Poll of the Day > Today marks two years of veganism

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Mead posted...

Added taxes dont stop low income people buying stuff like alcohol, cigarettes, or lottery tickets

This is true, but it's worth noting that all three of those are addictive. I'm not sure if meat could be compared to those. Maybe it could be. Perhaps it's more addictive than I think. But at first glance it seems to be an unfair comparison.
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I live really close to Die Pie, walk by it all the time. Perhaps I'll try that out.

I may take you up on that offer.
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Dynalo posted...

I live really close to Die Pie, walk by it all the time. Perhaps I'll try that out.

I may take you up on that offer.

An Chay is next door! Also vegetarian.

For the record Die Pie was the place that blew the vegan's mind. Their pizza is really nice. But they also have great burgers.

I live a 15 minute walk from there so let me know. Remedy also has really nice vegan options for food.

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Dynalo posted...

Mead posted...

Added taxes dont stop low income people buying stuff like alcohol, cigarettes, or lottery tickets

This is true, but it's worth noting that all three of those are addictive. I'm not sure if meat could be compared to those. Maybe it could be. Perhaps it's more addictive than I think. But at first glance it seems to be an unfair comparison.

i'd say it is.

you have people that absolutely wont touch a vegetable because it's not meat
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Remedy also has really nice vegan options for food

I recalled seeing a vegan butter chicken on the menu last time I was there and was very curious how on earth you make something that's mostly cream and chicken into a vegan dish. I assume tofu and coconut milk, but no clue.
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Dynalo posted...

I recalled seeing a vegan butter chicken on the menu last time I was there and was very curious how on earth you make something that's mostly cream and chicken into a vegan dish. I assume tofu and coconut milk, but no clue.

Yeah it's honestly very good! I usually get the Chana wrap myself. Or the dal and samosas combo is good for several lunches haha.

They use some kind of soy chicken and I think their sauce has a cashew base. I've made my own vegan butter chicken that way and that's the most similar to theirs. It's not quite right for coconut milk. It is nice and tasty.

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Sorry. I meant gelatine... But only in some stuff. Some of their drink arent vegan. Most are, though...

...You realize gelatine is gelatin yeah?

I mean I've seen it before but it's almost always with something that includes dairy as well

There's just no need for gelatin in a drink

They literally said why it's in their drinks on the Irish site.
Doctor Foxx posted...

I've had people fed me things that weren't vegan. I've accidentally bought a few things that weren't and gave them away after realizing my mistake. Like who expects milk in salt and vinegar potato chips? I'm still vegan even if someone fed me something with milk or eggs.

That's illegal in Canada to do purposely isn't it? I know in America it isn't but is considered a dick move.

Bulbasaur posted...

you have people that absolutely wont touch a vegetable because it's not meat

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is bacon vegan?
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Nade Duck posted...

is bacon vegan?

Vegan bacon is... But Idk how it taste...
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Revelation34 posted...

dumb stuff

we live in a world where people stick their dicks in their cars tailpipes, no a citation isn't needed.
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Bulbasaur posted...

we live in a world where people stick their dicks in their cars tailpipes, no a citation isn't needed.

Translation: I'm making shit up.
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what about canadian bacon?
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Nade Duck posted...

what about canadian bacon?

Not a terrible film, but not great either

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I like how I get suspended for having one minor moderation in three weeks time for "flaming." I thought flaming needed to actually be directed at someone but to the point... Another vegan in this topic calls someone an idiot and the post stays up. Wonder why

OhhhJa posted...

I like how I get suspended for having one minor moderation in three weeks time for "flaming." I thought flaming needed to actually be directed at someone but to the point... Another vegan in this topic calls someone an idiot and the post stays up. Wonder why

I imagine your posting history has a lot to do with that

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Mead posted...

OhhhJa posted...

I like how I get suspended for having one minor moderation in three weeks time for "flaming." I thought flaming needed to actually be directed at someone but to the point... Another vegan in this topic calls someone an idiot and the post stays up. Wonder why

I imagine your posting history has a lot to do with that

3 to 4 weeks without moderations... one debatable minor moderation shouldnt result in a suspension. Methinks a mod doesnt like me here

Especially when I consistently see posts like the one with the vegan calling someone an idiot left up

OhhhJa posted...

3 to 4 weeks without moderations... one debatable minor moderation shouldnt result in a suspension. Methinks a mod doesnt like me here

Any history is still history that weighs things more heavily. I don't action on this board. I have been slack modding lately anyway whoops

Something something doth protest too much

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Any history is still history that weighs things more heavily. I don't action on this board. I have been slack modding lately anyway whoops

Something something doth protest too much

i think part of the rules for being a mod must be to never claim responsibility. literally every mod that posts here has, at one time or another, claimed that they rarely ever make actual moderations, ok?

"i rarely mod, and when i do, it's never anyone you would know. super promise! i don't even like being a mod. i don't think mods even moderate anyone, if we're being honest, ok?"

you people should grow a pair, ok?
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OhhhJa posted...

I like how I get suspended for having one minor moderation in three weeks time for "flaming." I thought flaming needed to actually be directed at someone but to the point... Another vegan in this topic calls someone an idiot and the post stays up. Wonder why

Definitely isn't flaming if it isn't aimed at anybody. Same reason why you can actually insult somebody if they don't have a Gamefaqs account.
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https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/bjwzk4/feeling-sad-about-the-amazon-fires-stop-eating-meat


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Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/bjwzk4/feeling-sad-about-the-amazon-fires-stop-eating-meat

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/americas/brazil-beef-amazon-rainforest-fire-intl/index.html Post a real news site please.
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Revelation34 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/americas/brazil-beef-amazon-rainforest-fire-intl/index.html Post a real news site please.

Oh ok cool so tl;dr for both is beef is bad news

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I dont think eating less meat is the only solution. Or even a good one, tbh. Eating less meat wont put out the fires. Itll just make it so new ones keep popping up... Well, from ranchers. The first priority should be putting out the fires that are already there.

Also, most of the forest is being cut down for ranches. As soon as that stops, loggers will most likely still cut down a lot. Meaning the deforestation will still happen. And could probably still cause fires.

And even if some people (or even a good amount) slows down or stops eating meat, its not like the meat industry will stop overnight. It would probably take over a year before they even notice that meat isnt as profitable. Meaning this will still be going on.

The best solution is to probably just banned Brazilian beef until they figure out a solution and let people enjoy their meat from other places...

Especially since it looks like the US only gets about 2% of that Brazilian Beef...
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LinkPizza posted...

I dont think eating less meat is the only solution.

It is a necessary part of the solution whether people like it or not

The destruction of the Amazon is driven by beef

LinkPizza posted...

And even if some people (or even a good amount) slows down or stops eating meat, its not like the meat industry will stop overnight. It would probably take over a year before they even notice that meat isnt as profitable. Meaning this will still be going on.

Just because change takes time doesn't mean you should ignore what needs to be done. The fact that it takes a while means you should be all the more driven to act NOW. Saying that's just the way it is and doing nothing is condoning and directly financially supporting the destruction of this planet

LinkPizza posted...

The best solution is to probably just banned Brazilian beef until they figure out a solution and let people enjoy their meat from other places...

Many countries are looking to do that, and they should

But the demand must be reduced. Drastically. Globally. Things as they are can not be sustained.

LinkPizza posted...

Especially since it looks like the US only gets about 2% of that Brazilian Beef...

The US is not the major consumer of Brazilian beef, but the US is supporting Brazil's genocidal actions

The US does import soy from the Amazon to feed its cattle. Even if you're not eating Brazilian beef, the beef you eat is fed on the destruction of the Amazon rainforest

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I dont think eating less meat is the only solution.

It is a necessary part of the solution whether people like it or not

The destruction of the Amazon is driven by beef

Doing so in the US most likely wont help much. We only get about 2% or Brazils beef. So, like it or not, the US eating meat isnt the problem in Brazil. Honk Kong, China, and Egypt are the 3 biggest. Maybe if they stop, things could change. The US stopping wont really help the forest much, if at all...
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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And even if some people (or even a good amount) slows down or stops eating meat, its not like the meat industry will stop overnight. It would probably take over a year before they even notice that meat isnt as profitable. Meaning this will still be going on.

Just because change takes time doesn't mean you should ignore what needs to be done. The fact that it takes a while means you should be all the more driven to act NOW. Saying that's just the way it is and doing nothing is condoning and directly financially supporting the destruction of this planet

All Im saying is unless you get everyone on board at once, which wont happen, it wont do much. We have to think of solutions that actually will work.
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LinkPizza posted...

All Im saying is unless you get everyone on board at once, which wont happen, it wont do much. We have to think of solutions that actually will work.

Get the fuck on board and stop making excuses

There's lots of us here waiting for you

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

All Im saying is unless you get everyone on board at once, which wont happen, it wont do much. We have to think of solutions that actually will work.

Get the fuck on board and stop making excuses

There's lots of us here waiting for you

Im not making excuses. I already said Im not becoming vegan because I dont want to. But either way, getting everyone on board is impossible without taking away peoples freedom and making meat illegal. At which point, people wont care about anything.

As for saving the rainforest, start with Honk Kong, China, and Egypt first. If you can get three biggest to stop taking from Brazil or eating meat, that would actually help. All you have to do to stop the rain forest from burning away is to stop beef exports from Brazil. Not to stop eating meat completely...
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LinkPizza posted...

Im not making excuses. I already said Im not becoming vegan because I dont want to. But either way, getting everyone on board is impossible without taking away peoples freedom and making meat illegal. At which point, people wont care about anything.

As for saving the rainforest, start with Honk Kong, China, and Egypt first. If you can get three biggest to stop taking from Brazil or eating meat, that would actually help. All you have to do to stop the rain forest from burning away is to stop beef exports from Brazil. Not to stop eating meat completely...

I didn't ask why you think you can't be vegan but thanks for bringing it up yet again

The US relies on the Amazon rainforest being clear cut to grow cattle feed. That soy they burn the Amazon to grow is imported and used to fatten up livestock. Whether or not you buy Brazilian beef, the beef and other meat you eat is fed care of rainforest destruction. When those lands fail to yield (because they're not suitable for crops) it's turned into grazing land and it's forest that will never be recovered.

Even if your beef is American it's still causing destruction that you should not ignore

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Doctor Foxx posted...

The US is not the major consumer of Brazilian beef, but the US is supporting Brazil's genocidal actions

What people are the Brazilians killing?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Im not making excuses. I already said Im not becoming vegan because I dont want to. But either way, getting everyone on board is impossible without taking away peoples freedom and making meat illegal. At which point, people wont care about anything.

As for saving the rainforest, start with Honk Kong, China, and Egypt first. If you can get three biggest to stop taking from Brazil or eating meat, that would actually help. All you have to do to stop the rain forest from burning away is to stop beef exports from Brazil. Not to stop eating meat completely...

I didn't ask why you think you can't be vegan but thanks for bringing it up yet again

The US relies on the Amazon rainforest being clear cut to grow cattle feed. That soy they burn the Amazon to grow is imported and used to fatten up livestock. Whether or not you buy Brazilian beef, the beef and other meat you eat is fed care of rainforest destruction. When those lands fail to yield (because they're not suitable for crops) it's turned into grazing land and it's forest that will never be recovered.

Even if your beef is American it's still causing destruction that you should not ignore

Well,
The on-board part I mentioned was for becoming vegan, which you then said get on board to, which I declined.

Not all the beef is Brazilian beef, though. And even if the US took no more meat from Brazil, it would barely impact them, if at all. And according to your article, you apparently dont need to deforest anything for it. And if you do, it wont be much. Us stopping the soy would stop a little deforesting, which would probably still get deforested by loggers...

The last part is true, but wont help the rainforest...
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Revelation34 posted...

What people are the Brazilians killing?

The many uncontacted Indigenous tribes of the Amazon. Courts recently ruled they have a right to their lands. The fires are concentrated around protected tribal lands. People are being burned out of their lands to clear the forest... for beef.

It's fucked up. Humans are being killed and their homes and lands are forever destroyed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/tribes-brazil-genocide-jair-bolsonaro

https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-amazon-forest-fires-are-a-form-of-genocide-1837507793

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veganism would be so much more appealing if vegans weren't so depressing.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amazon-forest-fire-brazil-beef-meat-vegan-vegetarian-brazil-a9076236.html

Nade Duck posted...

veganism would be so much more appealing if vegans weren't so depressing.

The food is still good. I think it takes certain types to commit to be vegan at this point and it requires acknowledgement of some depressing realities

Still good for everyone to consider going plant based even if they don't want to be vegan

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life without steak still sounds depressing, though. :(
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Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/amazon-forest-fire-brazil-beef-meat-vegan-vegetarian-brazil-a9076236.html

I havent Read the whole thing because Im at work. The only new thing this article said was that vegans should not eat as much soy and apparently share some of the blame. And that the UK has a bunch of illegal meat, I guess. Though, the EU is tied for 4th with Chile for most of Brazils beef. Maybe them stopping would do a little. More than the US, at least. Idk how much, though. I dont see how boycotting all meat (like the meat not from Brazil) helps the Amazon Rainforest.

Nade Duck posted...

weren't so depressing.

It does feel like that. Tbh, Id probably not be happy if I had to go vegan. Im probably already depressed. Losing the foods I like would probably cause me to spiral... Well, I feel Id probably be angry or grumpy more...
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LinkPizza posted...

The only new thing this article said was that vegans should not eat as much soy and apparently share some of the blame

Sure anyone with a mouth is to blame

Consider over 90% of soy is not consumed by humans, the vast majority is fed to livestock, and by far most soy (and any other food) consumption by humans comes from people that also eat meat. If the meat eaters ate soy instead of feeding it to animals that alone would drastically reduce the amount of soy that needs to be grown to feed the planet

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/where_do_all_these_soybeans_go

This is not a time to blame vegans lmao

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Nade Duck posted...

life without steak still sounds depressing, though. :(

Agreed, but life with less steak is manageable. Even significantly less. Even if we simply reduce our meat consumption, it could have tremendous impact. Eating vegetarian, just a couple days a week, would make a difference if we could get some sort of national messaging out to that effect. It's a much more realistic and attainable goal than pushing for people to give up meat completely. Could campaign to have people take "Veggie Days", eat vegetarian once or twice a week (or more). Totally doable, but it would take some philanthropic person or organization to get out there and lobby and advertise for such a change to occur. A bunch of vegans on social media aren't going to change anything. Need to have a unifying, clear message and goal in mind, then advertise to that effect.
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Nade Duck posted...

life without steak still sounds depressing, though. :(

if you genuinely feel this way i get the feeling you just don't eat a very wide variety of dishes
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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

The only new thing this article said was that vegans should not eat as much soy and apparently share some of the blame

Sure anyone with a mouth is to blame

Consider over 90% of soy is not consumed by humans, the vast majority is fed to livestock, and by far most soy (and any other food) consumption by humans comes from people that also eat meat. If the meat eaters ate soy instead of feeding it to animals that alone would drastically reduce the amount of soy that needs to be grown to feed the planet

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/where_do_all_these_soybeans_go

This is not a time to blame vegans lmao

Soybeans seem important. So, maybe feed animals less soybeans, we can still have soybeans for all the other things we use it for, and still have the oil, I guess. And with animals eating less soybeans, we can grow less. Though, thats only a small part of anything. But that would probably help some...

TheWitchMorgana posted...

Nade Duck posted...

life without steak still sounds depressing, though. :(

if you genuinely feel this way i get the feeling you just don't eat a very wide variety of dishes

You can feel sad about a food being gone. Especially if its a favorite, while still living other dishes...
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thanks linkpizza i never thought of that
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LinkPizza posted...

Soybeans seem important. So, maybe feed animals less soybeans, we can still have soybeans for all the other things we use it for, and still have the oil, I guess. And with animals eating less soybeans, we can grow less. Though, thats only a small part of anything. But that would probably help some...

They need to eat something. What else are you going to feed them? Not possible to graze them all.

It's basic science, the dang laws of thermodynamics. You are losing energy feeding animals that you eat instead of just eating plants directly

Doesn't matter what you grow to feed them. That will not change.

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Soybeans seem important. So, maybe feed animals less soybeans, we can still have soybeans for all the other things we use it for, and still have the oil, I guess. And with animals eating less soybeans, we can grow less. Though, thats only a small part of anything. But that would probably help some...

They need to eat something. What else are you going to feed them? Not possible to graze them all.

It's basic science, the dang laws of thermodynamics. You are losing energy feeding animals that you eat instead of just eating plants directly

Doesn't matter what you grow to feed them. That will not change.

And not everybody wants to eat only the plants directly. So, I guess well lose a little energy. Well, it happens, I guess. I figured we could feed them something else. But, eh...
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LinkPizza posted...

And not everybody wants to eat only the plants directly. So, I guess well lose a little energy. Well, it happens, I guess. I figured we could feed them something else. But, eh...

You're losing more than a little. It takes many times more energy to get animals to slaughter. It's throwing away energy and killing the environment.

How much value does taste preference of one person have over the cost of everything else?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/beef-uses-ten-times-more-resources-poultry-dairy-eggs-pork-180952103/

https://www.wired.com/story/alt-meat-trounces-animal-meats-massive-inefficiencies/

The team calculated that beef requires 28 times more land, six times more fertilizer and 11 times more water compared to those other food sources. That adds up to about five times more greenhouse gas emissions.

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Doctor Foxx posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And not everybody wants to eat only the plants directly. So, I guess well lose a little energy. Well, it happens, I guess. I figured we could feed them something else. But, eh...

You're losing more than a little. It takes many times more energy to get animals to slaughter. It's throwing away energy and killing the environment.

How much value does taste preference of one person have over the cost of everything else?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/beef-uses-ten-times-more-resources-poultry-dairy-eggs-pork-180952103/

https://www.wired.com/story/alt-meat-trounces-animal-meats-massive-inefficiencies/

The team calculated that beef requires 28 times more land, six times more fertilizer and 11 times more water compared to those other food sources. That adds up to about five times more greenhouse gas emissions.

It does suck that were using a lot more energy. But thats what happens. Also, its more than the taste preference of one person...
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LinkPizza posted...

It does suck that were using a lot more energy. But thats what happens. Also, its more than the taste preference of one person...

If you want to help the environment (and the planet) please don't ignore a critical aspect of the solution



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