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(+) Yeah! (+)

Death was eliminated! He was John Cena Face(Town) Cop. The 16-time world champion was tagged into the match, and he had the whole crowd chanting "lets go cena cena sucks!" but Cena couldn't manage a comeback infront of the cenation this time! Although Cena helped his team gain an elimination, he was cut down and is now probably packing his bags back to Hollywood!!

Eliminated

D1: Sbell, Heath Slater Face(Town) 1Use Bullet Proof
N1:Scare, Big Show Face(Town) vanilla
N1: Han, Ali Face(Town) Vanilla
D2: Tom, Randy Orton Heel(Scum) strongman
N2: Eaed, Elias Heel (Scum) 1 Use Day Double voter
N2: Pez, Kofi Kingston Face(Town) Elite Bodyguard
D3:Ulti, Roman Reigns Face(Town) Vanilla
N3: Death, John Cena Face(Town) Cop
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It is now day
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turbopuns3 posted...

Well this is ripe, huh.

I said I'd vote SBell, Scare, or Tom, and I chose Tom. Now SBell and Scare are town.

And Han is town, which makes Ulti scum.

Corrik, please gladiate Ulti so this day doesn't go off the rails.

This post is interesting. Reading.
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Living Player list (in full account name / nickname format)
5. Corrik7 / Corrik
8. turbopuns / puns
9. IfGodCouldDie / IGCD
10. 5tarscream / 5tar
12. Panthera / Panth
13. MZero11 / MZero
15. red13n(or leafeon13n) / red

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch early! Day ends Tuesday, June 11th, 47 hours, 57 minutes from now!
Lolo
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turbopuns3 posted...

Also red being alive means Ulti and red are liable to both scum and the whole guessing game was a ruse.

Interesting how puns left this notion and was specifically asking for me to gladiate ulti at start of day 2... But day 3 says he never wanted me to use my power. Okay.

turbopuns3 posted...

Ulti answer me this:

Will you be forcing someone to same time with you today

Lots of rolefishing this game by puns.
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oh what's this? Corrik trying to read everything from the perspective of the game revolving around him? color me unsurprised. ~_~

Anyway I pretty much agree with Ulti's final three. I do still lean town on Corrik personally but he's put himself into a position where he's still in the short list of who needs to be lynched.

It's probably just panth and 5tar though.

I'm kinda hitting snooze on red tbh and just hoping he's town.

Also btw, Ulti wasn't saving Red his scummate day 1. There still is two scum on the top Lynch however. But, it not necessarily implicates red.
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tag
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Corrik7 posted...

But day 3 says he never wanted me to use my power. Okay.

You're ripping things way out of context AND twisting my words entirely.

Nope.

turbopuns3 posted...

oh what's this? Corrik trying to read everything from the perspective of the game revolving around him?

Those all have to do with Ulti. The confirmed town player.
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Corrik7 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

oh what's this? Corrik trying to read everything from the perspective of the game revolving around him?

Those all have to do with Ulti. The confirmed town player.

Well it seemed like you were talking about your gladiator power.

turbopuns3 posted...

It's probably just panth and 5tar though.

I think I'm significantly less trusting of mzero than you.

But there is a distinct possibility of an easy answer in corrik/panth.

either way I'm completely dead tired from airline hell. proably will see more of me tomorrow than tonight.
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turbopuns3 posted...

After day 1 all signs point to Ulti as except his general demeanor, but last game I learned his demeanor is not indicative of his alignment.

That is why I asked you to gladiate Ulti, also too because I wanted to nudge you sooner rather than later because you weren't posting for so long.

If you think I'm scum because I said gladiate Ulti and that means I know you were roleblocked you should ask yourself if there is actually any merit to that beyond just arbitrary trying to be clever.

Hmmmm

Gets out ahead and says hey if you think it makes me scum then maybe you shouldn't do that!

Puns instantly says Ultis scan is fake without hesitation. Not a terrible look for puns there.

Puns in fact seems 100% unconcerned from the scan fake by Ulti in the slightest.

If scum, Puns would have to be godfather. It looks good for him tho.

Nevermind. I forgot how terrible Puns started responding to Ulti.

turbopuns3 posted...

pezloco posted...

C becomes increasingly likely if the answer to my question about Day roles being RBed is no they aren't. Hence my question.

Generally no. But speculating further is just gonna be fruitless.

Curious to see where this Ulti thing goes. Does he have this big of a hard on for lynching me or will he come clean? Only time will tell.

I mean obligatory "maybe there's a framer" line, but yeah.

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I forgot all about how you knew Ulti was town in your posts. Ulti has flipped town.

*Sigh*
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Dead tag
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If you can't read that post from me and see how it's coming from a town point of view you are probably just scum.

Tom agrees with me about it so that makes me hesitant.

Tom Bombadil posted...

I do not often get big into perspective slips but that is not the greatest post I have seen yeah

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turbopuns3 posted...

If you can't read that post from me and see how it's coming from a town point of view you are probably just scum.

referring to the "framer" one

Corrik7 posted...

I forgot all about how you knew Ulti was town in your posts.

this sounds like one of the most contrived posts ever, lol.

when did I ever know ulti was town? I have a feeling if we could ask ulti right now, he would have a different opinion on that.

Who actually believes Corrik can be scum at this point?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Who actually believes Corrik can be scum at this point?

*hand*
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Who actually believes Corrik can be scum at this point?

Why not?

At Three Gorges Dam today. Wont be active until later. Corrik is either scum or absolutely useless. Before we get sidetracked by panth and Corrik trying to claim Im scum. Im town vanilla No Way Jose.

red13n posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Who actually believes Corrik can be scum at this point?

*hand*

UltimaterializerX posted...

Puns admitting my alignment while not claiming all while IGCD lies and goes silent is just too good.

If only I could say Ulti ever talks logically.

turbopuns3 posted...

##Vote: Tom

My reads haven't really changed from day 1 so far. Either Tom or Ulti would've been my first votes and Ulti is maybe cop.

I feel Tom is being that scum who is around and chatty but just like, good at not sticking out. Constantly have bad vibes from him.

Okay good post or deflection onto other scum notably.

Tom Bombadil posted...

Alright so I don't buy Roman as Nilla but I also don't buy Big E as Tracker so that's a wash I guess. IGCD was sketchy all d1 and the main argument for his towndom was from the guy that wants to lynch him now. I liked Ulti yesterday but I like him less after that end of day and he's had about one two many fake outs for my tastes. I guess that all amounts to a big ol' nulltell on Puns but that slip is still a bit goofy but heck I'm just about able to PoE him as TOWN because I want to lynch everybody

speaking of which let's not forget about red and 5tar just because they're not in the big tangle

turbopuns3 posted...

Another angle for the same conclusion is why would Ulti dangle out a fake cop scan for so long as town vanilla? Thinks only scum will counter and he's not at risk of outing a town scanner?

The play by Scum Ulti here isn't a bad one. It's suicidal to out town scanning - it's just he hoped it would be a general counter with irrelevant info of their own, not literally "I'm the town scanner and I watched you shoot Scare"

I think that's why he's probably tilted. The unexpected extra sting.

I don't disagree with this really but I got blasted yesterday for thinking this oddly enough.

MZero11 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

In a world.

Where ulti is town.

And IGCD is scum.

Why.

The fuck.

Does Scum IGCD fake a scan.

To kill a town.

Who he knows.

Is faking a guilty on a town player.

And thus is not town cop.

Why does he suicide into that.

I was about to roast you if you didn't get on Ulti for this exact reason. Good light bulb!

I really don't see how anyone has Mzero as scum this game at all.
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I think...oh wait I'm still dead. Tag.
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Corrik7 posted...

So.

Ulti, Red, Eaed, Puns.

At most one is wrong in that.

Maybe ur right, Corrik7.

htaeD posted...

I am starting to feel Puns was a mislynch target for scum. That said I somehow feel the same way about red and even 5tar at times. But I dont think we had no scum at all on our trains yesterday.

I am listening to you after death.

Tom Bombadil posted...

I like this argument but I also like Puns a lot more than Ulti and IGCD put together

Oh do you.
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5tarscream posted...

At Three Gorges Dam today. Wont be active until later. Corrik is either scum or absolutely useless. Before we get sidetracked by panth and Corrik trying to claim Im scum. Im town vanilla No Way Jose.

why do you think corrik is going to call you scum?

Corrik7 posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...
I like this argument but I also like Puns a lot more than Ulti and IGCD put together

Oh do you.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the game would have unanimously agreed with that post

Tom Bombadil posted...

so my big takeaway is that Ulti and IGCD are probably on different teams, and Puns is less scummy than them and will give us less info if he flips. ~ACE LOGICIAN~

He really likes puns.

pezloco posted...

8. puns - Thought one of Han/Ulti was scum, opens the day saying he thinks Ulti is scum. He and Ulti argued a lot with Ulti claiming scum scan. Puns actually starts thinking that Ulti is town cop just lying about his scan. After IGCD's claim Puns realizes that if he's town Ulti is almost certainly scum. He votes Ulti

pezloco posted...

15. Red - Very little content. He seems to have read through everything.

This is all from D2 in Topic 5. I haven't read through the posts in this new topic yet.

I think Red and then Eaed, Panth, and 5tar look the worst after this. Red looks bad because he still seems to be skimping on the content, which is scum Red. He also seems hesitant to immediately go against Ulti. Which sounds like he's waiting until it's clear he has to bus Ulti.

Obviously Ulti was town tho.

Pez brings up a good point tho about puns. Puns says his gut says han/Ulti is scum. Han flips town. He says Ulti is scum. Then as soon as Ulti says he scanned Puns, Puns starts saying he thinks ulti is town. Weird.

htaeD posted...

I already looked up all the major Tom interactions from day1 (mostly)

That is why I like Puns a little more now, because he went after Tom early day1. Not strongly though, so he doesnt score full marks.

Okay
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IGCD looks really town in the re-read, not that we didn't know that from role meta as of now anyways.

Corrik7 posted...

So eaed was likely my wrong one in my 4.

Red is likely to do very little this game because he knows this game is mostly alrdy a wrap as scum anyways.

Red/Ulti/Tom/Puns

Eaed was who I was likely wrong about.

If puns is town, eaed is likely last scum tho Pez is BURNING up the charts to take that last scum chart with his trying to save tom today shit.

Tom=Ulti>Red>Puns>Eaed>pez>5tar

For scum.

Everyone else is pretty much confirmed town as far as I am concerned.

Panth, death, IGCD, Mzero, etc.

This post looks awful from me in hindsight in relation to eaed.

turbopuns3 posted...

so I'm scum who moved my vote from SBell to Tom when my scum buddy red was about to hang

Not sure this reasoning is good enough to make town. It wasn't really that much of a scare. With 2 scum propping up the sbell lynch and red still a vote ahead also.
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htaeD posted...

Tom
buys the miller claim instantly, gives Mzero a lot of leeway.
Wants to press red early maybe. Doesnt say much

He is also tempted to believe Ulti's claim of course.

Attacks Corrik for his flavor weirdness. Maybe thats how scum knew corrik was not a gladiator and knew to RB him?

Gives 2 tops 3s over the course of the day:
Sbell, Han, Corrik
Sbell, Red, Mzero (HM: IGCD, Han if Sbell flips town)

Doesnt like Ulti, but doesnt like the votes on him either. Goes after 5tarscream just because he voted Ulti, which 5tar reacts rather heavily too. Would he do that as scum? I lean no.

Anyway, I think the Ulti train is enough to get me to hop off Sbell. Corrik and Puns don't seem that scummy to me at this point, eaed's vote came first, and 5tar has more support than IGCD right now so

As I said I liked how vicious 5tar gets with Tom too. Calling his posts a waste of time even when he is answering him.

Reads Puns as nontown when asked about him and gives a full list

Scum: IGCD, 5tar, Scare, Sbell, red, Miz
Neutral: puns, death, eaed
No clue but gun to my head I'd say town: Corrik, Ulti
Town: pez, Han, Panth
me: Tom

And he does vote red near the end of the day when he realized his target IGCD is playing DnD

As for others reactions to Tom:

Pezloco calls him out for being quiet and later says he is being defensive, asks for tomreads from others but only puns reacts
He leans on tom being scum. (topic1, page 7) But later calls Tom null, just before the roommate wall comes in. Which red predicts.
He always tries to keep updated on Tom too. But he is very protective of his roommate in subtle ways sometimes. Definitely keep an eye out for Pez.

Puns votes Tom because he seems fishy, he never really explains why except via gut but does want to know why people call him town
On the other hand he goes after sbell once pez vouched for Tom (phrasing that Pez rejects). But he does seem genuinely curious to know why red never explained his tomvote
He also is tempted to go back to Tom for his bad vote on 5tar. Briefly he gives up on Tom because nobody else besides red voted Tom, but he goes back to him when Tom regains votes.

IGCD bandwagon-voted Tom out of nowhere. But he already looks goods anyway.

Eaed leans scum on Tom for sounding fluffy (Ulti calls him town after this post, though he talked about other stuff too). 5tar and Panth call him fluffy too (exact wording)
Its still weird that 5tar and Eaed both used the exact same wording 'little fluffy'. Go look back at that yourself.
Eaed has Ulti in his top3 tho, so its a pretty good list (ignoring the fact that he has me on there too)

5tarscream still doesnt like Tom for most of day1.

Nobody else mentioned Tom much. Corrik called him town one time. But eh thats a mistake I can forgive.

Looks better for 5tar.
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turbopuns3 posted...

As someone who voted Tom in my first post of the game and ended day 1 on him and started day 2 on him and was responsible for the cop scan being claimed against him

I didn't feel the need to state I support a Tom lynch, or to move my vote yet

Really flying the I said Tom was scum flag. He doesn't fly the I said ulti was scum flag tho despite the entire game thinking Ulti is scum at this point due to IGCDs claimed scan. Why the difference?

turbopuns3 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Honestly I was considering whether it was Corrik who was cop.

(he also called someone scum with zero explanation and even made a point to indicate that he was giving no explanation)

So he thought I was cop but instantly believed Ulti was cop when he claimed his scan on him which Puns knew was fake.

*Scratches head*
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Corrik7 posted...

Really flying the I said Tom was scum flag. He doesn't fly the I said ulti was scum flag tho despite the entire game thinking Ulti is scum at this point due to IGCDs claimed scan. Why the difference?

because...context.

that post was me replying to pez specifically point out me and red for not having voted tom yet.

thus I was explaining why I had not voted tom yet.

yeesh.

Taggy wags
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Can I state how weird it is that Puns refused to hammer Tom but also kept his vote on Ulti the entire time also? Almost like he was hoping someone would come around on voting Ulti.

I mean...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Votals
Tom (5), (Eaed), (Puns), Death, Corrik, eaed, Pez, 5tar
Ulti(3), (eaed) IGCD, Mzero, puns, (eaed), (pez)
IGCD(1), Ulit
Death (1): Tom
Puns(0), (Ulti), (Corrik)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends on Thursday June 6th at 11pm edt, 8 pm pdt, or when someone reaches 7 votes.

It's probably too scummy to be scum tho. Right... Right....?

MZero11 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

so I'm scum who moved my vote from SBell to Tom when my scum buddy red was about to hang

There was a game recently where I think Sheep did this as scum and coasted to endgame on it

or something similar anyway

So town it hurts

MZero11 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

The wild card there would be scum having a role cop and using it on me.

Yeah they scanned you vanilla and said "let's claim a track on him how can this possibly backfire"

So town
turbopuns3 posted...

Corrik please don't do anything dumb tonight predicated on me being scum, kthx

I'll tease you if you do

This post is still so awful.
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Corrik7 posted...

Puns refused to hammer Tom

Can I just say I hope you are scum because the frequency with which you utterly twist words nonstop to imply things that are literally untrue is just mind boggling

turbopuns3 posted...

Corrik7
UltimaterializerX
red13n

Serious, important question.

Let's pretend that all of you are town.

Who is scum then?

Corrik7 posted...

If all 3 are town, 5tar and Puns or 5tar and Panthera.

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Leafeon13N posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Red, who is corrik's partner?

Panth?

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UltimaterializerX posted...

TOWN: KILL CORRIK, THEN PANTHERA, THEN 5TARSCREAM. WIN THIS GAME BROS, AND GOOD NIGHT!!!!

##Vote: Panthera

Not gonna overthink this. Panth has been pandering quite a lot this game. Nothing in the voting record to help his case. He's never even been voted, either. (just a stupid thing where ulti voted 4 people in the same post day 1). Classic case of scum stays out of the way while town big dogs fight.

plus PoE and other things making me think red/IGCD/MZero are town

Panth is scum.

Going back i am 99% certain Mzero is town. Panth i am about 80% certain is town. IGCD has to be town as of role meta at this point and he looks super town anyways without it.

5tar, looks better if death is accurate about him and Tom being in a Tiff day 1. I don't think 5tar gets in a Tiff with a teammate as scum.

This leaves Red and Puns. Surprise surprise.

I think I am more towards Red then Puns.

However, I obviously have zero good will built up after yesterday. So, not many lynches I can probably convince people of today.

So, red, you say you are town. You say you have done nothing of note all game, which pez says makes you scummy, so logically analyze the game. Show me you are town.

Show me why I shouldn't think ur scum. That would make the game a lot easier for me if you can show me you are town.
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IGCD what was your action last night?
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I gotta shower and rearrange my living room tonight. Cya tomorrow

(sewage leak was determined to be directly beneath my kitchen so they're coming in and jackhammering the floor to fix it while I stay in a hotel for 3 nights yaaaaay)

turbopuns3 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Puns refused to hammer Tom

Can I just say I hope you are scum because the frequency with which you utterly twist words nonstop to imply things that are literally untrue is just mind boggling

I said hammer Tom. You said no, I will later if no one has yet while keeping ur vote on Ulti.
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Good evening

Alright so at this point, IGCD is confirmed barring some claim that seems unlikely to have waited this long (I believe Red, Puns, and myself are unclaimed now?) and on that note, I'm Ricochet, Face (Town) Vanilla. New to roster, need to work hard, etc.

I'm still sold on Corrik as town, I feel like the anti-Corrik crowd is kind of glossing over the discussion of scum having multiple lynch influencing roles being excessive. MZero's day 1 still bugs me a bit for how irrelevant he was, but since then his posts have generally been constructive and felt like town trying to figure things out. I won't rule him out entirely but I feel pretty comfortable putting him in the town category.

Leaves 5tar, Red and Puns. In that order, I think. 5tar's behavior this game just hasn't really added up from a town mindset, his entire thought process on thinking Death and Scare were linked as scum and then forgetting his read on Scare was built on Death being scum too doesn't feel like a mistake town would make. He focused a lot on them day 1 but never voted for either, going for Red instead who Scare started the train on. 5tar at one point day 1 said he was trying to choose between Red and Tom, before settling on Red. Makes Red/5tar look less likely as teammates, his vote came when the Red lynch looked like it could happen and he had to leave right after.

Red was in the background a lot early on, though he obviously had reason to be busy. He came alive on day 3 to argue for Ulti being town. He was pretty adamant about it but didn't really address the arguments against what he was saying. Feels like it might have been trying to look good by defending a townie who was very likely to be lynched (and if I'm right about Corrik, which I'm pretty sure I am, there would be no downside), he just didn't seem interested enough in considering how he could be wrong for it to be genuine.

Puns I felt good about early on, but by process of elimination he's here and his last day was starting to bug me. His reread of Eaed felt very awkward, like going through the motions. He said he had a theory that Eaed would bus his team hard to survive to endgame, then ultimately concluded he didn't know either way if that was happening because there was a lack of evidence, which calls into question why he'd bring it up in the first place besides trying to look like the analysis was more than it was. I'll have to look back on how he handled the Gladiator claim and this role fishing Corrik says he's been doing because I don't remember it clearly.

So that's where I am. 5tar > Red > Puns, with the caveat that 5tar being scum makes Red less likely.

turbopuns3 posted...

Not gonna overthink this. Panth has been pandering quite a lot this game. Nothing in the voting record to help his case. He's never even been voted, either. (just a stupid thing where ulti voted 4 people in the same post day 1). Classic case of scum stays out of the way while town big dogs fight.

I would say staying out of the way and being indecisive was me for much of day 3, but not before that. IGCD revealing his track was fake was demoralizing so yeah, I know I was a bit at a loss after that, but the first two days I was generally pretty involved when I was around.
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MZero11 posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kill this man with FIRE on day 2 after we kill Stu today

Chill. I was equally (in)active last day 1, too. You probably didn't notice because you were scum.

This implies Ulti is not scum this game because he did notice. But now you're calling him scum! Why did you think he was town before?

just remember this post from Day 1. Looks even worse with Ulti flipping town

Did puns slip that he Ulti was scum? hmmm
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heck I can't type

Did puns slip that he knew Ulti was town

is what I meant to say >__>
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I thought your argument for day 1 was me being on SBell. I was on red or Tom and sides with red because I felt his inactivity was weak excuse and he could have been more active. I was on Tom because of Pezs original read and the fact that he literally altered his style after that. I went with red over Tom because the lynch seemed more likely and Id already stated I believed SBell was town and didnt want him lynched. The main people that seem to have suspected me are you ea and Tom. Im gonna say we go 3 for 3.

##Vote: Panth

I feel like between IGCD has been the worst sleeper agent ever and has done way more harm than good with his scans and his lying. I think hes down but hes done more work for scum than they have themselves.
Mzero I think is town and red too.
That leaves either puns as scum or Corrik as scum gladiator. Corrik makes some sense just in terms of his targets but he could just have completely fucked up using his power cos he got trigger happy. If we assume Panth is roleblocker that would make puns Godfather or vice versa. This seems more likely to me than Corrik having some sort of dual OP role.

MZero I see your argument but I'm just not sold Puns would make that kind of mistake legitimately. Like I feel that comes from just thinking of the previous game without considering how it relates to this one, and I think a guy with that mindset would talk that way regardless of alignment.

5tarscream posted...

I thought your argument for day 1 was me being on SBell. I was on red or Tom and sides with red because I felt his inactivity was weak excuse and he could have been more active. I was on Tom because of Pezs original read and the fact that he literally altered his style after that. I went with red over Tom because the lynch seemed more likely and Id already stated I believed SBell was town and didnt want him lynched. The main people that seem to have suspected me are you ea and Tom. Im gonna say we go 3 for 3.

My argument day 1 was you attacking Death, declaring that Scare was his teammate and attacking you to defend him, then deciding Death might not be scum but still feeling Scare was even though your read on him was based entirely on Death being scum. Like how do you logically arrive at thinking I was after you day 1 for being on SBell when you were barely on him, if you'd even call it that, to begin with? You never voted him and switched from thinking he was scummy to calling him bad town early on.
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The only thing related to SBell I can think of taking much note of with you was you talking to him like you knew he was town, which is the exact opposite of attacking you for "being on SBell"
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