Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 235: Autopsy-Turvy

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Boy he sure has been unable to say words lately.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

glad to see Trump taking on big pharma and demanding free access to life-saving medication

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1164252571420233734?s=19

Should give it to us for free

Is he counting himself as a veteran contemplating suicide?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How do disabled Vets get hundreds of millions in college loans with the GI Bill + tuition assistance Vets get?

Are there that many 100% disabled vets going for a second Bachelors or Masters when they technically shouldnt even be able to work?

When did the GI Bill start? Does it apply to before entering the military?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Boy he sure has been unable to say words lately.

By 2024 theyre gonna be out there propping him up as a genius leader while hes so far gone he cant even remember who hes supposed to be campaigning for

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Jakyl25 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Boy he sure has been unable to say words lately.

By 2024 theyre gonna be out there propping him up as a genius leader while hes so far gone he cant even remember who hes supposed to be campaigning for

There's no way he forgets that he's campaigning for his third term that he wants so badly.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also why would it not be legal through executive order? Couldnt he just cite eminent domain and compensate the lenders?

He absolutely can't forgive loans through an executive order; Congress would have to do that. From the article, though, it sounds like Congress already did make a program that would allow veterans to have their student loans forgiven but that few took advantage of it. The executive order is supposedly going to make it easier for them to actually utilize the existing program.

Which is good, but it's hard for me to give him props here when his Department of Education made it almost impossible to use a similar program that aimed to forgive loans of teachers:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/11/teachers-union-sues-betsy-devos-1583187

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I am a disabled veteran. Not every disabled veteran, and there are a fuckton of us, is "100%" disabled. I am only 20% disabled. Here are some facts regarding service disability.

A service connected disability is a disability that can be connected to an event that occurred during a veteran's time in service. Disabilities can be any number of things; hearing loss, gunshot wound, broken bone, mental health issues, concussions, etc. The most common disability, by far, is PTSD. Somewhere behind that, but still very common for Marines, is Degenerative Disk Disease.

The percentage is cumulative. Meaning if a veteran has multiple items that each have a percentage associated with them, the percentages add. Most veterans with 100% don't only have one item that is getting them that percentage. Personally, I have two that add up to 20% and those items don't really affect my day to day life outside of occasionally my back giving me problems, but I do get "free" healthcare for life because of it.

Having a 100% service connected disability does not necessarily mean the veteran is in a wheelchair or missing a limb. My cousin, has sever PTSD as well as suffered a concussion while he was deployed to Afghanistan and had to be medically retired from his commission as an officer is the US Army. He has 100% service connected disability but if you were to look at him, you wouldn't think anything was wrong.
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Can you go over 100% then?

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Im also a disabled Vet with a cumulative rating of 30%, but I was downgraded and Im in the process of getting MRIs to fight it.

I just think its wild some people can get almost 40 grand a year tax free (at 100%), plus the GI Bill and manage to rack up student loan debt. Its hard to tell how or why it managed to get up to hundreds of millions.

Corrik7 posted...

When did the GI Bill start? Does it apply to before entering the military?

No, it starts at the end of your service, but while on Active Duty there are a ton of a loan forgiveness/tuition assistance programs (I took around 30 credit hours for free my last year in) that let you go to school without even using your GI Bill.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im also a disabled Vet with a cumulative rating of 30%, but I was downgraded and Im in the process of getting MRIs to fight it.

I just think its wild some people can get almost 40 grand a year tax free (at 100%), plus the GI Bill and manage to rack up student loan debt. Its hard to tell how or why it managed to get up to hundreds of millions.

Corrik7 posted...

When did the GI Bill start? Does it apply to before entering the military?

No, it starts at the end of your service, but while on Active Duty there are a ton of a loan forgiveness/tuition assistance programs (I took around 30 credit hours for free my last year in) that let you go to school without even using your GI Bill.

People who can afford to pay for tuition out of pocket (for instance, people with affluent parents) still rack up student loan debt. The reason is why would you pay out of pocket, real money, that you could use for something else, like buying a house, that will generate value, when you could borrow the money for school instead? And maybe you pay it back, maybe you don't.
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*reads comments from today*

nope. sorry. i refuse to accept this is real life. nice try, but this is just a very realistic feeling nightmare i will wake up from later.

But while I'm here...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/business/economy/jobs-growth-revision.html

Job growth for 2018 and early 2019 were revised down 500,000. sad.

Also, the Trump administration is trying to eliminate the Flores agreement (a decades-old settlement that prevents the government from detaining children for over 20 days) and give themselves the authority to hold migrant families indefinitely.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/flores-migrant-family-detention.html
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xp1337 posted...

Also, the Trump administration is trying to eliminate the Flores agreement (a decades-old settlement that prevents the government from detaining children for over 20 days) and give themselves the authority to hold migrant families indefinitely.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/flores-migrant-family-detention.html

Wouldn't this more likely STOP child separation? Flores is the reason why children can't be held with adults.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

xp1337 posted...

Also, the Trump administration is trying to eliminate the Flores agreement (a decades-old settlement that prevents the government from detaining children for over 20 days) and give themselves the authority to hold migrant families indefinitely.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/flores-migrant-family-detention.html

Wouldn't this more likely STOP child separation? Flores is the reason why children can't be held with adults.

Keeping a child in essentially prison forever being justified.

oh snap Inslee out

yay whittle that field good guy inslee
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Aww. I hope he gets looked at for Secretary of the Interior, or EPA Chief.
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Inviso posted...

Aww. I hope he gets looked at for Secretary of the Interior, or EPA Chief.

His entire reason for running in the first place was to raise his profile and get picked for one of those positions, wasn't it?

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/21/us/mass-shooting-threats-tuesday/index.html

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/21/us/california-arrest-mass-shooting-plan/index.html

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Leafeon13N posted...

Keeping a child in essentially prison forever being justified.

Then agree to streamline cases, be kept together in a third country until asylum is proved or disproved, or agree to increasing the amount of judges to prevent the logjam.

Democrats routinely block measures which would help end the logjam causing the issue while complaining it happens.

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Corrik7 posted...

Then agree to streamline cases, be kept together in a third country until asylum is proved or disproved, or agree to increasing the amount of judges to prevent the logjam.

Democrats routinely block measures which would help end the logjam causing the issue while complaining it happens.

I agree with increasing the amount of judges

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I just saw a 5-minute ad from Prager U about how theyre suing YouTube for censoring their videos, and that if they lose this lawsuit, thats the end of Freedom of Speech in the United States

This ad was a pre-roll ad on YouTube

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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Then agree to streamline cases, be kept together in a third country until asylum is proved or disproved, or agree to increasing the amount of judges to prevent the logjam.

Democrats routinely block measures which would help end the logjam causing the issue while complaining it happens.

I agree with increasing the amount of judges

They have increased the number of judges.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/16/trump-ice-raids-immigration-courts-arent-ready-227359

There were 290 immigration judges in September 2016, there are 424 as of April 2019.

The backlog problem - or rather the fact that it ballooned recently - is a problem of Trump's own doing. He rescinded Obama-era regulations that let judges set aside/suspend lower priority cases in order to handle the more complex asylum or criminal cases. Then Sessions went even further as AG and rescinded their authority to do so and are instructed to pursue every case, and Sessions's ruling applied to 330,000 cases that had been closed and forced them to reopen those cases. On top of all this, Trump terminating DACA has added cases that would have been under that umbrella to be added to the caselog.

Asylum seekers staying in a third country relies on agreements with that third country and that has been the issue there. IIRC a few of them have rejected such proposals, not sure what any of this has to with democrats tbqhhhhhhh
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https://federalnewsnetwork.com/budget/2019/04/more-immigration-judges-consolidation-color-doj-2020-budget-request/

http://immigrationimpact.com/2016/07/27/despite-immigration-judge-hiring-court-backlogs-continue-grow/#.XV4EmlMpCdM

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xp1337 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Then agree to streamline cases, be kept together in a third country until asylum is proved or disproved, or agree to increasing the amount of judges to prevent the logjam.

Democrats routinely block measures which would help end the logjam causing the issue while complaining it happens.

I agree with increasing the amount of judges

They have increased the number of judges.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/16/trump-ice-raids-immigration-courts-arent-ready-227359

There were 290 immigration judges in September 2016, there are 424 as of April 2019.

The backlog problem - or rather the fact that it ballooned recently - is a problem of Trump's own doing. He rescinded Obama-era regulations that let judges set aside/suspend lower priority cases in order to handle the more complex asylum or criminal cases. Then Sessions went even further as AG and rescinded their authority to do so and are instructed to pursue every case, and Sessions's ruling applied to 330,000 cases that had been closed and forced them to reopen those cases. On top of all this, Trump terminating DACA has added cases that would have been under that umbrella to be added to the caselog.

Asylum seekers staying in a third country relies on agreements with that third country and that has been the issue there. IIRC a few of them have rejected such proposals, not sure what any of this has to with democrats tbqhhhhhhh

It's almost like the problems are intentionally inflates and made worse to legitimize the rhetoric.
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And again this discussion is pure misdirection.

This particular action does nothing to speed up the process but allows children to be imprisoned indefinitely.

Arguably this actually removes the incentive to process cases with children faster as they have no obligation to ever release them.

It is nothing but inhumane.

The cruelty is the point. The cruelty is always the point.
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Would yinz be okay if they automatically denied and deported all those with cases in the system now to start with a fresh slate and no backlog so that children separation for lengthy amounts wouldn't happen?

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Corrik7 posted...

Would yinz be okay if they automatically denied and deported all those with cases in the system now to start with a fresh slate and no backlog so that children separation for lengthy amounts wouldn't happen?

Misdirection.

This answer is complicated and irrelevant.

Leafeon13N posted...

Misdirection.

This answer is complicated and irrelevant.

Yes or no. Would you be okay with everyone being denied if it meant the system would be unclogged and could operate smoothly going forward.

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so are we gonna talk about how trump looked at the sky and said "I am the chosen one" or has that already been covered
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what "unclogging" the system means in this case automatically, indiscriminately abridging justice for everybody involved
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would you be ok with loading all the immigrants with kids into a cannon and launching them into the ocean

children would be launched along with their parents so there would be no separation and it would unclog the America tubes

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

would you be ok with loading all the immigrants with kids into a cannon and launching them into the ocean

children would be launched along with their parents so there would be no separation and it would unclog the America tubes

Totally rational equivalence. Lmfao.

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oh im glad you agree with me that it was a rational equivalence because that is totally what I intended

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

oh im glad you agree with me that it was a rational equivalence because that is totally what I intended

Yep. I think your making fun of Trump card should be taken after that. You sound worst than him tbqh.

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If Corrik stays up past midnight hes snorrik.
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If Corrik is in love he's adorrik.
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Corrik7 posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

oh im glad you agree with me that it was a rational equivalence because that is totally what I intended

Yep. I think your making fun of Trump card should be taken after that. You sound worst than him tbqh.

Look, having nuclear my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart you know, if youre a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say Im one of the smartest people anywhere in the world its true! but when youre a conservative Republican they try oh, do they do a number thats why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because were a little disadvantaged but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me it would have been so easy, and its not as important as these lives are nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of whats going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? but when you look at whats going on with the four prisoners now it used to be three, now its four but when it was three and even now, I would have said its all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they dont, they havent figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, its gonna take them about another 150 years but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.
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Corrik7 posted...

Yep. I think your making fun of Trump card should be taken after that. You sound worst than him tbqh.

i fail to see how firing children out of cannons is worse than anything trump does

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If Corrik is in love he's amorrik
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If Corrik was a female wild pig that was killed and turned into something that covered the entrance to a building, he'd be a lass, door boarrik.
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Legit question for rural Americans - how do I ignore the 30-50 wild boarriks that post in my topic within 3-5 mins?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

i fail to see how firing children out of cannons is worse than anything trump does

I guess you "lack empathy"

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Corrik7 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Misdirection.

This answer is complicated and irrelevant.

Yes or no. Would you be okay with everyone being denied if it meant the system would be unclogged and could operate smoothly going forward.

The answer is a simple no because that includes many people that have been here since they were children and are essentially Americans.

The rest is complicated and will run into severe humanitarian issues.

Holding children indefinitely is still inhumane. You should be ashamed of yourself for remotely supporting such an ability.

If Corrik felt dissatisfied with his position in life, he would be wants-morrik.
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Corrik7 posted...

I guess you "lack empathy"

im loaded with empathy, I just know that its better to be free in a cannon than locked in a cage

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

im loaded with empathy, I just know that its better to be free in a cannon than locked in a cage

So you are a death penalty supporter. That is surprising.

Though the options were for all to be sent back to their own countries, not murdered in the middle of an ocean.

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Leafeon13N posted...

The answer is a simple no because that includes many people that have been here since they were children and are essentially Americans.

The rest is complicated and will run into severe humanitarian issues.

Holding children indefinitely is still inhumane. You should be ashamed of yourself for remotely supporting such an ability.

Well, this would only be in regards to those who have cases pending. I am assuming this doesn't apply to the dreamers, right?

And, no, of course I am not ashamed. You don't let non-citizen children parentlessly go about the country without their parents for possibly years. That is frankly insane.

They would be with their parents locked up, but it is not allowed.

I feel much better for the children knowing they are in an established place accounted for waiting for their parents than possibly lost forever to the parent.

I wish parents wouldn't break the law and try to enter the country illegally though. It is not the best choice for their family/children.

And, it would cause severe humanitarian issues to return them to their countries? You mean... Like the humanitarian issues it is causing to try and sort the cases of them all coming to ours?

Gee whiz...

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Corrik7 posted...

I wish parents wouldn't break the law and try to enter the country illegally though. It is not the best choice for their family/children.

this is an immense amount of ignorance you are displaying here.
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Corrik7 posted...

And, it would cause severe humanitarian issues to return them to their countries? You mean... Like the humanitarian issues it is causing to try and sort the cases of them all coming to ours?

these are judicial issues not humanitarian issues.

But I guess if you don't consider people to be people its hard to tell the difference.
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red13n posted...

these are judicial issues not humanitarian issues.

But I guess if you don't consider people to be people its hard to tell the difference.

You literally are talking about how inhumane the conditions are while saying it isn't a humanitarian issue.

Doesn't make sense!

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