Board 8 > POLL: Should transgenders be allowed to participate in women's sports?

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Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:07:28 PM #202:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Dude I just posted the IOC guidelines I know what the guidelines are. So you think a team of trans women, following the IOC doping guidelines and the IOC testosterone guidelines would dominate many sports, basically purely on bone structure and height --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924514702] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Dude I just posted the IOC guidelines</quote> I know what the guidelines are.</quote> So you think a team of trans women, following the IOC doping guidelines and the IOC testosterone guidelines would dominate many sports, basically purely on bone structure and height</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:08:59 PM #203:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Dude I just posted the IOC guidelines I know what the guidelines are. So you think a team of trans women, following the IOC doping guidelines and the IOC testosterone guidelines would dominate many sports, basically purely on bone structure and height Oh, yes, I think if Russia took volunteers from the men who almost made Olympics and designated them for 4 years and followed the guidelines for a year and presented them as the women's team that they might cleanly sweep the Olympics on the women's side (besides sports where this obviously isn't an advantage). --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924514759] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Dude I just posted the IOC guidelines</quote> I know what the guidelines are.</quote> So you think a team of trans women, following the IOC doping guidelines and the IOC testosterone guidelines would dominate many sports, basically purely on bone structure and height</quote> Oh, yes, I think if Russia took volunteers from the men who almost made Olympics and designated them for 4 years and followed the guidelines for a year and presented them as the women's team that they might cleanly sweep the Olympics on the women's side (besides sports where this obviously isn't an advantage).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 7:13:27 PM #204:	this sounds like a great plot for a new Cool Runnings movie oh no how will the Jamaican ladies bobsled team compete against the Russian trans uberwomen --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924514925] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>this sounds like a great plot for a new Cool Runnings movie oh no how will the Jamaican ladies bobsled team compete against the Russian trans uberwomen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 7:16:52 PM #205:	the US women have won gold for the last like 20 years in basketball, maybe some Russian government-created trans super soldiers would make things interesting again sounds good actually --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924515056] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>the US women have won gold for the last like 20 years in basketball, maybe some Russian government-created trans super soldiers would make things interesting again sounds good actually</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:17:34 PM #206:	MoogleKupo141 posted... this sounds like a great plot for a new Cool Runnings movie oh no how will the Jamaican ladies bobsled team compete against the Russian trans uberwomen Make it about surfing and call it Surf and TERFs --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515083] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>this sounds like a great plot for a new Cool Runnings movie oh no how will the Jamaican ladies bobsled team compete against the Russian trans uberwomen</quote> Make it about surfing and call it Surf and TERFs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:18:58 PM #207:	Also I like how the only reason Putin doesnt dominate womens sports is because he thinks trans people are gross --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515137] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Also I like how the only reason Putin doesnt dominate womens sports is because he thinks trans people are gross</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:19:29 PM #208:	MoogleKupo141 posted... the US women have won gold for the last like 20 years in basketball, maybe some Russian government-created trans super soldiers would make things interesting again sounds good actually Russian Women would win by like 80 in that scenario. And that would be the most Russia has probably ever followed Olympic rules ever. That said, the reason this wouldn't happen is social unacceptance. Russia would be the laughingstock to most the world. And, they would immediately ban this before it happened. There is a reason there is no restrictions for transgender man in men's division and restrictions for the women's. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924515162] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>the US women have won gold for the last like 20 years in basketball, maybe some Russian government-created trans super soldiers would make things interesting again sounds good actually</quote> Russian Women would win by like 80 in that scenario. And that would be the most Russia has probably ever followed Olympic rules ever. That said, the reason this wouldn't happen is social unacceptance. Russia would be the laughingstock to most the world. And, they would immediately ban this before it happened. There is a reason there is no restrictions for transgender man in men's division and restrictions for the women's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:21:14 PM #209:	But you still think its unsafe or unfair even with the restrictions! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515229] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>But you still think its unsafe or unfair even with the restrictions!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:21:33 PM #210:	Jakyl25 posted... But you still think its unsafe or unfair even with the restrictions! It is. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924515245] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>But you still think its unsafe or unfair even with the restrictions!</quote> It is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 7:22:11 PM #211:	Jakyl25 posted... I feel thats a moot point, since it happens so rarely that a trans athlete dominates amongst the thousands of them participating in sports that you cannot logically say that its due to their biology In some hypothetical universe where trans women dominated biological females, there would probably be enough trans women to start a different league So if this started happening you'd be for that division? I dunno I think what you're suggesting is kinda weird. Like, "they may dominate but so what there aren't very many right now" it seems really short sighted. Let's think about the ramifications that has on trans acceptance in general. It's a really easy, and by your own admission, not entirely inaccurate, narrative to spin that "this woman player is only good because they're trans" Do you think that's good publicity? I feel like it's always going to be an asterisk no matter how much societal acceptance there is, because it just straight up changes how effective someone is at the competition. Like I dunno I honestly feel like the people who think trans players should not compete in divisions that don't match their original biology have the more fundamentally sound arguments. Acceptance is fine in all things, until it interferes with the safety and competition in the activity. Then you have to just come to terms with the facts of the matter. Granted, there are inherent abuses in the system already for a lot of sports. Like, if you're going to crack down on whether man to woman trans should be able to compete with biological females you also need to deal with cutting weight as a thing, just as one example. But like, there are a ton of people who can't compete in sports, you know? For a variety of reasons. Saying a trans woman can't compete doesn't put her in a much worse place than 95% of people. It's just how the world is sometimes. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924515277] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel thats a moot point, since it happens so rarely that a trans athlete dominates amongst the thousands of them participating in sports that you cannot logically say that its due to their biology In some hypothetical universe where trans women dominated biological females, there would probably be enough trans women to start a different league </quote> So if this started happening you'd be for that division? I dunno I think what you're suggesting is kinda weird. Like, "they may dominate but so what there aren't very many right now" it seems really short sighted. Let's think about the ramifications that has on trans acceptance in general. It's a really easy, and by your own admission, not entirely inaccurate, narrative to spin that "this woman player is only good because they're trans" Do you think that's good publicity? I feel like it's always going to be an asterisk no matter how much societal acceptance there is, because it just straight up changes how effective someone is at the competition. Like I dunno I honestly feel like the people who think trans players should not compete in divisions that don't match their original biology have the more fundamentally sound arguments. Acceptance is fine in all things, until it interferes with the safety and competition in the activity. Then you have to just come to terms with the facts of the matter. Granted, there are inherent abuses in the system already for a lot of sports. Like, if you're going to crack down on whether man to woman trans should be able to compete with biological females you also need to deal with cutting weight as a thing, just as one example. But like, there are a ton of people who can't compete in sports, you know? For a variety of reasons. Saying a trans woman can't compete doesn't put her in a much worse place than 95% of people. It's just how the world is sometimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:22:30 PM #212:	You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515291] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:25:10 PM #213:	Jakyl25 posted... You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports? Is the IOC some magical god? Majority of Olympic athletes themselves disagree with it. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924515394] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports?</quote> Is the IOC some magical god? Majority of Olympic athletes themselves disagree with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:26:03 PM #214:	Lopen posted... I dunno I think what you're suggesting is kinda weird. Like, "they may dominate but so what there aren't very many right now" it seems really short sighted. Let's think about the ramifications that has on trans acceptance in general. It's a really easy, and by your own admission, not entirely inaccurate, narrative to spin that "this woman player is only good because they're trans" Do you think that's good publicity? I would rather people think that than not allowing them to compete under their gender identity And I think you misunderstood me. Im not saying oh they could dominate but they dont right now so its not an issue. The nature of transitioning basically ensures that it will NEVER be an issue. I humored the question into an answer about a hypothetical universe just for completionism --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515437] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote> I dunno I think what you're suggesting is kinda weird. Like, "they may dominate but so what there aren't very many right now" it seems really short sighted. Let's think about the ramifications that has on trans acceptance in general. It's a really easy, and by your own admission, not entirely inaccurate, narrative to spin that "this woman player is only good because they're trans" Do you think that's good publicity?</quote> I would rather people think that than not allowing them to compete under their gender identity And I think you misunderstood me. Im not saying oh they could dominate but they dont right now so its not an issue. The nature of transitioning basically ensures that it will NEVER be an issue. I humored the question into an answer about a hypothetical universe just for completionism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:26:21 PM #215:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports? Is the IOC some magical god? Majority of Olympic athletes themselves disagree with it. Source? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515449] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports?</quote> Is the IOC some magical god? Majority of Olympic athletes themselves disagree with it.</quote> Source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:31:01 PM #216:	Lopen I think youre approaching the issue differently than I and those that agree with me are. Correct me if Im wrong, but it comes across to me like your endgame with this whole debate is whats best for transgender acceptance? and so your approach (as usual) centers around pragmatism I dont believe in pragmatism or incrementalism when it comes to equal rights --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515615] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Lopen I think youre approaching the issue differently than I and those that agree with me are. Correct me if Im wrong, but it comes across to me like your endgame with this whole debate is whats best for transgender acceptance? and so your approach (as usual) centers around pragmatism I dont believe in pragmatism or incrementalism when it comes to equal rights</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:32:44 PM #217:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports? Is the IOC some magical god? Majority of Olympic athletes themselves disagree with it. Source? This first source is pro-your stance by the way, but also points out how actual women competing view this. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-athletes-make-great-gains-yet-resentment-still-flares-n975646 British Olympians against transgender athletes https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-sport/british-female-olympians-argue-against-unfair-trans-women-athletes-idUSKCN1QM25O And some will argue boohoo they are BIGOTS! Or is it, that they are women who trained their whole lives to be the best women in the world and can have it unfairly taken away by biological differences they cannot control? You will say where is the "majority" but come on. Surely that is understood. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924515683] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>You know better than the IOC regarding how to regulate sports?</quote> Is the IOC some magical god? Majority of Olympic athletes themselves disagree with it.</quote> Source?</quote> This first source is pro-your stance by the way, but also points out how actual women competing view this. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-athletes-make-great-gains-yet-resentment-still-flares-n975646 British Olympians against transgender athletes https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-sport/british-female-olympians-argue-against-unfair-trans-women-athletes-idUSKCN1QM25O And some will argue boohoo they are BIGOTS! Or is it, that they are women who trained their whole lives to be the best women in the world and can have it unfairly taken away by biological differences they cannot control? You will say where is the "majority" but come on. Surely that is understood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:35:21 PM #218:	Nope. If I said majority and you challenged me on it and I came back with that small amount of people, youd rightly call me out Some athletes dont agree with the IOC, thats true! Also youre completely discounting how hard the trans athletes train their whole lives --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515777] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Nope. If I said majority and you challenged me on it and I came back with that small amount of people, youd rightly call me out Some athletes dont agree with the IOC, thats true! Also youre completely discounting how hard the trans athletes train their whole lives</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:37:35 PM #219:	Like, both those articles combined literally cite two people --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924515874] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Like, both those articles combined literally cite two people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 7:39:26 PM #220:	Jakyl25 posted... The nature of transitioning basically ensures that it will NEVER be an issue. If what Corrik is saying is even remotely accurate it could become a perk to any man to woman transexual who is remotely athletic to just get an easy career in women's sports. I'm obviously not saying it'll become that but the fact that it hypothetically could seems abusive to me. Like the core of my argument isn't really "what's best for transgender acceptance"-- that was more just a talking point for you to consider. My point is more that "equal rights" as described in a society where we really treat transgender people as truly equal, will assess that there is an unfair advantage a trans woman enjoys by being with the biological women in being in many sports, and disqualify her for that. It sucks, but it's a price you pay. People with medical and psychological issues that need to be tended to, of which gender dysphoria is one, pay prices all the time. Sometimes certain things they want to do are no longer viable to do. That's just life. Coddling while ignoring reality isn't equality. You are overcorrecting by doing that. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924515934] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>The nature of transitioning basically ensures that it will NEVER be an issue.</quote> If what Corrik is saying is even remotely accurate it could become a perk to any man to woman transexual who is remotely athletic to just get an easy career in women's sports. I'm obviously not saying it'll become that but the fact that it hypothetically could seems abusive to me. Like the core of my argument isn't really "what's best for transgender acceptance"-- that was more just a talking point for you to consider. My point is more that "equal rights" as described in a society where we really treat transgender people as truly equal, will assess that there is an unfair advantage a trans woman enjoys by being with the biological women in being in many sports, and disqualify her for that. It sucks, but it's a price you pay. People with medical and psychological issues that need to be tended to, of which gender dysphoria is one, pay prices all the time. Sometimes certain things they want to do are no longer viable to do. That's just life. Coddling while ignoring reality isn't equality. You are overcorrecting by doing that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:43:19 PM #221:	Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate? Why would you classify allowing them to compete to potentially win or potentially fail as coddling. Its coddling to tell women that they need special protection from trans athletes or else theres a chance they could lose --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924516068] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate? Why would you classify allowing them to compete to potentially win or potentially fail as coddling. Its coddling to tell women that they need special protection from trans athletes or else theres a chance they could lose</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou Shake 07/10/19 7:45:12 PM #222:	Boy I can't wait until we're all cyborgs and sex/race/age will all be as minor and changeable as a set of clothes. Will be fascinating to see what internet people will get mad about then. --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! <cite>Xiahou Shake posted [p:924516136] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Boy I can't wait until we're all cyborgs and sex/race/age will all be as minor and changeable as a set of clothes. Will be fascinating to see what internet people will get mad about then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:45:58 PM #223:	Xiahou Shake posted... Boy I can't wait until we're all cyborgs and sex/race/age will all be as minor and changeable as a set of clothes. Will be fascinating to see what internet people will get mad about then. Cyborg women shouldnt compete with cyborg men --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924516169] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Xiahou Shake posted...</cite> <quote>Boy I can't wait until we're all cyborgs and sex/race/age will all be as minor and changeable as a set of clothes. Will be fascinating to see what internet people will get mad about then.</quote> Cyborg women shouldnt compete with cyborg men</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:48:04 PM #224:	https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/47467522 Hey, she even agreed with me on Russian manipulation. They changed testosterone levels for olympics to half of what it was though to 5 not 10. They are guessing due to lack of research available. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924516253] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/47467522 Hey, she even agreed with me on Russian manipulation. They changed testosterone levels for olympics to half of what it was though to 5 not 10. They are guessing due to lack of research available.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:49:26 PM #225:	Jakyl25 posted... Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate? Then why are you arguing with me? You literally have to think I have a viable point to discuss it while sitting here degrading anything I say. Newsflash: Opinions can differ and also both be viable. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924516316] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate?</quote> Then why are you arguing with me? You literally have to think I have a viable point to discuss it while sitting here degrading anything I say. Newsflash: Opinions can differ and also both be viable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:50:33 PM #226:	Setting aside for now that the MtF transition brings about many biological disadvantages against cis women. Like, Lopen, youre essentially saying people with strong biological advantages shouldnt be allowed to compete with other people who dont. If youre not saying that, why draw the line at what sex youre assigned at birth? What makes that different than a cis woman who has similar biological advantages? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924516371] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Setting aside for now that the MtF transition brings about many biological disadvantages against cis women. Like, Lopen, youre essentially saying people with strong biological advantages shouldnt be allowed to compete with other people who dont. If youre not saying that, why draw the line at what sex youre assigned at birth? What makes that different than a cis woman who has similar biological advantages?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:51:24 PM #227:	Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate? Then why are you arguing with me? You literally have to think I have a viable point to discuss it while sitting here degrading anything I say. Newsflash: Opinions can differ and also both be viable. Because Im sick in the head --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924516403] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate?</quote> Then why are you arguing with me? You literally have to think I have a viable point to discuss it while sitting here degrading anything I say. Newsflash: Opinions can differ and also both be viable.</quote> Because Im sick in the head</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 7:52:48 PM #228:	Also what arguments am I making that YOU think are viable? I dont get the impression that you see my arguments as any more valid than I see yours? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924516455] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Also what arguments am I making that YOU think are viable? I dont get the impression that you see my arguments as any more valid than I see yours?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 7:53:10 PM #229:	Jakyl25 posted... Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate? Because you haven't debunked Corrik explicitly and in fact have played into it. And because I know a lot of what he's saying about biology and whatnot isn't actually wrong. Jakyl25 posted... Its coddling to tell women that they need special protection from trans athletes or else theres a chance they could lose The problem becomes when most of the work put into becoming a "trans athlete" is inherent in the procedure. IIRC you're the guy who thinks steroids in sports should be legal though so it's not inherently inconsistent to think this for you. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924516467] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate?</quote> Because you haven't debunked Corrik explicitly and in fact have played into it. And because I know a lot of what he's saying about biology and whatnot isn't actually wrong. <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Its coddling to tell women that they need special protection from trans athletes or else theres a chance they could lose</quote> The problem becomes when most of the work put into becoming a "trans athlete" is inherent in the procedure. IIRC you're the guy who thinks steroids in sports should be legal though so it's not inherently inconsistent to think this for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:53:24 PM #230:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate? Then why are you arguing with me? You literally have to think I have a viable point to discuss it while sitting here degrading anything I say. Newsflash: Opinions can differ and also both be viable. Because Im sick in the head Maybe see a therapist then and quit wasting everyone's time. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924516480] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why would you believe anything Corrik is saying is remotely accurate?</quote> Then why are you arguing with me? You literally have to think I have a viable point to discuss it while sitting here degrading anything I say. Newsflash: Opinions can differ and also both be viable.</quote> Because Im sick in the head</quote> Maybe see a therapist then and quit wasting everyone's time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 7:55:38 PM #231:	Jakyl25 posted... Also what arguments am I making that YOU think are viable? I dont get the impression that you see my arguments as any more valid than I see yours? I think you are arguing for inclusion over fairness. I assume in trying to spur more participation and barrier of entry. I believe your opinion makes sense to include people, but I think you are failing to look at the women/girls that are being piggybacked to prop that up also. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924516553] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also what arguments am I making that YOU think are viable? I dont get the impression that you see my arguments as any more valid than I see yours?</quote> I think you are arguing for inclusion over fairness. I assume in trying to spur more participation and barrier of entry. I believe your opinion makes sense to include people, but I think you are failing to look at the women/girls that are being piggybacked to prop that up also.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/10/19 8:01:06 PM #232:	MoogleKupo141 posted... Yao posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree in this sense every person who is better than you at a sport competing in that sport is a detriment to you but somehow only trans people are the issue If this is what you actually believe then you have no problem with the worlds strongest man going to the next summer Olympics as a woman and destroying every Olympic record then yes? --- Ironically, the best kart racer to ever grace a Nintendo console is indeed a PSX era classic - Crash Team Racing - IGN <cite>Yao posted [p:924516752] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree</quote> in this sense every person who is better than you at a sport competing in that sport is a detriment to you but somehow only trans people are the issue</quote> If this is what you actually believe then you have no problem with the worlds strongest man going to the next summer Olympics as a woman and destroying every Olympic record then yes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 8:02:32 PM #233:	I will say, if it makes my position more palatable, if the science of transitioning advances to the point where the biological differences are further mitigated I would fully support allowing trans women to compete with biological women. But willfully ignoring relevant and significant differences in the name of acceptance for acceptance's sake is just a poor way to go about things. It's not real acceptance. It's pretending things aren't the way they are to make people feel accepted. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924516813] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I will say, if it makes my position more palatable, if the science of transitioning advances to the point where the biological differences are further mitigated I would fully support allowing trans women to compete with biological women. But willfully ignoring relevant and significant differences in the name of acceptance for acceptance's sake is just a poor way to go about things. It's not real acceptance. It's pretending things aren't the way they are to make people feel accepted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:04:52 PM #234:	https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ I mean, you can handwave it, but let's be honest. The gap is kinda wide in sports that have strength, speed, and size as factors. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924516914] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ I mean, you can handwave it, but let's be honest. The gap is kinda wide in sports that have strength, speed, and size as factors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:06:50 PM #235:	Lopen posted... I will say, if it makes my position more palatable, if the science of transitioning advances to the point where the biological differences are further mitigated I would fully support allowing trans women to compete with biological women. But willfully ignoring relevant and significant differences in the name of acceptance for acceptance's sake is just a poor way to go about things. It's not real acceptance. It's pretending things aren't the way they are to make people feel accepted. I just feel you are 100% unjustified in propping up these differences as relevant and significant when it comes to an actual competitive advantage --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924516993] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>I will say, if it makes my position more palatable, if the science of transitioning advances to the point where the biological differences are further mitigated I would fully support allowing trans women to compete with biological women. But willfully ignoring relevant and significant differences in the name of acceptance for acceptance's sake is just a poor way to go about things. It's not real acceptance. It's pretending things aren't the way they are to make people feel accepted.</quote> I just feel you are 100% unjustified in propping up these differences as relevant and significant when it comes to an actual competitive advantage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/10/19 8:07:03 PM #236:	Screw this then let's just let all the mens teams compete in the womans sports during the Olympics then and we will crush everyone and win absolutely every event in the name of fairness and acceptance --- Ironically, the best kart racer to ever grace a Nintendo console is indeed a PSX era classic - Crash Team Racing - IGN <cite>Yao posted [p:924516996] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Screw this then let's just let all the mens teams compete in the womans sports during the Olympics then and we will crush everyone and win absolutely every event in the name of fairness and acceptance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:07:26 PM #237:	Corrik7 posted... https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ I mean, you can handwave it, but let's be honest. The gap is kinda wide in sports that have strength, speed, and size as factors. Cis Boys arent trans women, for one thing. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517010] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ I mean, you can handwave it, but let's be honest. The gap is kinda wide in sports that have strength, speed, and size as factors.</quote> Cis Boys arent trans women, for one thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:08:59 PM #238:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ I mean, you can handwave it, but let's be honest. The gap is kinda wide in sports that have strength, speed, and size as factors. Cis Boys arent trans women, for one thing. Lol. Oh boy. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924517059] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ I mean, you can handwave it, but let's be honest. The gap is kinda wide in sports that have strength, speed, and size as factors.</quote> Cis Boys arent trans women, for one thing.</quote> Lol. Oh boy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 8:09:42 PM #239:	Yao posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... Yao posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Yao posted... It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same. Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood. Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree in this sense every person who is better than you at a sport competing in that sport is a detriment to you but somehow only trans people are the issue If this is what you actually believe then you have no problem with the worlds strongest man going to the next summer Olympics as a woman and destroying every Olympic record then yes? I would absolutely have a problem with a man going as a woman with the intention of dominating a sport. if the worlds strongest man reveals himself to be a legitimate trans woman and goes through the appropriate treatments then I wouldnt have a problem --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924517078] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>It's nothing like gay marriage where that is absolutely necessary because we all deserve the exact same rights. The thing that rubs some people the wrong way and maybe this is corriks issue, is that what trans people often demand is above what everyone else is entitled to. You made a choice to transition which is absolutely fine, but now you shouldn't be upset if everyone doesnt go above and beyond the way they would treat anyone and everyone - the same.</quote> Sorta. Transgender people should be accommodated as much as possible. Why shouldn't we? But, it cannot be done to the extent that it becomes a detriment to others. That has to be understood.</quote> Trans people competing in sports is a detriment to no one</quote> Those kids competing for no university scholarships might disagree</quote> in this sense every person who is better than you at a sport competing in that sport is a detriment to you but somehow only trans people are the issue</quote> If this is what you actually believe then you have no problem with the worlds strongest man going to the next summer Olympics as a woman and destroying every Olympic record then yes?</quote> I would absolutely have a problem with a man going as a woman with the intention of dominating a sport. if the worlds strongest man reveals himself to be a legitimate trans woman and goes through the appropriate treatments then I wouldnt have a problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:11:05 PM #240:	I dont think Yao is worth our time --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517124] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I dont think Yao is worth our time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/10/19 8:11:54 PM #241:	Jakyl25 posted... I dont think Yao is worth our time oh yeah I responded before seeing his next post which is just some absolute high grade garbage --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:924517158] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I dont think Yao is worth our time</quote> oh yeah I responded before seeing his next post which is just some absolute high grade garbage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:12:09 PM #242:	Would you have a problem if Lebron James decided he wanted to transition to a woman and went to the Olympics as a woman and destroyed every last record in every sport and won like 50 gold medals? Or are we with Jakyl's assumption that somehow LeBron James will be diminished further than 15 year old boys if he were to transition? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924517167] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Would you have a problem if Lebron James decided he wanted to transition to a woman and went to the Olympics as a woman and destroyed every last record in every sport and won like 50 gold medals? Or are we with Jakyl's assumption that somehow LeBron James will be diminished further than 15 year old boys if he were to transition?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:13:11 PM #243:	I dunno though, Lopen might want us to debunk his clearly well-formed and honest thoughts --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517204] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I dunno though, Lopen might want us to debunk his clearly well-formed and honest thoughts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/10/19 8:14:26 PM #244:	#JusticeForEmily lets make sure we support her then if we all seem to feel this way --- Ironically, the best kart racer to ever grace a Nintendo console is indeed a PSX era classic - Crash Team Racing - IGN <cite>Yao posted [p:924517245] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>#JusticeForEmily lets make sure we support her then if we all seem to feel this way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:14:40 PM #245:	Corrik7 posted... Would you have a problem if Lebron James decided he wanted to transition to a woman and went to the Olympics as a woman and destroyed every last record in every sport and won like 50 gold medals? Or are we with Jakyl's assumption that somehow LeBron James will be diminished further than 15 year old boys if he were to transition? I really dont think you understand how being trans works And now weve come full circle --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517258] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Would you have a problem if Lebron James decided he wanted to transition to a woman and went to the Olympics as a woman and destroyed every last record in every sport and won like 50 gold medals? Or are we with Jakyl's assumption that somehow LeBron James will be diminished further than 15 year old boys if he were to transition?</quote> I really dont think you understand how being trans works And now weve come full circle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yae 07/10/19 8:15:15 PM #246:	Yao is just an inferior Ya+[vowel] person <cite>Yae posted [p:924517278] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Yao is just an inferior Ya+[vowel] person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 07/10/19 8:16:46 PM #247:	Jakyl25 posted... I just feel you are 100% unjustified in propping up these differences as relevant and significant when it comes to an actual competitive advantage I think you're basing that on emotion and not the facts of the matter. 100% unjustified seems really strong. By osmosis I've come across lots of discussion on this, many with people who I would argue don't have a horse in the race of any trans movements, and it generally seems to come to a similar conclusion as Corrik is when taken purely from the viewpoint of competition, and it's not as if Corrik hasn't been justifying his arguments. I'm not saying I've done extensive research on this-- just that the eyeball test on arguments I've read, combined with my rudimentary understanding of human biology, seems to imply it is a big deal. Most people that argue against don't come off as terribly rational or move the goalposts to something else that doesn't actually address the advantage. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:924517345] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I just feel you are 100% unjustified in propping up these differences as relevant and significant when it comes to an actual competitive advantage</quote> I think you're basing that on emotion and not the facts of the matter. 100% unjustified seems really strong. By osmosis I've come across lots of discussion on this, many with people who I would argue don't have a horse in the race of any trans movements, and it generally seems to come to a similar conclusion as Corrik is when taken purely from the viewpoint of competition, and it's not as if Corrik hasn't been justifying his arguments. I'm not saying I've done extensive research on this-- just that the eyeball test on arguments I've read, combined with my rudimentary understanding of human biology, seems to imply it is a big deal. Most people that argue against don't come off as terribly rational or move the goalposts to something else that doesn't actually address the advantage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:18:03 PM #248:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik7 posted... Would you have a problem if Lebron James decided he wanted to transition to a woman and went to the Olympics as a woman and destroyed every last record in every sport and won like 50 gold medals? Or are we with Jakyl's assumption that somehow LeBron James will be diminished further than 15 year old boys if he were to transition? I really dont think you understand how being trans works And now weve come full circle You seem to think that reducing testosterone makes your body your whole life deteriate past that of a 15 year old boy. Despite the fact almost all science says otherwise and USA Powerlifting bans all transgender athletes for this reason because of that advantage, regardless of transitioning or not. I should use your argument. Are you saying you no better than USA Powerlifting? Like, if you think LeBron James after transitioning can't win basically 50 gold medals on the women's side, then you are acting goofy. And the only transition he needs is to limit his testosterone to 5 nano whatevers for 12 months and the length of the Olympics. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924517391] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Would you have a problem if Lebron James decided he wanted to transition to a woman and went to the Olympics as a woman and destroyed every last record in every sport and won like 50 gold medals? Or are we with Jakyl's assumption that somehow LeBron James will be diminished further than 15 year old boys if he were to transition?</quote> I really dont think you understand how being trans works And now weve come full circle</quote> You seem to think that reducing testosterone makes your body your whole life deteriate past that of a 15 year old boy. Despite the fact almost all science says otherwise and USA Powerlifting bans all transgender athletes for this reason because of that advantage, regardless of transitioning or not. I should use your argument. Are you saying you no better than USA Powerlifting? Like, if you think LeBron James after transitioning can't win basically 50 gold medals on the women's side, then you are acting goofy. And the only transition he needs is to limit his testosterone to 5 nano whatevers for 12 months and the length of the Olympics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/10/19 8:20:44 PM #249:	If you think Corrik has been justifying his arguments then I just dont live in the same reality as you and I dont know what else to say. If you dont see my arguments as logical then I cant convince you to support equal rights for trans people in the athletic sphere --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:924517480] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>If you think Corrik has been justifying his arguments then I just dont live in the same reality as you and I dont know what else to say. If you dont see my arguments as logical then I cant convince you to support equal rights for trans people in the athletic sphere</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:21:02 PM #250:	I think the problem is that Jakyl can't accept reality of how just badly women would be dominated if top tier men actually were in this situation. We already have proof a near worst division 2 runner is a top 3 division 1 runner after transitioning. But, like, it is gonna take like a transgender woman literally killing a woman in a boxing match or something for jakyl to get it. He thinks that transitioning makes you on a woman's level. When it doesn't. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924517490] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>I think the problem is that Jakyl can't accept reality of how just badly women would be dominated if top tier men actually were in this situation. We already have proof a near worst division 2 runner is a top 3 division 1 runner after transitioning. But, like, it is gonna take like a transgender woman literally killing a woman in a boxing match or something for jakyl to get it. He thinks that transitioning makes you on a woman's level. When it doesn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 07/10/19 8:22:46 PM #251:	Hey, I don't agree with what you say so nothing is justified! Fuck actual biology. Fuck actual Olympian opinions. Fuck actual results. Fuck sources. Fuck examples. Fuck everything. Nothing makes sense! Yay. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Division 2 <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:924517557] in POLL: Shou... [t:77804935]...</cite> <quote>Hey, I don't agree with what you say so nothing is justified! Fuck actual biology. Fuck actual Olympian opinions. Fuck actual results. Fuck sources. Fuck examples. Fuck everything. Nothing makes sense! Yay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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