Board 8 > POLL: Should transgenders be allowed to participate in women's sports?

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MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 11:50:22 AM #102:	if your response was had just been the word no maybe your post would have a point --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924495984] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>if your response was had just been the word no maybe your post would have a point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 12:19:54 PM #103:	Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924497203] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 12:22:09 PM #104:	Corrik7 posted... I like when I respond everyone is up in arms, yet the poll was nearly 78% no. On a forum where I would expect the results to skew closer to yes than actual America would. Which just shows how far we have to go to keep fighting --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924497294] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>I like when I respond everyone is up in arms, yet the poll was nearly 78% no. On a forum where I would expect the results to skew closer to yes than actual America would.</quote> Which just shows how far we have to go to keep fighting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 1:11:08 PM #105:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Yes, it obviously is. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924499367] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Yes, it obviously is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/10/19 1:40:33 PM #106:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree --- Ironically, the best kart racer to ever grace a Nintendo console is indeed a PSX era classic - Crash Team Racing - IGN <cite>Yao posted [p:924500709] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 2:45:00 PM #107:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Yes, it obviously is. Explain. They dont dominate the competition. They lose a lot more than they win. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924503535] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Yes, it obviously is.</quote> Explain. They dont dominate the competition. They lose a lot more than they win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 2:47:29 PM #108:	Yao posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree Do you have cases where a cisgender athlete has lost a scholarship to a transgender athlete? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924503655] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree</quote> Do you have cases where a cisgender athlete has lost a scholarship to a transgender athlete?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 2:59:58 PM #109:	Yao posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree in this sense every person who is better than you at a sport competing in that sport is a detriment to you but somehow only trans people are the issue --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924504260] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree</quote> in this sense every person who is better than you at a sport competing in that sport is a detriment to you but somehow only trans people are the issue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/10/19 3:10:35 PM #110:	ban tall people from basketball, they have an inherent advantage --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:924504702] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>ban tall people from basketball, they have an inherent advantage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 3:24:22 PM #111:	No one over 6 feet allowed in the NBA. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924505332] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>No one over 6 feet allowed in the NBA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 3:37:00 PM #112:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Yes, it obviously is. Explain. They dont dominate the competition. They lose a lot more than they win. It doesn't matter. Sports are separated by sex. You are allowing crossing of separation which the entire distinction is made for. The average male has more muscle mass and strength than an average female. Sure you can find some overlap where it isn't always the case, but generally that is just how it is. Body chemistry and structure is inherently different. So you have the female division. Which is there just because it makes it fairer for them to compete. If a female is trying to transition to a male they obviously have to be banned from female sports. Despite it being their designated division. What is used to transition is banned by sports. Simple as that. So then it comes about can makes be allowed to compete in female sports if they transition and they keep their levels down to an acceptable female range. The answer is no. The entire reason female sports exists is to give females the opportunity to play sports and compete in sports they would have no chance in against males in average competition and to not make injury as likely. Males body structure and chemistry is simply different. Not only should males not be allowed to play on a division separated for purely females based on the reason of its existence alone, it also should not be allowed due to a fairness situation. https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/ ^ Just an idea of the anatomical differences. Men are on average stronger, faster, have more muscle, stronger ligaments, etc. Just because you can point out to some examples doesn't change the fact that if you take an above average male and put him in a female division, he will likely dominate the females in most sports. It is why seeing stuff such as in Connecticut state records for females being broken by transgender athletes and finishing 1-2 in events. https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/06/13/transgender-track-athletes-win-connecticut-state-championship-debate-ensues/ They re-broke the records in 2019. "One of their competitors, Selina Soule, says the issue is about fairness on the track with wider implications. The Glastonbury High School junior finished eighth in the 55, missing out on qualifying for the New England regionals by two spots. Soule believes that had Miller and Yearwood not run, she would be on her way to race in Boston in front of more college coaches." And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924505878] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Yes, it obviously is.</quote> Explain. They dont dominate the competition. They lose a lot more than they win.</quote> It doesn't matter. Sports are separated by sex. You are allowing crossing of separation which the entire distinction is made for. The average male has more muscle mass and strength than an average female. Sure you can find some overlap where it isn't always the case, but generally that is just how it is. Body chemistry and structure is inherently different. So you have the female division. Which is there just because it makes it fairer for them to compete. If a female is trying to transition to a male they obviously have to be banned from female sports. Despite it being their designated division. What is used to transition is banned by sports. Simple as that. So then it comes about can makes be allowed to compete in female sports if they transition and they keep their levels down to an acceptable female range. The answer is no. The entire reason female sports exists is to give females the opportunity to play sports and compete in sports they would have no chance in against males in average competition and to not make injury as likely. Males body structure and chemistry is simply different. Not only should males not be allowed to play on a division separated for purely females based on the reason of its existence alone, it also should not be allowed due to a fairness situation. https://fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences/ ^ Just an idea of the anatomical differences. Men are on average stronger, faster, have more muscle, stronger ligaments, etc. Just because you can point out to some examples doesn't change the fact that if you take an above average male and put him in a female division, he will likely dominate the females in most sports. It is why seeing stuff such as in Connecticut state records for females being broken by transgender athletes and finishing 1-2 in events. https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/06/13/transgender-track-athletes-win-connecticut-state-championship-debate-ensues/ They re-broke the records in 2019. "One of their competitors, Selina Soule, says the issue is about fairness on the track with wider implications. The Glastonbury High School junior finished eighth in the 55, missing out on qualifying for the New England regionals by two spots. Soule believes that had Miller and Yearwood not run, she would be on her way to race in Boston in front of more college coaches." And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 3:43:58 PM #113:	Corrik7 posted... Sports are separated by sex. Why? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924506147] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Sports are separated by sex.</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 3:44:44 PM #114:	And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex. wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924506184] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><quote>And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex.</quote> wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 3:46:27 PM #115:	MoogleKupo141 posted... And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex. wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male Did you read below the link? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924506247] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex.</quote> wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male</quote> Did you read below the link?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 3:48:26 PM #116:	Corrik7 posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex. wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male Did you read below the link? I couldnt parse what in the opposite direction of performing in biological sex meant is the article supporting your point somehow --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924506341] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex.</quote> wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male</quote> Did you read below the link?</quote> I couldnt parse what in the opposite direction of performing in biological sex meant is the article supporting your point somehow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 3:59:53 PM #117:	There is CeCe Telfer. Who ranked 390th of 400 in men's D2. And is now the third fastest runner in women's at any level and winning national championships. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05/what-no-one-is-telling-you-an-athlete-who-ran-ncaa-track-as-a-man-for-3-years-just-won-an-ncaa-womens-title/ https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/25/ncaa-transgender-franklin-pierce/ Rachel McKinnon -women's world cyclist winner Laurel Hubbard breaking all women's records in power lifting and shoo-in for a gold medal until injury. What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women. It isn't a chasm of gap between male and females. It is overlapping circles where the top women can outperform the bottom of men to a certain point, but women can never attain the top a man can. This is what let's less than average men compete so high in women's sports. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924506851] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>There is CeCe Telfer. Who ranked 390th of 400 in men's D2. And is now the third fastest runner in women's at any level and winning national championships. https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05/what-no-one-is-telling-you-an-athlete-who-ran-ncaa-track-as-a-man-for-3-years-just-won-an-ncaa-womens-title/ https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/25/ncaa-transgender-franklin-pierce/ Rachel McKinnon -women's world cyclist winner Laurel Hubbard breaking all women's records in power lifting and shoo-in for a gold medal until injury. What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women. It isn't a chasm of gap between male and females. It is overlapping circles where the top women can outperform the bottom of men to a certain point, but women can never attain the top a man can. This is what let's less than average men compete so high in women's sports.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 4:00:27 PM #118:	MoogleKupo141 posted... Corrik7 posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex. wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male Did you read below the link? I couldnt parse what in the opposite direction of performing in biological sex meant is the article supporting your point somehow Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924506875] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>And https://usatodayhss.com/2018/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-booed In the opposite direction of performing in biological sex.</quote> wait this is a case for letting transgender people play against their non-biological sex... this is a biological female beating girls because she is transitioning to male</quote> Did you read below the link?</quote> I couldnt parse what in the opposite direction of performing in biological sex meant is the article supporting your point somehow</quote> Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 4:03:50 PM #119:	TheRock1525 posted... No one over 6 feet allowed in the NBA. Good example almost. It would be like allowing Yao Ming into a league that was for dwarves. It would be like allowing a 15 year old into a 7 year olds division. They are separated for a reason. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924507018] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>No one over 6 feet allowed in the NBA.</quote> Good example almost. It would be like allowing Yao Ming into a league that was for dwarves. It would be like allowing a 15 year old into a 7 year olds division. They are separated for a reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 07/10/19 4:25:42 PM #120:	Corrik is arguing for biological separation by measuring testosterone levels etc which is pretty logical --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:924508003] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Corrik is arguing for biological separation by measuring testosterone levels etc which is pretty logical</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/10/19 4:49:03 PM #121:	Corrik7 posted... It would be like allowing a 15 year old into a 7 year olds division. Because 15 year olds are in high school and 7 year olds are in elementary school. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:924509090] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>It would be like allowing a 15 year old into a 7 year olds division. </quote> Because 15 year olds are in high school and 7 year olds are in elementary school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 5:15:22 PM #122:	Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post. that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women. biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924510191] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><quote>Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post.</quote> that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. <quote>What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women.</quote> biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:19:05 PM #123:	MoogleKupo141 posted... Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post. that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women. biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? A mediocre man should be able to be a Woman's World Champion instead of a woman who worked tirelessly for years and outperformed other women to win? Nothing gross about it. Your biological sex is your sex. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924510335] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post.</quote> that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. <quote>What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women.</quote> biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there</quote> So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? A mediocre man should be able to be a Woman's World Champion instead of a woman who worked tirelessly for years and outperformed other women to win? Nothing gross about it. Your biological sex is your sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:20:14 PM #124:	Corrik7 posted... unfairly pushing out actual women. sigh --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924510382] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>unfairly pushing out actual women.</quote> sigh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 5:20:47 PM #125:	So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? no im saying women, which trans women are, should be able to take accolades from other women --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924510399] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><quote>So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women?</quote> no im saying women, which trans women are, should be able to take accolades from other women</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:21:58 PM #126:	MoogleKupo141 posted... So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? no im saying women, which trans women are, should be able to take accolades from other women You can think that if you wish. However, don't be surprised when you are a very slim minority in that thinking. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924510442] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women?</quote> no im saying women, which trans women are, should be able to take accolades from other women</quote> You can think that if you wish. However, don't be surprised when you are a very slim minority in that thinking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 07/10/19 5:22:51 PM #127:	Anyone who voted or would vote 'yes' should explain what the purpose of separating sports leagues by gender is in the first place --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:924510484] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who voted or would vote 'yes' should explain what the purpose of separating sports leagues by gender is in the first place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:24:09 PM #128:	Corrik7 posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post. that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women. biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? A mediocre man should be able to be a Woman's World Champion instead of a woman who worked tirelessly for years and outperformed other women to win? Nothing gross about it. Your biological sex is your sex. Wow just dropping all pretense and going straight for naked bigotry. Neat. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924510538] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post.</quote> that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. <quote>What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women.</quote> biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there</quote> So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? A mediocre man should be able to be a Woman's World Champion instead of a woman who worked tirelessly for years and outperformed other women to win? Nothing gross about it. Your biological sex is your sex.</quote> Wow just dropping all pretense and going straight for naked bigotry. Neat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:24:10 PM #129:	banananor posted... Anyone who voted or would vote 'yes' should explain what the purpose of separating sports leagues by gender is in the first place They think the separation doesn't matter as you can choose your gender. Thus, the separation still exists. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924510539] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone who voted or would vote 'yes' should explain what the purpose of separating sports leagues by gender is in the first place</quote> They think the separation doesn't matter as you can choose your gender. Thus, the separation still exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:26:49 PM #130:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post. that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women. biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? A mediocre man should be able to be a Woman's World Champion instead of a woman who worked tirelessly for years and outperformed other women to win? Nothing gross about it. Your biological sex is your sex. Wow just dropping all pretense and going straight for naked bigotry. Neat. Naked bigotry about what? No, transgender people don't actually change their sex by undergoing their sex change. It is common sense. They feel like the opposite sex, they wish to be treated as the opposite sex, and try appear as the opposite sex. A man doesn't become a woman and vice versa because they wish to. You are born the sex that you are. You can still treat that person nicely like you would any other human being. You can respect their wishes of how they wish to be treated. Why wouldn't you? But the end of the day, you are still the sex you were born. That isn't bigotry. That is actual facts. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924510650] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Yes, it doesn't work in either direction. As I mentioned in the above post.</quote> that article makes it sound like it totally works if you let transmen play with cisnmen. Making a transman compete against women was the problem. <quote>What people fail to explain in their arguments of NOT ALL TRANS WIN! Is that mediocre and below average athletes in the male division are winning or coming close to winning or doing far better in women's sports and are unfairly pushing out actual women.</quote> biological females would also be below average in the male division so why is that relevant are you suggesting that mediocre male athletes are pretending to have gender dismorphia so they win high school track events also gross phrasing with actual women there</quote> So you are saying below average men should be able to take accolades from women? A mediocre man should be able to be a Woman's World Champion instead of a woman who worked tirelessly for years and outperformed other women to win? Nothing gross about it. Your biological sex is your sex.</quote> Wow just dropping all pretense and going straight for naked bigotry. Neat.</quote> Naked bigotry about what? No, transgender people don't actually change their sex by undergoing their sex change. It is common sense. They feel like the opposite sex, they wish to be treated as the opposite sex, and try appear as the opposite sex. A man doesn't become a woman and vice versa because they wish to. You are born the sex that you are. You can still treat that person nicely like you would any other human being. You can respect their wishes of how they wish to be treated. Why wouldn't you? But the end of the day, you are still the sex you were born. That isn't bigotry. That is actual facts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:28:27 PM #131:	So basically you have no idea what being trans is --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924510726] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>So basically you have no idea what being trans is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:29:44 PM #132:	Jakyl25 posted... So basically you have no idea what being trans is I think you are ignoring facts to get where you want. But, hey, opinions can differ and what not. No big deal. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924510774] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So basically you have no idea what being trans is</quote> I think you are ignoring facts to get where you want. But, hey, opinions can differ and what not. No big deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:31:49 PM #133:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... So basically you have no idea what being trans is I think you are ignoring facts to get where you want. But, hey, opinions can differ and what not. No big deal. I dont think you understand what facts are --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924510867] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So basically you have no idea what being trans is</quote> I think you are ignoring facts to get where you want. But, hey, opinions can differ and what not. No big deal.</quote> I dont think you understand what facts are</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:33:04 PM #134:	For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924510920] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:34:43 PM #135:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... So basically you have no idea what being trans is I think you are ignoring facts to get where you want. But, hey, opinions can differ and what not. No big deal. I dont think you understand what facts are Okee dokee! Anyways, I think this discussion on this specific topic has ran its course when we are trying to change facts to what we want them to be! Anyways... --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924510993] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So basically you have no idea what being trans is</quote> I think you are ignoring facts to get where you want. But, hey, opinions can differ and what not. No big deal.</quote> I dont think you understand what facts are</quote> Okee dokee! Anyways, I think this discussion on this specific topic has ran its course when we are trying to change facts to what we want them to be! Anyways...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 07/10/19 5:36:40 PM #136:	I mean a real actual fact is that biological sex is distinct from gender identity --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:924511073] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I mean a real actual fact is that biological sex is distinct from gender identity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:36:45 PM #137:	Jakyl25 posted... For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924511078] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:39:05 PM #138:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not. Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924511180] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not.</quote> Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:44:00 PM #139:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not. Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924511357] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not.</quote> Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry</quote> They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:44:01 PM #140:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I mean a real actual fact is that biological sex is distinct from gender identity I have to believe he knows this and is deliberately being obtuse Weve been through this before Im pretty sure --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924511359] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean a real actual fact is that biological sex is distinct from gender identity</quote> I have to believe he knows this and is deliberately being obtuse Weve been through this before Im pretty sure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 5:46:48 PM #141:	Bigotry aside addressing Corrik's actual argument instead of calling for a bigotry witch hunt is probably more likely to produce useful discourse --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924511463] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Bigotry aside addressing Corrik's actual argument instead of calling for a bigotry witch hunt is probably more likely to produce useful discourse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:47:13 PM #142:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not. Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender. Okay, maybe you really dont understand that man/woman refers to gender and male/female refers to biological sex --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924511479] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not.</quote> Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry</quote> They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender.</quote> Okay, maybe you really dont understand that man/woman refers to gender and male/female refers to biological sex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:47:46 PM #143:	Lopen posted... Bigotry aside addressing Corrik's actual argument instead of calling for a bigotry witch hunt is probably more likely to produce useful discourse I cant. Im too mad. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924511507] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Bigotry aside addressing Corrik's actual argument instead of calling for a bigotry witch hunt is probably more likely to produce useful discourse</quote> I cant. Im too mad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:49:26 PM #144:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not. Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender. Okay, maybe you really dont understand that man/woman refers to gender and male/female refers to biological sex This is incorrect. Gender refers to social identity. Sex refers to actual biological identity. Sports divisions are separated by sex, not gender. They are just seen as the same thing for pretty much forever. Where the confusion for many even comes from. 99% of people when referring to men or women are referring to their sex. Not their social gender. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924511582] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not.</quote> Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry</quote> They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender.</quote> Okay, maybe you really dont understand that man/woman refers to gender and male/female refers to biological sex</quote> This is incorrect. Gender refers to social identity. Sex refers to actual biological identity. Sports divisions are separated by sex, not gender. They are just seen as the same thing for pretty much forever. Where the confusion for many even comes from. 99% of people when referring to men or women are referring to their sex. Not their social gender.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 5:52:07 PM #145:	So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924511678] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 07/10/19 5:52:59 PM #146:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not. Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender. Okay, maybe you really dont understand that man/woman refers to gender and male/female refers to biological sex Come on, this is the guy that spent how many posts arguing about "what incel actually means" even when it wasn't relevant at all to what anyone else was talking about. At least he'll respect trans people enough to refer to them as their preferred pronouns (or so he says). --- Change is weird. <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:924511716] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>For the record, when you call a trans woman a man, or you call a trans man a woman, and you know better, you are being a bigot</quote> Huh? I call a transgender person whatever they wish to be called. And have no problem with transgender people in any shape, way, or form. Do I think if they have to sign a legal form regarding their sex they should be signing it as what they wish to be called and be and not what they were born as? Absolutely not.</quote> Did you completely miss that entire post up there where you implied trans women werent actual women? Thats bigotry</quote> They are not actually women. That isn't bigotry. It is fact. You cannot change the sex you were born as. They wish to be accepted as a woman. Gender is a social construct. They wish to be socially acceptable as women. And, that is fine, and any decent person should have no problem with doing so when it is not a detriment to others. This is where this topic has always been. Banananor just stated this with asking you why have a women's division if it isn't just for women. You are saying transgender people can become women making the division still apt. But, you cannot change your biological sex. You are what you were born as. Just like I cannot become Black if I was born White. Or etc. You are born what you are born. You are talking about a social distinction in gender.</quote> Okay, maybe you really dont understand that man/woman refers to gender and male/female refers to biological sex</quote> Come on, this is the guy that spent how many posts arguing about "what incel actually means" even when it wasn't relevant at all to what anyone else was talking about. At least he'll respect trans people enough to refer to them as their preferred pronouns (or so he says).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 5:54:00 PM #147:	Lopen posted... So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female I don't know. They literally are jumping through hurdles. They have to know women's sports is intended for "females" and they weren't trying to dictate it was assigned by "gender" and not "sex" with the wording. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924511749] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female</quote> I don't know. They literally are jumping through hurdles. They have to know women's sports is intended for "females" and they weren't trying to dictate it was assigned by "gender" and not "sex" with the wording.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:55:41 PM #148:	Lopen posted... So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female If there was a good reason to make them male/female instead of men/women, anti-trans people would have already made that change --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924511828] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female</quote> If there was a good reason to make them male/female instead of men/women, anti-trans people would have already made that change</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 5:58:49 PM #149:	P sure Corrik was arguing there is a good reason to make that change before you charged at the red bigotry cape. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924511952] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>P sure Corrik was arguing there is a good reason to make that change before you charged at the red bigotry cape.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 07/10/19 5:59:36 PM #150:	Jakyl25 posted... Lopen posted... So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female If there was a good reason to make them male/female instead of men/women, anti-trans people would have already made that change Anti-trans people tend to think male/female and men/women mean the exact same thing, so why would they think any change is necessary? --- Change is weird. <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:924512003] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female</quote> If there was a good reason to make them male/female instead of men/women, anti-trans people would have already made that change</quote> Anti-trans people tend to think male/female and men/women mean the exact same thing, so why would they think any change is necessary?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 5:59:53 PM #151:	Corrik7 posted... Lopen posted... So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female I don't know. They literally are jumping through hurdles. They have to know women's sports is intended for "females" and they weren't trying to dictate it was assigned by "gender" and not "sex" with the wording. Your own definition of womens sports earlier was basically that it was a pity division for women who cant compete with men right? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924512011] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>So is Jakyl saying he'd agree with Corrik if divisions were male and female</quote> I don't know. They literally are jumping through hurdles. They have to know women's sports is intended for "females" and they weren't trying to dictate it was assigned by "gender" and not "sex" with the wording.</quote> Your own definition of womens sports earlier was basically that it was a pity division for women who cant compete with men right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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