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turbopuns3 posted...

Dang I was gonna counter claim MZero but he left to sleep and I don't feel like waiting that long

Guess I'll do this then

Vote: Tom

Seems fishy to me

First post pinged me right away. Why even mention you were going to counter claim me if you decided not to? What's the point?

Weak reasoning to jump on Tom. Let's see if he backs it up or if it's just weak bussing

pezloco posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

pezloco posted...

I am interested in other people's reads on SBell and on Tom. I don't have a strong read on SBell, Tom seems a little defensive. My roommate powers are tingling, but it's still D1.

SBell seems fine based on his Han vote there.

I've given my read of Tom, want to help me by voting him?

Care to say anything more than fishy?

"Seems fishy" is hardly a read. Pez caught it too. Puns responds "not currently"

turbopuns3 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Hey puns.

Whats got you in a tiz over Tom? You said fishy earlier.

You might say it's the cut of his Gibb.

Still nothing
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eventually he switches over to SBell. Occasionally says things like "is Tom still scum"

turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

and parroted my vote.

In this game I was the first to call Tom scum, also called SBell scummy, and when Tom didn't post for a while I drew a link between the two. This all happened way before you voted SBell.

already starting to take credit for being the first to call Tom scum... when he had no argument to back it up.

I don't have a problem with a day 1 push with little to go on just to gauge reactions. It's a fine way to get discussion rolling. But trying to take credit for it later is kind of smelly. I feel like he has tried to use it in other situations so let's see if I can dig them up
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MZero11 posted...

heck I can't type

Did puns slip that he knew Ulti was town

is what I meant to say >__>

He seemed to know Ulti was town during the scan fiasco also despite calling Ulti scum directly prior and also having said he thought I was cop / yet Ulti claimed it and he says he believes Ulti is cop that just seemed to have a guilty scan.... But not on him...

I didn't really understand that.
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Panthera, I will not be voting 5tar before Puns or Red.

I am giving chance for Red to actually analyze this game and show he is town here though. If he is town, he should be able to logically analyze the game beyond "Corrik seems scum" har har. Hell, make a good argument against me at least that I can see coming from your typical town play mindset.
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I am a bit on edge tho because quite a few people have now said Panthera is playing me. I don't believe it, but I do have that in the back of my mind. That is why I am very weary of the 5tar angle. Someone I find just enough possible to be scummy but not one of the more vocal names in the game and who would be considered a weaker target.

But, I can make hell of good arguments in my mind that both Puns and Red are scum.

The Puns argument almost seems a little too easy to me. The red argument seems complicit on the fact he isn't just phoning it in as town because he is on vacation.

The only problem with the red thing is that he tried to act like he wasn't day 3 and sounding matter of fact, but he was clearly ignoring details of the game to get where he wanted to be. Which is worrisome.
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Its easy to think youre scum because of all the mistakes you made especially around threatening Sbell (town), death (town) and ulti (town) with the gladiator power. Its either youre scum or youve totally fucked this game up though a major portion of that blame lies with IGCD and his scans of Scare (town) and you (probably town) not to mention his fake claim of a guilty scan on ulti that everyone believed me included because why wouldnt we.
From what Ive seen most of the flavour has been hand picked to suit the player at least a little. Whats the reasoning behind Panth being a newcomer when hes anything but

I don't even remember threatening sbell but maybe I did.

That said, I don't call threatening death and/or sbell if I did a mistake. Why are those mistakes? I never intended to use it day 1 regardless. I was pressuring for info to make reads on players.

I alrdy told you who it would have been on if I had used it day 1, but this is neither here nor there as I cannot prove that til post game.

I couldn't use it Day 2 or I woulda prolly used it on Tom just because it was a sure Lynch. I was roleblocked however. People seem to forget this. How would I have known to claim roleblocked as scum night 1 before people were to the game? 90% of the game was unclaimed. If not more.

Anyways, again, neither here nor there because anyone who can easily see that logic already logically sees Scum Gladiator cannot exist with the flipped roles already anyways. So, why even argue about it.

The point is that yeah, I pressured people day 1. I couldn't use it day 2 on a sure lynch. And, I used it day 3 on what I thought was a sure Lynch due to an uncountered tracker who just verified my night actions of going nowhere have a scan of the guy going to a nightkill.

First of all, to err is to be town. I shouldn't be perfect as town. Being too good is usually a scum trait. Knowing too much to make too good of reads. Granted, yes, I am self-aware. I feed town info in games to watch them not believe me and in other games I am strictly anti-bussing. I mix it up purposely.

But, don't you think in my day 1 pressuring that at some point I would have pressured a teammate as scum also and not just all town? I mean, I feel most scum, if this role could possibly be scum this game, wouldn't only toss out town targets all game to pressure.

Also, I just want to point out that Ulti said I could be roleblocker yesterday after I used my power. But, even before that I couldn't be if IGCD is town because I was tracked nowhere. As soon as IGCD said I went nowhere, he was 100% town in my mind and his scan was 100% legit no matter what red or Ulti argued.
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And before you say maybe they rolecopped me to see my role to know I went nowhere.

Night 2. Eaed was double voter and sent in the kill. Roleblocker targeted Death. You would be arguing the 4th scum is rolecop and not godfather. And that is very unlikely.

And they couldn't have roleblocked me night 1 as they again likely had Tom kill scare. Eaed kill Han. Roleblocker blocked me. And godfather did nothing. They surely didn't roleblock me and rolecop me in the same night.

It is why puns comments to me bookending day 2 seem highly suspect regarding the roleblock. He seemed to be wanting to gauge if I was roleblocked and then also gauge if they should again night 2.

I mean, if he ends up being town, I still don't see how he sees how that looks as town. It doesn't look great. If he ends up being scum, I hope he acknowledges that.
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Rolecopped me night 1*
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I know you claimed youd use it in ea or Ulti after ea flipped. You can claim youd use it on Tom too because he already flipped. Im not saying youre scum, Im saying you played badly. With good intentions perhaps but badly all the same. The least you can do is admit it.
Can you at least answer what you think about Panth as vanilla ricochet? If we assume the flavour has something to do with the players then how does that make sense.

Damn and here I was thinking I claimed I woulda used it on Eaed BEFORE he flipped at the beginning of Day 2. Man, my memory is shot as hell.
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Your ego is incredible

Corrik7 posted...

Aight busy tonight but I read almost all yesterday as it happened besides from like 7pm on.

I read it all over night. I came into today thinking zero chance that was a town-town-town end Lynch.

I am 95% sure red is scum. I thought he was yesterday also and that he was trying to hedge with me by either goading me into using my power on death (who is likely town) or trying to look like he was astute by knowing my power was fake.

Either way. Scum.

Ulti is interesting. He is playing like I would think he would as town vanilla. His play has reeked town. But his play has pinged his scumtell a million times alrdy. Ulti is less active as town and more active as scum.

That said, red has the lead. Ulti is saying red is scum. Then all the sudden, Ulti unvotes flips and says not to Lynch red today. It was a complete uturn and unnatural.

Eaed I have felt is scum and would have been who I used the power on yesterday if I had. I think he is likely scum also.

And I have red like 5 posts today, but I see puns immediately asked me to use my power today. Trust me when I say he is scum and that was a fish to look for information. They roleblocked me last night and wanted to see if I acknowledged that. He alrdy knew that. Puns is scum also.

I will be more active tomorrow. 3 of those 4 are def scum, maybe all 4. Red, puns and eaed/Ulti.

First post day 2.
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Youre right. Youve played perfectly as usual. Now can you answer my panth question

5tarscream posted...

Your ego is incredible

My ego? I said nothing of the sorts at all in any of my post???
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5tarscream posted...

Youre right. Youve played perfectly as usual. Now can you answer my panth question

What in the literal world are you talking about? I literally just stated I have not been perfect and if I was I would be more likely to be scum. If you are not even gonna read my responses, why should I even respond to you?
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And flavor has nothing to do with who you are as a person in real life. I don't even understand that question. You think you only got flavor based on who you were?
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Though I will admit my flavor is kinda describing me a little bit. But, that would be super bad hosting for that to be true and surely sultan doesn't even know everyone that well enough.
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Only way i see a scum gladiator in this setup is if he has to target scum

Ulti flipped town which means Corrik is 99% town to me
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SBells flavour and Ultis also describe them a little too. Im just saying I dont buy that flavour for him.

Zero what do you think about Panth?

5tarscream posted...

Zero what do you think about Panth?

Who is the other scum besides Panthera, 5tar, assuming you think he is one?
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What the literal fuck is this stupid flavour bullshit. Who was I "supposed" to have gotten that would have been oh so perfectly fittingly assigned to me by Sultan, a guy who knows me oh so well (we've played a mafia game together once and I don't think we've interacted otherwise)? Oh shit IGCD doesn't shill creepy ass themed cereal, lynch him! Fucking garbage.
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Corrik7 posted...

But, I can make hell of good arguments in my mind that both Puns and Red are scum.

The Puns argument almost seems a little too easy to me.

What did you mean by this?
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Id say Panth and puns.

Panthera posted...

Corrik7 posted...

But, I can make hell of good arguments in my mind that both Puns and Red are scum.

The Puns argument almost seems a little too easy to me.

What did you mean by this?

I feel like he would be better as scum and less easy to pick out.
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Panthera posted...

Oh shit IGCD doesn't shill creepy ass themed cereal

What?
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Corrik7 posted...

And flavor has nothing to do with who you are as a person in real life. I don't even understand that question. You think you only got flavor based on who you were?

Me getting the the Miz is extremely fitting given that's my mafia nickname but I assume it's a coincidence
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5tarscream posted...

Zero what do you think about Panth?

I don't really remember tbh

I will reread him when in a bit
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Corrik7 posted...

I said hammer Tom. You said no, I will later if no one has yet while keeping ur vote on Ulti.

This literally did not happen.

You said to hammer by 11pm. Later on IGCD tagged me and said we all agree in majority on Tom. I said cool I'll check in after my thing is done and hammer if it hasn't happened yet. I ended up voting him actually about an hour sooner than I said I would.

When you haphazardly say things like I "refused" and that "I said no" it comes across as you are making a deliberate effort to smear my name because you are straight up stating things as fact that never happened. "Refused" makes it sound like I was fighting against it or something which never happened.

MZero11 posted...

heck I can't type

Did puns slip that he knew Ulti was town

is what I meant to say >__>

Again with this, dude? I already explained twice why what you're saying is illogical.

Here I will give a clear example.

ok so our base scenario:

Event A:
-ulti was scum last game

Resulting Outcome:
-ulti didn't notice my activity was lower than usual

alright now here is a different example

Event A:
-Bob overslept in the morning

Resulting Outcome
-Bob missed the bus

In this example. Just because oversleeping caused Bob to miss the bus, that does not mean that every time Bob ever oversleeps, he will 100% miss the bus. That is NOT an implication that you can draw. Oversleeping can definitely contribute to Bob missing the bus, but it is not a strict cause -> effect thing.

Nor does it mean that if Bob DOESN'T oversleep, he will 100% ALWAYS catch the bus.

Same goes with our base example. Just because Ulti may have missed the fact that my activity level was lower due to the fact he was scum and not paying attention to me - that does NOT imply that EVERY town player will ALWAYS notice my activity, and that NO scum player will EVER notice my activity level.

MZero11 posted...

already starting to take credit for being the first to call Tom scum... when he had no argument to back it up.

I don't have a problem with a day 1 push with little to go on just to gauge reactions. It's a fine way to get discussion rolling. But trying to take credit for it later is kind of smelly. I feel like he has tried to use it in other situations so let's see if I can dig them up

CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT!

You're sounding like Corrik, now.

Ulti put a scum list of 3 and it was SBell, me, Tom.

He went on to say that I was scummy for parroting him.

So I was pointing out to him how dumb he was being because the ONLY two people in the game I had called scum up to that point were....SBell and Tom. And I had called them both scummy way before he ever even showed up to the game.

Thus there was someone calling me scum for a completely and utterly unfounded reason.

Like, I was not just randomly bragging about calling Tom scum.

Corrik7 posted...

I feel like he would be better as scum and less easy to pick out.

Well you are damn right about that.

Honestly, all role fishing crap you are saying about me is just bogus.

The start of day 2 comment about ulti, I was being 70% facetious. The end of day 2 thing I was just having fun with you. Literally even lobbing one up for you to wifom scum more if you wanted. I mean I was like 10% afraid if you were a vig you'd see me as a low risk shot so there was that but mostly just me fucking around.

Like as scum I'd know who we blocked and couldn't be bothered to worry about you. You basically always town read me when I'm scum and you're town anyway.

5tarscream posted...

Id say Panth and puns.

You think I bus my partner out the gate in this situation?

fyi I have been being kind of active from work this game but today I'm going to have a new person shadowing me so I won't be refreshing gameFAQs constantly lol

turbopuns3 posted...

5tarscream posted...

Id say Panth and puns.

You think I bus my partner out the gate in this situation?

I think its a possibility because youd be clear next day. Thats panth dead, one nk most likely IGCD, next day youd be above suspicion so youd be unlikely to be killed, then another nk. You think thats impossible?

MZero11 posted...

5tarscream posted...

Zero what do you think about Panth?

I don't really remember tbh

I will reread him when in a bit

please do because to be honest your quotes you dug up of me reek of you going in with a desired conclusion in mind. Like you're reading all my posts with the presupposition that I'm already scum.

5tarscream posted...

I think its a possibility because youd be clear next day. Thats panth dead, one nk most likely IGCD, next day youd be above suspicion so youd be unlikely to be killed, then another nk. You think thats impossible?

Well the bold part is definitely not accurate at all. As you clearly have proven by suspecting me before any of this hypothetical even has the chance to happen!

Maybe this will help.

If I was scum, there is no way I would be just basically ignoring red in my suspicions. He is so easy to suspect in this game.

Unless of course, you think the scum team is Puns/Red.

I have a cookie for the first person who can point out why thinking the scum team is Puns/Red is silly.

turbopuns3 posted...

Maybe this will help.

If I was scum, there is no way I would be just basically ignoring red in my suspicions. He is so easy to suspect in this game.

Unless of course, you think the scum team is Puns/Red.

I have a cookie for the first person who can point out why thinking the scum team is Puns/Red is silly.

Just tell us why you think it's silly.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Just tell us why you think it's silly.

That would be removing a chance for someone else to earn town points and also it would have less weight coming from me, obviously.

turbopuns3 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Just tell us why you think it's silly.

That would be removing a chance for someone else to earn town points and also it would have less weight coming from me, obviously.

I'm not giving town points for anything but scum mislynches and if you're lynched what good does giving town points even do?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Just tell us why you think it's silly.

That would be removing a chance for someone else to earn town points and also it would have less weight coming from me, obviously.

I'm not giving town points for anything but scum mislynches and if you're lynched what good does giving town points even do?

Scum lynches*
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm not giving town points for anything but scum mislynches and if you're lynched what good does giving town points even do?

Uh, I'm not exactly sure where this urgent concern for me being lynched is coming from. The person most calling me scum is voting the same person I'm voting right now.

And that's fine you can dole out town points however you wish.

Like it's bizarre that I've posted like a thousand words on this page and you pop up to pressure me about cookies.

Is your reward for most town points to be scanned by you on the night because that seems to be the pattern. Im off to bed, had a long day. Corrik, IGCD, red and zero who do you think is the most likely scum of the remaining players, if any of you have a hard town read on Panth let me know why. Red, Ulti was pretty firm in his belief in your ability to read the game given time and well I dont think we have much longer.

turbopuns3 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I said hammer Tom. You said no, I will later if no one has yet while keeping ur vote on Ulti.

This literally did not happen.

You said to hammer by 11pm. Later on IGCD tagged me and said we all agree in majority on Tom. I said cool I'll check in after my thing is done and hammer if it hasn't happened yet. I ended up voting him actually about an hour sooner than I said I would.

When you haphazardly say things like I "refused" and that "I said no" it comes across as you are making a deliberate effort to smear my name because you are straight up stating things as fact that never happened. "Refused" makes it sound like I was fighting against it or something which never happened.

No. I said you refused when I asked and kept your vote on ulti at the time being. It was weird. Why didn't you unvote until you later planned to vote. It was just plain weird.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Maybe this will help.

If I was scum, there is no way I would be just basically ignoring red in my suspicions. He is so easy to suspect in this game.

Unless of course, you think the scum team is Puns/Red.

I have a cookie for the first person who can point out why thinking the scum team is Puns/Red is silly.

Okay. Tell me why that is because I think that is the likeliest team.
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Corrik7 posted...

It was weird. Why didn't you unvote until you later planned to vote. It was just plain weird.

You're making a deal out of nothing.

I wasn't saying let's lynch Ulti, I wasn't saying let's not lynch Tom. Like I explained at the time I was in no rush and hammering by 11 seemed fine. There is no meat whatsoever to dissecting it.

Corrik7 posted...

Okay. Tell me why that is because I think that is the likeliest team.

Alright fine. First answer this, what do you think are scum's remaining roles