Poll of the Day > What is up with conservative youtubers saying that content is being censored?

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Judgmenl
06/13/19 6:31:54 PM
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Also what is up with conservatives claiming they aren't conservative? Some kind of denial?
They also say that Youtube promotes communist propaganda in their feeds and I have never seen any communist propaganda in their feeds and I watch several political-related videos a day.

Also Steven Crowder is an awful person and not funny.
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WastelandCowboy
06/13/19 6:39:07 PM
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Theyre not wrong. YouTube rolled out new anti extremism policies after claims of allowing conspiracy theorists, white nationalists, etc to to post.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/business/youtube-remove-extremist-videos.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-youtube-is-wrong-to-censor-nazis-and-demonetize-steven-crowder

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Lokarin
06/13/19 6:42:03 PM
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BlackPigeonSpeaks, who is a neutral history channel - just got removed from youtube
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-Komaiko54-
06/13/19 6:43:10 PM
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maybe because they are?
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Judgmenl
06/13/19 6:44:34 PM
#5:


Lokarin posted...
BlackPigeonSpeaks, who is a neutral history channel - just got removed from youtube


Yes this is why I am posting this.
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Yellow
06/13/19 6:46:53 PM
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For one, YouTube has always favored larger established news outlets. Fox gets a free pass, in fact I think Fox is promoted in their TV package.

YouTube only flat out censors "unofficial" channels when they drift into flat out xenophobia. The more "mild" anti immigration stuff is very popular on YouTube and doing very well. A lot of the popular channels make videos every day about how dangerous Muslim immigrants are.
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ParanoidObsessive
06/13/19 7:24:12 PM
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Yellow posted...
YouTube only flat out censors "unofficial" channels when they drift into flat out xenophobia.

They "soft censor" a lot of things, though, because of how the monetization algorithm works. Even channels that aren't political in the slightest and aren't really "offensive" in any way other than occasionally using "strong language" have mentioned how they're seeing their videos take the hit, and how hard it is to appeal to YouTube without suffering as a content creator.

YouTube is very much trying to sterilize itself so that the Coca-Colas and Disneys of the world will continue to give them money, because Google literally does not give a fuck about free speech or anyone creating content on their system.

As others have mentioned in the past, neither the viewers nor the creators are YouTube's "customers". YouTube's customers are the major advertisers, and the viewers and content creators are just the resource Google exploits to make more money from the ad agencies.

It's a large part of why a lot of smaller channels are basically abandoning monetization entirely and supporting themselves via Patreon, or going the Twitch route to get money directly from viewers.


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Mead
06/13/19 8:09:01 PM
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It isnt just conservatives, its happening to a lot of channels
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JOExHIGASHI
06/13/19 8:25:55 PM
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Nobody gets censored for a video about wanting lower government spending or lower taxes

The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. So instead of crying about being censored you should think about why you deserve to be censored.
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Lokarin
06/13/19 8:27:57 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc.


Which is any video at any time and arbitrarily selected with no oversight
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Smarkil
06/13/19 8:34:21 PM
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It's just google hamfistedly solving another problem that really wasn't that big of a deal in the first place. It's gonna be interesting because youtube doesn't actually turn a profit. It's being propped up by Alphabets other institutions. Historically this has led to antitrust actions from the government because no one could compete when a business literally could not fail despite any actions to the contrary, but could still continue to hold the market.
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JOExHIGASHI
06/13/19 10:09:18 PM
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Lokarin posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc.


Which is any video at any time and arbitrarily selected with no oversight

I doubt it since its the same people claiming "racists is thrown around so much it's lost all meaning"

It's obvious conservatives just want to say bigoted things with no consequences
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Lokarin
06/13/19 10:10:59 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Lokarin posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc.


Which is any video at any time and arbitrarily selected with no oversight

I doubt it since its the same people claiming "racists is thrown around so much it's lost all meaning"

It's obvious conservatives just want to say bigoted things with no consequences


You're proving my point for me. You're assuming they're racist conservatives just because they've been removed.
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LeetCheet
06/14/19 2:13:37 AM
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I wouldve been fine if Youtube censored hateful content from the leftists as well...
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Mead
06/14/19 2:27:07 AM
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LeetCheet posted...
I wouldve been fine if Youtube censored hateful content from the leftists as well...


they do
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Zeus
06/14/19 2:33:43 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Theyre not wrong. YouTube rolled out new anti extremism policies after claims of allowing conspiracy theorists, white nationalists, etc to to post.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/business/youtube-remove-extremist-videos.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-youtube-is-wrong-to-censor-nazis-and-demonetize-steven-crowder

However, YouTube is a private company and can restrict freedom of speech however they want.


It's Judgmentl, this is his whole schtick. Facts don't fit into his narrative.
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Zareth
06/14/19 2:46:54 AM
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Lokarin posted...
BlackPigeonSpeaks, who is a neutral history channel - just got removed from youtube

Well we all know the only thing worse than a conservative is a moderate. Pick a side, hippy!
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LeetCheet
06/14/19 8:30:06 AM
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Mead posted...
LeetCheet posted...
I wouldve been fine if Youtube censored hateful content from the leftists as well...


they do


Example?
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Kyuubi4269
06/14/19 8:38:03 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
Also what is up with conservatives claiming they aren't conservative?

Because you know their politics better than they do.
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PKMNsony
06/14/19 9:06:56 AM
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Seems like some people are getting their info about conservative channels from Vox and havent actually watched any themself.
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kind9
06/14/19 9:09:38 AM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
I doubt it since its the same people claiming "racists is thrown around so much it's lost all meaning"

One channel I'm subbed to has been been fucked over multiple times by having their videos flagged for promoting this or that when they were actually debunking people who were promoting those things. Youtube's policies aren't a problem so much as the half-assed way they enforce them.
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Judgmenl
06/14/19 1:32:45 PM
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PKMNsony posted...
Seems like some people are getting their info about conservative channels from Vox and havent actually watched any themself.


I have watched Crowder actually. Most recent one I watched was his video on Andrew Yang which was an absolute trainwreck.
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WastelandCowboy
06/14/19 1:37:21 PM
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PKMNsony posted...
Seems like some people are getting their info about conservative channels from Vox and havent actually watched any themself.

Seems like some people are just biased against various news sources because it conflicts with their views.
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OhhhJa
06/14/19 1:49:29 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
However, YouTube is a private company and can restrict freedom of speech however they want.

Haha yeah... a "private" company that works directly with governments around the world to control the information that the general public gets to see
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LeetCheet
06/14/19 1:52:44 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
However, YouTube is a private company and can restrict freedom of speech however they want.

Haha yeah... a "private" company that works directly with governments around the world to control the information that the general public gets to see


Exactly. That's why companies such as Google should stay neutral.
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Noop_Noop
06/14/19 2:44:14 PM
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Private company can do what private company wants. If you don't like it, stop using YouTube, or get an adblocker so they get no revenue from you.
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OhhhJa
06/14/19 2:48:42 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
Private company can do what private company wants. If you don't like it, stop using YouTube, or get an adblocker so they get no revenue from you.

Being in a signed band though I'm forced to at least use YouTube due to the label for that but yeah most people do have a choice although it will greatly limit the content you have access to. Where I do take issue is these tech companies actively working with governments to control the dissemination of info to the public. That's a whole lot of power for a private company
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TheWorstPoster
06/14/19 2:54:36 PM
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Youtube should be forced to comply as a Publisher, to avoid this garbage.

If Youtube were to be forced to become a publisher, they will face lawsuits for removing, demonetizing, or censoring videos that are not of illegal content.
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WastelandCowboy
06/14/19 3:24:12 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
However, YouTube is a private company and can restrict freedom of speech however they want.

Haha yeah... a "private" company that works directly with governments around the world to control the information that the general public gets to see

Its still a private company. Dont like what theyre doing? Dont use their services. Plenty of other video streaming, email, and search engine options out there.
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JOExHIGASHI
06/14/19 5:24:45 PM
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Lokarin posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
Lokarin posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc.


Which is any video at any time and arbitrarily selected with no oversight

I doubt it since its the same people claiming "racists is thrown around so much it's lost all meaning"

It's obvious conservatives just want to say bigoted things with no consequences


You're proving my point for me. You're assuming they're racist conservatives just because they've been removed.

I'm actually judging them based on the normal conservative opinions and positions on issues.

Anti choice
Anti gay marriage
Islamophobia
Anti welfare

Pretty obvious conservative ideology is made of hate
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OhhhJa
06/14/19 6:49:02 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
I'm actually judging them based on the normal conservative opinions and positions on issues.

Anti choice
Anti gay marriage
Islamophobia
Anti welfare

Pretty obvious conservative ideology is made of hate

Pointing out the human rights abuses of radical Islam in other countries is not Islamophobia. I think it's funny how the left will defend the abuse of women and homosexuals as long as it's at the hands of radical Islam but simply being a pro life Christian is grounds for aggressive anti Christian rhetoric. I'm not even pro life or Christian but the hypocrisy is astounding. By your logic, I could call you a conservaphobe
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OhhhJa
06/14/19 6:51:03 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
However, YouTube is a private company and can restrict freedom of speech however they want.

Haha yeah... a "private" company that works directly with governments around the world to control the information that the general public gets to see

Its still a private company. Dont like what theyre doing? Dont use their services. Plenty of other video streaming, email, and search engine options out there.

I dont wanna hear you crying when the silencing of people gets even more out of control
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JOExHIGASHI
06/14/19 7:44:41 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
I'm actually judging them based on the normal conservative opinions and positions on issues.

Anti choice
Anti gay marriage
Islamophobia
Anti welfare

Pretty obvious conservative ideology is made of hate

Pointing out the human rights abuses of radical Islam in other countries is not Islamophobia. I think it's funny how the left will defend the abuse of women and homosexuals as long as it's at the hands of radical Islam but simply being a pro life Christian is grounds for aggressive anti Christian rhetoric. I'm not even pro life or Christian but the hypocrisy is astounding. By your logic, I could call you a conservaphobe

That is not what I'm referring to. You're being disingenuous if you say that is all conservatives have to say about Muslims. I didn't think I have to bring up the Muslim ban Trump tried to enforce. Or how they tried to oust a Muslim from a leadership position because of his religion.
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wwinterj25
06/14/19 10:51:44 PM
#34:


Judgmenl posted...
What is up with conservative youtubers saying that content is being censored?


They always moan about something because their subscribers lap that shit up as do new folk who subscribe. Basically attention mongering while getting paid for it.

Judgmenl posted...
Also Steven Crowder is an awful person and not funny.


Steven Crowder is great. Change my mind.
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Zeus
06/15/19 1:44:22 AM
#35:


JOExHIGASHI posted...

I'm actually judging them based on the normal conservative opinions and positions on issues.

Anti choice
Anti gay marriage
Islamophobia
Anti welfare

Pretty obvious conservative ideology is made of hate


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This is why it's hard to take the far-left seriously and why they're hurting liberals as a whole.

JOExHIGASHI posted...
I didn't think I have to bring up the Muslim ban Trump tried to enforce.


...you mean the one Obama had proposed?

JOExHIGASHI posted...
Or how they tried to oust a Muslim from a leadership position because of his religion.


A vague and ridiculous-sounding claim, but one that I'm sure you'll elaborate on and demonstrate that there's even the slightest shred of credence to it. If anything, you're probably conflating things with a fake news story you saw on Facebook about Trump supposedly removing a judge (not a leader)

https://www.apnews.com/c5169bfb555c4a9690d22b17530d5057
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Link_of_time
06/15/19 5:19:54 PM
#37:


Lokarin posted...
BlackPigeonSpeaks, who is a neutral history channel - just got removed from youtube

No clue who this was, so I looked him up. C'mon bruh, "neutral", "history".
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Judgmenl
06/15/19 5:32:39 PM
#38:


Link_of_time posted...
Lokarin posted...
BlackPigeonSpeaks, who is a neutral history channel - just got removed from youtube

No clue who this was, so I looked him up. C'mon bruh, "neutral", "history".


Authoritarians love gaslighting.
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JOExHIGASHI
06/15/19 6:16:31 PM
#39:


Zeus posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...

I'm actually judging them based on the normal conservative opinions and positions on issues.

Anti choice
Anti gay marriage
Islamophobia
Anti welfare

Pretty obvious conservative ideology is made of hate


This is why it's hard to take the far-left seriously and why they're hurting liberals as a whole.

JOExHIGASHI posted...
I didn't think I have to bring up the Muslim ban Trump tried to enforce.


...you mean the one Obama had proposed?

JOExHIGASHI posted...
Or how they tried to oust a Muslim from a leadership position because of his religion.


A vague and ridiculous-sounding claim, but one that I'm sure you'll elaborate on and demonstrate that there's even the slightest shred of credence to it. If anything, you're probably conflating things with a fake news story you saw on Facebook about Trump supposedly removing a judge (not a leader)

https://www.apnews.com/c5169bfb555c4a9690d22b17530d5057


I guess you have to resort to memes if you cant refute anything. Those are pretty standard conservative positions to have. Unless you want to give me sources of most Republicans voting/advocating pro choice, pro gay marriage,increasing government spending on welfare

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

https://www.wsj.com/articles/muslim-gop-leader-targeted-by-party-activists-in-texas-11544783403
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Judgmenl
06/15/19 6:19:26 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
I guess you have to resort to memes if you cant refute anything. Those are pretty standard conservative positions to have. Unless you want to give me sources of most Republicans voting/advocating pro choice, pro gay marriage,increasing government spending on welfare


I am hoping that Bill Weld gains traction in this election cycle as he's the only one so far running against Trump from the Replublican side. He is a pro-choice, pro-LGBT Republican. This is a platform that does really well in Massachusetts, as we have a pretty long history of Republican Governors (including Weld) that have high approval ratings despite Massachusetts being a liberal state.

Our current Governor, Charlie Baker is a great example of this. Very high approval ratings (highest of all Governors) and a Republican.

Republican does not always mean socially conservative.
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JOExHIGASHI
06/15/19 6:27:31 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
I guess you have to resort to memes if you cant refute anything. Those are pretty standard conservative positions to have. Unless you want to give me sources of most Republicans voting/advocating pro choice, pro gay marriage,increasing government spending on welfare


I am hoping that Bill Weld gains traction in this election cycle as he's the only one so far running against Trump from the Replublican side. He is a pro-choice, pro-LGBT Republican. This is a platform that does really well in Massachusetts, as we have a pretty long history of Republican Governors (including Weld) that have high approval ratings despite Massachusetts being a liberal state.

Our current Governor, Charlie Baker is a great example of this. Very high approval ratings (highest of all Governors) and a Republican.

Republican does not always mean socially conservative.

Still not standard for Republicans to be pro lgbt and pro choice. Are you going to pretend it was Democrats fighting those issue this whole time?
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Judgmenl
06/15/19 6:29:53 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
Still not standard for Republicans to be pro lgbt and pro choice. Are you going to pretend it was Democrats fighting those issue this whole time?


No I'm saying don't blame republicans for issues that aren't a party's fault. Blame Christians, Muslims and Jews who are not tolerant to other's views because their religion is full of intolerance and fear mongering.
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Judgmenl
06/15/19 6:31:51 PM
#43:


To reiterate, all modern social conservative thought originates in the abrahamic religions. Millenials and Gen Zers are significantly less invested in abrahamic religions than their parents are because these religions are authoritarian, intolerant and becoming less and less relevant every day.
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aDirtyShisno
06/15/19 6:37:24 PM
#44:


JOExHIGASHI posted...
Nobody gets censored for a video about wanting lower government spending or lower taxes

The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. So instead of crying about being censored you should think about why you deserve to be censored.

All of which are completely based on opinion and change over time. The fact that people can be ostracized for some joke they made 50 years ago shows that these are not valid complaints.
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JOExHIGASHI
06/15/19 6:41:31 PM
#45:


aDirtyShisno posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
Nobody gets censored for a video about wanting lower government spending or lower taxes

The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. So instead of crying about being censored you should think about why you deserve to be censored.

All of which are completely based on opinion and change over time. The fact that people can be ostracized for some joke they made 50 years ago shows that these are not valid complaints.

It is obvious when you're being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. Pretending the requirements are vague is not a good defense to saying offensive things.
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aDirtyShisno
06/15/19 6:48:29 PM
#46:


JOExHIGASHI posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
Nobody gets censored for a video about wanting lower government spending or lower taxes

The only videos getting censored are ones that are racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. So instead of crying about being censored you should think about why you deserve to be censored.

All of which are completely based on opinion and change over time. The fact that people can be ostracized for some joke they made 50 years ago shows that these are not valid complaints.

It is obvious when you're being racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. Pretending the requirements are vague is not a good defense to saying offensive things.

What isnt racist today could easily be racist tomorrow. It is an ever changing definition. Thats why you cant make a rule out of it. Its impossible to comply with.

A prime example is Tropic Thunder getting nominated for an Oscar despite it including blackface, which at the time nobody really had an issue with, but only now 11 years later have people been complaining about it. Its ridiculous.
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Lokarin
06/15/19 6:50:31 PM
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Judgmenl
06/15/19 6:54:29 PM
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I have lost all respect in you Lok, posting a Tim Pool video. Absolutely disgusting.
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Lokarin
06/15/19 6:58:00 PM
#49:


Judgmenl posted...
I have lost all respect in you Lok, posting a Tim Pool video. Absolutely disgusting.


I don't know who Tim Pool is, I just reposted from Sargon

What's Tim Pool about?
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aDirtyShisno
06/15/19 7:10:40 PM
#50:


Lokarin posted...
Judgmenl posted...
I have lost all respect in you Lok, posting a Tim Pool video. Absolutely disgusting.


I don't know who Tim Pool is, I just reposted from Sargon

What's Tim Pool about?

I watched the video you posted and this one was an interesting video that was in the recommendations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv-f2dlpy0g" data-time="

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Judgmenl
06/15/19 7:38:42 PM
#51:


Lokarin posted...
Judgmenl posted...
I have lost all respect in you Lok, posting a Tim Pool video. Absolutely disgusting.


I don't know who Tim Pool is, I just reposted from Sargon

What's Tim Pool about?


Are you Unironically watching Sargon? What?
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