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ChaosTonyV4
07/20/19 3:11:03 PM
#201:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Arguing that anyone who is of Mexican descent would have a conflict of interest and could not be fair judges of a case against Trump is pretty bigoted.

The left does this constantly with Jews vis-a-vis Israel


Not sure what you mean? Like they say that no Jewish judge could be impartial in a case involving Israel? That would be equally bigoted but how many court cases are there in the US against Israel?

Jewish congressmen


The left tries to argue that Jewish congressmen shouldnt be involved in legislation that references Israel? Thats pretty fucked up if true.

CONSTANTLY dude. You're just willfully ignoring "bigotry" if you don't want to look for these examples.


I have literally, and I mean literally, never seen this argument. Ever.
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kevwaffles
07/20/19 3:11:38 PM
#202:


[citation needed]

I could keep arguing semantics, but instead I'm going to wait for an example* before humoring this conversation any further.

*name drops by themselves are not examples
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Nelson_Mandela
07/20/19 3:12:59 PM
#203:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Arguing that anyone who is of Mexican descent would have a conflict of interest and could not be fair judges of a case against Trump is pretty bigoted.

The left does this constantly with Jews vis-a-vis Israel


Not sure what you mean? Like they say that no Jewish judge could be impartial in a case involving Israel? That would be equally bigoted but how many court cases are there in the US against Israel?

Jewish congressmen


The left tries to argue that Jewish congressmen shouldnt be involved in legislation that references Israel? Thats pretty fucked up if true.

CONSTANTLY dude. You're just willfully ignoring "bigotry" if you don't want to look for these examples.


I have literally, and I mean literally, never seen this argument. Ever.

Maybe because you only read left leaning sources. I suggest listening to Ben Shapiro's podcast. He's very Jew defensive.
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Jakyl25
07/20/19 3:15:51 PM
#204:


Ben Shapiro is pretty dumb though
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Corrik7
07/20/19 3:16:55 PM
#205:


Never heard what you are talking about, Seph.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/20/19 3:16:58 PM
#206:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Maybe because you only read left leaning sources. I suggest listening to Ben Shapiro's podcast. He's very Jew defensive.


Youre the one telling me then Left is constantly saying this.

Why do I have to listen to Ben Shapino to hear something the Left is supposedly always saying?
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Nelson_Mandela
07/20/19 3:17:27 PM
#207:


*cites Ilhan omar literally claiming that (Democratic!) Jewish Congress members have a dual loyalty to Israel

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1102296763292139520?s=19
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red sox 777
07/20/19 3:18:21 PM
#208:


Basically, the conclusion we must draw is that liberals are intolerant. Not just not tolerant in the sense of failing to take active steps to tolerate others but openly intolerant and oppressive of people who are different from themselves.
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kevwaffles
07/20/19 3:18:36 PM
#209:


kevwaffles posted...
*name drops by themselves are not examples

Nelson_Mandela posted...
I suggest listening to Ben Shapiro's podcast.

not the onion
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Jakyl25
07/20/19 3:19:32 PM
#210:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
*cites Ilhan omar literally claiming that (Democratic!) Jewish Congress members have a dual loyalty to Israel

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1102296763292139520?s=19


Thats not what shes saying AT ALL in that tweet
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red sox 777
07/20/19 3:20:50 PM
#211:


Also, Judge Jeanine on Fox News is Lebanese. This is obviously all about religion, not race or ethnicity.
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MoogleKupo141
07/20/19 3:21:23 PM
#212:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
*cites Ilhan omar literally claiming that (Democratic!) Jewish Congress members have a dual loyalty to Israel

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1102296763292139520?s=19


I dont see her mention Jewish in there... I take it as suggesting that theres expectation for all congress people to have a dual loyalty to Israel, not just Jews
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kevwaffles
07/20/19 3:22:37 PM
#213:


kevwaffles posted...
I believe he's talking about being critical of Israel being equated with anti-Semitism, despite that literally not being anywhere near the same thing.

kevwaffles posted...
I'm operating under the assumption that he's implying something that's incredibly wrong though. He's free to clarify otherwise.

Just for the record, I nailed this one.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/20/19 3:34:04 PM
#214:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
*cites Ilhan omar literally claiming that (Democratic!) Jewish Congress members have a dual loyalty to Israel

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1102296763292139520?s=19


I dont see her mention Jewish in there... I take it as suggesting that theres expectation for all congress people to have a dual loyalty to Israel, not just Jews

The person she quoted is Jewish

But interesting how you're reading this in the way corrik reads Trump quotes
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Nelson_Mandela
07/20/19 3:35:50 PM
#215:


I guess Trump is just not as good as masking his subtext, if that's how you want to read him
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MoogleKupo141
07/20/19 3:37:52 PM
#216:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
*cites Ilhan omar literally claiming that (Democratic!) Jewish Congress members have a dual loyalty to Israel

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1102296763292139520?s=19


I dont see her mention Jewish in there... I take it as suggesting that theres expectation for all congress people to have a dual loyalty to Israel, not just Jews

The person she quoted is Jewish

But interesting how you're reading this in the way corrik reads Trump quotes


but the tweet isnt about the person shes quoting so I dont think thats relevant
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kevwaffles
07/20/19 3:38:54 PM
#217:


Please quote a/some sentence(s) in those tweets where she says the thing you claim she says.
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red sox 777
07/20/19 3:42:42 PM
#218:


Virginia Democrats have announced they want to "Send Him Back" if President Trump shows up to an event celebrating the 400th anniversary of representative democracy in Virginia. Well, maybe Trump shouldn't attend their celebration - let's remember the colony of Virginia was founded by a corporation with a crown charter (government serving business) for the purpose of making a profit. That greed led to the deaths of half the colonists during the first winter and to heavy use of indentured servants and slaves to plant addictive tobacco which must have given many people lung cancer. Trump should let the Democrats have their shameful celebration to themselves!
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Nelson_Mandela
07/20/19 3:42:45 PM
#219:


This is as hopeless as convincing the_donald that some of his statements are insensitive at best
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kevwaffles
07/20/19 3:47:15 PM
#220:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
This is as hopeless as convincing the_donald that some of his statements are insensitive at best

I'll agree that an incorrect talking point based on statements you misinterpreted at best or flat out made up at worst would be pretty hopeless for you.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/20/19 3:53:16 PM
#221:


Setting aside that you asserted "The Left constantly claims Jews can't support legislation on Israel" and that this Ilhan Omar tweet is...not that.

Is there a trope about dual loyalty and Israel that I'm missing? I don't get why anyone saying "I shouldn't have to support Israel to support America" could possibly be anti-semetic. What happened to #AmericaFirst?
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pyresword
07/20/19 4:00:08 PM
#222:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Is there a trope about dual loyalty and Israel that I'm missing?

I had never heard of this either for the record, though Google suggests the answer is yes.
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Corrik7
07/20/19 4:01:38 PM
#223:


red sox 777 posted...
Virginia Democrats have announced they want to "Send Him Back" if President Trump shows up to an event celebrating the 400th anniversary of representative democracy in Virginia. Well, maybe Trump shouldn't attend their celebration - let's remember the colony of Virginia was founded by a corporation with a crown charter (government serving business) for the purpose of making a profit. That greed led to the deaths of half the colonists during the first winter and to heavy use of indentured servants and slaves to plant addictive tobacco which must have given many people lung cancer. Trump should let the Democrats have their shameful celebration to themselves!

Kamala Harris also said she wants to send Trump back to where he came from also.
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Corrik7
07/20/19 4:07:23 PM
#224:


https://www.foxnews.com/world/hungary-backs-trump-on-asylum-crackdown-as-it-touts-its-own-border-success

Interesting article. We can. Never obtain 0 illegal immigration as they claim they have since we have sea borders, but it is encouraging.
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Kenri
07/20/19 4:11:57 PM
#225:


Yeah both Jewish and Catholic people were (and still are) unfairly accused of having dual loyalties. But the attacks come from both sides of the aisle, and it's worth noting that it doesn't happen to Protestants for some odd reason.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/20/19 4:12:45 PM
#226:


Kenri posted...
it's worth noting that it doesn't happen to Protestants for some odd reason.

Decentralized authority
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red sox 777
07/20/19 4:40:58 PM
#227:


Dear Democrats, this rhetoric of "send her back" is dangerous and could lead to minorities getting deported or jailed or lynched. President Trump has denounced it. Don't fan the flames by using it.
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Jakyl25
07/20/19 5:11:25 PM
#228:


Corrik7 posted...
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hungary-backs-trump-on-asylum-crackdown-as-it-touts-its-own-border-success

Interesting article. We can. Never obtain 0 illegal immigration as they claim they have since we have sea borders, but it is encouraging.


You know how we can have 0 illegal immigration?

Open borders
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Corrik7
07/20/19 5:18:15 PM
#229:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hungary-backs-trump-on-asylum-crackdown-as-it-touts-its-own-border-success

Interesting article. We can. Never obtain 0 illegal immigration as they claim they have since we have sea borders, but it is encouraging.


You know how we can have 0 illegal immigration?

Open borders

*Sigh*
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Corrik7
07/20/19 6:00:58 PM
#230:


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/04/01/kyrsten-sinema-tom-
ohalleran-side-donald-trump-more-often-than-some-republicans/471206002/

https://www.azmirror.com/2019/06/14/sinema-splits-with-democrats-to-confirm-top-trump-appointees/

"As she continues to buck her party in Washington, Sinema is facing friendly fire back home from Arizona progressives.

We like Kyrsten. We just want her to vote like a Democrat, said Dan ONeal, Arizona State Coordinator for Progressive Democrats of America. Its a pretty simple request.'
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Suprak the Stud
07/20/19 6:08:39 PM
#231:


Sinema won Arizona promising to be a Joe Manchin style of Democrat so that guy feigning surprise seems silly.

She voted with Trump 60% of the time as a house member. None of this is a surprise and its one of the reasons she flipped Arizona.

We need another 10 years or so to get a really blue seat from that state imho. Coming soon but not ready yet.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/20/19 6:09:27 PM
#232:


From your link:

https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/116/senate

Pretty telling that Republicans rarely break with their party. Says a lot about the lack of diversity of thought.

Interestingly, Kamala Harris is listed as voting against Dems 29% on this list, but the article lists Sinema (~26%) and Manchin as the top 2 breaking Dems? Whats that about?
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Corrik7
07/20/19 6:28:37 PM
#233:


I assume an oversight in the article.
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Nrrr
07/20/19 6:30:39 PM
#234:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

People assume Trump is a racist, bigot, etc because of a culmination of his public record of decades of behavior that shows he harbors such attitudes, not just one comment. And he is. And anyone who suggests otherwise is worthless to take into account, ever.
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Corrik7
07/20/19 6:42:01 PM
#235:


Nrrr posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

People assume Trump is a racist, bigot, etc because of a culmination of his public record of decades of behavior that shows he harbors such attitudes, not just one comment. And he is. And anyone who suggests otherwise is worthless to take into account, ever.

"He became close to Mike Tyson because Donald and Don King were trying to arrange heavyweight fights in Atlantic City, to draw high rollers to the casinos. It wasnt because he was fond of black athletes. It was because black boxers were good for his business."

Pretty much the only thing I needed to see and probably the story of Trump's life.

He seems to view random public people by their monetary value to his life for the most part all, and he has no qualms at slinging mud in any ways he can that he feels helps him somehow.

Doesn't seem bent on race.
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Leafeon13N
07/20/19 6:48:06 PM
#236:


Corrik7 posted...

He seems to view random public people by their monetary value to his life for the most part all, and he has no qualms at slinging mud in any ways he can that he feels helps him somehow.

Doesn't seem bent on race.


He uses racism to sling that mud.

That literally makes him a racist.
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Nrrr
07/20/19 7:00:16 PM
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Grimlyn
07/20/19 7:02:22 PM
#238:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Interestingly, Kamala Harris is listed as voting against Dems 29% on this list, but the article lists Sinema (~26%) and Manchin as the top 2 breaking Dems? Whats that about?

A reminder that the Democratic party is centrist, so a senator may disagree with the party when the party at large is to the right (siding with Republicans). These disagreements aren't decisive since they are a minority of left votes in the senate. You'll notice that more obviously left of center dems (or presidential candidates that want to look good to the base) also have high disagreement rates like Harris.

Manchin et al disagreements are actually deciding votes for the right.

*edit* summing better, progressive disagreements aren't "breaking" anything because they aren't ceding victory from Dems, they're just a dissenting voice.
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Corrik7
07/20/19 7:04:30 PM
#239:


When has Manchin EVER been a deciding vote? If his vote was a deciding vote, he would vote Dem. Probably same for Sinema. They are calculated breaks.
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Jakyl25
07/20/19 7:50:08 PM
#240:


https://twitter.com/nro/status/1152542043467603968?s=21

No One Really Wants to Send Her Back natl.io/r8fvjL via @AndrewCMcCarthy


https://twitter.com/hbomberguy/status/1152714940307976192?s=21

lol at everyone in the replies like 'no we really do'

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ChaosTonyV4
07/20/19 8:26:47 PM
#241:


https://news.gallup.com/poll/260801/biden-sanders-best-images-among-democrats.aspx

Bernies #1, baby
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MoogleKupo141
07/20/19 8:35:32 PM
#242:


lol DeBlasio
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Ashethan
07/20/19 8:52:51 PM
#243:


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-lies-congresswomen-evil-jews-212113786.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index

Trump spreads more lies about the congresswomen.

...He's really trying to get them killed, isn't he? Like he's legit doing his best to convince his followers to murder these women.
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Reg
07/20/19 9:02:45 PM
#244:


Ashethan posted...
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-lies-congresswomen-evil-jews-212113786.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index

Trump spreads more lies about the congresswomen.

...He's really trying to get them killed, isn't he? Like he's legit doing his best to convince his followers to murder these women.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism
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LordoftheMorons
07/20/19 9:06:22 PM
#245:


Remember the Trump supporter that sent bombs to a ton of Trump's "enemies" and how all of the Republicans (and some of the mainstream media) claimed it was absolutely absurd to say that Trump's hatemongering might mean that he shared any of the blame?
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Nrrr
07/20/19 9:56:53 PM
#246:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Remember the Trump supporter that sent bombs to a ton of Trump's "enemies" and how all of the Republicans (and some of the mainstream media) claimed it was absolutely absurd to say that Trump's hatemongering might mean that he shared any of the blame?


Or the fact that basically every single right wing terrorist the last couple years has directly cited Trump as an influence? But the problem is scary milkshake wielding antifa
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LordoftheMorons
07/20/19 10:46:05 PM
#247:


Relevant 50 year old op-ed:
https://twitter.com/heidistevens13/status/1152358901813325824?s=21
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Leafeon13N
07/20/19 10:55:34 PM
#248:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/nro/status/1152542043467603968?s=21

No One Really Wants to Send Her Back natl.io/r8fvjL via @AndrewCMcCarthy


https://twitter.com/hbomberguy/status/1152714940307976192?s=21

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Twitter literally helping destroy the world here.
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Jakyl25
07/21/19 11:34:25 AM
#249:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1152912995938443269?s=21

I dont believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said. They are destroying the Democrat Party, but are weak & insecure people who can never destroy our great Nation!


To emphasize Omars point about the expectation of dual loyalty from ALL Congressmen, heres the President asking her to apologize to Israel.
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pyresword
07/21/19 11:52:36 AM
#250:


Jakyl25 posted...
To emphasize Omars point about the expectation of dual loyalty from ALL Congressmen, heres the President asking her to apologize to Israel.

That's a really shitty statement but this isn't the reason why it's shitty. I don't think being expected to apologize for needlessly hateful rhetoric is unreasonable. The potential issue is here is whether or not the rhetoric was "needlessly hateful", and also that it's pretty terrible to belittle congress members by implying that they aren't capable of loving their own country.

But like, I think Trump should apologize for the shitty things he's said about the United Kingdom. That doesn't mean I expect him to maintain any kind of dual loyalty with them.
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