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Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:33:50 PM #151:	Intro2Logic posted... Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. When you flood the market with new housing, you take pressure off of all renters. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928301157] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. </quote> When you flood the market with new housing, you take pressure off of all renters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:36:28 PM #152:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Intro2Logic posted... Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. When you flood the market with new housing, you take pressure off of all renters. You realize that they can't put two and two together and think logically because they choose to be ignorant about this, right? They want their views to be right even if they are wrong. It's why averagejoel pretends to have me on his ignore list after I thrashed him in some threads where he clearly had no idea what he was talking about. Both averagejoel and Godnorgosh are literally communists who believe violent revolution is necessary to implement their visions for the species. You should realize who you are trying to reason with. They are both dishonest. They cannot be reasoned with. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928301267] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. </quote> When you flood the market with new housing, you take pressure off of all renters.</quote> You realize that they can't put two and two together and think logically because they choose to be ignorant about this, right? They want their views to be right even if they are wrong. It's why averagejoel pretends to have me on his ignore list after I thrashed him in some threads where he clearly had no idea what he was talking about. Both averagejoel and Godnorgosh are literally communists who believe violent revolution is necessary to implement their visions for the species. You should realize who you are trying to reason with. They are both dishonest. They cannot be reasoned with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/03/19 8:39:58 PM #154:	Broseph_Stalin posted... averagejoel posted... did this account become another proudclad alt or something? I seem to remember you being good not that long ago He literally posted an opinion piece claiming the USSR was a capitalist country. you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous, and is also a major point of contention among many different branches of socialist thought, right? And I've never been a socialist, socialist are terrible people. and yet, you immediately associate "good" with socialist............ seems like a check mate to me --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928301427] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>did this account become another proudclad alt or something? I seem to remember you being good not that long ago </quote> He literally posted an opinion piece claiming the USSR was a capitalist country.</quote> you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous, and is also a major point of contention among many different branches of socialist thought, right? <quote>And I've never been a socialist, socialist are terrible people.</quote> and yet, you immediately associate "good" with socialist............ seems like a check mate to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 8:41:01 PM #155:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Intro2Logic posted... Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. When you flood the market with new housing, you take pressure off of all renters. building new housing is not the same thing as "flooding the market with new housing" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928301466] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>Build housing for who? Developers don't get the return they want from housing the people who are currently homeless can afford. </quote> When you flood the market with new housing, you take pressure off of all renters.</quote> building new housing is not the same thing as "flooding the market with new housing"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 8:41:48 PM #156:	btw @averagejoel to answer your question about why I object to calling the US a 'capitalist' country is that I think the terms aren't helpful or clarifying in anyway as they're actually applied if you can refer to the soviet union, norway, venezuela, and the us as all being capitalist countries then its not doing anything useful fair point, though, I mean the broadly applied label for an economic system rather than applying the term capitalist to actual capitalists. but I would also argue that the way we talk about it is flawed, because, for example, homes and cars can and in practice both are consumer goods but also capital goods. so its hard for me to see a clear and easy distinction between capitalists and laborers in a modern economy. I know that socialists distinguish between private property and personal property (at least sometimes) but the distinction seems untenable to me --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928301501] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>btw @averagejoel to answer your question about why I object to calling the US a 'capitalist' country is that I think the terms aren't helpful or clarifying in anyway as they're actually applied if you can refer to the soviet union, norway, venezuela, and the us as all being capitalist countries then its not doing anything useful fair point, though, I mean the broadly applied label for an economic system rather than applying the term capitalist to actual capitalists. but I would also argue that the way we talk about it is flawed, because, for example, homes and cars can and in practice both are consumer goods but also capital goods. so its hard for me to see a clear and easy distinction between capitalists and laborers in a modern economy. I know that socialists distinguish between private property and personal property (at least sometimes) but the distinction seems untenable to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:42:55 PM #157:	Godnorgosh posted... Like you were uninformed about the severe population decline in Detroit I'm litterally the person who brought up population decline in Detroit, what are you on? Godnorgosh posted... Oh really, you think that's the reason permits are denied? Show me the evidence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgxwKnH8y4" data-time="&start=635 Like I said, don't start arguments about things you know nothing about. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928301546] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Like you were uninformed about the severe population decline in Detroit </quote> I'm litterally the person who brought up population decline in Detroit, what are you on? Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Oh really, you think that's the reason permits are denied? Show me the evidence</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgxwKnH8y4" data-time="&start=635 Like I said, don't start arguments about things you know nothing about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 8:45:16 PM #158:	averagejoel posted... you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous, and is also a major point of contention among many different branches of socialist thought, right? "You can't really say the USSR was socialist, but it was definitely capitalist" You people are clowns. averagejoel posted... building new housing is not the same thing as "flooding the market with new housing" Yes, it is because the housing is being built over low-density buildings and single-family homes. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928301646] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous, and is also a major point of contention among many different branches of socialist thought, right? </quote> "You can't really say the USSR was socialist, but it was definitely capitalist" You people are clowns. averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>building new housing is not the same thing as "flooding the market with new housing" </quote> Yes, it is because the housing is being built over low-density buildings and single-family homes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:45:52 PM #159:	Broseph_Stalin posted... You people are clowns. I keep warning you but you keep trying to engage them, dude --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928301678] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>You people are clowns.</quote> I keep warning you but you keep trying to engage them, dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 10/03/19 8:47:49 PM #160:	Is averagejoel really pls posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... You people are clowns. I keep warning you but you keep trying to engage them, dude Why anyone engages with a guy who supports murdering the young children of the rich bourgeoisie due to his wealth jealousy is beyond me. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:928301756] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Is averagejoel really pls posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>You people are clowns.</quote> I keep warning you but you keep trying to engage them, dude</quote> Why anyone engages with a guy who supports murdering the young children of the rich bourgeoisie due to his wealth jealousy is beyond me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 8:53:00 PM #161:	The Admiral posted... Is averagejoel really pls posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... You people are clowns. I keep warning you but you keep trying to engage them, dude Why anyone engages with a guy who supports murdering the young children of the rich bourgeoisie due to his wealth jealousy is beyond me. maybe @Broseph_Stalin simply doesn't know that detail about our good ol comrade averagejoel --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928301957] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Is averagejoel really pls posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>You people are clowns.</quote> I keep warning you but you keep trying to engage them, dude</quote> Why anyone engages with a guy who supports murdering the young children of the rich bourgeoisie due to his wealth jealousy is beyond me.</quote> maybe @Broseph_Stalin simply doesn't know that detail about our good ol comrade averagejoel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/03/19 8:57:48 PM #163:	Broseph_Stalin posted... "You can't really say the USSR was socialist, but it was definitely capitalist" You people are clowns. you should probably try to actually engage with what I said, rather than making up something irrelevant and attacking that instead Broseph_Stalin posted... Yes, it is because the housing is being built over low-density buildings and single-family homes. this has nothing to do with my statement. please try again --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928302167] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>"You can't really say the USSR was socialist, but it was definitely capitalist" You people are clowns. </quote> you should probably try to actually engage with what I said, rather than making up something irrelevant and attacking that instead Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, it is because the housing is being built over low-density buildings and single-family homes.</quote> this has nothing to do with my statement. please try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:01:01 PM #164:	@Balrog0 why do you engage with these comrades? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928302293] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>@Balrog0 why do you engage with these comrades?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 9:01:58 PM #165:	pls posted... @Balrog0 why do you engage with these comrades? its really important for the health of the economy and our country to have a strong labor movement --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928302333] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted... </cite> <quote>@Balrog0 why do you engage with these comrades?</quote> its really important for the health of the economy and our country to have a strong labor movement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 9:05:23 PM #166:	one thing that was actually kind of funny though and I think shows some of the tension in the leftist movements in this country The elected who was there was really popular and got a lot of applause lines for her story and the kind of things she advocates for. The one thing she said that didn't get applause was about when she interviewed with a local labor council for their endorsement and she said they didn't endorse her because the union was all a bunch of middle age white guys. Its not like she got booed or anything so its not like the crowd wasnt sympathetic to the idea that the unions lack of diversity was problematic but they also didnt go all in agreeing with her the way they did everything else she said --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928302469] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>one thing that was actually kind of funny though and I think shows some of the tension in the leftist movements in this country The elected who was there was really popular and got a lot of applause lines for her story and the kind of things she advocates for. The one thing she said that didn't get applause was about when she interviewed with a local labor council for their endorsement and she said they didn't endorse her because the union was all a bunch of middle age white guys. Its not like she got booed or anything so its not like the crowd wasnt sympathetic to the idea that the unions lack of diversity was problematic but they also didnt go all in agreeing with her the way they did everything else she said </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:06:21 PM #167:	Balrog0 posted... pls posted... @Balrog0 why do you engage with these comrades? its really important for the health of the economy and our country to have a strong labor movement yeah but it's also important to, you know, have a fucking economy --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928302512] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted... </cite> <quote>@Balrog0 why do you engage with these comrades?</quote> its really important for the health of the economy and our country to have a strong labor movement </quote> yeah but it's also important to, you know, have a fucking economy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:07:17 PM #168:	Balrog0 posted... one thing that was actually kind of funny though and I think shows some of the tension in the leftist movements in this country The elected who was there was really popular and got a lot of applause lines for her story and the kind of things she advocates for. The one thing she said that didn't get applause was about when she interviewed with a local labor council for their endorsement and she said they didn't endorse her because the union was all a bunch of middle age white guys. Its not like she got booed or anything so its not like the crowd wasnt sympathetic to the idea that the unions lack of diversity was problematic but they also didnt go all in agreeing with her the way they did everything else she said well that's a positive at least. maybe not all of them believe white dudes can't be diverse --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928302554] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>one thing that was actually kind of funny though and I think shows some of the tension in the leftist movements in this country The elected who was there was really popular and got a lot of applause lines for her story and the kind of things she advocates for. The one thing she said that didn't get applause was about when she interviewed with a local labor council for their endorsement and she said they didn't endorse her because the union was all a bunch of middle age white guys. Its not like she got booed or anything so its not like the crowd wasnt sympathetic to the idea that the unions lack of diversity was problematic but they also didnt go all in agreeing with her the way they did everything else she said </quote> well that's a positive at least. maybe not all of them believe white dudes can't be diverse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 9:07:30 PM #169:	pls posted... yeah but it's also important to, you know, have a fucking economy its not like a bunch of commies in a hotel in pittsburgh are going to some how out work the business industry associations like chambers of commerce or anything at least I doubt they will --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928302565] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted... </cite> <quote>yeah but it's also important to, you know, have a fucking economy</quote> its not like a bunch of commies in a hotel in pittsburgh are going to some how out work the business industry associations like chambers of commerce or anything at least I doubt they will </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:09:07 PM #170:	Balrog0 posted... pls posted... yeah but it's also important to, you know, have a fucking economy its not like a bunch of commies in a hotel in pittsburgh are going to some how out work the business industry associations like chambers of commerce or anything at least I doubt they will no, but they'll vote and prop up someone who is more left than bernie eventually and bernie's already kinda suspicious having drank the Soviet Union kool aid and hired that one Salon writer who praised Venezuela as a beacon of socialism I'm still voting for Bernie because of the climate plan but he does have a lot of bad ideas and his base is liable to push for someone even further left --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928302630] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted... </cite> <quote>yeah but it's also important to, you know, have a fucking economy</quote> its not like a bunch of commies in a hotel in pittsburgh are going to some how out work the business industry associations like chambers of commerce or anything at least I doubt they will </quote> no, but they'll vote and prop up someone who is more left than bernie eventually and bernie's already kinda suspicious having drank the Soviet Union kool aid and hired that one Salon writer who praised Venezuela as a beacon of socialism I'm still voting for Bernie because of the climate plan but he does have a lot of bad ideas and his base is liable to push for someone even further left</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 9:13:01 PM #171:	Godnorgosh posted... Then why would you attribute adequate housing in Detroit to capitalist efficiency Because Detroit's population used to double every 10 years and the market successfully met the demand for new housing there. That's why Detroit has housing. Houses are not empty in Detroit because of market inefficiencies, they are empty because the population is declining. Your argument that America has tons of empty homes and still has a homeless problem is dishonest. Vacant homes in Detroit can't help the homeless in San Francisco. The market would love to meet demand for housing in places like SF, but they are blocked by NIMBYs who you had no idea even existed. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928302815] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Then why would you attribute adequate housing in Detroit to capitalist efficiency </quote> Because Detroit's population used to double every 10 years and the market successfully met the demand for new housing there. That's why Detroit has housing. Houses are not empty in Detroit because of market inefficiencies, they are empty because the population is declining. Your argument that America has tons of empty homes and still has a homeless problem is dishonest. Vacant homes in Detroit can't help the homeless in San Francisco. The market would love to meet demand for housing in places like SF, but they are blocked by NIMBYs who you had no idea even existed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 9:19:03 PM #172:	averagejoel posted... you should probably try to actually engage with what I said Earlier you were asking for proof when I said Soviet industry was inefficient, now you're saying it wasn't real socialism. You have to argue in bad faith because your discredited 19th-century economic system can't be defended on its own merits, I really don't care what you have to say. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928303063] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you should probably try to actually engage with what I said</quote> Earlier you were asking for proof when I said Soviet industry was inefficient, now you're saying it wasn't real socialism. You have to argue in bad faith because your discredited 19th-century economic system can't be defended on its own merits, I really don't care what you have to say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:20:14 PM #173:	I might have to agree with Joel on the fact that just a few months age @Broseph_Stalin was completely different tbqh HMMMMMMM --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928303112] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>I might have to agree with Joel on the fact that just a few months age @Broseph_Stalin was completely different tbqh HMMMMMMM</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/03/19 9:21:37 PM #174:	this is pretty consistent with what I've known of him --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:928303171] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>this is pretty consistent with what I've known of him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 9:24:35 PM #175:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Earlier you were asking for proof when I said Soviet industry was inefficient, now you're saying it wasn't real socialism. I asked for proof, but that was adjacent to my main point, which you still have not actually addressed: averagejoel posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... ?????? that was your entire point, you questioned my comment about soviet agriculture, even though it was common knowledge. I showed the data. The end. averagejoel posted... that doesn't actually mean that the industries were "inherently" inefficient also, point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928303286] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Earlier you were asking for proof when I said Soviet industry was inefficient, now you're saying it wasn't real socialism. </quote> I asked for proof, but that was adjacent to my main point, which you still have not actually addressed: averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>?????? that was your entire point, you questioned my comment about soviet agriculture, even though it was common knowledge. I showed the data. The end.</quote> averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>that doesn't actually mean that the industries were "inherently" inefficient</quote></quote> also, point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 9:26:15 PM #176:	Broseph_Stalin posted... You have to argue in bad faith because your discredited 19th-century economic system can't be defended on its own merits, I really don't care what you have to say. which 19th-century economic system are we talking about here? socialism was an ideology at that point, not an existing economic system --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928303360] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>You have to argue in bad faith because your discredited 19th-century economic system can't be defended on its own merits, I really don't care what you have to say.</quote> which 19th-century economic system are we talking about here? socialism was an ideology at that point, not an existing economic system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 9:30:56 PM #177:	averagejoel posted... I asked for proof, but that was adjacent to my main point, which you still have not actually addressed: And I've already explained that industry without private enterprise or profit-seeking to incentivize innovation is inherently inefficient. Do you think the USSR collapsed because it was just too efficient? Do you have any examples of such a thing? Because I can definitely branch out from agriculture if you want more examples of the USSR being a shitshow. For something that wasn't real socialism you sure have a weird desire to defend it. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928303553] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I asked for proof, but that was adjacent to my main point, which you still have not actually addressed: </quote> And I've already explained that industry without private enterprise or profit-seeking to incentivize innovation is inherently inefficient. Do you think the USSR collapsed because it was just too efficient? Do you have any examples of such a thing? Because I can definitely branch out from agriculture if you want more examples of the USSR being a shitshow. For something that wasn't real socialism you sure have a weird desire to defend it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 9:32:03 PM #178:	averagejoel posted... you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous averagejoel posted... point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism" this is too easy <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928303599] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous</quote> averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism"</quote> this is too easy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 9:36:56 PM #179:	Broseph_Stalin posted... And I've already explained that industry without private enterprise or profit-seeking to incentivize innovation is inherently inefficient. no, you showed specific examples of it being inefficient. you did not give adequate evidence to show that it is inherently inefficient. Do you think the USSR collapsed because it was just too efficient? no Do you have any examples of such a thing? I'm not the one making the claim without adequate evidence Because I can definitely branch out from agriculture if you want more examples of the USSR being a shitshow. point out where I made any claims about the USSR being or not being a shitshow For something that wasn't real socialism you sure have a weird desire to defend it. point out one instance of me claiming that it was or was not "real socialism", then point out one instance of me actually defending it in this topic --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928303800] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>And I've already explained that industry without private enterprise or profit-seeking to incentivize innovation is inherently inefficient.</quote> no, you showed specific examples of it being inefficient. you did not give adequate evidence to show that it is inherently inefficient. <quote>Do you think the USSR collapsed because it was just too efficient?</quote> no <quote>Do you have any examples of such a thing?</quote> I'm not the one making the claim without adequate evidence <quote>Because I can definitely branch out from agriculture if you want more examples of the USSR being a shitshow.</quote> point out where I made any claims about the USSR being or not being a shitshow <quote>For something that wasn't real socialism you sure have a weird desire to defend it.</quote> point out one instance of me claiming that it was or was not "real socialism", then point out one instance of me actually defending it in this topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:37:29 PM #180:	Broseph_Stalin posted... averagejoel posted... you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous averagejoel posted... point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism" this is too easy Got em --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928303819] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous</quote> averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism"</quote> this is too easy</quote> Got em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 9:39:46 PM #181:	Broseph_Stalin posted... averagejoel posted... you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous averagejoel posted... point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism" this is too easy I was merely stating that there are many varied opinions on whether or not the USSR counts as "socialist", not making a judgement on it myself. try again --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928303899] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you do realize that the USSR's classification as a "socialist" country is tenuous</quote> averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>point out where I claimed anything was or was not "real socialism"</quote> this is too easy</quote> I was merely stating that there are many varied opinions on whether or not the USSR counts as "socialist", not making a judgement on it myself. try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:41:30 PM #182:	Lmao --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928303963] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 10/03/19 9:42:25 PM #183:	Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:928304004] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 9:42:59 PM #184:	averagejoel posted... I'm not the one making the claim without adequate evidence You actually are making the claim that collectivization isn't inherently inefficient, even though you can't give a single example of it not being so. You can stop shilling for a country that doesn't even exist anymore btw. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928304023] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not the one making the claim without adequate evidence</quote> You actually are making the claim that collectivization isn't inherently inefficient, even though you can't give a single example of it not being so. You can stop shilling for a country that doesn't even exist anymore btw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:46:57 PM #185:	The Admiral posted... Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list. Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928304174] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list.</quote> Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 9:48:51 PM #186:	Broseph_Stalin posted... averagejoel posted... I'm not the one making the claim without adequate evidence You actually are making the claim that collectivization isn't inherently inefficient, even though you can't give a single example of it not being so. incorrect. you made the claim that it was inherently inefficient. I only said that you didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that. You can stop shilling for a country that doesn't even exist anymore btw. feel free to point out where I was "shilling" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928304255] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not the one making the claim without adequate evidence</quote> You actually are making the claim that collectivization isn't inherently inefficient, even though you can't give a single example of it not being so.</quote> incorrect. you made the claim that it was inherently inefficient. I only said that you didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that. <quote>You can stop shilling for a country that doesn't even exist anymore btw.</quote> feel free to point out where I was "shilling"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pls 10/03/19 9:51:37 PM #187:	This is why joel is a musician --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928304366] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>This is why joel is a musician</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/19 9:52:41 PM #188:	pls posted... The Admiral posted... Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list. Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao What happens when the ignore/block features eventually degenerate gamefaqs.gamespot.com into parallel echo-chambers completely invisible to eachother? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:928304415] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list.</quote> Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao</quote> What happens when the ignore/block features eventually degenerate gamefaqs.gamespot.com into parallel echo-chambers completely invisible to eachother?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 10/03/19 9:54:06 PM #189:	pls posted... The Admiral posted... Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list. Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao Saying this to addy is hilarious --- she/her https://imgur.com/AmWcJjM <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:928304480] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list.</quote> Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao</quote> Saying this to addy is hilarious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 9:54:51 PM #190:	averagejoel posted... I only said that you didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that. And I'm asking you for examples of it not being inefficient, which is probably a mistake since you didn't even know the Soviet agriculture industry was. Or maybe you don't know what inherently means. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928304518] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I only said that you didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that.</quote> And I'm asking you for examples of it not being inefficient, which is probably a mistake since you didn't even know the Soviet agriculture industry was. Or maybe you don't know what inherently means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 9:56:55 PM #191:	Broseph_Stalin posted... averagejoel posted... I only said that you didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that. And I'm asking you for examples of it not being inefficient, which is probably a mistake since you didn't even know the Soviet agriculture industry was. Or maybe you don't know what inherently means. you're the one who made the claim that it was "inherently" inefficient, yet you only gave specific examples of it being inefficient. that is not sufficient evidence. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928304612] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>I only said that you didn't have sufficient evidence to prove that.</quote> And I'm asking you for examples of it not being inefficient, which is probably a mistake since you didn't even know the Soviet agriculture industry was. Or maybe you don't know what inherently means.</quote> you're the one who made the claim that it was "inherently" inefficient, yet you only gave specific examples of it being inefficient. that is not sufficient evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/03/19 9:59:58 PM #192:	PleaseClap posted... pls posted... The Admiral posted... Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list. Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao Saying this to addy is hilarious Yeah, Admiral added a lot of people to his block list. Probably just to avoid getting modded. Not that it has stopped him from getting modded so far. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:928304721] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>pls posted...</cite> <quote>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin about to get added to joel's ignore list.</quote> Yeah basically anyone who destroys that weasel gets added to the ignore list lmao</quote> Saying this to addy is hilarious</quote> Yeah, Admiral added a lot of people to his block list. Probably just to avoid getting modded. Not that it has stopped him from getting modded so far.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 10/03/19 10:03:44 PM #193:	F5f5f5f5 --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:928304862] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>F5f5f5f5</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/03/19 10:05:21 PM #194:	averagejoel posted... you're the one who made the claim that it was "inherently" inefficient, yet you only gave specific examples of it being inefficient. that is not sufficient evidence. no seriously, please look up what inherently means <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:928304929] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you're the one who made the claim that it was "inherently" inefficient, yet you only gave specific examples of it being inefficient. that is not sufficient evidence.</quote> no seriously, please look up what inherently means</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/19 10:16:53 PM #195:	Broseph_Stalin posted... averagejoel posted... you're the one who made the claim that it was "inherently" inefficient, yet you only gave specific examples of it being inefficient. that is not sufficient evidence. no seriously, please look up what inherently means just for fun, I did. inherently /inhirntl,inherntl/ adverb in a permanent, essential, or characteristic way. giving specific examples of agriculture in the USSR being inefficient is not sufficient evidence to suggest that collectivization is inherently inefficient. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:928305310] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>you're the one who made the claim that it was "inherently" inefficient, yet you only gave specific examples of it being inefficient. that is not sufficient evidence.</quote> no seriously, please look up what inherently means</quote> just for fun, I did. <quote>inherently /inhirntl,inherntl/ adverb in a permanent, essential, or characteristic way.</quote> giving specific examples of agriculture in the USSR being inefficient is not sufficient evidence to suggest that collectivization is inherently inefficient.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 10/04/19 12:21:33 AM #197:	You can make money with renewable energy. And just because there are houses that are not occupied right now doesn't mean you can have some centralized authority seize those houses and give them to people who didn't earn the titles to the houses. That is more likely to cause shitty conditions in the long run where the productive members of society flee that central authority and you have even more homeless as a result. Same reason why the Soviet Union had so much starvation and poverty despite supposedly eliminating homelessness. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>pls posted [p:928310241] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>You can make money with renewable energy. And just because there are houses that are not occupied right now doesn't mean you can have some centralized authority seize those houses and give them to people who didn't earn the titles to the houses. That is more likely to cause shitty conditions in the long run where the productive members of society flee that central authority and you have even more homeless as a result. Same reason why the Soviet Union had so much starvation and poverty despite supposedly eliminating homelessness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
industrializeit 10/04/19 2:09:31 AM #198:	Tag for later --- I personally like Link as a Rugged Shaman Swashbuckler more than Resourceful Gadget Boy. That's why Zelda II is one of my all time favorites, ...(see quote) <cite>industrializeit posted [p:928313408] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Tag for later</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 10/04/19 3:13:09 AM #199:	Here's a thought. If an economic system produces empty homes or food that is not consumed, it's inefficient. If, on top of that, there are homeless people and starving people, it's even more inefficient. But defending the inefficiency by celebrating overproduction seems dishonest. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:928314774] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>Here's a thought. If an economic system produces empty homes or food that is not consumed, it's inefficient. If, on top of that, there are homeless people and starving people, it's even more inefficient. But defending the inefficiency by celebrating overproduction seems dishonest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 10/04/19 8:45:20 AM #200:	scar the 1 posted... If, on top of that, there are homeless people and starving people, it's even more inefficient. hmm --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:928320370] in I'm at a n... [t:78059216]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>If, on top of that, there are homeless people and starving people, it's even more inefficient.</quote> hmm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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