Poll of the Day > Anti-Vaxxers vs Climate Change denialism.

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Which one?
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I trust that vaccines can be effective.

I don't trust my government.

Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell.
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Anti-Vaxxers

We'll be dead before we truly know how bad the extent climate change will be but anti-vaxxers are causing thought to have been eradicated diseases to reappear in the present day.
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Anti vaxxers. They're whole movement is based on research that was completely discredited and fallacy.

Someone tried arguing with me couple days ago about this very thing. He claimed the MMR vaccine killed thousands in our country and was more dangerous than what it prevents. He had no evidence on any of this.

3 people died in our country from the vaccine (one had a compromised immune system and another had a heart issue). That's not thousands. Yet measles alone killed over 100k in the world.

He said that's not good enough. 3 people should not have died. He thinks polio didn't exist until scientists created the vaccine to force it on people. He's not the only one I have heard say this bullshit.

The stupid was so strong, I wish there was a vaccine for that!

RedPixel posted...

I trust that vaccines can be effective.

I don't trust my government.

Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell.

Flu shots dont make you immune to illness

For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age
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Vaccine injury is an actual thing. Hell, even CNN which is a part of the MSM(who are all in bed with big pharma) admitted it.

Climate change is the biggest threat. And honestly... we wont fix it. Those in power would rather live in a world thats destroyed and crippled... than to live in a world where they arent in power anymore.

Besides the Bible says that the next time God has to destroy the earth hell do so by fire.
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HornedLion posted...

Vaccine injury is an actual thing. Hell, even CNN which is a part of the MSM(who are all in bed with big pharma) admitted it.

Of course vaccine injury is a thing. No medical procedure is 100% safe. Vaccine-preventable diseases are also a thing, though, and pose a vastly greater risk than virtually any documented vaccine injury. This is basic risk assessment.
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Hop103 posted...

We'll be dead before we truly know how bad the extent climate change will be

incorrect

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I went with climate change. As sad as it is, anti-vax is ultimately a self solving problem.

rjsilverthorn posted...

I went with climate change. As sad as it is, anti-vax is ultimately a self solving problem.

So is climate change

Antivaxxers. They're legitimately hurting their kids and spreading false information based on fake research and lies.

Climate Change Deniers just have different opinions. I don't agree with them, but they're not really hurting anyone.

I'd zig instead of zag and want to get rid of the anti-GMO mentality. Out of just those choices, anti-vax would have to go.
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I saw this on Reddit...


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WastelandCowboy posted...

Antivaxxers. They're legitimately hurting their kids and spreading false information based on fake research and lies.

Climate Change Deniers just have different opinions. I don't agree with them, but they're not really hurting anyone.

They prevent action from being taken to reduce the impact of our carbon emissions and will hasten the greenhouse effect from causing permanent irreparable harm to our ecosystem.

So yeah, they DO fucking hurt everyone.

Anti-vaxxers suck too, but are a much smaller less influential group, and won't cause nearly as much long term harm. Plus their bs can be easier dealt with than climate change deniers, just by passing laws like not allowing non-vaccinated kids into public schools.
Dealing with climate change requires much larger, more sweeping political action.

streamofthesky posted...

They prevent action from being taken to reduce the impact of our carbon emissions and will hasten the greenhouse effect from causing permanent irreparable harm to our ecosystem.

That's very few of them, the ones in positions of power in industries that are environmentally damaging. I'd even argue that oil tycoons pretend to be climate deniers because it hurts their bottom line and they'll be dead when it gets real bad.

All anti-vaxxers endanger their communities attempting to revive dead diseases.
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Hop103 posted...

We'll be dead before we truly know how bad the extent climate change will be

Hopefully not. Humanity failed, people are stupid and heartless. I think it's time for a reboot like what happened with the dinosaurs.
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adjl posted...

HornedLion posted...

Vaccine injury is an actual thing. Hell, even CNN which is a part of the MSM(who are all in bed with big pharma) admitted it.

Of course vaccine injury is a thing. No medical procedure is 100% safe. Vaccine-preventable diseases are also a thing, though, and pose a vastly greater risk than virtually any documented vaccine injury. This is basic risk assessment.

The fact that we accept 100% something that the government forces people to take (Especially in mega doses at birth and up) which isn't 100% safe, is a problem. The vaccine industry is controlled by pharmaceutical companies, who have bought out the government: They ironically have full immunity (Bestowed, graciously by the govt.) from being sued by anyone who has been harmed or died from their drugs (aka: That's why we don't hear a lot of cases). That doesn't sound fishy? On top of that, who do you think funds all the "scientific" research? Whoever has the most money (And they sure do have a lot), gets to decide the efficacy studies done (If any) on the products. It's scewed science that's main drive is towards money rather than facts. The scientists who work for them want to get paid, so they make sure to make the reviews look as good as possible. If this weren't enough to wave a red flag, what is in vaccines? If you do some digging, you might be able to find some ingredients.. A couple bad ones, off the top of my head are a type of aluminum and Mercury. This may not sound like a big deal, but read some legit science journals. Our bodies, regardless of our immune systems, have no way of ridding these heavy metals. They pass through the blood brain barrier and cause major lowering of IQ. These two and other heavy metals are linked to Alzheimer's, ADHD, and even Autism. That's just one example of the harm ( Do your research). The problem is, Dr.s probably aren't just going to freely give you this information to let you decide if it's something you want in your body or your infant child (Who's immune system isn't even developed yet). Some places like New York have even made it mandatory for your child to have all their shots. We don't have the freedom to choose what goes into our bodies anymore, and we shame "antivaxers". Maybe we shouldn't put all our faith into greedy hands so freely at such a great cost to our health and freedom without asking questions. (Btw "antivax" is a shaming term created by the govt.) If they can get people to 100% accept them putting harmful things into our bodies, 1. What else can they do to us without us putting up a fight? 2. What rights do we really have anymore?

So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...
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LinkPizza posted...

So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...

Maybe a new Plague, along with natural disasters and destruction is what will annihilate humanity.
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Climate change denial people get my vote.
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Ferarri619 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...

Maybe a new Plague, along with natural disasters and destruction is what will annihilate humanity.

Maybe. Though, if there was a new plague, I would hope someone works on a cure. Or at the very least, a vaccine...
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Krissa posted...

The fact that we accept 100% something that the government forces people to take (Especially in mega doses at birth and up) which isn't 100% safe, is a problem.

Nothing is 100% safe, but vaccines are safer than the mumps.

Krissa posted...

The vaccine industry is controlled by pharmaceutical companies, who have bought out the government

They haven't bought out the NHS, so explain why we use these vaccines? The US isn't the entire world.

Krissa posted...

On top of that, who do you think funds all the "scientific" research?

US insurance profits; it's convenient that the US agreed to take on the R&D costs for the rest of the world.

Krissa posted...

Whoever has the most money (And they sure do have a lot), gets to decide the efficacy studies done (If any) on the products.

The government of the strictest user of the product decides. And if a country decides to use a under-tested product, they get international pressure to come up to the standard.

Krissa posted...

The scientists who work for them want to get paid, so they make sure to make the reviews look as good as possible.

If their research is poor, it bites them in the ass and they never get work again. They're incentivised to produce true results beyond just their passion for science.

Krissa posted...

If you do some digging, you might be able to find some ingredients.. A couple bad ones, off the top of my head are a type of aluminum and Mercury. This may not sound like a big deal, but read some legit science journals. Our bodies, regardless of our immune systems, have no way of ridding these heavy metals. They pass through the blood brain barrier and cause major lowering of IQ.

Everything is a matter of balance. As it happens, vaccines aren't solid aluminum and mercury. Vaccines don't contain harmful levels.
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Krissa posted...

These two and other heavy metals are linked to Alzheimer's, ADHD, and even Autism.

Seeing as Autism is something you're born with, it's not possible to have evidence heavy metals cause it. Probably best you check your sources.

Krissa posted...

The problem is, Dr.s probably aren't just going to freely give you this information to let you decide if it's something you want in your body or your infant child (Who's immune system isn't even developed yet).

Because even if it turned your child in to a fucking zombie, it's still preferable to bringing back the Black Death? It's not optional as your individual preferences don't top the survival of the herd.

Krissa posted...

1. What else can they do to us without us putting up a fight? 2. What rights do we really have anymore?

Ask the second amendment guys who say Trump is a corrupt criminal but won't make a militia.

It looks like people are too scared to risk themselves to make a stance but they're perfectly willing to make their children in to patient zero for the cause.
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Mead posted...

RedPixel posted...

I trust that vaccines can be effective.

I don't trust my government.

Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell.

Flu shots dont make you immune to illness

For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age

I think ignorance is believing everything we hear in the news without question.
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RedPixel posted...

I think ignorance is believing everything we hear in the news without question.

Ignorance is not listening to anybody knowledgeable and not researching properly yourself.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

RedPixel posted...

I think ignorance is believing everything we hear in the news without question.

Ignorance is not listening to anybody knowledgeable and not researching properly yourself.

I do plenty of research. And then I research my research. I'm not challenging vaccines for the sake of challenging vaccines; there are some very shady practices going on, and I don't get sick at all despite not taking shots. You guys can label me whatever the fuck you want, but of course the news wants me to be known as an anti-vaxxer because they know they're not making money off of me
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RedPixel posted...

I do plenty of research. And then I research my research.

Then why are you ignorant of reality?

RedPixel posted...

there are some very shady practices going on

No shit, but nobody gains from giving people ADHD by wasting useful materials.

RedPixel posted...

the news wants me to be known as an anti-vaxxer because they know they're not making money off of me

The world wants to know you're an anti-vaxxer so they know who to avoid when pandemic strikes.
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@Kyuubi4269 Oh my goodness! I'm ignorant of reality?! Shit, did I miss an important memo?

Why do people not trust Big Pharma, yet trust the mainstream news? They're run by the SAME people.

Doctors aren't about true illness prevention because they have turned illness into a business. Don't be so quick to fall victim to their fear mongering.
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RedPixel posted...

@Kyuubi4269 Oh my goodness! I'm ignorant of reality?! Shit, did I miss an important memo?

Yeah, the one where anti-vaxxers are dying of once believed long dead diseases due to their ignorance.

RedPixel posted...

Why do people not trust Big Pharma, yet trust the mainstream news? They're run by the SAME people.

People don't trust either, they trust results. These vaccines demonstrably have worked for decades all around the world, only now are anti-vaxxers claiming they have these mad side-effects. This is despite us knowing about Autism and ADHD long before their ridiculous assertions, noting no link between vaccines and either condition.

RedPixel posted...

Doctors aren't about true illness prevention because they have turned illness into a business.

US doctors, maybe. Not so much in the rest of the developed world.

RedPixel posted...

Don't be so quick to fall victim to their fear mongering.

Where's your evidence vaccines don't work? Because there's a vast amount of data on vaccine efficacy that would like a word.
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Both are political footballs. One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious.

My objections to the push for magical adult vaccines for flu, pneumonia, whatever, are personal, my first patient during my internship was paralyzed with Guillan-Barre Syndrome from the flu vaccine. Recently, I helped an elderly neighbor who developed symptoms of pneumonia from being pushed into taking the pneumonia vaccine. The reasons for taking adult vaccines are trivial, and the consequences can be considerably worse than the chances of actually getting a severe case of flu, pneumonia, etc.

Climate change: "Global Warming" is clearly a myth, a measured increase of 0.4F in a century, in some places (other places have gotten colder) may be statistically significant, but unlikely to be real-world important. This seems borne out by activists now pushing "Climate Change" rather than "Global Warming". Fighting pollution might be a good idea. Greenhouse gasses (mostly from volcanoes and ruminant methane, a trivial amount man-made) may actually help ameliorate the severity of the coming Maunder Minimum mini-Ice-Age predicted in the next 15 years.

People need to do critical thinking, and not jump on the latest politically motivated bandwagon. What's advertised as good for politicians or drug companies may not necessarily be sensible for the rest of us.
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dancer62 posted...

Recently, I helped an elderly neighbor who developed symptoms of pneumonia from being pushed into taking the pneumonia vaccine.

I have to point out that there is no pneumonia vaccine as pneumonia is a physical response to physical disruption to the lungs. You can literally get dust pneumonia.

Vaccines leave the body a little vulnerable for a while after usage so it makes the body less capable of helping itself for a bit. Pneumonia can be from mucus build up, and in elderly patients they are less capable of clearing it, and when recovering from a vaccine, are even less so.

The doctors were right (within reason) to use a vaccine to treat a lung-based disease on a patient who was particularly vulnerable to pneumonia, it's just unfortunate that they got it in the small recovery window.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

dancer62 posted...

Recently, I helped an elderly neighbor who developed symptoms of pneumonia from being pushed into taking the pneumonia vaccine.

I have to point out that there is no pneumonia vaccine as pneumonia is a physical response to physical disruption to the lungs. You can literally get dust pneumonia.

Vaccines leave the body a little vulnerable for a while after usage so it makes the body less capable of helping itself for a bit. Pneumonia can be from mucus build up, and in elderly patients they are less capable of clearing it, and when recovering from a vaccine, are even less so.

The doctors were right (within reason) to use a vaccine to treat a lung-based disease on a patient who was particularly vulnerable to pneumonia, it's just unfortunate that they got it in the small recovery window.

In other words, she should have been smarter about refusing the vaccine pushed by a physician padding a routine Medicare Wellness visit to $750. BTW, her chest xray from last week (for routine physical) is clear. She now has a physician (medical consortium, non-university) who is not a pusher of unnecessary medications and vaccines, unlike her previous doc.
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dancer62 posted...

In other words, she should have been smarter about refusing the vaccine pushed by a physician padding a routine Medicare Wellness visit to $750.

Nah, she should've taken it and accepted the slim risk.

Shit happens, grow up and roll with it.
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RedPixel posted...

Mead posted...

RedPixel posted...

I trust that vaccines can be effective.

I don't trust my government.

Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell.

Flu shots dont make you immune to illness

For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age

I think ignorance is believing everything we hear in the news without question.

Your information shouldnt come from the news but it shouldnt come from anecdotal observations either
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

dancer62 posted...

In other words, she should have been smarter about refusing the vaccine pushed by a physician padding a routine Medicare Wellness visit to $750.

Nah, she should've taken it and accepted the slim risk.

Shit happens, grow up and roll with it.

ROFL!
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Anti-Vaxxers run the risk of killing their kids.

Climate deniers run the risk of killing everyone on this planet.
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Llamachama posted...

Anti-Vaxxers run the risk of killing their kids.

Climate deniers run the risk of killing everyone on this planet.

Or injecting some reality into the "Climate Change" mythos. Seriously, read up on Maunder Minimums, mini-Ice-Ages, then match that with the current politically-correct Kindergarten-simplified stuff.
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dancer62 posted...

Llamachama posted...

Anti-Vaxxers run the risk of killing their kids.

Climate deniers run the risk of killing everyone on this planet.

Or injecting some reality into the "Climate Change" mythos. Seriously, read up on Maunder Minimums, mini-Ice-Ages, then match that with the current politically-correct Kindergarten-simplified stuff.

Not seeing any connection to modern climate change here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

I think this is what you are referring to

https://www.livescience.com/61716-sun-cooling-global-warming.html

That would be great news and would buy us some serious time to transition to renewable energy sources
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dancer62 posted...

Seriously, read up on Maunder Minimums, mini-Ice-Ages

The current best hypothesis for the cause of the Little Ice Age is that it was the result of volcanic action.[15][16] The onset of the Little Ice Age also occurred well before the beginning of the Maunder minimum,[15] and northern-hemisphere temperatures during the Maunder minimum were not significantly different from the previous 80 years,[17] suggesting a decline in solar activity was not the main causal driver of the Little Ice Age.

Apparently even a drop to .1% sun spots did not cause noticeable temperature change, unlike vast amounts of pollutants from the world's factories or a volcano.
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The amount of people who are anti-vax are a drop in the bucket compared to climate deniers, so climate deniers easily
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That's really hard. Both are equally embarrassing, stupid and harmful in their denial.

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Anti-vax.

Climate needs to also include the accepters-but-don't-care-enoughers.
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As a father of a vaccine injured child and a person who has been told for his entire life that the earth only has "x" years left...
I vote for "millennials who believe everything the liberal media tells them"
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Both are bs. Vaccines are only useful against actual strains. You can't vaccinate against the flu. It changes every year. You can vaccinate against something like measles. But some of these vaccines are just non sense used to swindle people.

Climate change isn't real either. Keep both because you need dissenting opinions to challenge popular opinion and without it you just get dumbass boomer propaganda.

streamofthesky posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Antivaxxers. They're legitimately hurting their kids and spreading false information based on fake research and lies.

Climate Change Deniers just have different opinions. I don't agree with them, but they're not really hurting anyone.

They prevent action from being taken to reduce the impact of our carbon emissions and will hasten the greenhouse effect from causing permanent irreparable harm to our ecosystem.

So yeah, they DO fucking hurt everyone.

Anti-vaxxers suck too, but are a much smaller less influential group, and won't cause nearly as much long term harm. Plus their bs can be easier dealt with than climate change deniers, just by passing laws like not allowing non-vaccinated kids into public schools.
Dealing with climate change requires much larger, more sweeping political action.

Oh please, your opinions and actions regarding supposed climate change don't change anything for anybody. Stop acting like you have so much control over what happens around you.

BlockWatcher posted...

As a father of a vaccine injured child and a person who has been told for his entire life that the earth only has "x" years left...
I vote for "millennials who believe everything the liberal media tells them"

No shit. Wouldn't even consider them to be liberals, more like leftists. Liberals used to be critical thinkers.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Krissa posted...

These two and other heavy metals are linked to Alzheimer's, ADHD, and even Autism.

Seeing as Autism is something you're born with, it's not possible to have evidence heavy metals cause it. Probably best you check your sources.

Krissa posted...

The problem is, Dr.s probably aren't just going to freely give you this information to let you decide if it's something you want in your body or your infant child (Who's immune system isn't even developed yet).

Because even if it turned your child in to a fucking zombie, it's still preferable to bringing back the Black Death? It's not optional as your individual preferences don't top the survival of the herd.

Krissa posted...

1. What else can they do to us without us putting up a fight? 2. What rights do we really have anymore?

Ask the second amendment guys who say Trump is a corrupt criminal but won't make a militia.

It looks like people are too scared to risk themselves to make a stance but they're perfectly willing to make their children in to patient zero for the cause.

100% false you are not born with autism. My sister has autism and she got it from having an oxygen deprived brain. Her breathing stopped as an infant and she was without oxygen for several minutes and developed many signs of autism afterward. She's 23 now and is autistic and has been since the incident

But please go ahead and act like autism is only something you are born with. You know nothing about this subject.

Also LOL fuck you GameFAQS for making me check off some dumb bullshit box about making comments about autism. This fucking world we live in.

RedPixel posted...

BlockWatcher posted...

As a father of a vaccine injured child and a person who has been told for his entire life that the earth only has "x" years left...
I vote for "millennials who believe everything the liberal media tells them"

No shit. Wouldn't even consider them to be liberals, more like leftists. Liberals used to be critical thinkers.

This might surprise you, but liberals were the ones liberal enough to let you talk nonsense because freedom trumps rightness. The "leftists" are the critical thinkers who won't tolerate your nonsense as it doesn't let humanity progress.
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Dfy556 posted...

100% false you are not born with autism. My sister has autism and she got it from having an oxygen deprived brain. Her breathing stopped as an infant and she was without oxygen for several minutes and developed many signs of autism afterward. She's 23 now and is autistic and has been since the incident

I have Autism, it didn't "turn on" one day, it's a way of being. I'm sure your sister got plenty of issues from oxygen deprivation, but autism isn't one of them.

Dfy556 posted...

But please go ahead and act like autism is only something you are born with. You know nothing about this subject.

lol

Dfy556 posted...

Also LOL fuck you GameFAQS for making me check off some dumb bullshit box about making comments about autism. This fucking world we live in.

It's because people like you suggest it's brain damage that the word needs to be monitored.
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Anti-vaxxers are immediately dangerous while CC deniers are long-term dangerous.

Really, it's a coin flip.

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