Board 8 > POLL: Should transgenders be allowed to participate in women's sports?

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Lopen 07/10/19 8:24:34 PM #252:	I mean I just haven't seen you debunk the advantage, is all. You're generally going with the "there aren't many trans athletes so who cares" or "women and men's divisions are about inclusion first" or "the advantage isn't significant!" (Citation needed) These are viable counterpoints on the macro level of the argument as a whole but don't really address what Corrik is having a problem with directly, which for me is the most important part because keeping the competition fair is the most important thing, to me. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924517627] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I mean I just haven't seen you debunk the advantage, is all. You're generally going with the "there aren't many trans athletes so who cares" or "women and men's divisions are about inclusion first" or "the advantage isn't significant!" (Citation needed) These are viable counterpoints on the macro level of the argument as a whole but don't really address what Corrik is having a problem with directly, which for me is the most important part because keeping the competition fair is the most important thing, to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 8:25:26 PM #253:	We already have proof a near worst division 2 runner is a top 3 division 1 runner after transitioning. but are there not way more who transitioned who arent at that level I need some sort of data on percentages here. Obviously 100% of transwomen arent just blowing out the ciswomen. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924517668] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><quote>We already have proof a near worst division 2 runner is a top 3 division 1 runner after transitioning. </quote> but are there not way more who transitioned who arent at that level I need some sort of data on percentages here. Obviously 100% of transwomen arent just blowing out the ciswomen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:29:03 PM #254:	How is it not fair to include an athlete who wont win? And if she does win, why is that any less fair than a cis woman born with similar advantages doing the same thing? You talked about the transitioning procedure earlier as being equivalent to steroids, when its the opposite. The procedure WEAKENS your strength and your muscle growth capacity. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517801] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>How is it not fair to include an athlete who wont win? And if she does win, why is that any less fair than a cis woman born with similar advantages doing the same thing? You talked about the transitioning procedure earlier as being equivalent to steroids, when its the opposite. The procedure WEAKENS your strength and your muscle growth capacity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:33:15 PM #255:	And I guess I shouldnt have time for anyone who cares about the purity of competition down to a chromosomal level over the actual struggle of real people for equality --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517949] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>And I guess I shouldnt have time for anyone who cares about the purity of competition down to a chromosomal level over the actual struggle of real people for equality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 8:37:47 PM #256:	Jakyl25 posted... You talked about the transitioning procedure earlier as being equivalent to steroids, when its the opposite. The procedure WEAKENS your strength and your muscle growth capacity. You're starting at higher parameters due to your biology though. The procedure weakens these but not by enough to put you on equal footing. It's basically just backwards steroids-- net effect is the same. You get a procedure to weaken you that, in spite of this, still puts you at a higher base level, so with the help of drugs and whatnot you're qualifying into a division you wouldn't normally be able to. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924518097] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>You talked about the transitioning procedure earlier as being equivalent to steroids, when its the opposite. The procedure WEAKENS your strength and your muscle growth capacity.</quote> You're starting at higher parameters due to your biology though. The procedure weakens these but not by enough to put you on equal footing. It's basically just backwards steroids-- net effect is the same. You get a procedure to weaken you that, in spite of this, still puts you at a higher base level, so with the help of drugs and whatnot you're qualifying into a division you wouldn't normally be able to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:38:59 PM #257:	Jakyl25 posted... And I guess I shouldnt have time for anyone who cares about the purity of competition down to a chromosomal level over the actual struggle of real people for equality Who are you to assume equality for your cause you choose to support, transgender, supersedes the rights of women itself. That the rights of the severe minority should impugn the rights of a majority. Not equalize, but be a detriment to their rights. You aren't arguing for equality. You are arguing for special treatment. Just like with affirmative action, reparations, etc. These aren't equality arguments. These are special treatment arguments. You are unbalancing women's sports, creating records that could never be beaten by a natural woman, and possibly harming women. The fact that there are literally no guidelines for transgender men and there are for transgender women is a straight up marker for the difference that exists. At the very best, you need significantly more research to know exactly what you are allowing here. And, already you have Rachel McKinnon (The Bicyclist champion) stating that forcing testosterone levels on trasngender women to compete is a violation of human rights and unequal treatment with women. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924518141] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>And I guess I shouldnt have time for anyone who cares about the purity of competition down to a chromosomal level over the actual struggle of real people for equality</quote> Who are you to assume equality for your cause you choose to support, transgender, supersedes the rights of women itself. That the rights of the severe minority should impugn the rights of a majority. Not equalize, but be a detriment to their rights. You aren't arguing for equality. You are arguing for special treatment. Just like with affirmative action, reparations, etc. These aren't equality arguments. These are special treatment arguments. You are unbalancing women's sports, creating records that could never be beaten by a natural woman, and possibly harming women. The fact that there are literally no guidelines for transgender men and there are for transgender women is a straight up marker for the difference that exists. At the very best, you need significantly more research to know exactly what you are allowing here. And, already you have Rachel McKinnon (The Bicyclist champion) stating that forcing testosterone levels on trasngender women to compete is a violation of human rights and unequal treatment with women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:42:07 PM #258:	Like, is it okay a transgender man can never win a championship in men's sports? And, why do you think they never will? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924518255] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Like, is it okay a transgender man can never win a championship in men's sports? And, why do you think they never will?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 8:43:16 PM #259:	Jakyl25 posted... over the actual struggle of real people for equality What I'm arguing is equality. They're treated as women just as they should be. They also have artificial boosts over the field caused as a result of medical procedures allowing them to qualify for a division they would not normally be allowed to and so are disqualified, just as a woman who took steroids would be. What you're arguing is not equality. It's ignoring reality in the name of trying to create an artificial sense of acceptance that just shouldn't be there in this instance, being impartial with respect to advantages generated from things that are not training or biology. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924518297] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> over the actual struggle of real people for equality</quote> What I'm arguing is equality. They're treated as women just as they should be. They also have artificial boosts over the field caused as a result of medical procedures allowing them to qualify for a division they would not normally be allowed to and so are disqualified, just as a woman who took steroids would be. What you're arguing is not equality. It's ignoring reality in the name of trying to create an artificial sense of acceptance that just shouldn't be there in this instance, being impartial with respect to advantages generated from things that are not training or biology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:43:16 PM #260:	Im not removing any womens right to compete, Corrik. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924518298] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Im not removing any womens right to compete, Corrik.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:45:27 PM #261:	And the idea that now you want to invoke affirmative action and reparations into your tirades really makes me think I need to leave for my own mental health --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924518386] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>And the idea that now you want to invoke affirmative action and reparations into your tirades really makes me think I need to leave for my own mental health</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:45:43 PM #262:	Jakyl25 posted... Im not removing any womens right to compete, Corrik. You are removing their rights to fairly compete. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924518394] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Im not removing any womens right to compete, Corrik.</quote> You are removing their rights to fairly compete.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:47:48 PM #263:	Jakyl25 posted... And the idea that now you want to invoke affirmative action and reparations into your tirades really makes me think I need to leave for my own mental health Well, if you are that mentally unstable and unhinged, then you shouldn't be arguing with anyone anyways. Like, it isn't difficult. There are biological differences. It is the reason the divisions were made in the first place. This isn't hard. It is why like 80% voted no here. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924518486] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>And the idea that now you want to invoke affirmative action and reparations into your tirades really makes me think I need to leave for my own mental health</quote> Well, if you are that mentally unstable and unhinged, then you shouldn't be arguing with anyone anyways. Like, it isn't difficult. There are biological differences. It is the reason the divisions were made in the first place. This isn't hard. It is why like 80% voted no here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 8:53:32 PM #264:	You aren't arguing for equality. You are arguing for special treatment. its an argument to treat transwomen the same as ciswomen. It is totally an argument for equality. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924518704] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><quote>You aren't arguing for equality. You are arguing for special treatment.</quote> its an argument to treat transwomen the same as ciswomen. It is totally an argument for equality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:57:52 PM #265:	MoogleKupo141 posted... You aren't arguing for equality. You are arguing for special treatment. its an argument to treat transwomen the same as ciswomen. It is totally an argument for equality. They are not the same as biological women because they are biologically different. Maybe with a tons of research and time that is a possibility (unlikely), but the facts are the facts and that is why I believe it is something we have to accept and be working to properly explain that to those who transition. I mean, in all reality there should be transgender women and transgender men leagues separately, possibly even jointly. There is not transgender people to support them though, unfortunately. We can try to fit square pegs into circles all day, but they aren't gonna happen. There are biological differences. I know they suffer from gender dysphoria, but this is where we need to be properly advising those who wish to transition of what to actually expect when they do. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924518897] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>You aren't arguing for equality. You are arguing for special treatment.</quote> its an argument to treat transwomen the same as ciswomen. It is totally an argument for equality.</quote> They are not the same as biological women because they are biologically different. Maybe with a tons of research and time that is a possibility (unlikely), but the facts are the facts and that is why I believe it is something we have to accept and be working to properly explain that to those who transition. I mean, in all reality there should be transgender women and transgender men leagues separately, possibly even jointly. There is not transgender people to support them though, unfortunately. We can try to fit square pegs into circles all day, but they aren't gonna happen. There are biological differences. I know they suffer from gender dysphoria, but this is where we need to be properly advising those who wish to transition of what to actually expect when they do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 9:00:22 PM #266:	I mean you can certainly disagree that maintaining fairness in the division is the most important thing. I do think that trying to break apart fairness in the name of 'equality' above all else would cause more harm than good-- but again that's a pragmatism thing which you don't like. I just really dislike the idea that corrik's argument is driven by bigotry because he didn't tiptoe around words well enough. It's clear enough from context what he meant and his argument doesn't seem born of malice towards trans women. I haven't seen any sports purist that doesn't argue the same thing he does. To me that's the most important argument so it's the one I tend to incline towards, but may not be for you. Which is fine! It's a nuanced subject. I just think there are a lot of things you can fight for equality on and sports is sort of a "pick your battles cause you seem to be just wrong on this one." Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough. Same kinda deal here. Sometimes your problems rob certain opportunities from you and you just gotta roll with the punches. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924518981] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I mean you can certainly disagree that maintaining fairness in the division is the most important thing. I do think that trying to break apart fairness in the name of 'equality' above all else would cause more harm than good-- but again that's a pragmatism thing which you don't like. I just really dislike the idea that corrik's argument is driven by bigotry because he didn't tiptoe around words well enough. It's clear enough from context what he meant and his argument doesn't seem born of malice towards trans women. I haven't seen any sports purist that doesn't argue the same thing he does. To me that's the most important argument so it's the one I tend to incline towards, but may not be for you. Which is fine! It's a nuanced subject. I just think there are a lot of things you can fight for equality on and sports is sort of a "pick your battles cause you seem to be just wrong on this one." Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough. Same kinda deal here. Sometimes your problems rob certain opportunities from you and you just gotta roll with the punches.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:06:10 PM #267:	Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2792241-blake-griffin-on-going-to-therapy-theyre-helping-you-find-those-answers --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924519228] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><quote>Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough.</quote> https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2792241-blake-griffin-on-going-to-therapy-theyre-helping-you-find-those-answers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 9:06:27 PM #268:	Corrik7 posted... I mean, in all reality there should be transgender women and transgender men leagues separately, possibly even jointly. This is an incredibly dumb idea. You should know better. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924519238] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, in all reality there should be transgender women and transgender men leagues separately, possibly even jointly. </quote> This is an incredibly dumb idea. You should know better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 9:07:51 PM #269:	TheRock1525 posted... Corrik7 posted... I mean, in all reality there should be transgender women and transgender men leagues separately, possibly even jointly. This is an incredibly dumb idea. You should know better. I mean, yeah. It is an impossible idea. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924519278] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, in all reality there should be transgender women and transgender men leagues separately, possibly even jointly. </quote> This is an incredibly dumb idea. You should know better.</quote> I mean, yeah. It is an impossible idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:09:08 PM #270:	Also theres a huge fucking difference between mental health problems holding you back and systemic discrimination that doesnt allow you to compete --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924519328] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Also theres a huge fucking difference between mental health problems holding you back and systemic discrimination that doesnt allow you to compete</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 9:09:41 PM #271:	It's conceptually dumb. It being "impossible" is the least of its worries. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924519343] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>It's conceptually dumb. It being "impossible" is the least of its worries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 9:09:56 PM #272:	It is not discrimination to want the division of sports created completely for women to have a fair and safe place to compete to remain that way. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924519350] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>It is not discrimination to want the division of sports created completely for women to have a fair and safe place to compete to remain that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/10/19 9:11:58 PM #273:	Corrik7 posted... It is not discrimination to want the division of sports created completely for women to have a fair and safe place to compete to remain that way. Apparently it is --- Ironically, the best kart racer to ever grace a Nintendo console is indeed a PSX era classic - Crash Team Racing - IGN <cite>Yao posted [p:924519456] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not discrimination to want the division of sports created completely for women to have a fair and safe place to compete to remain that way.</quote> Apparently it is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 9:16:00 PM #274:	Jakyl25 posted... Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2792241-blake-griffin-on-going-to-therapy-theyre-helping-you-find-those-answers Not to belittle his problems but I doubt they're anywhere near the level of stuff that trans people are going through. You wouldn't even get to the NBA. You just wouldn't have the sustained composure to hack it that long. Like I consider myself fairly well behaved mentally and even I've had "bouts with depression" before. Depression is not some sorta thing that everyone experiences equally. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924519642] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough.</quote> https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2792241-blake-griffin-on-going-to-therapy-theyre-helping-you-find-those-answers</quote> Not to belittle his problems but I doubt they're anywhere near the level of stuff that trans people are going through. You wouldn't even get to the NBA. You just wouldn't have the sustained composure to hack it that long. Like I consider myself fairly well behaved mentally and even I've had "bouts with depression" before. Depression is not some sorta thing that everyone experiences equally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:22:10 PM #275:	Wait, you meant that mental health statement as another thing trans people have to deal with in sports and not as an analogy using other people who might struggle to participate in sports? That is TOTALLY not how I read it and now I dont even understand what youre trying to say if youre saying trans athletes are also burdened by mental health issues cis women arent that affect their ability to be competitive. That seems to only hurt your own argument --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924519878] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Wait, you meant that mental health statement as another thing trans people have to deal with in sports and not as an analogy using other people who might struggle to participate in sports? That is TOTALLY not how I read it and now I dont even understand what youre trying to say if youre saying trans athletes are also burdened by mental health issues cis women arent that affect their ability to be competitive. That seems to only hurt your own argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 9:24:08 PM #276:	Jakyl25 posted... Wait, you meant that mental health statement as another thing trans people have to deal with in sports and not as an analogy using other people who might struggle to participate in sports? That is TOTALLY not how I read it and now I dont even understand what youre trying to say if youre saying trans athletes are also burdened by mental health issues cis women arent that affect their ability to be competitive. That seems to only hurt your own argument He is saying gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It wouldn't be the first mental illness to preclude someone from playing sports. Basically. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924519967] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, you meant that mental health statement as another thing trans people have to deal with in sports and not as an analogy using other people who might struggle to participate in sports? That is TOTALLY not how I read it and now I dont even understand what youre trying to say if youre saying trans athletes are also burdened by mental health issues cis women arent that affect their ability to be competitive. That seems to only hurt your own argument</quote> He is saying gender dysphoria is a mental illness. It wouldn't be the first mental illness to preclude someone from playing sports. Basically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:26:00 PM #277:	Its not a mental illness --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924520027] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Its not a mental illness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 9:29:10 PM #278:	Jakyl25 posted... Its not a mental illness You will get arguments on that. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924520146] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Its not a mental illness</quote> You will get arguments on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:37:28 PM #279:	Not factual ones --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924520467] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Not factual ones</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 9:45:38 PM #280:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Its not a mental illness You will get arguments on that. Okay lol. The WHO just removed it as a mental illness less than like 45 days ago. Doesn't mean there is not debate regarding it. Did you opinion change in the past couple of months? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924520799] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Its not a mental illness</quote> You will get arguments on that.</quote> Okay lol. The WHO just removed it as a mental illness less than like 45 days ago. Doesn't mean there is not debate regarding it. Did you opinion change in the past couple of months?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 9:51:42 PM #281:	Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924521032] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:52:36 PM #282:	Corrik7 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Its not a mental illness You will get arguments on that. Okay lol. The WHO just removed it as a mental illness less than like 45 days ago. Doesn't mean there is not debate regarding it. Did you opinion change in the past couple of months? My opinion changed when the DSM-V came out and reclassified it Wiki says that was 2013 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924521065] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Its not a mental illness</quote> You will get arguments on that.</quote> Okay lol. The WHO just removed it as a mental illness less than like 45 days ago. Doesn't mean there is not debate regarding it. Did you opinion change in the past couple of months?</quote> My opinion changed when the DSM-V came out and reclassified it Wiki says that was 2013</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:54:22 PM #283:	Lopen posted... Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will. Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924521141] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will.</quote> Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 9:55:48 PM #284:	Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted... Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will. Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness? How can your mind thinking you are something you are not not be a mental illness? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924521186] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will.</quote> Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?</quote> How can your mind thinking you are something you are not not be a mental illness?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 9:57:05 PM #285:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted... Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will. Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness? How can your mind thinking you are something you are not not be a mental illness? Lopen seriously how can you see this shit and not think it comes from a place of bigotry? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924521233] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will.</quote> Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?</quote> How can your mind thinking you are something you are not not be a mental illness?</quote> Lopen seriously how can you see this shit and not think it comes from a place of bigotry?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 10:01:43 PM #286:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted... Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will. Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness? How can your mind thinking you are something you are not not be a mental illness? Lopen seriously how can you see this shit and not think it comes from a place of bigotry? Gee whiz the bigotry wagon again. Who didn't see that coming. It is ironic though that by the WHO making that decision that many who have gender dysphoria may not be able to get the help they could have otherwise. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924521414] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will.</quote> Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?</quote> How can your mind thinking you are something you are not not be a mental illness?</quote> Lopen seriously how can you see this shit and not think it comes from a place of bigotry?</quote> Gee whiz the bigotry wagon again. Who didn't see that coming. It is ironic though that by the WHO making that decision that many who have gender dysphoria may not be able to get the help they could have otherwise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 10:06:28 PM #287:	Corrik7 posted... It is not discrimination to want the division of sports created completely for women to have a fair and safe place to compete to remain that way. Sports are inherently unfair. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924521595] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not discrimination to want the division of sports created completely for women to have a fair and safe place to compete to remain that way.</quote> Sports are inherently unfair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 07/10/19 10:07:08 PM #288:	Corrik7 posted... Who didn't see that coming Literally you --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:924521628] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Who didn't see that coming</quote> Literally you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 10:09:46 PM #289:	Jakyl25 posted... Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness? All sorts of things can cause anxiety to the point where it'd be classified as a disorder and a lot of it is just life being hard. It really doesn't have to be caused by a wacky brain chemistry thing. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924521713] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?</quote> All sorts of things can cause anxiety to the point where it'd be classified as a disorder and a lot of it is just life being hard. It really doesn't have to be caused by a wacky brain chemistry thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 10:10:43 PM #290:	foolm0r0n posted... Corrik7 posted... Who didn't see that coming Literally you But, I did! --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924521754] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Who didn't see that coming</quote> Literally you</quote> But, I did! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 10:19:10 PM #291:	Lopen posted... Jakyl25 posted... Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness? All sorts of things can cause anxiety to the point where it'd be classified as a disorder and a lot of it is just life being hard. It really doesn't have to be caused by a wacky brain chemistry thing. Okay is this getting into some sort of weird holistic medicine thing? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924522059] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?</quote> All sorts of things can cause anxiety to the point where it'd be classified as a disorder and a lot of it is just life being hard. It really doesn't have to be caused by a wacky brain chemistry thing.</quote> Okay is this getting into some sort of weird holistic medicine thing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 07/10/19 11:27:31 PM #293:	It is not about winning. It is about inclusion. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924524582] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>It is not about winning. It is about inclusion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yao 07/10/19 11:37:27 PM #296:	Corrik7 posted... It is not about winning. It is about inclusion. Apparently near death experience and fractured skulls dont matter. Equal right equal fights I guess in the name of inclusion --- Ironically, the best kart racer to ever grace a Nintendo console is indeed a PSX era classic - Crash Team Racing - IGN <cite>Yao posted [p:924524988] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not about winning. It is about inclusion. </quote> Apparently near death experience and fractured skulls dont matter. Equal right equal fights I guess in the name of inclusion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 11:45:06 PM #297:	Yao posted... Apparently near death experience and fractured skulls dont matter. Those happen with or without the involvement of transgender men and women. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924525257] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently near death experience and fractured skulls dont matter. </quote> Those happen with or without the involvement of transgender men and women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 11:53:35 PM #298:	Yao posted... Corrik7 posted... It is not about winning. It is about inclusion. Apparently near death experience and fractured skulls dont matter. Equal right equal fights I guess in the name of inclusion I looked at this cool list of worst mma injuries and apparently fractured skulls happen when two people of the same biological sex fight each other too https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/mma/10-of-the-worst-injuries-in-mma-history/9 and as far as I can tell Fallon didnt shatter the skullls of any of the other women she fought. She even lost one of her six professional fights. maybe thats just a risk of being in a situation where peoples knees are meeting peoples skulls and not about her being transgender ? im not actually a bone scientist so I dont know --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924525568] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>It is not about winning. It is about inclusion. </quote> Apparently near death experience and fractured skulls dont matter. Equal right equal fights I guess in the name of inclusion</quote> I looked at this cool list of worst mma injuries and apparently fractured skulls happen when two people of the same biological sex fight each other too https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/mma/10-of-the-worst-injuries-in-mma-history/9 and as far as I can tell Fallon didnt shatter the skullls of any of the other women she fought. She even lost one of her six professional fights. maybe thats just a risk of being in a situation where peoples knees are meeting peoples skulls and not about her being transgender ? im not actually a bone scientist so I dont know</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/11/19 12:38:21 AM #299:	Any bonerologists in the house? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924527083] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Any bonerologists in the house?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 07/11/19 12:53:58 AM #300:	Corrik7 posted... But, I did! You've made 100+ posts itt and only like 3 have been called bigoted. It's pretty clear what the pattern is in those posts if you go read them, but you are definitely surprised when it happens. Either you are accidentally making some bigoted posts, or you are accidentally being way less bigoted in 97% of this discussion than your persona is trying to be. Either way people are giving you a huge benefit of the doubt for the inclusive language. But I use this technique a lot, especially with bigots, and it doesn't really go anywhere. It's a lot of engagement, but real shallow. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:924527511] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>But, I did!</quote> You've made 100+ posts itt and only like 3 have been called bigoted. It's pretty clear what the pattern is in those posts if you go read them, but you are definitely surprised when it happens. Either you are accidentally making some bigoted posts, or you are accidentally being way less bigoted in 97% of this discussion than your persona is trying to be. Either way people are giving you a huge benefit of the doubt for the inclusive language. But I use this technique a lot, especially with bigots, and it doesn't really go anywhere. It's a lot of engagement, but real shallow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/11/19 1:32:26 AM #301:	foolm0r0n posted... Corrik7 posted... But, I did! You've made 100+ posts itt and only like 3 have been called bigoted. It's pretty clear what the pattern is in those posts if you go read them, but you are definitely surprised when it happens. Either you are accidentally making some bigoted posts, or you are accidentally being way less bigoted in 97% of this discussion than your persona is trying to be. Either way people are giving you a huge benefit of the doubt for the inclusive language. But I use this technique a lot, especially with bigots, and it doesn't really go anywhere. It's a lot of engagement, but real shallow. The problem is people who view themselves as right and everyone who disagrees as a bigot or a Nazi or alt-right or racist or etc. It really isn't hard to hold a conversation with someone without accusing them of something lol. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924528456] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>But, I did!</quote> You've made 100+ posts itt and only like 3 have been called bigoted. It's pretty clear what the pattern is in those posts if you go read them, but you are definitely surprised when it happens. Either you are accidentally making some bigoted posts, or you are accidentally being way less bigoted in 97% of this discussion than your persona is trying to be. Either way people are giving you a huge benefit of the doubt for the inclusive language. But I use this technique a lot, especially with bigots, and it doesn't really go anywhere. It's a lot of engagement, but real shallow.</quote> The problem is people who view themselves as right and everyone who disagrees as a bigot or a Nazi or alt-right or racist or etc. It really isn't hard to hold a conversation with someone without accusing them of something lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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