Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic #228 - Orbs you glad I didn't say banana?

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I imagine some of that will regress to the mean, but ouch
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Man, Cyclo was ahead of the game with his anti-Harris posts this time
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But SephyG said Biden looked amazing and clearly won the debate!
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who are the 1% of people who voted de blasio
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

I think states neutering the US Congress is extremely dangerous for the long-term health of our republic. Which is why I wish Congress would pass fewer federal laws rather than pass bad laws that can be constantly undermined.

Do you care more about the republic or the people that make up the republic?

The republic

Why?
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Conservatives are often zealots, either for an actual religion or American civil religion. They love the ritual, the silly stories and holding something high above themselves, but most of all they love the fact that both provide a set of rules to live by so they never have to examine their behavior or consider right or wrong. You just follow the rules! And if you break the rules, you deserve all suffering you receive

This is because they are simple creatures, and want a world that is black and white. Right or wrong. And they sure as hell don't wanna think about it.

Just kidding, it's because they are fascists and wanna use rule violation as an excuse to brutalize others and get away with it. And when President Trump/any other rich guy is a pathological rule breaker? Well the rules aren't set up to hurt him! It turns out conservatives don't care too much about rules at all. They just like excuses.

You guys act like it's pointless to argue with red sox, but he would vote for Bernie! Seph and other conservatives who straight up have no interest in a better world are the ones who are pointless to argue with. You cannot argue your way into giving a shit about other people.

Just reading quotes, going from "the left doesn't care about the people" to "I don't care about the people" seems like a radical shift in seph's rhetoric

So I'd like to just clarify earlier that when I said "Oh, he 100% means it," I meant the insult. He's very much a troll, but when he gets really pissy and starts calling us things like that, it's legit him just being thin skinned
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StealThisSheen posted...

So I'd like to just clarify earlier that when I said "Oh, he 100% means it," I meant the insult. He's very much a troll, but when he gets really pissy and starts calling us things like that, it's legit him just being thin skinned

oh ok, i didn't get that that's what you meant.

so this means you agree with me that he's (at least at times) disingenuous?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/dhs-warned-may-border-station-conditions-so-bad-agents-feared-n1025136

Yeah sure AOC is making it all up
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/dhs-warned-may-border-station-conditions-so-bad-agents-feared-n1025136

Yeah sure AOC is making it all up

JESUS CHRIST such obvious propaganda
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I like how Seph shifted so quickly from lol such an obvious lie to people wont care anyway
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StealThisSheen posted...

So I'd like to just clarify earlier that when I said "Oh, he 100% means it," I meant the insult. He's very much a troll, but when he gets really pissy and starts calling us things like that, it's legit him just being thin skinned

I wasn't going to say it earlier because I didn't think I needed to, but I 100% agree with you. When Seph's being a genuinely shit person, that's when he's posting his own true feelings/opinions. The correlation is pretty noticable.

Look guys, if you just ignore all the evidence then there's no evidence that anything is wrong. Why can't everyone here understand that?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

So I'd like to just clarify earlier that when I said "Oh, he 100% means it," I meant the insult. He's very much a troll, but when he gets really pissy and starts calling us things like that, it's legit him just being thin skinned

oh ok, i didn't get that that's what you meant.

so this means you agree with me that he's (at least at times) disingenuous?

Absolutely

But then he gets pissy and reveals he's actually a shit person, too
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StealThisSheen posted...

Absolutely

But then he gets pissy and reveals he's actually a shit person, too

i'm sure you'll say i'm biased but i don't think red sox is dishonest 100% of the time either, though. for instance, i totally buy that he legitimately thinks trump and bernie are the best candidates right now. i know him pretty well because we both posted frequently in the freedom topic for years, and he's always been kind of all over the map in his political views.

so yeah, as far as honest::dishonest ratio goes, i think him and sephy are pretty similar.
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Eyeballed post-debate polling averages:
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1145798655594467328
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/dhs-warned-may-border-station-conditions-so-bad-agents-feared-n1025136

Yeah sure AOC is making it all up

I mean why wouldn't they arm themselves against MS-13 inmates?
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oh bernie is live again
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Every single conservative has the exact same opinion: AOC is lying, but also the conditions should be even worse than she describes.

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1145747419264503808

Fact checking still going strong

Nrrr posted...

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1145747419264503808

Fact checking still going strong

The absolute fucking idiocy of one person calling themselves a "fact checker" does not negate the value or the incredible goddamn need we have for actual fact checking in politics.

A need we still have! Because the fact checkers these companies hire are all literally garbage. Or better (worse?) stated - Who fact checks the fact checkers?

Nrrr posted...

A need we still have! Because the fact checkers these companies hire are all literally garbage. Or better (worse?) stated - Who fact checks the fact checkers?

I assume the same people who watch the Watchmen.
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We need teams of fact-checker checking the fact checkers, and more teams of fact-checkers checking the second set. The the first set rechecks the third set. Eventually we can grow this into a free market of fact-checking where everyone gets their say and the voters decide on election day who is right.
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Yo dog I heard you like fact checking.
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Seph do you believe the people in the detention centers are innocent of being here illegally until proven guilty?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Seph do you believe the people in the detention centers are innocent of being here illegally until proven guilty?

No one is forcing them to stay in jail. They can leave the US if they want to.
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red sox 777 posted...

No one is forcing them to stay in jail. They can leave the US if they want to.

What if they took my kid and lost track of him because they didn't keep records of which kid went with which parent?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

red sox 777 posted...

No one is forcing them to stay in jail. They can leave the US if they want to.

What if they took my kid and lost track of him because they didn't keep records of which kid went with which parent?

That raises an interesting question. Can parents make such a decision on behalf of their child? They've come and sought asylum. Can a parent withdraw their child's asylum claim?

Alternately, suppose there's no asylum claim and they're all charged with a illegal entry. Can a parent plead guilty on behalf of their child? Can they accept deportation for the child as a condition of bail?

The safest thing constitutionally is probably just to give everyone a speedy jury trial. Maybe set up a permanent court in some economically depressed rust belt counties that voted for Trump. Then start paying jurors a living wage, and since there will be so many immigration trials, effectively the whole adult citizen population will have constant jury service and full employment.
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But I think this discussion really proves the need for a wall. If illegal immigrants are going to demand all the due process protections of our constitution once in the country, it would seem imperative to stop them at the border.
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How could they not have all of the due process protections of citizens? In particular, if they don't, what is a citizen's recourse if they're accused of being a non-citizen and are deported without a trial?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

How could they not have all of the due process protections of citizens? In particular, if they don't, what is a citizen's recourse if they're accused of being a non-citizen and are deported without a trial?

Yes, you are right. So we need a wall.
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why wouldn't illegal immigrants be able to use ladders?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

why wouldn't illegal immigrants be able to use ladders?

They could also go around in a boat. But the point isn't to 100% stop illegal immigration, it's to deter it so people stop setting out on the journey unless they've obtained a visa.
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Don't 90% of them arrive at ports of entry?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Don't 90% of them arrive at ports of entry?

That's only because of the catch and release policy. Require bail in proportion to the flight risk of the defendant and that will stop.
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red sox 777 posted...

But I think this discussion really proves the need for a wall. If illegal immigrants are going to demand all the due process protections of our constitution once in the country, it would seem imperative to stop them at the border.

By calling them illegal immigrants, youre presuming guilt
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I can because we are speaking about a category established by definition. For each individual, we can say, alleged illegal immigrant.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

who are the 1% of people who voted de blasio

The de Blasio campaign staff.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7201939/Border-patrol-agents-shared-Photoshopped-images-AOC-performing-oral-sex-secret-Facebook-group.html

So all of the units in the facility have sinks attached to the toilets. It's how they're constructed. So AOC is very likely fabricating that claim.

In any other decade she'd be censured for this.
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I like how you ignore the url.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7201939/Border-patrol-agents-shared-Photoshopped-images-AOC-performing-oral-sex-secret-Facebook-group.html

So all of the units in the facility have sinks attached to the toilets. It's how they're constructed. So AOC is very likely fabricating that claim.

In any other decade she'd be censured for this.

She already said the sinks in the toilet werent working and the prisoners had been told to drink from the bowl
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TheRock1525 posted...

I like how you ignore the url.

If that group is even a real thing, I see nothing wrong with dragging a woman who is routinely comparing you to an SS officer.
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Beginning to suspect people who gravitate towards positions of power are attracted to power to abuse it

I like how the two sources are daily mail and Washington examiner.

What, couldn't find any Breitbart links? Zero Hedge?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7201939/Border-patrol-agents-shared-Photoshopped-images-AOC-performing-oral-sex-secret-Facebook-group.html

So all of the units in the facility have sinks attached to the toilets. It's how they're constructed. So AOC is very likely fabricating that claim.

In any other decade she'd be censured for this.

She already said the sinks in the toilet werent working and the prisoners had been told to drink from the bowl

So all of the sinks were malfunctioning? Are they one per cell?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I like how you ignore the url.

If that group is even a real thing, I see nothing wrong with dragging a woman who is routinely comparing you to an SS officer.

They should probably stop working in concentration camps if they don't want that comparison.
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Describing that as "drinking out of the toilet" even if it's disingenuous, it's not a lie.
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https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1145837522355924992?s=21

This was in fact the type of toilet we saw in the cell.

Except there was just one, and the sink portion was not functioning - @AyannaPressley smartly tried to open the faucet, and nothing came out.

So the women were told they could drink out of the bowl.

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There's probably a 90% chance they're now desperately trying to fix the drinking fountains so they can post some video and go "see, they work!"
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