Poll of the Day > Formal impeachment inquiry against trump

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49814927

Looks like the republican response is going to be to release the transcript of only the July 25th call and claim it exonerates him of any wrong doing and try to use that to distract from the fact that the legal whistleblower complaint is being illegally repressed
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Hope they know what theyre doing, going to be near impossible to convince the Senate to vote him out.
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...

Hope they know what theyre doing, going to be near impossible to convince the Senate to vote him out.

Oh I doubt anything will ever sway Moscow Mitch, but that doesnt mean Congress shouldnt do their job here otherwise it sets a precedence to just allow this kind of brazen corruption for all presidents going forward
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I mean, if the job of politicians is to get policies implemented, they're effectively doing nothing besides shooting for political points.

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Yellow posted...

I mean, if the job of politicians is to get policies implemented, they're effectively doing nothing besides shooting for political points.

This is more than likely going to hurt democrats. Why do you think party leadership has been so reluctant to begin a formal inquiry?
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I'm surprised it's lasted this long...
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This can't be true, Ohhhja double posted about it being false
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Mead posted...

This is more than likely going to hurt democrats. Why do you think party leadership has been so reluctant to begin a formal inquiry?

Why would they do it in the first place? I honestly don't know, but it's a waste of time.

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Yellow posted...

Mead posted...

This is more than likely going to hurt democrats. Why do you think party leadership has been so reluctant to begin a formal inquiry?

Why would they do it in the first place? I honestly don't know, but it's a waste of time.

Because at the bare minimum Trump has openly admitted to committing high crimes and Congress is the only body of oversight in the situation. Its beyond the scope of regular criminal justice. By formally beginning the inquiry Congress now has unilateral power to investigate and call witnesses and there will be actual consequences for anyone that impedes them.
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Blighboy posted...

This can't be true, Ohhhja double posted about it being false

lmao
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...

Hope they know what theyre doing, going to be near impossible to convince the Senate to vote him out.

It's not going to be "near-impossible" - it's going to be just straight-up impossible. No way Moscow Mitch and his band of spineless cronies ever vote to convict, regardless of the facts of the case. I seriously think that Trump could enact his hypothetical fantasy of shooting someone in downtown Manhattan and the Republicans would just claim it was justified and the left is engaging in a witch hunt.

This isn't about removing Trump - this is about getting to the facts. This is about getting around Trump's stonewalling of Congress's investigative powers. This is about presenting the most complete picture to the voters, in advance of next year's election, of the scope and scale of Trump's misdeeds.

Best of luck to them. I'm glad they finally grew a spine.
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Apparently Trump called Pelosi trying to negotiate over following the law.

Anyways there was a point where the correct view was "Does he deserve to be impeached? Yes. Should be be? Not the best idea for democrats"

That point is passed, if democrats do no take action against this criminal administration they won't be able to justify themselves in 2020. This isn't all about how republicans will respond to them opening an inquiry. It's about how any sane person will respond to them refusing to hold this administration responsible for their actions and actually perform their oversight role.

Mead posted...

that the legal whistleblower complaint is being illegally repressed

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

darkknight109 posted...

Moscow Mitch

You guys need your own laugh track.
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Aaantlion posted...

Mead posted...

that the legal whistleblower complaint is being illegally repressed

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

darkknight109 posted...

Moscow Mitch

You guys need your own laugh track.

I would sincerely like to commend you for restraining yourself when it came to posting that same gif again.

BlackScythe0 posted...

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Apparently Trump called Pelosi trying to negotiate over following the law.

Anyways there was a point where the correct view was "Does he deserve to be impeached? Yes. Should be be? Not the best idea for democrats"

That point is passed, if democrats do no take action against this criminal administration they won't be able to justify themselves in 2020. This isn't all about how republicans will respond to them opening an inquiry. It's about how any sane person will respond to them refusing to hold this administration responsible for their actions and actually perform their oversight role.

Pretty much.

They dont expect a senate that has turned a blind eye to all of Trumps BS to actually vote to impeach him.

BUT... it does force them to go on the record and tell the American people what they think. And there are some who were on the record against Bill Clinton. Lets see how they defend their willingness to condemn a man for a lying about getting head but not for an idiot that has obstructed justice, broken the emoluments clause, literally attempted to blackmail a country that has been invaded by a hostel power, m saw it fit that a foreign power meddle in our elections, made us look like a bunch of pussies to the world whilst standing next to Putin, etc.
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Cacciato posted...

I would sincerely like to commend you for restraining yourself when it came to posting that same gif again.

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HornedLion posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

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Apparently Trump called Pelosi trying to negotiate over following the law.

Anyways there was a point where the correct view was "Does he deserve to be impeached? Yes. Should be be? Not the best idea for democrats"

That point is passed, if democrats do no take action against this criminal administration they won't be able to justify themselves in 2020. This isn't all about how republicans will respond to them opening an inquiry. It's about how any sane person will respond to them refusing to hold this administration responsible for their actions and actually perform their oversight role.

Pretty much.

They dont expect a senate that has turned a blind eye to all of Trumps BS to actually vote to impeach him.

BUT... it does force them to go on the record and tell the American people what they think. And there are some who were on the record against Bill Clinton. Lets see how they defend their willingness to condemn a man for a lying about getting head but not for an idiot that has obstructed justice, broken the emoluments clause, literally attempted to blackmail a country that has been invaded by a hostel power, m saw it fit that a foreign power meddle in our elections, made us look like a bunch of pussies to the world whilst standing next to Putin, etc.

Basically. The day Trump leaves office is the day he is arrested, everything he has done IS going to come out and the republican party is going to put their name down on that vote for supporting him.

Aaantlion posted...

You guys need your own laugh track.

When Trump gets one for every time he says Crooked Hillary, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, Sleepy Joe Biden, Low Energy Jeb, Pocahontas, Crazy Joe Biden, Lyin' Ted Cruz, Crazy Bernie, Lyin' James Comey, Liddle Bob Corker, Wacky Omarosa, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Lil' Marco Rubio, Mr. Magoo, Sloppy Steve Bannon, I'll consider it.

Strangely, I never heard you - a "left-leaning centrist" - in any way reacting to Trump's penchant for insulting nicknames. Guess the shoe doesn't fit so well on the other foot, huh?

Aaantlion posted...

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

Probably still there. I know plenty of leftists who were upset with that aspect of his presidency.
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Aaantlion posted...

Mead posted...

that the legal whistleblower complaint is being illegally repressed

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

darkknight109 posted...

Moscow Mitch

You guys need your own laugh track.

Oh look, Zeus responded to a topic about Trump doing something wrong with "but what about Obama?". I am filled with shock and amaze.
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darkknight109 posted...

When Trump gets one for every time he says Crooked Hillary, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, Sleepy Joe Biden, Low Energy Jeb, Pocahontas, Crazy Joe Biden, Lyin' Ted Cruz, Crazy Bernie, Lyin' James Comey, Liddle Bob Corker, Wacky Omarosa, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Lil' Marco Rubio, Mr. Magoo, Sloppy Steve Bannon, I'll consider it.

Strangely, I never heard you - a "left-leaning centrist" - in any way reacting to Trump's penchant for insulting nicknames. Guess the shoe doesn't fit so well on the other foot, huh?

Face it, he's better at nicknames than you are. Some of those it feels like you made up on the spot and you omitted the more notable ones he used. However, and most importantly, wasn't this *exactly* the behavior you criticized him for? Seems a little disingenuous, darkknight.
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adjl posted...

Oh look, Zeus responded to a topic about Trump doing something wrong with "but what about Obama?". I am filled with shock and amaze.

Oh look adjl writes off shit actually happening -- and to a far greater level -- and ignores inconvenient facts that hurt his convenient narrative.
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adjl posted...

Aaantlion posted...

Mead posted...

that the legal whistleblower complaint is being illegally repressed

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

darkknight109 posted...

Moscow Mitch

You guys need your own laugh track.

Oh look, Zeus responded to a topic about Trump doing something wrong with "but what about Obama?". I am filled with shock and amaze.

Wait!! Thats fucking Zeus!?

Does he have any other alts?

Im fine watching him do his thing but I actually responded to him in another thread as if he was a real person. And now I feel all weird inside. Like when youre in a public shower and accidentally come in contact with someones Johnson.
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HornedLion posted...

And now I feel all weird inside. Like when youre in a public shower and accidentally come in contact with someones Johnson.

Weird? That just sounds like a good time!

But yeah. Thats Zeus. He has others, as well...
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Aaantlion posted...

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

The notable cases youre referring to happened outside the confines of the law. Those individuals may or may not have been right to release information to the public but they made the choice to do so illegally.

This is a case of a whistleblower taking the legal route to file a complaint, and that report is being repressed by the Trump administration illegally. If someone sees blatant wrongdoing and corruption and has no legal course to alert the Congress, then that effectively removes the checks and balances that are the foundation of our government.

Why do you even post.
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HornedLion posted...

Im fine watching him do his thing but I actually responded to him in another thread as if he was a real person.

Says the guy who confused "hostel" and "hostile," which is probably the most glaring example of Poe's Law I've seen in ages.

LinkPizza posted...

He has others, as well...

Not now he don't. Well, at least, not ones being used here.

Mead posted...

The notable cases youre referring to happened outside the confines of the law.

...you mean like whistleblowing so often does? Not to mention the problematic nature of what was and wasn't pursued:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/16/whistleblowers-double-standard-obama-david-petraeus-chelsea-manning

Then there's the fact that at least one whistleblower -- Chelsea Manning -- was tortured under Obama's watch.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/08/the-true-scandal-of-2016-was-the-torture-of-chelsea-manning/

Or the fact that prior to these whistleblowers coming forward, they had been blocked by official channels and others had been intimidated against even pursuing the ineffective official channels thanks to Obama's hardline anti-whistleblowing stance.
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Aaantlion posted...

Obama'

Your insistence on whataboutism rather than acknowledging the issue at hand is legitimately hilarious, especially given the gravity of the current situation.

Another tactic straight from bananaland
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but obama
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Aaantlion posted...

Face it, he's better at nicknames than you are.

I mean, I guess if elementary schoolyard humour is your thing, he's probably the funniest man alive.

Also, I've literally never made up a nickname for someone, so yeah, in that sense Trump wins by default.

Aaantlion posted...

Some of those it feels like you made up on the spot

Literally every single one of those is an actual nickname Trump has used.

Aaantlion posted...

and you omitted the more notable ones he used

Thus further proving my point. Thanks.

Aaantlion posted...

However, and most importantly, wasn't this *exactly* the behavior you criticized him for?

I've criticized him for a lot of things - you'll have to be more specific.Moreover, I'm not the fucking President of the United States, so there's a pretty big gap in what's expected of me, an average citizen, and Trump.

But to get to the core of your statement, yes, I've criticized Trump - and others - for the incredibly dumb practice of "insulting" political nicknames that would make a third grader roll their eyes and say, "Seriously? That's fucking stupid." They're not creative, they're not funny, they're not doing anything to improve the political discourse - they're just juvenile name calling and anyone who thinks they constitute wit - notably including Trump - clearly stopped mentally maturing around age 5. Stephen Harpo, Justin Trudope, Barrack Obomber, Shillary, Cheeto Jesus - all of them are stupid, all of them should be outlawed and their users shunned.

However, I make an exception for Moscow Mitch and *only* for Moscow Mitch (OK, actually, I also make an exception for "Cheeto Benito", because that one's actually kind of funny) for two very important reasons.

First of all, unlike 99% of all these dumb political nicknames, including every single one Trump has ever come up with, this one actually has a basis in fact and points to a very serious issue - specifically that for 4+ years at least, Moscow Mitch has stood in the way of all attempts to beef up American election security and safeguard it against Russian meddling. Calling him "Moscow Mitch" reminds everyone that this goat-fucker is so nakedly powerhungry, so completely consumed by his own need to exert his will on others and secure his hold on power, he is willing to do anything, up to and including deliberately not doing his job and leaving the proverbial door unlocked for America's greatest foe on the world stage, because he knows that the foreign actors that will take advantage of a lapse in security will do so to the benefit of him and his party (and you can bet that if another country tried to rig things in favour of the Democrats, this asshole would get a security bill passed tomorrow morning). That's borderline treason and any opportunity taken to remind people of that is a good one.

The second, and far more important reason, is that Moscow Mitch has stated that he feels deeply insulted by the nickname, which is more than enough reason for me to keep using it. After all the bullshit he's heaped on the US and the rest of the world, he deserves to feel insulted and a whole lot worse. Is that petty? You betcha - but given who they've got in charge, the Republicans have lost all right to complain about pettiness at this point.

The nickname also appeared to play a role in him finally backing down and signing on to the Democrats' election security bill, so there's that.
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Republican Bill Weld says the only good Cheeto is a dead Cheeto.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/23/politics/gop-primary-bill-weld-mark-sanford-joe-walsh-trump/index.html
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Dems still can't get over the 2016 election lol. Temper tantrum continues. Guess we'll just ignore the transcript and the Ukrainian president who stated he wasn't pressured to do anything right?
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lol grim posted another YouTube video

I bet everyone is gonna watch it
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HornedLion posted...

Wait!! Thats fucking Zeus!?

Does he have any other alts?

Every time Duckbear makes a topic another Zeus alt is born
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Aaantlion posted...

adjl posted...

Oh look, Zeus responded to a topic about Trump doing something wrong with "but what about Obama?". I am filled with shock and amaze.

Oh look adjl writes off shit actually happening -- and to a far greater level -- and ignores inconvenient facts that hurt his convenient narrative.

I'm not particularly commenting on either incident, actually. I'm just laughing at your unhealthy obsession with whataboutism.

If you want to be taken seriously, don't treat "somebody else did it before!" as though it were a legitimate argument that whatever's currently happening isn't bad. That's a position you should be more than capable of arguing by looking at what's happening now, provided it is in fact a defensible position and you have a justifiable reason for holding it.

Peterass posted...

Dems still can't get over the 2016 election lol.

3 years is nothing on a political time scale, especially when you consider that the president elected in said election is still in office. What a silly thing to say.
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adjl posted...

3 years is nothing on a political time scale, especially when you consider that the president elected in said election is still in office. What a silly thing to say.

3 years is a ridiculous amount of time to not accept the results of a fair election. What's silly is that there are people who want him out based on false accusations and personal opinions of the man. Whats silly is that the same people wanted him out before he even was elected. Despite what Trump said said, this truly is a "witch hunt"
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Peterass posted...

adjl posted...

3 years is nothing on a political time scale, especially when you consider that the president elected in said election is still in office. What a silly thing to say.

3 years is a ridiculous amount of time to not accept the results of a fair election. What's silly is that there are people who want him out based on false accusations and personal opinions of the man. Whats silly is that the same people wanted him out before he even was elected. Despite what Trump said said, this truly is a "witch hunt"

Funny that you whine about this when Trump himself cant let the 2016 election go even though he won

Its not normal for a president to keep crying about the opponent they beat in an election but three years later he still cant stop talking about Hilary at his campaign rallies that never ended. Hes the only president that has spent his entire time in office running for president
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Mead posted...

Hes the only president that has spent his entire time in office running for president

Obama
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Peterass posted...

Mead posted...

Hes the only president that has spent his entire time in office running for president

Obama

Obama didnt hold campaign rallies all through his time in office nice try though

Keep complaining that liberals cant get over 2016 when you obviously cant get over 2008
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There is a bit to unpack with this.

Pelosi is obviously not willing to take any more heat for NOT pursuing impeachment anymore. This is largely a political move on her part; it's not her problem anymore if she sends this off to the Senate and she knows it will die in the Senate. If the House sends it to the Senate, they can tell people to stfu about impeachment demands leveled at House Democrats. I don't think I need to tell you why that would be appealing, lol. It basically means that absolutely nothing will happen at all but Pelosi will stop getting nagged.

This isn't to say that Trump didn't do something that constitutes an impeachable offense; he's done numerous things that constitute that, particularly with respect to Saudi Arabia. This is also not to say that the Biden family isn't also corrupt as Hell. I think I first learned about Hunter Biden's corruption back in... 2015? Politically informed people have known about the Bidens for years. I find it kind of funny that this is only breaking out now because of Trump's (not unjustified) belief that he is above the law.

Corruption is not a partisan issue.

Cacciato posted...

...what? And where was this indignation when Obama arrested more whistleblowers than any previous president and used that threat to intimidate other people from coming forward?

Have you been living under a rock or something? People hated that about Obama on both sides of the political aisle. The only explanation I can come up with for you saying something so stupid is that you don't actually have any idea what people on the political left have been doing for the past few decades because you don't listen to people who disagree with you on subject X long enough to realize that they're with you on subject Y.

Obama is not as popular on the left as people like Biden would have you believe. He just had great PR, lol.

I personally despised the man, particularly for what he and Clinton did in Libya. "B-bu-but Obamaaaaa" is rendered utterly useless the moment you run into someone who criticizes both. Maybe find a better argument?
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Mead posted...

Keep complaining that liberals cant get over 2016 when you obviously cant get over 2008

Nice deflect. Go back to your safe space and put your tinfoil hat on
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/25/critics-say-only-full-whistleblower-complaint-will-do-trump-white-house-signals
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Let's start here, the destruction of the rule of law, an action essential to establishing an authoritarian or totalitarian state, began long before the arrival of the Trump administration.

The George W. Bush administrations invasion of Iraq and implementation of a doctrine of pre-emptive war were war crimes under international law. The federal governments ongoing wholesale surveillance of the citizenry, another legacy of the Bush administration, mocks our constitutional right to privacy.

The steady nullification of constitutional rights by judicial fiata legal trick that has enabled corporations to buy the electoral system in the name of free speechhas turned politicians from the two ruling parties into amoral tools of corporate power.

Lobbyists in Washington and the state capitals write legislation to legalize tax boycotts, destroy regulations and government oversight, pump staggering sums of money into the war machine and accelerate the largest upward transfer of wealth in American history, one that has involved looting the U.S.Treasury of trillions of dollars in the wake of the massive financial fraud that set off the 2008 economic collapse.

The ruling elites, by slavishly serving corporate interests, created a system of government that effectively denied the citizen the use of state power.

This decades-long disregard by the two major political parties for the rule of law and their distortion of government into a handmaiden for corporations set the stage for Donald Trumps naked contempt for legality and accountability.

At the center of this clown court is Trump, who, if the rule of law was in place, would have been impeached on his first day in office for violating the Constitutions emoluments clause; by violating that prohibition, this chief executive is raking in millions from officials of foreign governments and lobbyists who stay at his hotels and resorts and use his golf courses.
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https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/Unclassifiedukrainetranscript09.2019.pdf

The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

No collusion
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Peterass posted...

Guess we'll just ignore the transcript and the Ukrainian president who stated he wasn't pressured to do anything right?

I mean, what's Zelensky going to do? Toss Trump under the bus and hope the Republican who replaces him, along with the Republican running the senate, look favourably on the fact that he just dethroned their president and don't tear his badly-needed military aid to ribbons, while also implicitly admitting to his own voters that he's America's bitch? Fat fucking chance.

Also, the transcript is out and it showed pretty much exactly what everyone expected it would - even Republicans are signing off that this is a damning revelation.

Peterass posted...

3 years is a ridiculous amount of time to not accept the results of a fair election.

Dude, everyone's accepted the results of the election. People aren't saying, "Get rid of him, he rigged the election," they're saying, "Get rid of him, dude's corrupt as fuck." You can acknowledge that the election was fair (as fair as it can be despite Russian interference, anyways) and still want Trump gone. You can acknowledge he won the election and still, on Day 1, think he deserves to be impeached for breaching campaign finance laws. Or violating the prohibition against emoluments. Or due to the multiple allegations of sexual assault made against him.

The only people who still bring up 2016 are Republicans, who are the political equivalents of the 40 year old in his basement looking through his high school yearbook and sighing wistfully as he remembers that time he won the big game back in high school and wondering why no one else ever comments how amazing it was. Democrats have long since moved on - Trump has given them more than enough ammunition to call for his ouster that has nothing to do with 2016.

Gaawa_chan posted...

This is also not to say that the Biden family isn't also corrupt as Hell. I think I first learned about Hunter Biden's corruption back in... 2015?

Corrupt how?

The allegations against Hunter Biden are completely, transparently politically-motivated bullshit cooked up by Trump and his cronies. To wit:
1) Hunter was never a subject of investigation by Ukraine, and the current prosecutor has made clear that they have no evidence or allegations he ever participated in wrongdoing.
2) An investigation was launched into Burisma, the company that Hunter is on the board of directors of, but it involved transactions that occurred before Hunter joined the company in 2014. There are no allegations of wrongdoing that date from the time Hunter has been with the company.
3) That investigation went dormant due to lack of evidence and the unlikelihood of charges long before Joe Biden pressed for the ouster of Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin.
4) On that note, Shokin's ouster was pushed for not just by Biden and the US, but also by the EU, the IMF, and ordinary Ukrainian citizens, who were protesting and calling for his resignation. His removal had nothing to do with the investigations he was doing, but rather the ones he wasn't doing, as he was famously soft on corruption, refusing to prosecute anyone from the current or previous governments.

And if you're a Vice President hoping to cover up your son's corrupt activity, pushing for the removal of a prosecutor who is soft on corruption and who has stopped investigating your son's company in favour of one that will take a much harder line on white collar crime probably isn't a winning move.
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Mead posted...

No collusion

The new 'no collusion' is 'no quid pro quo', but several lawmakers have already pointed out that quid pro quo is not necessary for this to register as a violation. The mere fact that he sought cooperation from a foreign power to aid in his re-election efforts - something that the transcript shows and that Trump has actually (stupidly?) admitted to doing even after all of this came to light - is illegal.
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There really is no bottom to this fucking well of dipshit corruption

https://wapo.st/2oKbopL
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