Poll of the Day > Today marks two years of veganism

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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 1:11:36 AM
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Started just trying for a month and it was easy to keep up
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LinkPizza
07/08/19 1:14:19 AM
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Nothing important happened for me today... But 5 days ago marked the 21st year of my brother being alive...
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TheWitchMorgana
07/08/19 1:14:59 AM
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lol, veganism. i only eat big macs and fried chicken. my diet is very good
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SpeedDemon20
07/08/19 1:16:45 AM
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Congrats, Foxx!
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AllstarSniper32
07/08/19 1:23:36 AM
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I really need to do healthy eating. But for right now, Imma go get some bad for me food!
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dragon504
07/08/19 1:25:34 AM
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Couldn't go for it. Maybe a higher veggie intake, but cutting it all out isn't something I'd do. Why you go vegan and not vegetarian? Eggs are too useful in cooking/baking imo.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 1:28:52 AM
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dragon504 posted...
Couldn't go for it. Maybe a higher veggie intake, but cutting it all out isn't something I'd do. Why you go vegan and not vegetarian? Eggs are too useful in cooking/baking imo.

Eggs are easy to substitute in baking and cooking those were the things I missed the most initially but I don't even think about it now

Byproducts support the same industry, require the same exploitation, and contribute to the same environmental damage. Supporting some of it despite opposition to those things didn't make sense

LinkPizza posted...
Nothing important happened for me today... But 5 days ago marked the 21st year of my brother being alive...

A belated happy birthday to your brother!
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 1:33:07 AM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
lol, veganism. i only eat big macs and fried chicken. my diet is very good

The best, a tremendous diet

SpeedDemon20 posted...
Congrats, Foxx!

Thanks! It's only getting easier
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KeijiMaedaTiger
07/08/19 1:42:56 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Byproducts support the same industry, require the same exploitation, and contribute to the same environmental damage. Supporting some of it despite opposition to those things didn't make sense


Would not go vegan or vegetarian myself. But I do source local meats and have my own chickens to reduce impact. If you don't already make sure you go with local produce to lessen the impact of shipping.
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wolfy42
07/08/19 1:46:53 AM
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I made it three weeks this time and gave up last Tuesday (last day of the $6 sale on rib eye steaks). Was craving them too much and the sale was too good. Have not had beef since then though, but I'm gonna aim for just having it every so often, instead of not having any at all.

I think I can pull that off long term.
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LinkPizza
07/08/19 1:55:02 AM
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KeijiMaedaTiger posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Byproducts support the same industry, require the same exploitation, and contribute to the same environmental damage. Supporting some of it despite opposition to those things didn't make sense


Would not go vegan or vegetarian myself. But I do source local meats and have my own chickens to reduce impact. If you don't already make sure you go with local produce to lessen the impact of shipping.

Where I live, lots of people have their own chickens. And will even sell eggs to co-workers and stuff... I have thought about getting some myself. But I don't think I can right now...
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Sephiroth C Ryu
07/08/19 1:56:03 AM
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Since you take pride in your veganism, I will offer you congratulations.

Yes, with modern food industry, it is a lot easier to stay vegan while also being healthy than it used to, but there still remains a degree of difficulty in giving up any tastes you particularly enjoy from the non-vegan side of things.

If you don't mind my asking, what is your style of veganism? Totally strict? Or are you allowed milk? And/or, are you allowed to use eggs, since those are never fertilized (thanks to birds being weird) and thus having no issues since they never actually take a potential life of a potential future chicken?

I am no vegan. But don't think I can't understand the thinking that leads to it.

I will say just this: In the event meat (or other food, but its especially strong with animal-based food) is in front of me on a table, I will feel obligated to ensure it is not wasted. For my belief is that it is far more disrespectful to life to throw something away when you could consume it, than it is to consume it. If something has lived to give you sustenance, then you at least owe it to them to not waste that existence.

Wasting food is something I dislike a good deal. But this applies to another level when it comes to wasting food from an animal. You can consider it in some veins similar to veganism, perhaps. While obviously different as well.

The short version: Don't. Waste. Food. There are rare times when, no really, you eventually must get rid of it without consuming it (like an old carton of open yogurt-milk you have left alone for a month or something), but my personal belief when it comes to food is that, no matter where the food comes from, you must respect it. And should an event occur that requires you to waste food, that you should not do so without at least regret.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 1:56:10 AM
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KeijiMaedaTiger posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Byproducts support the same industry, require the same exploitation, and contribute to the same environmental damage. Supporting some of it despite opposition to those things didn't make sense


Would not go vegan or vegetarian myself. But I do source local meats and have my own chickens to reduce impact. If you don't already make sure you go with local produce to lessen the impact of shipping.

Yeah I do buy local whenever possible and avoid produce shipped from far around the globe. It's farmers market season and there's some good greenhouses in the province as well.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 1:59:56 AM
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Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
If you don't mind my asking, what is your style of veganism? Totally strict? Or are you allowed milk?

No veganism allows animal milks. I drink oat and soy milk

Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
And/or, are you allowed to use eggs, since those are never fertilized (thanks to birds being weird) and thus having no issues since they never actually take a potential life of a potential future chicken?

No, that's an animal product. Some ovo vegetarians eat eggs, eggs aren't universally vegetarian (and are never vegan)

Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
I will say just this: In the event meat (or other food, but its especially strong with animal-based food) is in front of me on a table, I will feel obligated to ensure it is not wasted. For my belief is that it is far more disrespectful to life to throw something away when you could consume it, than it is to consume it. If something has lived to give you sustenance, then you at least owe it to them to not waste that existence.

Ok? I won't eat it. But I'm up front and no one is offering to serve me meat. I bring my own food. People can save meat for leftovers, I'm in no way obligated to eat that meat. It justifies the demand for more.

Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
The short version: Don't. Waste. Food.

I don't. Meat is not food for me. Others can have it. I won't buy it for others or eat it personally.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 2:01:22 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
I made it three weeks this time and gave up last Tuesday (last day of the $6 sale on rib eye steaks). Was craving them too much and the sale was too good. Have not had beef since then though, but I'm gonna aim for just having it every so often, instead of not having any at all.

I think I can pull that off long term.

That's pretty impressive, good for you. Reduction still helps and it's really better for you too
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Mead
07/08/19 2:11:07 AM
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I couldnt cut it when I tried. Im just addicted to meat I guess.

I try to eat less of it though. I like to order the impossible burger where its available although I tried one of the impossible sliders from White Castle and Im not sure what they did but it was terrible

Im hoping the lab cultured meat becomes available in stores within the next few years because Id gladly switch to that
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WastelandCowboy
07/08/19 2:11:32 AM
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Nice!
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Sephiroth C Ryu
07/08/19 3:00:55 AM
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I should be clear that I was not trying to criticize you in my earlier post. I only mention this because you have replied to it in the manner that someone normally does to a person who is criticizing them.

Yes, there is the rare scene where some nut-case-level vegan (the sort you'd normally only see in a TV series and wouldn't expect to happen in real life) will outright waste food on purpose "just because they are vegan," (usually in response to some weird situation the TV series places them in), but those aren't really the sort of people that usually exist in real life for the most part.

Food wasting "vegans" are on par in rarity with those weird dingbats you occasionally hear about from people talking about reddit posts or something, where some total faith-in-humanity-draining king among idiots does something even a "normal idiot" would think is stupid.

So yeah. There is no reason whatsoever to just assume any person who comes out saying they are vegan to be THAT sort of person, any more than thinking someone who says they are <insert religion here> are the sort of people who think everyone of <any other religion here> are all going to hell no matter what and thus deserve to be treated badly.

My faith in humanity is not very high, I admit it. But I am not someone who just assumes someone professing to be of a group just automatically has all the worst traits of that group (mind you, THAT assumption does seem to be getting more and more common these days, so I suppose I can appreciate your quick defense).
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 3:14:31 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't. Meat is not food for me. Others can have it. I won't buy it for others or eat it personally.

When your choices effect others, that's when it's not okay.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 3:22:12 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't. Meat is not food for me. Others can have it. I won't buy it for others or eat it personally.

When your choices effect others, that's when it's not okay.

Excuse me what I will not buy it for other people

Speaking with your wallet is your basic right in capitalism. If my friends want me to buy a meal it can be vegan, or I can just pay for my own food. No one should expect me to buy their meal regardless of the ingredients (I don't expect it from others)
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SpeedDemon20
07/08/19 3:22:28 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't. Meat is not food for me. Others can have it. I won't buy it for others or eat it personally.

When your choices effect others, that's when it's not okay.

How does that matter? Non-vegans can eat vegan food.

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07/08/19 3:24:19 AM
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Sephiroth C Ryu
07/08/19 3:24:24 AM
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How many times do you really think it comes up where someone ELSE asks the OP to buy meat for THEM?

I mean, what. Do you normally ask random friends to go out of THEIR way to buy YOUR groceries for you?
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 3:26:37 AM
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Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
How many times do you really think it comes up where someone ELSE asks the OP to buy meat for THEM?

I mean, what. Do you normally ask random friends to go out of THEIR way to buy YOUR groceries for you?
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Sometimes meal cost sharing at restaurants, I don't live with anyone that eats meat but roommates or partners too

It really doesn't impact anyone. I gladly share my food. It's just vegan. That's it
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Sephiroth C Ryu
07/08/19 3:28:40 AM
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That was in response to Kyuubi.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 3:32:10 AM
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Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
That was in response to Kyuubi.
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Yeah, just sharing my experience of times it came up. I've had people want me to do so, and I have in some times in the past, but will no longer put my money towards it

Kyuubi has ideas
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 4:06:27 AM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
I don't. Meat is not food for me. Others can have it. I won't buy it for others or eat it personally.

When your choices effect others, that's when it's not okay.

How does that matter? Non-vegans can eat vegan food.

You can eat gruel, doesn't mean you wouldn't be insulted to be offered it.

Sephiroth C Ryu posted...
How many times do you really think it comes up where someone ELSE asks the OP to buy meat for THEM?

I mean, what. Do you normally ask random friends to go out of THEIR way to buy YOUR groceries for you?
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I imagine people learnt not to come to her house because they don't want to suffer kale smoothies.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Kyuubi has ideas

Look at my sig, there's a reason I rag on you.
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Broken_Zeus
07/08/19 4:07:45 AM
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Repent, vegan! Come back to the savory side!
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SpeedDemon20
07/08/19 4:10:11 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
You can eat gruel, doesn't mean you wouldn't be insulted to be offered it.

1. Do you think being offered vegan food is insulting?
2. How does her choice of not buying meat matter?
3. How does it affect others?
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 4:13:10 AM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
Do you think being offered vegan food is insulting?

Yes.

SpeedDemon20 posted...
How does her choice of not buying meat matter?

When it effects what other people receive, as I quoted.

SpeedDemon20 posted...
How does it affect others?

Normal people eat what they're offered because they're polite, and her stance means they have to suffer from her choice.
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SpeedDemon20
07/08/19 4:19:27 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
When it effects what other people receive, as I quoted.

Who is it affecting? Who are these "other people" you keep alluding to?

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Normal people eat what they're offered because they're polite, and her stance means they have to suffer from her choice.

Have you ever been offered vegan food?
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 4:33:16 AM
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Kyuubi doesn't understand that there's already a lot of vegan (or very nearly vegan) food people normally eat

gruel
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 4:37:00 AM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
Who is it affecting? Who are these "other people" you keep alluding to?

Doctor Foxx posted...
I won't buy it for others

Those ones.

SpeedDemon20 posted...
Have you ever been offered vegan food?

Yes, and said vegan has since seen the light.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Kyuubi doesn't understand that there's already a lot of vegan (or very nearly vegan) food people normally eat

gruel

It sits as a side to meat. I'll eat lettuce on a burger, doesn't mean a salad isn't complete shit.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 4:51:04 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
It sits as a side to meat. I'll eat lettuce on a burger, doesn't mean a salad isn't complete shit.

I don't eat gruel or kale. Salad is a side and can be made well. What on earth do you even think vegans eat?
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 4:54:56 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
It sits as a side to meat. I'll eat lettuce on a burger, doesn't mean a salad isn't complete shit.

I don't eat gruel or kale. Salad is a side and can be made well. What on earth do you even think vegans eat?

Gravel /s

To me, vegan meals are effectively kale gruel, I like meat.
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Doctor Foxx
07/08/19 4:57:04 AM
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Needing meat every meal sounds awfully limited and boring tbh
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Krazy_Kirby
07/08/19 5:02:18 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Needing meat every meal sounds awfully limited and boring tbh


never eating meat sounds limiting also
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 5:04:28 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Needing meat every meal sounds awfully limited and boring tbh


never eating meat sounds limiting also

This.

I like what I like and won't make vegans eat meat so I appreciate it going the other way too.
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SpeedDemon20
07/08/19 5:06:18 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Yes, and said vegan has since seen the light.

And said vegan caused you to suffer?
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 5:07:52 AM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Yes, and said vegan has since seen the light.

And said vegan caused you to suffer?

Yes, I ate at their house.
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Shoregrey
07/08/19 5:10:07 AM
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I was Vegan for a good while, but I never mentioned this fact to anyone because most Vegans are obnoxious c - u - n ( t ) s about their diet.
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 5:15:33 AM
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lol censor bypass in a mod topic.
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Sarcasthma
07/08/19 5:18:18 AM
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Shoregrey posted...

You seem pretty obnoxious, to be honest.
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LinkPizza
07/08/19 5:20:31 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Needing meat every meal sounds awfully limited and boring tbh


never eating meat sounds limiting also

This is true. While vegans may have a good selection of food, omnivores have a bigger selection since they can eat vegan and non-vegan food...
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SpeedDemon20
07/08/19 5:32:38 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Yes, I ate at their house.

You suffered eating vegan food because someone offered it to you. Now you're projecting that onto Foxx's choice to not buy meat?
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Mad_Max
07/08/19 5:33:28 AM
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Share your favorite vegan recipes :)
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Kyuubi4269
07/08/19 5:38:48 AM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Yes, I ate at their house.

You suffered eating vegan food because someone offered it to you. Now you're projecting that onto Foxx's choice to not buy meat?

Because polite people won't reject what you make, you should be polite and offer something they would like. Explain what's unreasonable here?
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Sarcasthma
07/08/19 5:39:28 AM
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Mad_Max posted...
Share your favorite vegan recipes :)

Vegetarian Mapo Tofu
Serves 4

Ingredients:

12 to 14 dried shiitake mushrooms
1 cup warm water
1 1/2 tablespoon fermented black beans (or substitute black bean sauce)
2 tablespoons peanut or vegetable oil
3 scallions, thinly sliced at an angle, white and green parts separated
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 teaspoon minced ginger
1 block soft or medium-firm tofu (about 1 pound), drained and cut into 1-inch cubes
1 tablespoon cornstarch, dissolved in 2 tablespoons water
Sauce:

2 tablespoons chili bean paste
1 tablespoon Chinese rice wine or dry sherry
2 teaspoons soy sauce
2 teaspoons sesame oil
2 teaspoons sugar
teaspoon ground Sichuan pepper
Instructions

Soak the shiitake mushrooms in the 1 cup of warm water for 15 to 20 minutes, until softened. Drain the shiitakes and squeeze out the excess water into the bowl. Keep the mushroom-flavored water, as you will need it for the sauce in the next step. Discard the stems of the mushrooms and finely chop the caps.

Prepare the sauce: In a small bowl, stir together the mushroom-flavored water, chili bean paste, rice wine, soy sauce, sesame oil, sugar, and Sichuan pepper. Set aside.
Rinse the black beans to remove any grit and mash them with the back of a spoon.
Heat a wok or large skillet over medium-high heat until a bead of water sizzles and evaporates on contact. Add the peanut oil and swirl to coat the base. Add the minced mushrooms and mashed black beans and stir-fry for 2 minutes, until the mushrooms are crispy and the black beans are aromatic and a bit crispy as well. Reduce the heat to medium, then add the scallion whites, garlic, and ginger and stir-fry until fragrant, about 1 minute.

Pour in the sauce and bring the liquid to a boil, the reduce to a simmer. The liquid should now have a nice red color. Gently add the tofu cubes, being careful to not move them around too much or else they will break up. Allow the sauce to simmer for about 2 to 3 minutes so the tofu can cook and absorb the the sauce.

Carefully push the tofu to the sides and create a small well in the middle. Stir in the cornstarch mixture in the center. Allow the liquid to simmer for another minute, until the sauce has thickened enough to coat the back of a spoon. Transfer to a deep plate or wide bowl, sprinkle the scallion greens on top, and serve hot.
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Revelation34
07/08/19 5:42:58 AM
#49:


Doctor Foxx posted...
I'm in no way obligated to eat that meat. It justifies the demand for more.


That's false. If there's meat being served to other people then it doesn't matter if a vegan doesn't eat it since the meat eaters are already eating it. I mean such as at parties and whatnot.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Needing meat every meal sounds awfully limited and boring tbh


That's ironic coming from a vegan. Basically what LinkPizza said.
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AllstarSniper32
07/08/19 5:43:33 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Needing meat every meal sounds awfully limited and boring tbh

never eating meat sounds limiting also

There's a lot more non-meat foods out there than meat foods.
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