Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 230: Not a racist bone spur in his body

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i don't even get the "trump disavows the chant" thing tbqh.

trump: omar should just leave.
crowd: yeah, get her out of here.
trump: WAHHHHH I DISAVOW THIS.

There's a huge difference between "she should prove her policies work by trying them in X country" and "send her back to X country."
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i don't even get the "trump disavows the chant" thing tbqh.

trump: omar should just leave.
crowd: yeah, get her out of here.
trump: WAHHHHH I DISAVOW THIS.

Inb4 Corrik points out that Trump said he tried to stop it.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

Corrik stop being such a disingenuous moron

LITERALLY NOBODY is saying that Trump is actually trying to successfully get Omar deported. WE KNOW it's 'rhetoric'. It's fucking vile rhetoric.

Like how when I call you a dumb ass motherfucker I'm not claiming you are a donkey that likes to actually fuck his mother. Oddly enough you're only capable at understanding the "real meanings" of criticisms when it comes to defending the garbage that comes out of Trump's mouth but when it comes to the criticism your capability to derive meanings from words goes out the fucking window.

Stop twisting your brain into mush to defend shit that even Trump had to back away from, have some god damn respect for yourself because good fucking lord none of us have a single shred of it for you if you're going to keep being this willfully obtuse for your entire miserable life.

It is okay for us to disagree on things. I think you are twisting it to make it some racist comment. You think I am twisting it to make it a viable comment and condoning racism.

We just disagree. I feel Trump's tweet about going back was just that he thinks she is being anti-american and that if she dislikes America so much that she should go back to the country her family came to here from and see what it is like there.

You feel otherwise.

*shrug* It was not too long ago that the house was leading a charge to condemn Omar's comments I believe, in a Democrat held House. The situation is kind of weird. Though, I guess that is Mandela's point. You are forced to defend at least two idiots (at least out of the 4) to attack Trump on this angle, after democrats were attacking them not long ago themselves.
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Corrik7 posted...

*shrug* It was not too long ago that the house was leading a charge to condemn Omar's comments I believe, in a Democrat held House. The situation is kind of weird. Though, I guess that is Mandela's point. You are forced to defend at least two idiots (at least out of the 4) to attack Trump on this angle, after democrats were attacking them not long ago themselves.

I mean you can hate Trump's comment and feel its racist without liking or defending Omar or AOC (especially AOC since her country to go back to would be Puerto Rico which is still the US).
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Fun fact: Before Trump's comments everyone here was criticizing the Dems attacks against Omar and other progressives. Only exception maybe LotM who is more of a centrist but I'm not even sure he said much. The rest of us very much take issue with Dem leadership, we don't just tow the party line and throw ourselves under their wheels, nor does LotM simply go along with progressives.

Corrik can stop projecting his hack commentary that twists by the winds of Trump's breath onto others because the only political theory he understands is following the party line.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Fun fact: Before Trump's comments everyone here was criticizing the Dems attacks against Omar and other progressives. Only exception maybe LotM who is more of a centrist but I'm not even sure he said much. The rest of us very much take issue with Dem leadership, we don't just tow the party line and throw ourselves under their wheels, nor does LotM simply go along with progressives.

Corrik can stop projecting his hack commentary that twists by the winds of Trump's breath onto others because the only political theory he understands is following the party line.

You are not the House. As I referred to. Democrats were attacking them. Just because some in this topic possibly were not, it does not make the comment any less correct.

Projecting what? You are just trying to twist something to try and assert a narrative here. And over what? You are coming off as just trying to argue any point at all no matter what it is.

Also, my views differ from the party line kind of significantly for you to be arguing I only follow the party line.
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Late commentary but I was hoping for a Warren/Biden and Sanders/Harris split in the 2nd Debate. Oh well. Harris has gotten really fortunate with these debate pairings so far with two opportunities to face Biden.
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btw, Trump has reversed course and is now whole-heartedly defending the "Send Her Back" chants

But please, Corrik, tell us more about how he's not a racist piece of shit =) =) =)

Reg posted...

btw, Trump has reversed course and is now whole-heartedly defending the "Send Her Back" chants

But please, Corrik, tell us more about how he's not a racist piece of shit =) =) =)

I don't see it personally.
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Would a racist go out of his way to #FreeA$AP from white captivity?
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it has been obvious for years that trump is a racist piece of shit, anyone who claims otherwise is either a troll or an idiot.
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.

I don't agree with the can't be one idea. But, if Omar and company were Republicans agreeing with him, I doubt he would have any issue with them.

If he was a racist against them, he would be against them regardless.
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Reg posted...

But please, Corrik, tell us more about how he's not a racist piece of shit =) =) =)

Trump could come out wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit while hanging a black man from a noose, and his defenders would go "TOTALLY NOT RACIST!"
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Ashethan posted...

Reg posted...

But please, Corrik, tell us more about how he's not a racist piece of shit =) =) =)

Trump could come out wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit while hanging a black man from a noose, and his defenders would go "TOTALLY NOT RACIST!"

Isn't that basically what the Virginia governor or whatever did? Lol. Minus the actual hanging. /Joke
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I can see why corrik has no idea what racism is, he clearly has no idea what jokes are

How dare you say that definitely non-moon man Corrik doesn't understand human jokes.
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kevwaffles posted...

How dare you say that definitely non-moon man Corrik doesn't understand human jokes.

But is Hot Dog his favorite meat?
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his names not humorrick for a reason
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https://twitter.com/colinkahl/status/1152301082212573184?s=21

These fucking guys
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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.

I don't agree with the can't be one idea. But, if Omar and company were Republicans agreeing with him, I doubt he would have any issue with them.

If he was a racist against them, he would be against them regardless.

This is like saying you cant be sexist if you like SOME women
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.

I don't agree with the can't be one idea. But, if Omar and company were Republicans agreeing with him, I doubt he would have any issue with them.

If he was a racist against them, he would be against them regardless.

This is like saying you cant be sexist if you like SOME women

This has been the Republican line for awhile. They typically only like women if they sit in the background and fall in line.

Leafeon13N posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.

I don't agree with the can't be one idea. But, if Omar and company were Republicans agreeing with him, I doubt he would have any issue with them.

If he was a racist against them, he would be against them regardless.

This is like saying you cant be sexist if you like SOME women

This has been the Republican line for awhile. They typically only like women if they sit in the background and fall in line.

Sarah Palin? Susan Collins? Margaret Thatcher?
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I dont think Thatcher was a Republican
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Leafeon13N posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.

I don't agree with the can't be one idea. But, if Omar and company were Republicans agreeing with him, I doubt he would have any issue with them.

If he was a racist against them, he would be against them regardless.

This is like saying you cant be sexist if you like SOME women

This has been the Republican line for awhile. They typically only like women if they sit in the background and fall in line.

Don't forget the pregnant ones in the kitchen.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d2f5cb3e4b0a873f645c537?test_ad=readmo_test

Heres Lindsay Graham LITERALLY saying that Trump cant be racist because hes too narcissistic, and only hates those who hate him.

Incredible defense of a sitting President.

I don't agree with the can't be one idea. But, if Omar and company were Republicans agreeing with him, I doubt he would have any issue with them.

If he was a racist against them, he would be against them regardless.

This is like saying you cant be sexist if you like SOME women

You can't argue someone dictates their views around a single characteristic then pick and choose when to use the argument or not. You either think they do or you don't.

I think people have forgotten what actual racism is.

Abraham Lincoln who was the President who freed the slaves was undoubtedly more racist than Donald Trump. (Not that it means much because of the times and because we have not actually seen anything that points to racism by Donald Trump in reality). But, I doubt people would sit here and argue Abraham Lincoln as a racist, despite the documented fact from his own letters that he felt Black people as a whole were inferior human beings.
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No, most people acknowledge he was a racist. They just think his greater feats outweigh his inherent racism.
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Corrik7 posted...

because we have not actually seen anything that points to racism by Donald Trump in reality

Just stop.
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TheRock1525 posted...

No, most people acknowledge he was a racist. They just think his greater feats outweigh his inherent racism.

And this speaks to exactly my point.

You have an actual racist that you ignore his racism because "his great feats outweigh his racism" (aka he did something I agree with), and you have someone who doesn't appear to be racist with his actions and views but he is blasted repeatedly by you all because you do not agree with his views and actions (and every comment possible is twisted to make it seem like it has to be a racist one).

Like, if you seriously have to take comments certain ways and twist them to say they are racist. They probably aren't.

If Trump said for a German man whose parents immigrated here 50 years ago to go back to your own country if they say burned a flag or were trying to undermine his policy / attacking him non-stop. No one would bat an eye and call it racist.

It is pretty much super easy to determine racism by just swapping races and seeing if it would be racist in turn. If it doesn't pass that test, it very likely isn't racist.
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Corrik7 posted...

You have an actual racist that you ignore his racism

No one ignores his racism. When you ask someone "was Lincoln racist" 90% of people that aren't ignorant are gonna say yes. We're also not gonna hold a long dead 1860's president to the same standard as our current one.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

You have an actual racist that you ignore his racism

No one ignores his racism. When you ask someone "was Lincoln racist" 90% of people that aren't ignorant are gonna say yes. We're also not gonna hold a long dead 1860's president to the same standard as our current one.

And, you shouldn't hold him to the same standard. Yet, you do when it is convenient?

I said slave owners and America as a whole shouldn't be judged as terrible people because they were racist because it was indoctrinated their entire lives and most didn't even know they were doing something that was wrong. And, I was counter argued they were terrible people because they were racist.

Yinz decided to hold to the standard of today when judging them yet...

I mean, this is going to get circular, but basically, you are picking and choosing when to use this label and when to argue against this issue.

If you disagree, then so be it. We won't see eye to eye on it.
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The fuck are you even rambling about?

And no we can absolutely judge slave owners as shitty people. Indoctrinated racism is still racism. It's not picking and choosing, all slave ownership and all racism is worthy of condemnation.
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So Abraham Lincoln was a shitty person then?

I dunno. I feel you aren't staying consistent. I am not going to argue this in a circle for 50 posts though. I disagree with you.
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Jakyl25 posted...

This is like saying you cant be sexist if you like SOME women

this is EXACTLY the argument muffin was using in vlado's topic, for the record.

apparently omar had said "well if i would wear a MAGA hat trump wouldn't have a problem with me" and muffin literally went "AHA! SHE'S SAYING TRUMP LIKES WOMEN WITH MAGA HATS SO THERE'S NO WAY HE CAN BE SEXIST! WHAT A SELF-OWN!"
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oh my fucking god arguments with corrik about trump not being a racist are worse than all of my arguments with red sox combined
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Corrik is completely ignorant (And completely refuses to learn or make any efforts to correct this), completely lacking in empathy, and is hiding his own racist tendencies behind a guise of (willful) ignorance so that, by not acknowledging those tendencies in others, he can avoid acknowledging them in himself.

No reason to acknowledge him or deal with him. Even reading his posts is doing yourself a massive disservice at this point.

what bothers me most about that little debate with corrik is not that he dismisses/sugarcoats trump's racism (annoying as fuck, yes, but we've seen it many times before) but that he claims that WE all accuse trump of being a racist because we "do not agree with his views and actions." as if we don't actually give a crap about racism and we're just a bunch of petulant children who immediately throw words like "racist" around just because we disagree with trump's opinions on healthcare or something.

while he gives trump the benefit of the doubt again and again and again, he's being an extremely condescending, passive-aggressive asshole to this topic's regulars.
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Corrik posted...

It is pretty much super easy to determine racism by just swapping races and seeing if it would be racist in turn. If it doesn't pass that test, it very likely isn't racist.

I feel like this is a very poor litmus test. Context matters.

A white man calling a black man boy has a completely different context than a white man calling another white man boy, and yet the former would pass your test as probably not racist.

A black man calling another black man the n-word has a hugely different context than a white man calling a black man the n-word, and yet the latter would pass your test as probably not racist.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

It is pretty much super easy to determine racism by just swapping races and seeing if it would be racist in turn. If it doesn't pass that test, it very likely isn't racist.

I feel like this is a very poor litmus test. Context matters.

A white man calling a black man boy has a completely different context than a white man calling another white man boy, and yet the former would pass your test as probably not racist.

A black man calling another black man the n-word has a hugely different context than a white man calling a black man the n-word, and yet the latter would pass your test as probably not racist.

I am referring to when races are in the sentence. And, I said likely as well.

Like if you say "white people shouldn't be allowed to vote", which is almost a direct quote from another website.

This is clearly racist. Though these same people will argue that you cannot be racist against White people (majority) which is laughable and a topic for another day.

If you were unsure this was racist, would it be racist if it was "Black people shouldn't be allowed to vote". Yes. If swapped to any specific race it is racist.

Very easy.
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If you were referring to when races are in the sentence, why did the example you originally used to support your point not use races in the sentence at all?

Corrik7 posted...

If Trump said for a German man whose parents immigrated here 50 years ago to go back to your own country if they say burned a flag or were trying to undermine his policy / attacking him non-stop. No one would bat an eye and call it racist..

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

what bothers me most about that little debate with corrik is not that he dismisses/sugarcoats trump's racism (annoying as fuck, yes, but we've seen it many times before) but that he claims that WE all accuse trump of being a racist because we "do not agree with his views and actions." as if we don't actually give a crap about racism and we're just a bunch of petulant children who immediately throw words like "racist" around just because we disagree with trump's opinions on healthcare or something.

while he gives trump the benefit of the doubt again and again and again, he's being an extremely condescending, passive-aggressive asshole to this topic's regulars.

I am not passive-aggressive at all. Though you have a somewhat valid argument. You do eat your own a lot when in similar situations. However, after awhile you seem to let it be water under the bridge and lose steam against Democrats or are willing to forgive them. Trump is literally complained about almost no matter what he does all day. Which to be fair, Obama was also by conservatives. Are you that much different than the conservatives in that regard?

Was Hillary a racist? Was she anti-LGBT?

I saw someone when I referenced Hillary was anti gay marriage / for DOMA previously that they don't hold it against their because everyone was against it then and it was political suicide not to be. She wasn't woke yet (if she ever actually was).

How is this not different than discussion with TheRock above about people being terrible people generations prior when things were different also?

I just do not think your arguments remain consistent. And, when called out on that inconsistency it is just "STRAWMAN" deflections.
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Jakyl25 posted...

If you were referring to when races are in the sentence, why did the example you originally used to support your point not use races in the sentence at all?

Corrik7 posted...

If Trump said for a German man whose parents immigrated here 50 years ago to go back to your own country if they say burned a flag or were trying to undermine his policy / attacking him non-stop. No one would bat an eye and call it racist..

German. If Omar was German and AOC was Swedish, would anyone call his comments racist? All we did was swap the races. The answer is no.
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...are you kidding, Corrik?

A ton of anti-Hillary Dems constantly complained about Hillary being homophobic because she signed on with gay marriage so late. And they constantly bring up the whole super-predator thing as well.
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But he still wouldnt be using races in the sentence.
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Inviso posted...

...are you kidding, Corrik?

A ton of anti-Hillary Dems constantly complained about Hillary being homophobic because she signed on with gay marriage so late. And they constantly bring up the whole super-predator thing as well.

The colored peoples time skit as well
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Inviso posted...

...are you kidding, Corrik?

A ton of anti-Hillary Dems constantly complained about Hillary being homophobic because she signed on with gay marriage so late. And they constantly bring up the whole super-predator thing as well.

Anti-Hillary Dems. 60 some million voted for Hillary, however. I think it is safe to say that the Dems didn't think Hillary was a homophobe or a racist enough to not support her. Hell, not even enough to not give her the nomination of your party.

The fact is, many handwaved Clinton's comments regarding LGBT matters as a matter of the time. Which I think is FAIR. But, I apply that consistency across the board. I think some of you pick and choose at times.
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If Trump said "go back to where you came from" to a congressman who emigrated from Germany, then yes it would be racist.
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pyresword posted...

If Trump said "go back to where you came from" to a congressman who emigrated from Germany, then yes it would be racist.

I rather doubt this would be the reaction in that scenario, but if it would be for you, then kudos for remaining consistent in your beliefs.
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Inviso posted...

...are you kidding, Corrik?

A ton of anti-Hillary Dems constantly complained about Hillary being homophobic because she signed on with gay marriage so late. And they constantly bring up the whole super-predator thing as well.

Also DOMA was like two decades ago.

Trumps tweet/SEND HER HOME was like two days ago
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I will say that liberals frequently conflate race, religion, and culture. These are 3 distinct and different things, not one and the same thing. This is probably because liberals refuse to acknowledge religious choice and therefore see religion as nothing more than a byproduct of one's cultural heritage. And they also equate that with race, again refusing to acknowledge differences in individual experiences and individual choice.
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