Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 230: Not a racist bone spur in his body

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Not_an_Owl
07/21/19 12:23:32 PM
#251:


Donald fucking Trump asking anyone to apologize for hateful rhetoric is pretty rich.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 12:48:05 PM
#252:


Corrik7 posted...
You do eat your own a lot when in similar situations. However, after awhile you seem to let it be water under the bridge and lose steam against Democrats or are willing to forgive them. Trump is literally complained about almost no matter what he does all day.


this is totally false. i will criticize bernie when i think he's said something stupid (and i have done this before), and i'll be the first to compliment trump when i feel like he's given me a reason to. for example, i've stated before that one thing i appreciate about trump is that he's a republican president who's not a hyper-religious nutcase (which certainly sets him apart from, say, GWB). if i complain about trump a lot, that's because he says and does a lot of stuff i think is bad, not because i'm so biased against him that i will complain about him no matter what he says or does. again, you're throwing a completely unsubstantiated insult at me. this is just ulti's "TRUMP COULD CURE CANCER AND YOU LIBERALS WOULD STILL HATE HIM LOL" bullshit in different words.
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red sox 777
07/21/19 12:51:11 PM
#253:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
Corrik7 posted...
You do eat your own a lot when in similar situations. However, after awhile you seem to let it be water under the bridge and lose steam against Democrats or are willing to forgive them. Trump is literally complained about almost no matter what he does all day.


this is totally false. i will criticize bernie when i think he's said something stupid (and i have done this before), and i'll be the first to compliment trump when i feel like he's given me a reason to. for example, i've stated before that one thing i appreciate about trump is that he's a republican president who's not a hyper-religious nutcase (which certainly sets him apart from, say, GWB). if i complain about trump a lot, that's because he says and does a lot of stuff i think is bad, not because i'm so biased against him that i will complain about him no matter what he says or does. again, you're throwing a completely unsubstantiated insult at me. this is just ulti's "TRUMP COULD CURE CANCER AND YOU LIBERALS WOULD STILL HATE HIM LOL" bullshit in different words.


Lasa, you're not someone's who's acting that way. Millions of Democrats are.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 1:02:10 PM
#254:


corrik is accusing me of acting that way. i attacked him and he responded to me by saying "you're willing to forgive democrats and you complain about trump all day almost no matter what he does," as you can see in the quote.
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Corrik7
07/21/19 1:24:38 PM
#255:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
corrik is accusing me of acting that way. i attacked him and he responded to me by saying "you're willing to forgive democrats and you complain about trump all day almost no matter what he does," as you can see in the quote.

You as in Democrats in general.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 1:32:54 PM
#256:


if you were attacking democrats in general and not me, you should have said this. because you were responding to me, not democrats in general.

seems like you're backpedaling now because i called you out on your insult.
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Corrik7
07/21/19 1:51:16 PM
#257:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
if you were attacking democrats in general and not me, you should have said this. because you were responding to me, not democrats in general.

seems like you're backpedaling now because i called you out on your insult.

I literally said 60 million plus voted for hillary. Not my fault you don't know how you plural works.
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Samurai7
07/21/19 1:52:42 PM
#258:


If you were replying to him, and you said 'you' that clearly means him.... even if it means him and democrats thats still including him.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 2:00:32 PM
#259:


Corrik7 posted...
I literally said 60 million plus voted for hillary. Not my fault you don't know how you plural works.


then why the hell did you say this in response to my post?

were you saying "ok, cool post lasa, but now i'm going to make a completely unrelated point about democrats in general"?
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Kenri
07/21/19 2:02:14 PM
#260:


Lasa this kind of thing is why people say he's not worth engaging to begin with
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Corrik7
07/21/19 2:05:31 PM
#261:


Samurai7 posted...
If you were replying to him, and you said 'you' that clearly means him.... even if it means him and democrats thats still including him.

No, it doesn't clearly mean that. If I said Lasastyke, then I mean Lasastryke. Let's not act like we don't know simple English now. lol

Corrik7 posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
what bothers me most about that little debate with corrik is not that he dismisses/sugarcoats trump's racism (annoying as fuck, yes, but we've seen it many times before) but that he claims that WE all accuse trump of being a racist because we "do not agree with his views and actions." as if we don't actually give a crap about racism and we're just a bunch of petulant children who immediately throw words like "racist" around just because we disagree with trump's opinions on healthcare or something.

while he gives trump the benefit of the doubt again and again and again, he's being an extremely condescending, passive-aggressive asshole to this topic's regulars.

I am not passive-aggressive at all. Though you have a somewhat valid argument. You do eat your own a lot when in similar situations. However, after awhile you seem to let it be water under the bridge and lose steam against Democrats or are willing to forgive them. Trump is literally complained about almost no matter what he does all day. Which to be fair, Obama was also by conservatives. Are you that much different than the conservatives in that regard?

Was Hillary a racist? Was she anti-LGBT?

I saw someone when I referenced Hillary was anti gay marriage / for DOMA previously that they don't hold it against their because everyone was against it then and it was political suicide not to be. She wasn't woke yet (if she ever actually was).

How is this not different than discussion with TheRock above about people being terrible people generations prior when things were different also?

I just do not think your arguments remain consistent. And, when called out on that inconsistency it is just "STRAWMAN" deflections.

Corrik7 posted...
Inviso posted...
...are you kidding, Corrik?

A ton of anti-Hillary Dems constantly complained about Hillary being homophobic because she signed on with gay marriage so late. And they constantly bring up the whole super-predator thing as well.

Anti-Hillary Dems. 60 some million voted for Hillary, however. I think it is safe to say that the Dems didn't think Hillary was a homophobe or a racist enough to not support her. Hell, not even enough to not give her the nomination of your party.

The fact is, many handwaved Clinton's comments regarding LGBT matters as a matter of the time. Which I think is FAIR. But, I apply that consistency across the board. I think some of you pick and choose at times.


Just lmfao.

Like, the person who responded to me immediately understood what I said. But, I guess the quota for arguing over nonsense wasn't met today so a whole day later someone is gonna act like they can't understand English to act like they were personally insulted.

*rolls eyes*
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ChaosTonyV4
07/21/19 2:29:55 PM
#262:


Its pointless to argue this, even though weve had plenty of arguments about Bernie, Biden, Tulsi, Warren, etc, because the Right tends to be the party of love it or leave it, Corrik is one of those people who thinks all Democrats are a hivemind.

He is literally incapable of grasping the idea that someone who supports Democrats out of necessity may actually dislike a Democrat.
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Kenri
07/21/19 2:50:31 PM
#263:


Democrats are a hivemind that also eats its own, depending on which sick gotcha will let you own them at any given moment.
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Corrik7
07/21/19 2:55:59 PM
#264:


Good thing that no one ever insinuated you were a hivemind! Lol

The party of supposed diversity being a hivemind would be quite ironic though.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 3:10:05 PM
#265:


Corrik7 posted...
Trump is literally complained about almost no matter what he does all day. Which to be fair, Obama was also by conservatives. Are you that much different than the conservatives in that regard?


seems to me like you're insinuating that democrats are a hivemind here. we complain about trump all day almost no matter what he does.

then again, i'm just an idiot who can't understand english so what do i know.
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LordoftheMorons
07/21/19 3:18:49 PM
#266:


We constantly complain about Trump because hes constantly doing horrible shit
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LordoftheMorons
07/21/19 3:25:43 PM
#267:


Interesting thread about how to campaign against Trump from a guy who helped run two campaigns against David Duke:

https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/1152930670093787141?s=21
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Corrik7
07/21/19 3:41:11 PM
#268:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Trump is literally complained about almost no matter what he does all day. Which to be fair, Obama was also by conservatives. Are you that much different than the conservatives in that regard?


seems to me like you're insinuating that democrats are a hivemind here. we complain about trump all day almost no matter what he does.

then again, i'm just an idiot who can't understand english so what do i know.

Well, the good thing is that someone can probably help you with that for an hourly rate.


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ChaosTonyV4
07/21/19 5:42:56 PM
#269:


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/us/politics/trump-race-record.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Here's a good breakdown of Trump's history on race, including lots of friends/former friends going "yeah, what he said was definitely racist".

I'd like to see Corrik, Seph, and red sox read this, and then decide if it's POSSIBLE Trump holds some racial prejudices.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 6:18:29 PM
#270:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I'd like to see Corrik, Seph, and red sox read this, and then decide if it's POSSIBLE Trump holds some racial prejudices.


it's been abundantly clear for ages that corrik goes "nope, not racist" whenever he's confronted with trump saying anything racist. not sure what you think there could possibly be gained from him reading this, other than yet another "yinz think trump is racist because you don't agree with his views lol" line or something.
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LordoftheMorons
07/21/19 6:21:08 PM
#271:


Trump was also the person who most pushed the Obama birther conspiracy, which was unambiguously racist as fuck
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Nrrr
07/21/19 6:26:49 PM
#272:


It's actually worse then that. Corriks defense of Trump last time was that he isn't racist, he just doesn't mind utilizing race to make money or enrich himself. Essentially, the argument is that Trump cares about literally nobody and would use anybody for any reason if he saw personal gain in it. This is true, but the disagreement is over the fact that everyone else is saying "it's racist to say racist things and enact racist policies" while Corrik is saying no it's only racist if deep down you truly hate other races. Being a sociopath is just business!

And this is an argument from a supporter of his.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/21/19 6:30:52 PM
#273:


Nrrr posted...
Corrik is saying no it's only racist if deep down you truly hate other races.


i mean, it's quite clear that this is the case with trump, so...
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ChaosTonyV4
07/21/19 6:39:26 PM
#274:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I'd like to see Corrik, Seph, and red sox read this, and then decide if it's POSSIBLE Trump holds some racial prejudices.


it's been abundantly clear for ages that corrik goes "nope, not racist" whenever he's confronted with trump saying anything racist. not sure what you think there could possibly be gained from him reading this, other than yet another "yinz think trump is racist because you don't agree with his views lol" line or something.


Call it morbid curiosity.
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Leafeon13N
07/21/19 7:17:03 PM
#275:


Trump is just a racist. There isn't a valid argument for anything else.
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Nrrr
07/21/19 7:25:46 PM
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Jakyl25
07/21/19 8:28:37 PM
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Not_an_Owl
07/21/19 8:34:18 PM
#278:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/craigrwall/status/1153015403897118725?s=21

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red sox 777
07/22/19 12:39:06 AM
#279:


Nrrr posted...
It's actually worse then that. Corriks defense of Trump last time was that he isn't racist, he just doesn't mind utilizing race to make money or enrich himself. Essentially, the argument is that Trump cares about literally nobody and would use anybody for any reason if he saw personal gain in it. This is true, but the disagreement is over the fact that everyone else is saying "it's racist to say racist things and enact racist policies" while Corrik is saying no it's only racist if deep down you truly hate other races. Being a sociopath is just business!

And this is an argument from a supporter of his.


You've got it...... It seems there is no dispute here.
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red sox 777
07/22/19 12:48:39 AM
#280:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
Nrrr posted...
Corrik is saying no it's only racist if deep down you truly hate other races.


i mean, it's quite clear that this is the case with trump, so...


That's not the case at all. I think Corrik's model, that deep down Trump does not care about anyone other than himself, for good or bad, is compelling.
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LordoftheMorons
07/22/19 12:56:45 AM
#281:


Oh Trump absolutely is a narcissist first and foremost, but that doesn't preclude him from being a racist at all.
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MoogleKupo141
07/22/19 1:03:42 AM
#282:


I dont think Trump hates people of other races in like a grr exterminate the minorities way, I just think he thinks theyre lesser than white people as a whole. He seems like a guy who would say youre one of the good ones to a black guy he liked.
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Corrik7
07/22/19 5:34:18 AM
#283:


red sox 777 posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
Nrrr posted...
Corrik is saying no it's only racist if deep down you truly hate other races.


i mean, it's quite clear that this is the case with trump, so...


That's not the case at all. I think Corrik's model, that deep down Trump does not care about anyone other than himself, for good or bad, is compelling.

Trump appears to mostly care about people based for the most part on how they affect his bottom line. He runs his entire life basically as it is a business for the most part. He is dictated by money value. If a white person he deems will lose him money and an African-American person would be good for his pockets, he will like the African-American person more than the White person. Etc.

Many people who voted for Trump liked the fact that he would run America like a business and felt he would be good for the economy. The economy is humming right along with him in the presidency. So, it seems that has payed off.
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Ashethan
07/22/19 9:06:28 AM
#284:


Trump is definitely running the country like his businesses. Deficits are going up, the government is running out of money, he spent DC's money for fighting terrorism on a parade for himself. He's looking out for his fellow rich friends over the average Americans, helping them get rich on our dime. Unfortunately for us, we can't just declare bankruptcy and walk away.
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Reg
07/22/19 9:19:49 AM
#285:


Anybody who thinks that "running the country like a business" (even in general, as opposed to it being Donald "I literally bankrupted a casino" Trump specifically) is at all good or desirable is a fucking moron
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Corrik7
07/22/19 10:12:48 AM
#286:


Ashethan posted...
Trump is definitely running the country like his businesses. Deficits are going up, the government is running out of money, he spent DC's money for fighting terrorism on a parade for himself. He's looking out for his fellow rich friends over the average Americans, helping them get rich on our dime. Unfortunately for us, we can't just declare bankruptcy and walk away.

Really silly complaints when the economy is humming and numbers are around all time bests. Come on now. It is hard to take yinz serious when every last thing the person does is a complaint. If you can't acknowledge economically the country is in the right track then you kind of prove you can't acknowledge anything in regards to him.
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tazzyboyishere
07/22/19 10:19:24 AM
#287:


Corrik7 posted...
It is hard to take yinz serious

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Espeon
07/22/19 10:19:43 AM
#288:


Corrik7 posted...
Ashethan posted...
Trump is definitely running the country like his businesses. Deficits are going up, the government is running out of money, he spent DC's money for fighting terrorism on a parade for himself. He's looking out for his fellow rich friends over the average Americans, helping them get rich on our dime. Unfortunately for us, we can't just declare bankruptcy and walk away.

Really silly complaints when the economy is humming and numbers are around all time bests. Come on now. It is hard to take yinz serious when every last thing the person does is a complaint. If you can't acknowledge economically the country is in the right track then you kind of prove you can't acknowledge anything in regards to him.


I mean, the economy is doing no real different than it was under President Obama, so where did all that economic anxiety go?
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Metal_DK
07/22/19 10:19:52 AM
#289:


Corrik7 posted...
Many people who voted for Trump liked the fact that he would run America like a business and felt he would be good for the economy. The economy is humming right along with him in the presidency. So, it seems that has payed off.


The economy isnt really doing that great. Dont give me some dumb stock market argument also, 84% of all stocks arent owned by 10% of households. Unemployment numbers mean shit (they did under obama too if it makes you feel better). People are glued to the social media world of trying to get the most followers and retweets, and more and more people are lonely and on anti depressesants.
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Corrik7
07/22/19 10:26:00 AM
#290:


Metal_DK posted...
The economy isnt really doing that great.

Seriously?

How can you even say that with a straight face?
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tazzyboyishere
07/22/19 10:27:34 AM
#291:


Corrik7 posted...
How can yinz even say that with a straight face?

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Metal_DK
07/22/19 10:28:50 AM
#292:


Corrik7 posted...
Metal_DK posted...
The economy isnt really doing that great.

Seriously?

How can you even say that with a straight face?


Because its not
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red sox 777
07/22/19 10:34:00 AM
#293:


BTW, contrary to popular belief casinos lose money or go through bankruptcy frequently. Caesars (the biggest operator of US casinos) recently went through a bankruptcy. It's not because the casinos or hotels themselves lose money - but their owners saddle the corporation with mountains of high interest debt. I don't know if this predates Trump or if he was an innovator in the industry but it is absolutely common now and makes casino stocks one of the highest volatility industries.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/22/19 10:38:09 AM
#294:


Corrik7 posted...
Really silly complaints when the economy is humming and numbers are around all time bests. Come on now.


there's nothing silly about the complaints. "the economy is doing good" and "the deficit is going up" aren't mutually exclusive.

you can make the argument that the deficit going up isn't a big deal, but nothing ashethan said was incorrect.
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Jakyl25
07/22/19 10:51:58 AM
#295:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
I dont think Trump hates people of other races in like a grr exterminate the minorities way, I just think he thinks theyre lesser than white people as a whole. He seems like a guy who would say youre one of the good ones to a black guy he liked.


Look at my African-American over there! to be precise
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Corrik7
07/22/19 10:52:47 AM
#296:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Really silly complaints when the economy is humming and numbers are around all time bests. Come on now.


there's nothing silly about the complaints. "the economy is doing good" and "the deficit is going up" aren't mutually exclusive.

you can make the argument that the deficit going up isn't a big deal, but nothing ashethan said was incorrect.

It is very rare the deficit goes down. I didn't see this complaint levied too often from Democrats when Obama was in office.
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Jakyl25
07/22/19 10:54:27 AM
#297:


Do Democrats ever promise to eliminate the deficit though? Thats usually a Republican thing.
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Jakyl25
07/22/19 10:58:25 AM
#298:


Like it seems to me that the basic difference between Republican and Democrat economic policy is Democrats want to tax more and spend more, and Republicans want to tax less and still spend more.
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Xeybozn
07/22/19 11:30:02 AM
#299:


What does "run the country like a business" even mean, anyway? I'd assume that means the government should make a profit, but the only ways to do that are to raise taxes, make huge cuts in government services without corresponding tax cuts, or start profit-driven wars with other nations. All of these are very unpopular ideas, but most Americans seem to support the idea the the government should be more like a business.
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Reg
07/22/19 11:37:53 AM
#300:


Jakyl25 posted...
Do Democrats ever promise to eliminate the deficit though? Thats usually a Republican thing.

The deficit dropped dramatically while Obama was in office (relative to where it started, not relative to Bush)

It did skyrocket in the first few years between needing to pull the economy out of Bush's recession and properly putting the wars on the books, but by the end of his term it was back down to Bush levels in spite of that.

Meanwhile, it skyrocketed again under Donald. Whenever Republicans claim to care about the deficit or debt, it's 100% hypocrisy.
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