Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 12: Character Development for Delseban

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I should probably make clear

Town Opera Singer isn't my role

I was being silly

I thought my sarcasm was obvious day 1 when I explained that opera singers sing opera

I'm not miller, at least not one I'd know about

Well voldemort isn't the town doctor. So you just want to pussy foot around this?
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Corrik were you superficially told that you succefully delayed the kill?
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Specifically *
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Camarija posted...

I thought my sarcasm was obvious day 1 when I explained that opera singers sing opera

I spent the whole game up until the voldemort claim ride or dieing that so >_>
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Camarija posted...

I'm not miller, at least not one I'd know about

Cam I didn't mean your role is actually miller

It's just villager that has a similar effect of Miller within the context of this game

Probably no cop/miller/godfather (by name) in this game

Replace cop with flavor cop

Replace miller with a flavor character that seemingly has no business belonging as town

Replace godfather with a goon who seemingly would be more likely a town character

Obellisk posted...

Specifically *

Pretty sure he said scum are informed but he isn't.
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Obellisk posted...

Well voldemort isn't the town doctor. So you just want to pussy foot around this?

Yes

I have no reason to claim

What I'm describing is very much a Board 8 thing

purely out of curiosity cuz I do music stuff IRL, why opera singer?
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Lopen posted...

And yeah Lolo's claim potentially reads a lot like a scummy player trying to rationalize pre-emptively getting a claim on the table before they're forced to to add credibility. I don't see a reason for a town Lolo to claim BG there.

The opposite of this.

Why in the world would Scum Lolo think that claim is safe? He's either town telling the truth or attempting a gambit to lynch HB/Cam that could just as easily backfire on him. There is no scum motivation there. Lolo is town.

And Cam is still town too. He hinted being an evil character from the start of the game. If there is an evil character flavor split then he has no reason to hint at that as scum.

HB, who knows. This could all be one massive flavor trap. But if any of the Harry Potter claims is fake it's HB. Just by nature of being the first to claim and most likely to have gotten into this unfavorable position as scum.

Real scum don't intentionally make themselves look bad. Cam and Lolo are town
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

I thought my sarcasm was obvious day 1 when I explained that opera singers sing opera

I spent the whole game up until the voldemort claim ride or dieing that so >_>

The thing that might have tipped you off was my day 1 list of 4 Mafia - 2 of which already flipped Mafia

The claim literally means nothing

Camarija posted...

The thing that might have tipped you off was my day 1 list of 4 Mafia - 2 of which already flipped Mafia

what does that have to do with anything I was talking about
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turbopuns3 posted...

Camarija posted...

I'm not miller, at least not one I'd know about

Cam I didn't mean your role is actually miller

It's just villager that has a similar effect of Miller within the context of this game

Probably no cop/miller/godfather (by name) in this game

Replace cop with flavor cop

Replace miller with a flavor character that seemingly has no business belonging as town

Replace godfather with a goon who seemingly would be more likely a town character

Gotcha

Okay

I think I played a 17er or 21er a few years back that was also "literary" themed , and had a flavor cop

There was an unaware miller

I want to say 2 protectives as well

But I think that's all Town got

benjamin3740 posted...

He's either town telling the truth or attempting a gambit to lynch HB/Cam that could just as easily backfire on him

still think that would be a +EV move for scum and the most likely explanation
risk a floater to snag.....Cam I guess
well hm if he's not softclaiming power any more
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

The thing that might have tipped you off was my day 1 list of 4 Mafia - 2 of which already flipped Mafia

what does that have to do with anything I was talking about

You were relying on my nonsense role claim to read my align rather than the obviously I ductile content

As soon as the most unimportant factors arise, you act as though everything alignment indicative never happened

It looks predatory on your part

5tarscream posted...

Hb you never answered me. Are you sticking to your claim of Harry Potter Town Villager?

Yes
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benjamin3740 posted...

Real scum don't intentionally make themselves look bad. Cam and Lolo are town

They do if they're already in the hole all the time. Hell we literally just saw a claim from Red that made him look worse as a calculated risk.
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That being said I do agree with the statement as it relates to Cam as he wasn't already in the hole.
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik were you superficially told that you succefully delayed the kill?

I am not notified I stopped the kill. It was obvious by Red trying to fish who stopped their kill day 2. Also, scum could never have shot into chris unless protection was dead or if a strongman. Chris was strongmanned night 1. It's not a debate.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Lopen posted...

And yeah Lolo's claim potentially reads a lot like a scummy player trying to rationalize pre-emptively getting a claim on the table before they're forced to to add credibility. I don't see a reason for a town Lolo to claim BG there.

The opposite of this.

Why in the world would Scum Lolo think that claim is safe? He's either town telling the truth or attempting a gambit to lynch HB/Cam that could just as easily backfire on him. There is no scum motivation there. Lolo is town.

And Cam is still town too. He hinted being an evil character from the start of the game. If there is an evil character flavor split then he has no reason to hint at that as scum.

HB, who knows. This could all be one massive flavor trap. But if any of the Harry Potter claims is fake it's HB. Just by nature of being the first to claim and most likely to have gotten into this unfavorable position as scum.

Real scum don't intentionally make themselves look bad. Cam and Lolo are town

I disagree with this. Ulti claimed Thanos as miller in Avengers End Game mafia. I would do something weird like claim voldemort is town as scum if I thought I could get away with it. It's not that he made the claim that makes him town. It's who he is combined with making the claim. I had been reading him as town. Given the claim I'll lead towards the town version of the claim.

@Tom_Bombadil I claim water/miller
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I'll be on tonight

All I want to say is:

I apologize for behavior

The apparent unknown miller aspect of my role really fucked with my understanding of the game and my reads

I still think people who jumped on me did this out of convenience and predatory nature; willingly forgetting my previous two days of play

Also, if I'm somehow unaware traitor, please put me out of my misery

I hope that's not a thing but now I dunno

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik were you superficially told that you succefully delayed the kill?

I am not notified I stopped the kill. It was obvious by Red trying to fish who stopped their kill day 2. Also, scum could never have shot into chris unless protection was dead or if a strongman. Chris was strongmanned night 1. It's not a debate.

not debating. just wanted to concrete the reasoning. Red fishing for a target on Chris completely falls in line. i'm not doubting you.
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Camarija posted...

Also, if I'm somehow unaware traitor, please put me out of my misery

I hope that's not a thing but now I dunno

have you full claimed yet?
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Camarija posted...

the obviously I ductile content

?

Camarija posted...

As soon as the most unimportant factors arise, you act as though everything alignment indicative never happened

would you like me to go back and iso all the stuff I wouldn't have liked if I hadn't thought your claim made you town because that is likely going to make me more suspicious of you and not less
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Obellisk posted...

Camarija posted...

Also, if I'm somehow unaware traitor, please put me out of my misery

I hope that's not a thing but now I dunno

have you full claimed yet?

No

I am the most cleared player in the game

I will never claim

Traitors would be told they were traitors.I think you're fine Cam. Weird business with the opera singer aside.
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like sure you can play the "evaluate my play" card but I have been thoroughly unimpressed by your play all game

you yourself mentioned that you mainly got lucky on TWO DEAD MAFIA and despite what you seem to think you didn't contribute enough to their deaths to get to coast the rest of game

the only things you have going for you in my eyes are:
A) Opera Singer claim (rescinded)
B) A sense of earnestness (gut)
C) The weird ball of these HP claims (and my argument for your being town there relies on there not being three HP flavors+safelists which I am less and less sold on the more I think about it)

I like you and hope you don't take this too personally but all I am getting from you is weird flailing, difficulty adapting to B8's meta+jargon+attitude, missed info, and angry tunneling. The question for me is whether you're weird town or scum and that's a lot harder question without my main argument in your defense.
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Camarija posted...

Obellisk posted...

Camarija posted...

Also, if I'm somehow unaware traitor, please put me out of my misery

I hope that's not a thing but now I dunno

have you full claimed yet?

No

I am the most cleared player in the game

I will never claim

##unvote:
##vote: Cam
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Tom Bombadil posted...

like sure you can play the "evaluate my play" card but I have been thoroughly unimpressed by your play all game

you yourself mentioned that you mainly got lucky on TWO DEAD MAFIA and despite what you seem to think you didn't contribute enough to their deaths to get to coast the rest of game

the only things you have going for you in my eyes are:
A) Opera Singer claim (rescinded)
B) A sense of earnestness (gut)
C) The weird ball of these HP claims (and my argument for your being town there relies on there not being three HP flavors+safelists which I am less and less sold on the more I think about it)

I like you and hope you don't take this too personally but all I am getting from you is weird flailing, difficulty adapting to B8's meta+jargon+attitude, missed info, and angry tunneling. The question for me is whether you're weird town or scum and that's a lot harder question without my main argument in your defense.

I think you're mafia and this conversation is pointless

It's obvious with my conversations with both Red and Luis that I was not associated with either of them

ok good talk then
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red maybe, now that I think back

I don't even remember you interacting with luis though
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

Obellisk posted...

Camarija posted...

Also, if I'm somehow unaware traitor, please put me out of my misery

I hope that's not a thing but now I dunno

have you full claimed yet?

No

I am the most cleared player in the game

I will never claim

##unvote:
##vote: Cam

Yes!!!!

Tom Bombadil posted...

red maybe, now that I think back

I don't even remember you interacting with luis though

Lucky for you I included tons of spew analysis Day 2

you say lucky like I should be looking forward to trying to find that in like five topics
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It feels pointless to be the best there ever was

Continuously nail mafia

Put in tons of effort into notes

And still get the stink eye

Fun times

As I said, it's pointless

Let's have fun wasting our time together :D

IF we're not going to play Mafia I'm happy playing hangman here in the game thread and voting based on that

It would be equally terrible I guess but more fun

Cams probably town and is far less likely to be lying than Lolo. Lolo has given no signs of his role while Cam clearly has (lost wolf, etc)

Also related: theres no real reason to believe Corrik on his claim. If Chris was poisoned, he as a scum would be able to lie and be aware of Chriss unending death.
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Camarija posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

red maybe, now that I think back

I don't even remember you interacting with luis though

Lucky for you I included tons of spew analysis Day 2

My first posts start of day 2

specifically: 7-285 and a bit after that

gimme a sec
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Camarija posted...

best there ever was

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Hbthebattle posted...

Cams probably town and is far less likely to be lying than Lolo. Lolo has given no signs of his role while Cam clearly has (lost wolf, etc)

Also related: theres no real reason to believe Corrik on his claim. If Chris was poisoned, he as a scum would be able to lie and be aware of Chriss unending death.

This post is crazy.
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Corrik7 posted...

Camarija posted...

best there ever was

Gotta catch em all

Can I propose a wild theory I think may be correct.

Turbopuns is mafia and shot Dowolf so Dowolf could focus on SGDQ.
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Topic 4 - Post 131
Luis_Sera asks Camarija why he (I) originally brought up Lost Wolf despite answering that question multiple times while Camarija was receiving aggression from multiple players at that time [Topic 4 - Post 46 / Post 53 / Post 98 / etc.]

Even knowing Luis is scum this is a fair thing to press you on >_>

Topic 4 - Post 310
Luis Sera soft defends Lopen, and soft attacks SBell, while simultaneously ignoring Camarija who had mentioned Luis_Sera multiple times

Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't like SBell currently, right? What then do you think was Luis' motivation here?

Topic 4 - Post 319
At this stage after Camarija has been pestering Luis_Sera pretty hard, Red decides to fetishize violence against Camarija, imagining kicking his teeth in. Im 100% certain this was a psychological tactic in order to stop Camarija from being an absolute legend of the game. Otherwise, Red is just a major jerk and how is this even allowed in the game in the first place? In every event Red should feel absolutely embarrassed for treating a fellow player like this. If he is Town, he should be especially red in the face for what he did considering the timing. If he is Mafia, then he is absolutely disgraceful.

Said it then, saying it now (yes even after Red flipped scum)- you took that way more seriously than intended.

Pretty much the rest of that analysis as it pertains to you was just "I put him on some lists!" and "he poked at me a couple times" which is not super compelling D1. I'll give you a few points for that second quote but I don't share your opinion that you interacted with Luis enough, or in such a manner, that it clears you.
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How does it? Cam saw a villain in his role PM, got confused and asked about lost wolves. Is that out of character for him?
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How does what?
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Tom

You're mafia

If you were town you would have investigated Luis' posts for information and associations

You just clearly haven't been solving

If you had, you'd realize Luis only interacts with a handful of people, and the only two players to really press Luis were both Lea and myself

I think it's cute but come on man

Camarija posted...

you would have investigated Luis' posts for information and associations

what do you think I just did

Camarija posted...

You just clearly haven't been solving

what do you think I have been doing all day
First two days I'll give you I was off my game but I have been working my butt off now that I am home and have a day off and a computer to work on
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Hbthebattle posted...

How does it? Cam saw a villain in his role PM, got confused and asked about lost wolves. Is that out of character for him?

Why would anyone ever assume a flavor split based on their flavor and what does that have to do with hinting to his role? Lost Wolf being a hint to his role means he is mafia.
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