itt you talk about things you aren't informed about? Real estate developer wants to build housing to meet demand in SF. Has to go in front of a local council. They deny him a permit to build. "This is gentrification, this is neoliberalism, you can't profit off of housing!" You: "But what does the government have to do with a housing shortage????"</quote> The problem with that argument is that the reason those people reject additional building permits is because many times they're doing what the investors want. They are bribed / controlled by the people who become immensely wealthy due to the housing scarcity there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 8:30:23 PM #146:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Godnorgosh posted... Actually, the USSR was capitalist Ah, did this account become another proudclad alt or something? I seem to remember you being good not that long ago --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928301010] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, the USSR was capitalist</quote> Ah,</quote> did this account become another proudclad alt or something? I seem to remember you being good not that long ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:30:33 PM #147:	pls posted... because many times they're doing what the investors want. the investors want to build housing, or otherwise they wouldn't be applying for a permit in the first place it literally cost millions of dollars just to go through the process, just to get denied by some woke moron elected by a bunch of """democratic""" socialist <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928301022] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>because many times they're doing what the investors want.</quote> the investors want to build housing, or otherwise they wouldn't be applying for a permit in the first place it literally cost millions of dollars just to go through the process, just to get denied by some woke moron elected by a bunch of """democratic""" socialist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 10/03/19 8:31:56 PM #148:	Broseph_Stalin posted... the investors want to build housing, or otherwise they wouldn't be applying for a permit in the first place Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:928301079] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>the investors want to build housing, or otherwise they wouldn't be applying for a permit in the first place</quote> Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:31:57 PM #149:	Broseph_Stalin posted... pls posted... because many times they're doing what the investors want. the investors want to build housing, or otherwise they wouldn't be applying for a permit in the first place it literally cost millions of dollars just to go through the process, just to get denied by some woke moron elected by a bunch of """democratic""" socialist Those investors who want to build are the good guys. The bad guys are the San Francisco champagne socialists who made millions when their home/second home went up in value, and they want to retain their property value by blocking additional construction. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928301080] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>because many times they're doing what the investors want.</quote> the investors want to build housing, or otherwise they wouldn't be applying for a permit in the first place it literally cost millions of dollars just to go through the process, just to get denied by some woke moron elected by a bunch of """democratic""" socialist</quote> Those investors who want to build are the good guys. The bad guys are the San Francisco champagne socialists who made millions when their home/second home went up in value, and they want to retain their property value by blocking additional construction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:32:17 PM #150:	averagejoel posted... did this account become another proudclad alt or something? I seem to remember you being good not that long ago He literally posted an opinion piece claiming the USSR was a capitalist country. And I've never been a socialist, socialist are terrible people. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928301096] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>did this account become another proudclad alt or something? I seem to remember you being good not that long ago </quote> He literally posted an opinion piece claiming the USSR was a capitalist country. And I've never been a socialist, socialist are terrible people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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