Poll of the Day > Today marks two years of veganism

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Doctor Foxx posted...

There's vegan cheese everywhere now as well as vegan ice cream galore. Ben and Jerry's been on that for ages

I doubt vegan ice cream tastes as good as the real stuff.
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Revelation34 posted...

I doubt vegan ice cream tastes as good as the real stuff.

It is as good, I ate it before I went vegan because of lactose intolerance. My dairy-eating friends also like it a lot

Some of the B&J flavors in the vegan line are better. PB&Cookie is my fave

The cookie shop across the street serves vegan soft serve (and vegan cookies)

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The fellow I went out with tonight said he hadn't had pizza in 4 years (!!!) because he doesn't like Daiya shreds (I agree they are kinda gross). He gave up on the commercial vegan cheese at most places.

We shared a couple pizzas, and split cheesecake and gelato. I'm still comfortably full

That pizza blew his mind/ He has only been to one other vegan place in town so I might have to show him the choice spots

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Revelation34 posted...

I doubt vegan ice cream tastes as good as the real stuff.

It is as good, I ate it before I went vegan because of lactose intolerance. My dairy-eating friends also like it a lot

Some of the B&J flavors in the vegan line are better. PB&Cookie is my fave

The cookie shop across the street serves vegan soft serve (and vegan cookies)

I said as good. I never said it couldn't be good either.
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Revelation34 posted...

I said as good. I never said it couldn't be good either.

Having tried significant quantities of both, it is as good

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Trying to look up cheapest vegan ice cream prices and I saw this:

Ringing in just around $6 at most health and grocery stores, its an affordable and clean vegan alternative to those looking to get their ice cream fix!

$6 for a pint? And affordable in the same sentence? I don't think we pay that for a gallon...

ChaosAzeroth posted...

$6 for a pint? And affordable in the same sentence? I don't think we pay that for a gallon...

Everything is relative. Your $6 is someone else's $0.06 and is someone else's $60. Vegans and all-organic eaters are used to paying out a bit extra, depending on the item. A dozen eggs will cost me $4.
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ChaosAzeroth posted...

Trying to look up cheapest vegan ice cream prices and I saw this:

Ringing in just around $6 at most health and grocery stores, its an affordable and clean vegan alternative to those looking to get their ice cream fix!

$6 for a pint? And affordable in the same sentence? I don't think we pay that for a gallon...

I mean you can't find things as cheap as the cheapest dairy ice creams out there because dairy (and the sweetener) is so heavily subsidized by the government. It also lacks the economy of scale at this time.

But you can definitely find less expensive stuff than that. You don't need a health food brand. There's vegan Haagen-Dazs sitting there hanging out at my local 711 for less than that.

One thing I've noticed is store brand vegan ice creams popping up, they're usually a bit cheaper

You can also do what I've done and make your own vegan ice creams

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why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?
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Aculo posted...

why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?

Why are non-vegans never able to just let it go? Why do they insist on becoming upset over vegans talking about their lifestyle?

Totally playing devil's advocate here, btw, ok?
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GanglyKhan posted...

Aculo posted...

why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?

Why are non-vegans never able to just let it go? Why do they insist on becoming upset over vegans talking about their lifestyle?

Totally playing devil's advocate here, btw, ok?

Because it usually feels like theyre trying to tell us that we shouldnt eat meat. Or that were the bad guys for not being vegan. And some even try to do whatever they can to make us vegan when we dont want to. Or think because it was easy for them that its easy for everybody else. Or think that others bodies will work in basically the same way. Or say that were bad people for just not wanting to go vegan. And some get mad that some of us dont like the vegan substitutes. This isnt every vegan, but some. So, some stuff like that, I guess...
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GanglyKhan posted...

Aculo posted...

why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?

Why are non-vegans never able to just let it go? Why do they insist on becoming upset over vegans talking about their lifestyle?

Totally playing devil's advocate here, btw, ok?

that's fine. my reasoning, especially living in such a liberal place like austin, it gets tiring. it's a topic that our few vegan friends insist on talking about every time we see them. it's almost become their identity as people, and it gets lame hearing the same thing over and over again, ok?

i don't tell people about my eating habits, which i'd argue is even more healthy than most vegans, but i keep that shit to myself, because i generally don't want to irritate others, ok?
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LinkPizza posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Aculo posted...

why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?

Why are non-vegans never able to just let it go? Why do they insist on becoming upset over vegans talking about their lifestyle?

Totally playing devil's advocate here, btw, ok?

Because it usually feels like theyre trying to tell us that we shouldnt eat meat. Or that were the bad guys for not being vegan. And some even try to do whatever they can to make us vegan when we dont want to. Or think because it was easy for them that its easy for everybody else. Or think that others bodies will work in basically the same way. Or say that were bad people for just not wanting to go vegan. And some get mad that some of us dont like the vegan substitutes. This isnt every vegan, but some. So, some stuff like that, I guess...

wrong, incorrect, none of those things, ok?

at least not for me, i can't speak for everyone, ok?
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Im currently munching on a 2 foot pepperoni stick while I wait for chicken to thaw

JoseAAV posted...

Im currently munching on a 2 foot pepperoni stick while I wait for chicken to thaw

I have a bunch of slices at home. I like to snack on them sometimes...
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Aculo posted...

i generally don't want to irritate others

Aculo posted...

ok?

Aculo posted...

ok?

Aculo posted...

ok?

Aculo posted...

ok?

Yea right
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Aculo posted...

that's fine. my reasoning, especially living in such a liberal place like austin, it gets tiring. it's a topic that our few vegan friends insist on talking about every time we see them. it's almost become their identity as people, and it gets lame hearing the same thing over and over again, ok?

i don't tell people about my eating habits, which i'd argue is even more healthy than most vegans, but i keep that shit to myself, because i generally don't want to irritate others, ok?

Sounds like a very reasonable answer. I don't much like people who get wrapped up in identity like that to begin with, so I see where you're coming from. Now when vegan people talk about veganism because someone invites them to a BBQ or stuff like that, I feel it's relevant and justified. But when me, a low meat dieter, sees my co-worker eating beef, I don't launch into a tirade about their colon health.
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Aculo posted...

why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?

I'm happy with my decision. I honestly wish I knew more open vegans sooner so I would have considered the change sooner.

Key thing is veganism is a philosophy and way of living, and while that does impact your diet, if you're perceiving it strictly as a diet it is not going to make sense

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is dr pepper vegan?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

I honestly wish I knew more open vegans sooner so I would have considered the change sooner.

Same here.

final_lap posted...

Same here.

With that in mind I will gladly talk about veganism to anyone that wants to learn more about it, and I'm happy to share my food

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GanglyKhan posted...

Sounds like a very reasonable answer. I don't much like people who get wrapped up in identity like that to begin with, so I see where you're coming from. Now when vegan people talk about veganism because someone invites them to a BBQ or stuff like that, I feel it's relevant and justified. But when me, a low meat dieter, sees my co-worker eating beef, I don't launch into a tirade about their colon health.

How would it be justified even there? "I'm vegan" "Oh sorry I didn't know. That's all that would be needed.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

final_lap posted...

Same here.

With that in mind I will gladly talk about veganism to anyone that wants to learn more about it, and I'm happy to share my food

oi :(
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Vegans wont eat powdered sugar because its made from ground up ghosts

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Aculo posted...

why are vegans never satisfied just enjoying their lifestyle? why do they insist on rubbing their veganism in everyone's faces?

I'm happy with my decision. I honestly wish I knew more open vegans sooner so I would have considered the change sooner.

Key thing is veganism is a philosophy and way of living, and while that does impact your diet, if you're perceiving it strictly as a diet it is not going to make sense

way to not answer the question, whatsoever, ok?

i even called it a lifestyle in the text you quoted. you didn't answer the question, ok?

here, let me be more clear. why must you people insist on being so obnoxious about you lifestyle?
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Revelation34 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Sounds like a very reasonable answer. I don't much like people who get wrapped up in identity like that to begin with, so I see where you're coming from. Now when vegan people talk about veganism because someone invites them to a BBQ or stuff like that, I feel it's relevant and justified. But when me, a low meat dieter, sees my co-worker eating beef, I don't launch into a tirade about their colon health.

How would it be justified even there? "I'm vegan" "Oh sorry I didn't know. That's all that would be needed.

exactly. but it can never be that way with these people, ok?

they want you to know, they need you to know. if you don't know, their lifestyle choice isn't validated, and they need that validation. you know why? because everything else in their life is empty, ok?
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Aculo posted...

way to not answer the question, whatsoever, ok?

i even called it a lifestyle in the text you quoted. you didn't answer the question, ok?

here, let me be more clear. why must you people insist on being so obnoxious about you lifestyle?

You have a demonstrated problem with a lot of different lifestyles so it doesn't really matter why anyone decides to do or not do those things

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Aculo posted...

way to not answer the question, whatsoever, ok?

i even called it a lifestyle in the text you quoted. you didn't answer the question, ok?

here, let me be more clear. why must you people insist on being so obnoxious about you lifestyle?

You have a demonstrated problem with a lot of different lifestyles so it doesn't really matter why anyone decides to do or not do those things

oh look, another non-answer, ok?
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Havent tried a beyond burger but I guess I know what Im having for lunch, thanks foxx!

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Aculo posted...

exactly. but it can never be that way with these people, ok?

they want you to know, they need you to know. if you don't know, their lifestyle choice isn't validated, and they need that validation. you know why? because everything else in their life is empty, ok?

I want people to know there are more vegans out there so they can understand that living as a vegan is easy and there's support

Something like that would have made it much easier for me to consider and apply changes that reflected my morals. If you don't understand why a vegan would be motivated to advocate for that lifestyle and get others to consider it...

If your life goes outside the norm it's helpful to know others are out there. This applies to anything.

Mead posted...

Havent tried a beyond burger but I guess I know what Im having for lunch, thanks foxx!

No problem, I hope you enjoy it

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Doctor Foxx posted...

living as a vegan is easy and there's support

It's so easy there's support offered?

Doctor Foxx posted...

Something like that would have made it much easier for me to consider and apply changes that reflected my morals. If you don't understand why a vegan would be motivated to advocate for that lifestyle and get others to consider it...

A person of such moral concerns will naturally fall in to veganism, and those who aren't so afflicted have no need of veganism. Your voice is not needed, it's primarily belligerent.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

If your life goes outside the norm it's helpful to know others are out there. This applies to anything.

Only if you have no sense of individuality.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's so easy there's support offered?

It's not easy to go so hard against ingrained cultural norms, and it can be downright alienating to remove yourself from some things. Support does help. There's nothing hard about being vegan. It's dealing with hostility.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A person of such moral concerns will naturally fall in to veganism, and those who aren't so afflicted have no need of veganism. Your voice is not needed, it's primarily belligerent.

Like that

Choosing nonviolence and advocacy for victims is not belligerant

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what victims?

chickens?
cows?
pigs?

big whoop
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Aculo posted...

exactly. but it can never be that way with these people, ok?

they want you to know, they need you to know. if you don't know, their lifestyle choice isn't validated, and they need that validation. you know why? because everything else in their life is empty, ok?

I want people to know there are more vegans out there so they can understand that living as a vegan is easy and there's support

Something like that would have made it much easier for me to consider and apply changes that reflected my morals. If you don't understand why a vegan would be motivated to advocate for that lifestyle and get others to consider it...

If your life goes outside the norm it's helpful to know others are out there. This applies to anything.

I don't think there's a problem with sharing it. Maybe it's oversharing. Like Revelation said, all it takes is someone saying, "I'm not vegan." and then you could say, "Oh. Sorry." or "Ok."

Doctor Foxx posted...

Mead posted...

Havent tried a beyond burger but I guess I know what Im having for lunch, thanks foxx!

No problem, I hope you enjoy it

I would go because I like free food. But there isn't one close...
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Doctor Foxx posted...

I want people to know there are more vegans out there so they can understand that living as a vegan is easy and there's support

oh god, get over yourself, ok?

also, in what universe are vegans quiet about being vegan?
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

what victims?

chickens?
cows?
pigs?

big whoop

They're feeling beings as well

But really it's damaging to the people that have to work in the industry (which exploits trafficked humans like mad)

https://metro.co.uk/2017/12/31/how-killing-animals-everyday-leaves-slaughterhouse-workers-traumatised-7175087/

Society suffers when you are fine with violence.

Then there's the environment, health, all sorts of things

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/07/true-cost-of-eating-meat-environment-health-animal-welfare

LinkPizza posted...

I don't think there's a problem with sharing it. Maybe it's oversharing. Like Revelation said, all it takes is someone saying, "I'm not vegan." and then you could say, "Oh. Sorry." or "Ok."

That's cool and that's all I'll do if nonvegan people discuss it with me in person (they sometimes bring it up)

But this is also a clearly labelled vegan thread that people are coming into, like I think you'd expect talk about veganism in a topic about veganism. It is on topic here.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

If your life goes outside the norm it's helpful to know others are out there. This applies to anything.

Only if you have no sense of individuality.

You can have individuality, but still get help when something in your life is outside the norm. It does help... Though, if the person says they're not vegan, they shouldn't keep going on about it...
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Doctor Foxx posted...

There's nothing hard about being vegan.

I think that depends on a specific person. To say it's easy because it's easy for you wouldn't be correct...
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Doctor Foxx posted...

But this is also a clearly labelled vegan thread that people are coming into, like I think you'd expect talk about veganism in a topic about veganism. It is on topic here.

I don't think there's anything wrong about talking about it here. I think they more or less mean real life rather than this thread...
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Doctor Foxx posted...

It's not easy to go so hard against ingrained cultural norms, and it can be downright alienating to remove yourself from some things. Support does help. There's nothing hard about being vegan. It's dealing with hostility.

lol Get over yourself, if you didn't try getting high and mighty, nobody would care about your choices.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Choosing nonviolence and advocacy for victims is not belligerant

Note: Foxx calling out the world as choosing violence over her pacifist Buddha mantra.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Society suffers when you are fine with violence.

This is belligerent. Get your flaming off the board.
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Ive met some obnoxious vegans before, but Ive met a lot more people who are obnoxious about their opposition to even the idea of eating less meat

People get so weirdly defensive/aggressive about it

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Mead posted...

Ive met some obnoxious vegans before, but Ive met a lot more people who are obnoxious about their opposition to even the idea of eating less meat

People get so weirdly defensive/aggressive about it

This sums up my feelings on the whole topic prety well. Nicely stated.
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GanglyKhan posted...

Mead posted...

Ive met some obnoxious vegans before, but Ive met a lot more people who are obnoxious about their opposition to even the idea of eating less meat

People get so weirdly defensive/aggressive about it

This sums up my feelings on the whole topic prety well. Nicely stated.

It's not weird to be defensive about people shitting on your food.
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Mead posted...

Ive met some obnoxious vegans before, but Ive met a lot more people who are obnoxious about their opposition to even the idea of eating less meat

People get so weirdly defensive/aggressive about it

the former causes a lot of the latter
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

the former causes a lot of the latter

Not in my experience

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Mead posted...

Ive met some obnoxious vegans before, but Ive met a lot more people who are obnoxious about their opposition to even the idea of eating less meat

People get so weirdly defensive/aggressive about it

People dont like others messing with what they like. Or being told theyre wrong because of why they like/want to eat. Vegan or not...

Mead posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

the former causes a lot of the latter

Not in my experience

I think I agree with Kirby. When being Vegetarian or Vegan wasnt a big thing, nobody really cares about people not wanting a lot of meat. But when it became a big thing and people were trying to get others to stop eating meat, people got more defensive of their food. At least, thats how it seems.
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LinkPizza posted...

I think I agree with Kirby. When being Vegetarian or Vegan wasnt a big thing, nobody really cares about people not wanting a lot of meat. But when it became a big thing and people were trying to get others to stop eating meat, people got more defensive of their food. At least, thats how it seems.

People are being made more aware about the reality of the source of their food and it is upsetting for a lot of people

That's not on any vegetarian. People hold on to bad feelings that come from knowing what they support, not because of any baseless comment from a stranger.

IMO speaking up and advocating for saving lives and the planet comes before ignoring the issue to spare feelings and self examination. You can disagree

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Doctor Foxx posted...

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"You just have to buy a large drink."

Doctor Foxx posted...

advocacy for victims

LMAO.

GanglyKhan posted...

This sums up my feelings on the whole topic prety well. Nicely stated.

Except you ignored how your comment earlier would be related to somebody being obnoxious about veganism.
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