Poll of the Day > Anti-Vaxxers vs Climate Change denialism.

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Krissa 10/01/19 1:23:00 AM #102:	Krissa posted... adjl posted... Caroniver posted... Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth. The thing is, the former vote for the latter (or at least for politicians bought out by the latter), giving the latter the power to keep making the problem worse while building themselves a bigger pile of money to stand on while the rest of the world ends up underwater. Case in point: Trump got elected on a platform of climate change denial and promptly gutted the EPA. Krissa posted... What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. Yes, researching causes and treatment options are indeed good, helpful ideas. Clinging desperately to a single, falsified study suggesting autism is linked to the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history, however, is not researching causes and treatment options. It's bringing back diseases that are infinitely worse than autism could ever be. Krissa posted... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I personally have asthma, as do my sister, mother, and possibly girlfriend (undiagnosed, but symptomatic). My girlfriend has hypothyroidism and chronic headaches, as well as some tendonitis (there's room for debate as to whether that's a disease or an injury, but the distinction is largely academic). My mother has GERD. And that's just chronic diseases, and just what I can come up with off the top of my head. It also doesn't include mental illnesses. If we start getting into acute diseases, then the list grows every time somebody I know catches a cold (and then shrinks again when they recover) or other such issue, which is very much not a rare occurrence. That is a terribly, terribly silly question for you to ask. I'd like to see your sources. There are studies proving the link between illness and neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity. Aside from this, newborns are injected with these heavy metals. Even hypothetically, if we weren't talking about Autism, this is a clear undeniable problem. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a cure for diseases. That would be sadistic. The problem is that they aren't making a humane/complete/safe product. People are so used to accepting minimum quality products that this doesn't seem to bother anyone. Oh it's ok if people die and society gets dumber. Of course there's no benefit to the govt for society getting dumb..but I digress. Also, if a person contracts a disease, why do you care? You're protected right? Thank you for the break down. Actually it's not a "single" study nor is it "falsified". When I say study, of course, I mean Science journals- More than one. If your only form of information is coming from word of mouth and bias articles, there's no debate. My point was that none of the issues you've mentioned are "old diseases". They're actually pretty big issues though I'd say.. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928174316] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Caroniver posted...</cite> <quote>Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth.</quote> The thing is, the former vote for the latter (or at least for politicians bought out by the latter), giving the latter the power to keep making the problem worse while building themselves a bigger pile of money to stand on while the rest of the world ends up underwater. Case in point: Trump got elected on a platform of climate change denial and promptly gutted the EPA. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures.</quote> Yes, researching causes and treatment options are indeed good, helpful ideas. Clinging desperately to a single, falsified study suggesting autism is linked to the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history, however, is not researching causes and treatment options. It's bringing back diseases that are infinitely worse than autism could ever be. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer?</quote> I personally have asthma, as do my sister, mother, and possibly girlfriend (undiagnosed, but symptomatic). My girlfriend has hypothyroidism and chronic headaches, as well as some tendonitis (there's room for debate as to whether that's a disease or an injury, but the distinction is largely academic). My mother has GERD. And that's just chronic diseases, and just what I can come up with off the top of my head. It also doesn't include mental illnesses. If we start getting into acute diseases, then the list grows every time somebody I know catches a cold (and then shrinks again when they recover) or other such issue, which is very much not a rare occurrence. That is a terribly, terribly silly question for you to ask.</quote> I'd like to see your sources. There are studies proving the link between illness and neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity. Aside from this, newborns are injected with these heavy metals. Even hypothetically, if we weren't talking about Autism, this is a clear undeniable problem. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a cure for diseases. That would be sadistic. The problem is that they aren't making a humane/complete/safe product. People are so used to accepting minimum quality products that this doesn't seem to bother anyone. Oh it's ok if people die and society gets dumber. Of course there's no benefit to the govt for society getting dumb..but I digress. Also, if a person contracts a disease, why do you care? You're protected right?</quote> Thank you for the break down. Actually it's not a "single" study nor is it "falsified". When I say study, of course, I mean Science journals- More than one. If your only form of information is coming from word of mouth and bias articles, there's no debate. My point was that none of the issues you've mentioned are "old diseases". They're actually pretty big issues though I'd say..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 1:32:43 AM #103:	LinkPizza posted... Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry. They dont have the diseases because most people take the vaccines, fortunately. Andnit still can affect my life. If I have someone in my life that cant get the vaccine for any reason, I could lose them because someone is scared of a shot that could keep them from getting something bad. Like anyone whos very old, or too young to get the vaccine. Or people who have poor immune systems. Just because it doesnt affect my body personally doesnt mean if wont affect me at all... Or cant... Because I still care about the people in my life... Also, for diseases, I do know people who have asthma. Like my sister, and cousins. And my Grandma has COPD. If Spina Bifida is considered a disease, the daughter of my SOs close friend has it. I share that sentiment. I care about others as well. The issues is not "take it and die" or "don't take it and live"..The real issue is "Don't settle". We can improve people's lives without creating unsafe/unfinished products that damage brain cells and cause other illnesses. If, as a society, we only accept bare minimum, we are accepting lack of freedom. We are accepting an inadequate life, where we don't fully reach our potential. I'm for a vaccine that is not harmful to humans. There's absolutely no good reason to put Aluminum or Mercury in a drug. This creates a toxic burden on your body. As a society, we already have so much toxic burden from processed foods, toxic environment, and drinking water. This is horrible for your body! <cite>Krissa posted [p:928174513] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...</quote> No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry.</quote> They dont have the diseases because most people take the vaccines, fortunately. Andnit still can affect my life. If I have someone in my life that cant get the vaccine for any reason, I could lose them because someone is scared of a shot that could keep them from getting something bad. Like anyone whos very old, or too young to get the vaccine. Or people who have poor immune systems. Just because it doesnt affect my body personally doesnt mean if wont affect me at all... Or cant... Because I still care about the people in my life... Also, for diseases, I do know people who have asthma. Like my sister, and cousins. And my Grandma has COPD. If Spina Bifida is considered a disease, the daughter of my SOs close friend has it.</quote> I share that sentiment. I care about others as well. The issues is not "take it and die" or "don't take it and live"..The real issue is "Don't settle". We can improve people's lives without creating unsafe/unfinished products that damage brain cells and cause other illnesses. If, as a society, we only accept bare minimum, we are accepting lack of freedom. We are accepting an inadequate life, where we don't fully reach our potential. I'm for a vaccine that is not harmful to humans. There's absolutely no good reason to put Aluminum or Mercury in a drug. This creates a toxic burden on your body. As a society, we already have so much toxic burden from processed foods, toxic environment, and drinking water. This is horrible for your body!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 1:41:35 AM #104:	https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4798150/ <cite>Krissa posted [p:928174699] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4798150/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/01/19 1:41:36 AM #105:	Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry. They dont have the diseases because most people take the vaccines, fortunately. Andnit still can affect my life. If I have someone in my life that cant get the vaccine for any reason, I could lose them because someone is scared of a shot that could keep them from getting something bad. Like anyone whos very old, or too young to get the vaccine. Or people who have poor immune systems. Just because it doesnt affect my body personally doesnt mean if wont affect me at all... Or cant... Because I still care about the people in my life... Also, for diseases, I do know people who have asthma. Like my sister, and cousins. And my Grandma has COPD. If Spina Bifida is considered a disease, the daughter of my SOs close friend has it. I share that sentiment. I care about others as well. The issues is not "take it and die" or "don't take it and live"..The real issue is "Don't settle". We can improve people's lives without creating unsafe/unfinished products that damage brain cells and cause other illnesses. If, as a society, we only accept bare minimum, we are accepting lack of freedom. We are accepting an inadequate life, where we don't fully reach our potential. I'm for a vaccine that is not harmful to humans. There's absolutely no good reason to put Aluminum or Mercury in a drug. This creates a toxic burden on your body. As a society, we already have so much toxic burden from processed foods, toxic environment, and drinking water. This is horrible for your body! Except nothing is 100%. Including other medical procedures. Vaccines are good. And there are always working to improve them. Just like they work to improve other medical procedures. And if they put it in the vaccine, theres probably a reason for it. Nothing is 100% good for your body. Especially since everyones body is different. Like you said, even our drinking water isnt perfect. Vaccines protect your body. Saying they horrible is wrong. They help you to stay healthy. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928174700] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...</quote> No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry.</quote> They dont have the diseases because most people take the vaccines, fortunately. Andnit still can affect my life. If I have someone in my life that cant get the vaccine for any reason, I could lose them because someone is scared of a shot that could keep them from getting something bad. Like anyone whos very old, or too young to get the vaccine. Or people who have poor immune systems. Just because it doesnt affect my body personally doesnt mean if wont affect me at all... Or cant... Because I still care about the people in my life... Also, for diseases, I do know people who have asthma. Like my sister, and cousins. And my Grandma has COPD. If Spina Bifida is considered a disease, the daughter of my SOs close friend has it.</quote> I share that sentiment. I care about others as well. The issues is not "take it and die" or "don't take it and live"..The real issue is "Don't settle". We can improve people's lives without creating unsafe/unfinished products that damage brain cells and cause other illnesses. If, as a society, we only accept bare minimum, we are accepting lack of freedom. We are accepting an inadequate life, where we don't fully reach our potential. I'm for a vaccine that is not harmful to humans. There's absolutely no good reason to put Aluminum or Mercury in a drug. This creates a toxic burden on your body. As a society, we already have so much toxic burden from processed foods, toxic environment, and drinking water. This is horrible for your body!</quote> Except nothing is 100%. Including other medical procedures. Vaccines are good. And there are always working to improve them. Just like they work to improve other medical procedures. And if they put it in the vaccine, theres probably a reason for it. Nothing is 100% good for your body. Especially since everyones body is different. Like you said, even our drinking water isnt perfect. Vaccines protect your body. Saying they horrible is wrong. They help you to stay healthy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 1:53:08 AM #106:	adjl posted... Krissa posted... I haven't heard a real case of any outbreaks. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html From January 1 to September 26, 2019, 1,243 individual cases of measles have been confirmed in 31 states. This is an increase of two cases from the previous week. This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. More than 75% of the cases this year are linked to outbreaks in New York. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated. The majority of cases are among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles can cause serious complications. As of September 26, 2019, 131 of the people who got measles this year were hospitalized, and 65 reported having complications, including pneumonia and encephalitis. That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928174932] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't heard a real case of any outbreaks.</quote> https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html <quote>From January 1 to September 26, 2019, 1,243 individual cases of measles have been confirmed in 31 states. This is an increase of two cases from the previous week. This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. More than 75% of the cases this year are linked to outbreaks in New York. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated. The majority of cases are among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles can cause serious complications. As of September 26, 2019, 131 of the people who got measles this year were hospitalized, and 65 reported having complications, including pneumonia and encephalitis. </quote></quote> That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 2:14:05 AM #107:	Krissa posted... It's not that it turns on. It's a relation to poor immune system and brain. It's more complex than just "turning on". No need to be upset. What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. It's also linked to ADHD, which I happen to have You may have a poor immune system and brain damage, but I don't. Autism is a different type of human, we're more capable in some ways and less in others, it's not something that needs curing, it needs exploiting. When you pull shit out of your ass, expect backlash. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928175287] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>It's not that it turns on. It's a relation to poor immune system and brain. It's more complex than just "turning on". No need to be upset. What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. It's also linked to ADHD, which I happen to have</quote> You may have a poor immune system and brain damage, but I don't. Autism is a different type of human, we're more capable in some ways and less in others, it's not something that needs curing, it needs exploiting. When you pull shit out of your ass, expect backlash.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 2:15:29 AM #108:	Krissa posted... That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines. Implying that isn't already happening. Until then, take your vaccines. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928175312] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines.</quote> Implying that isn't already happening. Until then, take your vaccines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 2:16:07 AM #109:	I is smart posted... User Info: Krissa New User User Since: Sep 2018 Karma: 5 Active Posts: 8 You seriously dusted off a year old alt for anti-vax trolling? Haha you're welcome ;) I'm just trying to spread some real thought in here. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928175324] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>I is smart posted...</cite> <quote><quote>User Info: Krissa New User User Since: Sep 2018 Karma: 5 Active Posts: 8</quote> You seriously dusted off a year old alt for anti-vax trolling?</quote> Haha you're welcome ;) I'm just trying to spread some real thought in here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 2:31:25 AM #110:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Krissa posted... That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines. Implying that isn't already happening. Until then, take your vaccines. Show me the proof that it is? Untill then, sorry, no thanks. Enjoy your poison though..and your lack of brain cells. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928175573] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines.</quote> Implying that isn't already happening. Until then, take your vaccines.</quote> Show me the proof that it is? Untill then, sorry, no thanks. Enjoy your poison though..and your lack of brain cells.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 2:40:37 AM #111:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Krissa posted... It's not that it turns on. It's a relation to poor immune system and brain. It's more complex than just "turning on". No need to be upset. What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. It's also linked to ADHD, which I happen to have You may have a poor immune system and brain damage, but I don't. Autism is a different type of human, we're more capable in some ways and less in others, it's not something that needs curing, it needs exploiting. When you pull shit out of your ass, expect backlash. Of course you're a different type of human. One who likes to get vulgar.. You do know that autism is also linked to gut issues. Maybe you don't seem to have a poor immune system. Didn't you say you have asthma? That's a classic sign. Either way, you can have system damage without showing symptoms. Idk if you knew that. Autism doesn't necessarily mean "brain damage" either. Even if it did, the brain can rewire itself. I know someone who was born without use of their brain as an infant (They thought she would be a vegetable) and miraculously, the brain was able to rewire with full function. You'd never know this if you met them though. The human brain is a powerful organ. I pull facts out of my brain, as should you. Autism is a spectrum "disorder" as is ADHD..You may be considered "high functioning" compared to some who literally can't talk and are stuck inside their own heads. Although people with learning differences are "different" it doesn't mean we have to live with symptoms of the disability, and in denial of what causes them. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928175734] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>It's not that it turns on. It's a relation to poor immune system and brain. It's more complex than just "turning on". No need to be upset. What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. It's also linked to ADHD, which I happen to have</quote> You may have a poor immune system and brain damage, but I don't. Autism is a different type of human, we're more capable in some ways and less in others, it's not something that needs curing, it needs exploiting. When you pull shit out of your ass, expect backlash.</quote> Of course you're a different type of human. One who likes to get vulgar.. You do know that autism is also linked to gut issues. Maybe you don't seem to have a poor immune system. Didn't you say you have asthma? That's a classic sign. Either way, you can have system damage without showing symptoms. Idk if you knew that. Autism doesn't necessarily mean "brain damage" either. Even if it did, the brain can rewire itself. I know someone who was born without use of their brain as an infant (They thought she would be a vegetable) and miraculously, the brain was able to rewire with full function. You'd never know this if you met them though. The human brain is a powerful organ. I pull facts out of my brain, as should you. Autism is a spectrum "disorder" as is ADHD..You may be considered "high functioning" compared to some who literally can't talk and are stuck inside their own heads. Although people with learning differences are "different" it doesn't mean we have to live with symptoms of the disability, and in denial of what causes them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 3:07:20 AM #112:	Krissa posted... Show me the proof that it is? Untill then, sorry, no thanks. Enjoy your poison though..and your lack of brain cells. https://www.who.int/immunization/research/en/ IVR activities align with the strategic objective 6 of the Global Vaccine Action Plan Country, regional and global research and development innovations maximize the benefits of immunization, and with the fifth goal of the Decade of Vaccines Develop and introduce new and improved vaccines and technologies. Took five seconds. Krissa posted... Of course you're a different type of human. One who likes to get vulgar.. You do know that autism is also linked to gut issues. Funny how I have none, I'm even lactose tolerant. Krissa posted... Didn't you say you have asthma? That's a classic sign. Nope. Krissa posted... . Either way, you can have system damage without showing symptoms. That applies to all people, I can use that claim to say anti-vaxxers have symptomless immune deficiencies. Krissa posted... Autism doesn't necessarily mean "brain damage" either. Even if it did, the brain can rewire itself. It doesn't mean brain damage at all. The brain is wired differently for different focus, no damage. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928176151] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Show me the proof that it is? Untill then, sorry, no thanks. Enjoy your poison though..and your lack of brain cells.</quote> https://www.who.int/immunization/research/en/ <quote>IVR activities align with the strategic objective 6 of the Global Vaccine Action Plan Country, regional and global research and development innovations maximize the benefits of immunization, and with the fifth goal of the Decade of Vaccines Develop and introduce new and improved vaccines and technologies.</quote> Took five seconds. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Of course you're a different type of human. One who likes to get vulgar.. You do know that autism is also linked to gut issues.</quote> Funny how I have none, I'm even lactose tolerant. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't you say you have asthma? That's a classic sign. </quote> Nope. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>. Either way, you can have system damage without showing symptoms. </quote> That applies to all people, I can use that claim to say anti-vaxxers have symptomless immune deficiencies. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Autism doesn't necessarily mean "brain damage" either. Even if it did, the brain can rewire itself. </quote> It doesn't mean brain damage at all. The brain is wired differently for different focus, no damage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 3:07:33 AM #113:	Krissa posted... I know someone who was born without use of their brain as an infant (They thought she would be a vegetable) and miraculously, the brain was able to rewire with full function. You'd never know this if you met them though. The human brain is a powerful organ. So why are you scared of brain damage from vaccines if the brain will happily compensate for problems? Krissa posted... Autism is a spectrum "disorder" as is ADHD..You may be considered "high functioning" compared to some who literally can't talk and are stuck inside their own heads. Although people with learning differences are "different" it doesn't mean we have to live with symptoms of the disability, and in denial of what causes them. This is literally a case of being differently abled, "curing" autism means becoming more disabled in areas where Autism shines. It's not a disease or damage, there's nothing to "fix". Low functioning autism is more along the lines of people who have any excessive personality trait like narcissistic personality disorder or hyper-empathy syndrome. Being Autistic isn't the problem, it's excessive bias toward it which has zero links to vaccines. If you truely believe vaccines cause vaccines, do you have any evidence that unvaccinated people have a lower rate of Autism to at least a standard deviation? --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928176153] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>I know someone who was born without use of their brain as an infant (They thought she would be a vegetable) and miraculously, the brain was able to rewire with full function. You'd never know this if you met them though. The human brain is a powerful organ.</quote> So why are you scared of brain damage from vaccines if the brain will happily compensate for problems? Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Autism is a spectrum "disorder" as is ADHD..You may be considered "high functioning" compared to some who literally can't talk and are stuck inside their own heads. Although people with learning differences are "different" it doesn't mean we have to live with symptoms of the disability, and in denial of what causes them.</quote> This is literally a case of being differently abled, "curing" autism means becoming more disabled in areas where Autism shines. It's not a disease or damage, there's nothing to "fix". Low functioning autism is more along the lines of people who have any excessive personality trait like narcissistic personality disorder or hyper-empathy syndrome. Being Autistic isn't the problem, it's excessive bias toward it which has zero links to vaccines. If you truely believe vaccines cause vaccines, do you have any evidence that unvaccinated people have a lower rate of Autism to at least a standard deviation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 4:08:50 AM #114:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Krissa posted... Show me the proof that it is? Untill then, sorry, no thanks. Enjoy your poison though..and your lack of brain cells. https://www.who.int/immunization/research/en/ IVR activities align with the strategic objective 6 of the Global Vaccine Action Plan Country, regional and global research and development innovations maximize the benefits of immunization, and with the fifth goal of the Decade of Vaccines Develop and introduce new and improved vaccines and technologies. Took five seconds. Krissa posted... Of course you're a different type of human. One who likes to get vulgar.. You do know that autism is also linked to gut issues. Funny how I have none, I'm even lactose tolerant. Krissa posted... Didn't you say you have asthma? That's a classic sign. Nope. Krissa posted... . Either way, you can have system damage without showing symptoms. That applies to all people, I can use that claim to say anti-vaxxers have symptomless immune deficiencies. Krissa posted... Autism doesn't necessarily mean "brain damage" either. Even if it did, the brain can rewire itself. It doesn't mean brain damage at all. The brain is wired differently for different focus, no damage. Wrong person then. Sorry. You could say that. But being an "antivaxxer" is not medically diagnosed disorder with specific symptoms. Autism is. Ok so you're lactose intolerant and you don't have issues? That literally proves my point..allergies are a sign of a compromised immune system. That's not an example of low functioning autism. There are people who literally can't talk or have extreme reactions to outside stimulus. It seems like you don't know much about your disorder. The brain can rewire, sure, but the toxins and DNA damage are still there, and the effects are done. There's some relief people can get from a thorough detox protocol though. But this is not a cure by any means. There are studies that show the correlation in different states that had vaccines, what year, and the precedence of autism in that area. Those areas with vaccines had a distinctive rise and when they stopped vaccines for given years, there was a decline. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928177016] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Show me the proof that it is? Untill then, sorry, no thanks. Enjoy your poison though..and your lack of brain cells.</quote> https://www.who.int/immunization/research/en/ <quote>IVR activities align with the strategic objective 6 of the Global Vaccine Action Plan Country, regional and global research and development innovations maximize the benefits of immunization, and with the fifth goal of the Decade of Vaccines Develop and introduce new and improved vaccines and technologies.</quote> Took five seconds. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Of course you're a different type of human. One who likes to get vulgar.. You do know that autism is also linked to gut issues.</quote> Funny how I have none, I'm even lactose tolerant. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't you say you have asthma? That's a classic sign. </quote> Nope. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>. Either way, you can have system damage without showing symptoms. </quote> That applies to all people, I can use that claim to say anti-vaxxers have symptomless immune deficiencies. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Autism doesn't necessarily mean "brain damage" either. Even if it did, the brain can rewire itself. </quote> It doesn't mean brain damage at all. The brain is wired differently for different focus, no damage.</quote> Wrong person then. Sorry. You could say that. But being an "antivaxxer" is not medically diagnosed disorder with specific symptoms. Autism is. Ok so you're lactose intolerant and you don't have issues? That literally proves my point..allergies are a sign of a compromised immune system. That's not an example of low functioning autism. There are people who literally can't talk or have extreme reactions to outside stimulus. It seems like you don't know much about your disorder. The brain can rewire, sure, but the toxins and DNA damage are still there, and the effects are done. There's some relief people can get from a thorough detox protocol though. But this is not a cure by any means. There are studies that show the correlation in different states that had vaccines, what year, and the precedence of autism in that area. Those areas with vaccines had a distinctive rise and when they stopped vaccines for given years, there was a decline.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 10/01/19 4:44:46 AM #115:	Krissa posted... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. Jesus Fucking Christ --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:928177520] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless.</quote> Jesus Fucking Christ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 4:52:04 AM #116:	Krissa posted... being an "antivaxxer" is not medically diagnosed disorder It's a subset of Personality Disorders, being extremely gullible. Krissa posted... Ok so you're lactose intolerant and you don't have issues? Tolerant. Reading difficulties can be tied to a disorder too. Krissa posted... There are people who literally can't talk or have extreme reactions to outside stimulus. It seems like you don't know much about your disorder. I'm fully aware of that. Just like Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it's only an issue in the extreme. Krissa posted... The brain can rewire, sure, but the toxins and DNA damage are still there, and the effects are done. Citation needed. Krissa posted... There's some relief people can get from a thorough detox protocol though. Detoxing helps everybody, nothing to do with Autism or vaccines. Krissa posted... There are studies that show the correlation in different states that had vaccines, what year, and the precedence of autism in that area. Those areas with vaccines had a distinctive rise and when they stopped vaccines for given years, there was a decline. Citation needed. Also lets see the overlapping child mortality rate, because people willing to subject their child to fatal diseases to avoid Autism are people I wouldn't be surprised to see would smother their own child if it was Autistic. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928177623] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>being an "antivaxxer" is not medically diagnosed disorder </quote> It's a subset of Personality Disorders, being extremely gullible. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Ok so you're lactose intolerant and you don't have issues?</quote> Tolerant. Reading difficulties can be tied to a disorder too. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>There are people who literally can't talk or have extreme reactions to outside stimulus. It seems like you don't know much about your disorder.</quote> I'm fully aware of that. Just like Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it's only an issue in the extreme. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>The brain can rewire, sure, but the toxins and DNA damage are still there, and the effects are done. </quote> Citation needed. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>There's some relief people can get from a thorough detox protocol though. </quote> Detoxing helps everybody, nothing to do with Autism or vaccines. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>There are studies that show the correlation in different states that had vaccines, what year, and the precedence of autism in that area. Those areas with vaccines had a distinctive rise and when they stopped vaccines for given years, there was a decline.</quote> Citation needed. Also lets see the overlapping child mortality rate, because people willing to subject their child to fatal diseases to avoid Autism are people I wouldn't be surprised to see would smother their own child if it was Autistic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xfma100 10/01/19 9:00:10 AM #117:	Kyuubi4269 posted... That's very few of them, the ones in positions of power in industries that are environmentally damaging. I'd even argue that oil tycoons pretend to be climate deniers because it hurts their bottom line and they'll be dead when it gets real bad. This is why I voted for Climate Change denialism. Anti-vax seems to have a huge presence online, but most people know that the movement is bs. Meanwhile I notice a lot of people, both online and offline, that believe that climate change isn't real. I would also argue that there are more powerful people who deny climate change than powerful people who are Anti-Vax. <cite>Xfma100 posted [p:928181526] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>That's very few of them, the ones in positions of power in industries that are environmentally damaging. I'd even argue that oil tycoons pretend to be climate deniers because it hurts their bottom line and they'll be dead when it gets real bad. </quote> This is why I voted for Climate Change denialism. Anti-vax seems to have a huge presence online, but most people know that the movement is bs. Meanwhile I notice a lot of people, both online and offline, that believe that climate change isn't real. I would also argue that there are more powerful people who deny climate change than powerful people who are Anti-Vax.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 9:04:09 AM #118:	Xfma100 posted... I would also argue that there are more powerful people who deny climate change than powerful people who are Anti-Vax. But anti-vax doesn't need any powerful people, it just requires a few slow people in every county to take it on to cause a pandemic. Most people drive polluting cars but our input exclusively isn't capable of causing an extinction event. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928181623] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Xfma100 posted...</cite> <quote>I would also argue that there are more powerful people who deny climate change than powerful people who are Anti-Vax.</quote> But anti-vax doesn't need any powerful people, it just requires a few slow people in every county to take it on to cause a pandemic. Most people drive polluting cars but our input exclusively isn't capable of causing an extinction event.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dfy556 10/01/19 9:49:13 AM #119:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Dfy556 posted... 100% false you are not born with autism. My sister has autism and she got it from having an oxygen deprived brain. Her breathing stopped as an infant and she was without oxygen for several minutes and developed many signs of autism afterward. She's 23 now and is autistic and has been since the incident I have Autism, it didn't "turn on" one day, it's a way of being. I'm sure your sister got plenty of issues from oxygen deprivation, but autism isn't one of them. Dfy556 posted... But please go ahead and act like autism is only something you are born with. You know nothing about this subject. lol Dfy556 posted... Also LOL fuck you GameFAQS for making me check off some dumb bullshit box about making comments about autism. This fucking world we live in. It's because people like you suggest it's brain damage that the word needs to be monitored. Yeah no. She's autistic. Diagnosed and all. Thanks for playing. <cite>Dfy556 posted [p:928182912] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>100% false you are not born with autism. My sister has autism and she got it from having an oxygen deprived brain. Her breathing stopped as an infant and she was without oxygen for several minutes and developed many signs of autism afterward. She's 23 now and is autistic and has been since the incident</quote> I have Autism, it didn't "turn on" one day, it's a way of being. I'm sure your sister got plenty of issues from oxygen deprivation, but autism isn't one of them. Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>But please go ahead and act like autism is only something you are born with. You know nothing about this subject.</quote> lol Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>Also LOL fuck you GameFAQS for making me check off some dumb bullshit box about making comments about autism. This fucking world we live in.</quote> It's because people like you suggest it's brain damage that the word needs to be monitored.</quote> Yeah no. She's autistic. Diagnosed and all. Thanks for playing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dfy556 10/01/19 9:50:38 AM #120:	dancer62 posted... Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith. Sad but true <cite>Dfy556 posted [p:928182956] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith.</quote> Sad but true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 9:51:34 AM #121:	Dfy556 posted... Yeah no. She's autistic. Diagnosed and all. Thanks for playing. I'm saying that every other issue she has is from the oxygen deprivation, just not the Autism. Good job reading though. Dfy556 posted... dancer62 posted... Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith. Sad but true Anti-vax is a zeitgeist, mate. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928182987] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah no. She's autistic. Diagnosed and all. Thanks for playing.</quote> I'm saying that every other issue she has is from the oxygen deprivation, just not the Autism. Good job reading though. Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith.</quote> Sad but true</quote> Anti-vax is a zeitgeist, mate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dfy556 10/01/19 9:53:33 AM #122:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Krissa posted... I know someone who was born without use of their brain as an infant (They thought she would be a vegetable) and miraculously, the brain was able to rewire with full function. You'd never know this if you met them though. The human brain is a powerful organ. So why are you scared of brain damage from vaccines if the brain will happily compensate for problems? Krissa posted... Autism is a spectrum "disorder" as is ADHD..You may be considered "high functioning" compared to some who literally can't talk and are stuck inside their own heads. Although people with learning differences are "different" it doesn't mean we have to live with symptoms of the disability, and in denial of what causes them. This is literally a case of being differently abled, "curing" autism means becoming more disabled in areas where Autism shines. It's not a disease or damage, there's nothing to "fix". Low functioning autism is more along the lines of people who have any excessive personality trait like narcissistic personality disorder or hyper-empathy syndrome. Being Autistic isn't the problem, it's excessive bias toward it which has zero links to vaccines. If you truely believe vaccines cause vaccines, do you have any evidence that unvaccinated people have a lower rate of Autism to at least a standard deviation? Uh, I'm pretty sure if my sister could be cured of autism, she'd make that trade. You're a really stupid person. My sister is severely disabled. You'd have to be a real fucking idiot to think a person wouldn't give up a disability just to be able to live a normal life like everybody else. <cite>Dfy556 posted [p:928183040] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>I know someone who was born without use of their brain as an infant (They thought she would be a vegetable) and miraculously, the brain was able to rewire with full function. You'd never know this if you met them though. The human brain is a powerful organ.</quote> So why are you scared of brain damage from vaccines if the brain will happily compensate for problems? Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Autism is a spectrum "disorder" as is ADHD..You may be considered "high functioning" compared to some who literally can't talk and are stuck inside their own heads. Although people with learning differences are "different" it doesn't mean we have to live with symptoms of the disability, and in denial of what causes them.</quote> This is literally a case of being differently abled, "curing" autism means becoming more disabled in areas where Autism shines. It's not a disease or damage, there's nothing to "fix". Low functioning autism is more along the lines of people who have any excessive personality trait like narcissistic personality disorder or hyper-empathy syndrome. Being Autistic isn't the problem, it's excessive bias toward it which has zero links to vaccines. If you truely believe vaccines cause vaccines, do you have any evidence that unvaccinated people have a lower rate of Autism to at least a standard deviation?</quote> Uh, I'm pretty sure if my sister could be cured of autism, she'd make that trade. You're a really stupid person. My sister is severely disabled. You'd have to be a real fucking idiot to think a person wouldn't give up a disability just to be able to live a normal life like everybody else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 9:59:48 AM #123:	Dfy556 posted... Uh, I'm pretty sure if my sister could be cured of autism, she'd make that trade. That's nice, shame it isn't a disease to be cured. Dfy556 posted... My sister is severely disabled. Yeah, like you said, she got brain damage from oxygen deprivation. Dfy556 posted... You'd have to be a real fucking idiot to think a person wouldn't give up a disability just to be able to live a normal life like everybody else. Autism isn't a disability, it's a disorder. There are trade-offs and nobody wants to have the weaknesses. And yeah, everybody wants to change their life when they're sad. Normal people want to be less normal so their life is more interesting when they're sad. Maybe don't shit on autistic people because your sister got brain damage, her situation isn't representative. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928183238] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>Uh, I'm pretty sure if my sister could be cured of autism, she'd make that trade.</quote> That's nice, shame it isn't a disease to be cured. Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>My sister is severely disabled. </quote> Yeah, like you said, she got brain damage from oxygen deprivation. Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>You'd have to be a real fucking idiot to think a person wouldn't give up a disability just to be able to live a normal life like everybody else.</quote> Autism isn't a disability, it's a disorder. There are trade-offs and nobody wants to have the weaknesses. And yeah, everybody wants to change their life when they're sad. Normal people want to be less normal so their life is more interesting when they're sad. Maybe don't shit on autistic people because your sister got brain damage, her situation isn't representative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/01/19 11:47:37 AM #124:	Dfy556 posted... You're a really stupid person. Its kind of rude to call others stupid. Especially on this site when you can get easily modded. And especially when you dont seem to be reading his post correctly... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928187245] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>You're a really stupid person.</quote> Its kind of rude to call others stupid. Especially on this site when you can get easily modded. And especially when you dont seem to be reading his post correctly...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedPixel 10/01/19 11:52:52 AM #125:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Krissa posted... That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines. Implying that isn't already happening. Until then, take your vaccines. This is a little too trusting. --- Working in a team is great! It always helps to have someone else to blame. <cite>RedPixel posted [p:928187451] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>That's interesting.. Point still remains: Make better vaccines.</quote> Implying that isn't already happening. Until then, take your vaccines.</quote> This is a little too trusting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/01/19 12:16:26 PM #126:	Krissa posted... I'd like to see your sources. On what, vaccines not being linked to autism? You're not going to find a source proving a negative, because that's just how logic works. A source on the single "vaccines=autism" study being falsified? Gladly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/ The abstract covers the whole saga. TL;DR version: Wakefield published a study in 1998 suggesting the MMR vaccine was linked to autism, a study which people took seriously despite it being garbage science (n=12). Subsequent not-garbage science showed that supposed link to be nonsense as well as a financial conflict of interest, and the paper was retracted. A second retraction occurred in 2010 when it was revealed that the paper misrepresented his experimental findings and contained some data that he knew to be incorrect. And then the final nail in the coffin was a journalistic investigation that uncovered that he was guilty of deliberate fraud and had knowingly falsified data, presumably for financial gain. This final revelation cost him his medical license and should - in my opinion - qualify him for thousands of second-degree murder charges because of the movement he sparked. A single, falsified study is the basis for most of the anti-vaxx movement. QED, wench. Krissa posted... There are studies proving the link between illness and neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity. Duh. There's no question that mercury and whatnot are neurotoxic. As with any toxicity, however, dosage must be considered, as must the form the toxic elements take (e.g. Chlorine gas is highly toxic, yet chloride ions are essential for our bodies' function). If you want to suggest that vaccines are responsible for neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity, you need to show that vaccines contain neurotoxic doses of those heavy metals, as well as that the metals are present in a form that would cause such toxicity. Krissa posted... Also, if a person contracts a disease, why do you care? You're protected right? Vaccines are not 100% effective. I've had pertussis, despite being vaccinated beforehand. I can probably thank that vaccine that I'm still alive to tell you about it, because that was a pretty nasty bug. In addition to lessening the severity of any infections one does end up with, vaccines increase the pathogen load that's required to overcome your existing immunity and end up with an infection. There's a world of difference between the pathogen load you're exposed to in the environment and the pathogen load you're exposed to when somebody with measles sits next to you. Vaccines can generally handle the former, but the latter is much harder. This is why the polio vaccine we give now is substantially weaker than the one that was originally given: you don't need as strong a vaccine when you aren't dealing with people with polio on a daily basis. Additionally, there are people who actually cannot be vaccinated, usually due to an allergy or some form of immunocompromise. Those people have to rely on herd immunity, which is the simple fact that you're unlikely to get infected by a disease if most of the people around you are immune (I believe the threshold is 90-95%ish). Those people become vulnerable if the vaccination rate drops below the herd immunity threshold, which is bad. There's also the fact that the unvaccinated people getting these diseases generally didn't make the non-vaccination decision themselves, so there's an element of wanting to protect them from their idiot parents. Just basic compassion, really. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928188447] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>I'd like to see your sources.</quote> On what, vaccines not being linked to autism? You're not going to find a source proving a negative, because that's just how logic works. A source on the single "vaccines=autism" study being falsified? Gladly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/ The abstract covers the whole saga. TL;DR version: Wakefield published a study in 1998 suggesting the MMR vaccine was linked to autism, a study which people took seriously despite it being garbage science (n=12). Subsequent not-garbage science showed that supposed link to be nonsense as well as a financial conflict of interest, and the paper was retracted. A second retraction occurred in 2010 when it was revealed that the paper misrepresented his experimental findings and contained some data that he knew to be incorrect. And then the final nail in the coffin was a journalistic investigation that uncovered that he was guilty of deliberate fraud and had knowingly falsified data, presumably for financial gain. This final revelation cost him his medical license and should - in my opinion - qualify him for thousands of second-degree murder charges because of the movement he sparked. A single, falsified study is the basis for most of the anti-vaxx movement. QED, wench. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>There are studies proving the link between illness and neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity.</quote> Duh. There's no question that mercury and whatnot are neurotoxic. As with any toxicity, however, dosage must be considered, as must the form the toxic elements take (e.g. Chlorine gas is highly toxic, yet chloride ions are essential for our bodies' function). If you want to suggest that vaccines are responsible for neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity, you need to show that vaccines contain neurotoxic doses of those heavy metals, as well as that the metals are present in a form that would cause such toxicity. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>Also, if a person contracts a disease, why do you care? You're protected right?</quote> Vaccines are not 100% effective. I've had pertussis, despite being vaccinated beforehand. I can probably thank that vaccine that I'm still alive to tell you about it, because that was a pretty nasty bug. In addition to lessening the severity of any infections one does end up with, vaccines increase the pathogen load that's required to overcome your existing immunity and end up with an infection. There's a world of difference between the pathogen load you're exposed to in the environment and the pathogen load you're exposed to when somebody with measles sits next to you. Vaccines can generally handle the former, but the latter is much harder. This is why the polio vaccine we give now is substantially weaker than the one that was originally given: you don't need as strong a vaccine when you aren't dealing with people with polio on a daily basis. Additionally, there are people who actually cannot be vaccinated, usually due to an allergy or some form of immunocompromise. Those people have to rely on herd immunity, which is the simple fact that you're unlikely to get infected by a disease if most of the people around you are immune (I believe the threshold is 90-95%ish). Those people become vulnerable if the vaccination rate drops below the herd immunity threshold, which is bad. There's also the fact that the unvaccinated people getting these diseases generally didn't make the non-vaccination decision themselves, so there's an element of wanting to protect them from their idiot parents. Just basic compassion, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 10/01/19 1:13:32 PM #127:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Dfy556 posted... dancer62 posted... Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith. Sad but true Anti-vax is a zeitgeist, mate. Anti-vax is the most popular and common viewpoint in our culture? Interesting if true. --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:928190879] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote> Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith.</quote> Sad but true</quote> Anti-vax is a zeitgeist, mate.</quote> Anti-vax is the most popular and common viewpoint in our culture? Interesting if true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Don_Dondon 10/01/19 2:34:29 PM #128:	Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol --- Official Gooey of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Board <cite>Don_Dondon posted [p:928194204] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Magus 10 10/01/19 4:15:53 PM #129:	Ideally I'd get rid of both. If I had to pick between the two, climate change deniers, if only because I think it's more important to do something about that sooner. That said, both groups can fuck right off. --- *Internet = Tube0 + Tube1X + Tube2X^2/2! + Tube3X^3/3! + Tube4X^4/4! + ...* <cite>Magus 10 posted [p:928198484] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Ideally I'd get rid of both. If I had to pick between the two, climate change deniers, if only because I think it's more important to do something about that sooner. That said, both groups can fuck right off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 10/01/19 4:17:51 PM #130:	Don_Dondon posted... Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol True, because both issues will be replaced by real issues. --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:928198577] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Don_Dondon posted...</cite> <quote>Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol</quote> True, because both issues will be replaced by real issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/01/19 4:19:02 PM #131:	dancer62 posted... Don_Dondon posted... Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol True, because both issues will be replaced by real issues. And what, pray tell, would you consider to be a "real issue"? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928198621] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Don_Dondon posted...</cite> <quote>Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol</quote> True, because both issues will be replaced by real issues.</quote> And what, pray tell, would you consider to be a "real issue"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 10/01/19 4:27:58 PM #132:	adjl posted... dancer62 posted... Don_Dondon posted... Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol True, because both issues will be replaced by real issues. And what, pray tell, would you consider to be a "real issue"? Maybe not real. Maybe equally flakey, but newer issues. How about e-cigarettes? 12 deaths nationwide! Sort of makes traffic safety and drive-by shootings fade right into the background! Almost as much a public health issue as meteor strikes! --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:928199038] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Don_Dondon posted...</cite> <quote>Climate Change Deniers, anti-vaxxers will all be gone before long anyway lol</quote> True, because both issues will be replaced by real issues.</quote> And what, pray tell, would you consider to be a "real issue"?</quote> Maybe not real. Maybe equally flakey, but newer issues. How about e-cigarettes? 12 deaths nationwide! Sort of makes traffic safety and drive-by shootings fade right into the background! Almost as much a public health issue as meteor strikes!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/01/19 4:36:21 PM #133:	dancer62 posted... Anti-vax is the most popular and common viewpoint in our culture? Interesting if true. No, just in your "special" culture. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928199403] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Anti-vax is the most popular and common viewpoint in our culture? Interesting if true.</quote> No, just in your "special" culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 10/01/19 4:58:20 PM #134:	Kyuubi4269 posted... dancer62 posted... Anti-vax is the most popular and common viewpoint in our culture? Interesting if true. No, just in your "special" culture. ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure. And you might read the definition of "zeitgeist". --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:928200383] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Anti-vax is the most popular and common viewpoint in our culture? Interesting if true.</quote> No, just in your "special" culture.</quote> ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure. And you might read the definition of "zeitgeist".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Magus 10 10/01/19 5:57:21 PM #135:	dancer62 posted... ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure. What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures? --- *Internet = Tube0 + Tube1X + Tube2X^2/2! + Tube3X^3/3! + Tube4X^4/4! + ...* <cite>Magus 10 posted [p:928202848] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure.</quote> What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 10/01/19 7:17:29 PM #136:	Magus 10 posted... dancer62 posted... ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure. What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures? Actually, longer than that. Ward Clerk, Med Tech through college, then 35 years as Clinical Psychologist, Medical Staff membership at several hospitals. And precisely what are your qualifications to determine medical necessity? Have you treated the emotional sequelae of paralysis from bad vaccines? --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:928206283] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Magus 10 posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure.</quote> What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures?</quote> Actually, longer than that. Ward Clerk, Med Tech through college, then 35 years as Clinical Psychologist, Medical Staff membership at several hospitals. And precisely what are your qualifications to determine medical necessity? Have you treated the emotional sequelae of paralysis from bad vaccines?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Magus 10 10/01/19 7:34:35 PM #137:	dancer62 posted... Magus 10 posted... dancer62 posted... ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure. What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures? Actually, longer than that. Ward Clerk, Med Tech through college, then 35 years as Clinical Psychologist, Medical Staff membership at several hospitals. And precisely what are your qualifications to determine medical necessity? Have you treated the emotional sequelae of paralysis from bad vaccines? None of those sound like qualifications for determining the necessity of medical procedures. And I never claimed to have those qualifications. I defer to doctors with those qualifications. --- *Internet = Tube0 + Tube1X + Tube2X^2/2! + Tube3X^3/3! + Tube4X^4/4! + ...* <cite>Magus 10 posted [p:928206951] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>Magus 10 posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted...</cite> <quote>ROFL! Not "my" culture, but from 35 years of working in hospitals and clinics, definitely skeptical of ANY unnecessary medical procedure.</quote> What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures?</quote> Actually, longer than that. Ward Clerk, Med Tech through college, then 35 years as Clinical Psychologist, Medical Staff membership at several hospitals. And precisely what are your qualifications to determine medical necessity? Have you treated the emotional sequelae of paralysis from bad vaccines?</quote> None of those sound like qualifications for determining the necessity of medical procedures. And I never claimed to have those qualifications. I defer to doctors with those qualifications.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caroniver 10/06/19 2:27:40 PM #138:	Magus 10 posted... What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures? Sounds to me like those 35 years have done nothing for you if you still reject science. --- Mixer of Mega Dash Juices, slayer of giant monsters. The elevation increases as the bullet is fired <cite>Caroniver posted [p:928414090] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Magus 10 posted...</cite> <quote>What exactly is it that you've done for 35 years that qualifies you to make claims about the necessity of any medical procedures? </quote> Sounds to me like those 35 years have done nothing for you if you still reject science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/06/19 3:03:48 PM #139:	To all the people that believe science is infallible, I request you learn about thalidomide which was first used to treat nausea in pregnant women and later was discovered that it caused birth defects. So if you think that just because a chemical is "GRAS" (generally regarded as safe) doesn't mean it actually is. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:928415501] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible, I request you learn about thalidomide which was first used to treat nausea in pregnant women and later was discovered that it caused birth defects. So if you think that just because a chemical is "GRAS" (generally regarded as safe) doesn't mean it actually is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/06/19 3:46:02 PM #140:	SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928417308] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/06/19 3:58:17 PM #141:	adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. But when the medication contains something more harmful than the diseases themselves, well... --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:928417874] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> But when the medication contains something more harmful than the diseases themselves, well...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/06/19 4:00:22 PM #142:	SunWuKung420 posted... But when the medication contains something more harmful than the diseases themselves, well... Oxygen is immensely dangerous, it requires very careful handling, stop breathing it. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928417970] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>But when the medication contains something more harmful than the diseases themselves, well...</quote> Oxygen is immensely dangerous, it requires very careful handling, stop breathing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/06/19 4:30:28 PM #143:	SunWuKung420 posted... adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. But when the medication contains something more harmful than the diseases themselves, well... A belief which is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. Vaccine complications account for vastly fewer deaths and injuries than these diseases did prior to vaccination. Are they perfectly safe? Of course not. Nothing is. Are they safer than being unvaccinated? Objectively so. The medical and scientific communities have done a lot to sow distrust, so I can sympathize with people being skeptical of them, but skepticism doesn't mean refusing to accept basic empirical reality. Vaccines are the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history. Discarding all of that observable good because you're worried about a couple one-in-a-million side effects or want to cling to one study that was never good science even before it was retracted for being fraudulent is a **ing terrible idea. Be skeptical, certainly, but not unhealthily so. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928419319] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> But when the medication contains something more harmful than the diseases themselves, well...</quote> A belief which is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. Vaccine complications account for vastly fewer deaths and injuries than these diseases did prior to vaccination. Are they perfectly safe? Of course not. Nothing is. Are they safer than being unvaccinated? Objectively so. The medical and scientific communities have done a lot to sow distrust, so I can sympathize with people being skeptical of them, but skepticism doesn't mean refusing to accept basic empirical reality. Vaccines are the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history. Discarding all of that observable good because you're worried about a couple one-in-a-million side effects or want to cling to one study that was never good science even before it was retracted for being fraudulent is a **ing terrible idea. Be skeptical, certainly, but not unhealthily so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowbird_RH 10/06/19 5:52:06 PM #144:	Anti-vaxxers mostly only hurt themselves. Climate change denialism threatens the entire world. --- Fail, and we all face a tyrannical age of pizza the likes of which sentient life has never known. - Sun'barac, Xenoblade Chronicles X <cite>Shadowbird_RH posted [p:928422679] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Anti-vaxxers mostly only hurt themselves. Climate change denialism threatens the entire world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/06/19 5:53:07 PM #145:	Shadowbird_RH posted... Anti-vaxxers mostly only hurt themselves. Mostly their kids, actually. And also anyone around their kids that would normally rely on herd immunity. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928422721] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Shadowbird_RH posted...</cite> <quote>Anti-vaxxers mostly only hurt themselves. </quote> Mostly their kids, actually. And also anyone around their kids that would normally rely on herd immunity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 10/06/19 6:00:01 PM #147:	adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally. --- "Her name is fitting." <cite>zebatov posted [p:928423006] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/06/19 6:04:34 PM #148:	zebatov posted... adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally. So, youd rather risk the disease? Which isnt so bad... until you factor in the rest of the people. Its not so bad these days because even anti-vaxxers can rely on herd immunity. But if enough people stop taking them, then the risk becomes greater... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928423178] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally.</quote> So, youd rather risk the disease? Which isnt so bad... until you factor in the rest of the people. Its not so bad these days because even anti-vaxxers can rely on herd immunity. But if enough people stop taking them, then the risk becomes greater...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 10/06/19 6:36:54 PM #149:	LinkPizza posted... zebatov posted... adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally. So, youd rather risk the disease? Which isnt so bad... until you factor in the rest of the people. Its not so bad these days because even anti-vaxxers can rely on herd immunity. But if enough people stop taking them, then the risk becomes greater... I actually just rely on the fact that the chances Ill ever come into contact with any life-threatening diseases is slim to none. And I live about four hours away from a Measles outbreak that happened because we allowed someone into our country who hadnt been checked. --- "Her name is fitting." <cite>zebatov posted [p:928424569] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally.</quote> So, youd rather risk the disease? Which isnt so bad... until you factor in the rest of the people. Its not so bad these days because even anti-vaxxers can rely on herd immunity. But if enough people stop taking them, then the risk becomes greater...</quote> I actually just rely on the fact that the chances Ill ever come into contact with any life-threatening diseases is slim to none. And I live about four hours away from a Measles outbreak that happened because we allowed someone into our country who hadnt been checked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/06/19 7:17:16 PM #150:	zebatov posted... adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally. And that belief is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. Your feelings of how at-risk you are do not influence the actual risk you're facing. zebatov posted... I actually just rely on the fact that the chances Ill ever come into contact with any life-threatening diseases is slim to none. And that is true only because enough people have been vaccinated to provide herd immunity. For now. That you're relying on herd immunity (despite being perfectly capable of being vaccinated yourself) means you should be opposing anything that could potentially reduce vaccination rates and interfere with that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928426597] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally.</quote> And that belief is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. Your feelings of how at-risk you are do not influence the actual risk you're facing. zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>I actually just rely on the fact that the chances Ill ever come into contact with any life-threatening diseases is slim to none.</quote> And that is true only because enough people have been vaccinated to provide herd immunity. For now. That you're relying on herd immunity (despite being perfectly capable of being vaccinated yourself) means you should be opposing anything that could potentially reduce vaccination rates and interfere with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/06/19 7:19:22 PM #151:	zebatov posted... LinkPizza posted... zebatov posted... adjl posted... SunWuKung420 posted... To all the people that believe science is infallible, Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis. False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally. So, youd rather risk the disease? Which isnt so bad... until you factor in the rest of the people. Its not so bad these days because even anti-vaxxers can rely on herd immunity. But if enough people stop taking them, then the risk becomes greater... I actually just rely on the fact that the chances Ill ever come into contact with any life-threatening diseases is slim to none. And I live about four hours away from a Measles outbreak that happened because we allowed someone into our country who hadnt been checked. You usually dont come into contact with others because most people are vaccinated. Which means anti-vaxxers are a problem because youre chances to come in contact will be higher. And of that person that came into your country was vaccinated, the outbreak wouldnt have happened. Or if the people that caught it were vaccinated. Youre making a good case for people to get vaccinated... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928426713] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>To all the people that believe science is infallible,</quote> Nobody believes that science is infallible. Just that being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they prevent is stupid and flagrantly at odds with basic statistics and risk analysis.</quote> False. Ive never felt at risk of disease but Ive certainly read over a vaccine side-effect booklet before. Im not willing to take the risk, personally.</quote> So, youd rather risk the disease? Which isnt so bad... until you factor in the rest of the people. Its not so bad these days because even anti-vaxxers can rely on herd immunity. But if enough people stop taking them, then the risk becomes greater...</quote> I actually just rely on the fact that the chances Ill ever come into contact with any life-threatening diseases is slim to none. And I live about four hours away from a Measles outbreak that happened because we allowed someone into our country who hadnt been checked.</quote> You usually dont come into contact with others because most people are vaccinated. Which means anti-vaxxers are a problem because youre chances to come in contact will be higher. And of that person that came into your country was vaccinated, the outbreak wouldnt have happened. Or if the people that caught it were vaccinated. Youre making a good case for people to get vaccinated...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 10/11/19 9:28:13 AM #152:	--- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:928627424] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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