Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1322

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BarbaricAvatar posted...

Can always count on Gamefaqs to worship anything Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo.
I'm glad i didn't grow up with any of these games, i have a more balanced view of the industry as a consequence.

Well then, sucks for you I guess. Especially if you think being able to analyze the industry objectively is more important than actually playing some of the best games ever created.
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Popular things suck, I don't even play them. I am very smart.

BarbaricAvatar posted...

Can always count on Gamefaqs to worship anything Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo.
I'm glad i didn't grow up with any of these games, i have a more balanced view of the industry as a consequence.

And that balance is what? Worshipping garbage like fortnite and CoD? Ok
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To be fair Konami, Enix, Atlus, Capcom, Blizzard and such do exist and were amazing once.
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Averia posted...

Maybe I'm overestimating DroneFaqs but I'm pretty sure no one could challenge Link without rallies.
Batman would be 40-60ed by Link too.

Back in the mid-2000s, I would have confidently taken Batman over Link. Batman has more fanboys than any character ever.

Now though all the casuals are gone, and this site is super hardcore gamers with massive nostalgia goggles. I have a lot less confidence in Batman now.

But if you think Batman couldnt get bandwagon or rallied past Link, I mean...come on. Its certainly far from a lock, but one has to acknowledge the possibility.

Its freakin Batman.

Literally Batman. The most fanboy worshipped character ever.

I think Batmans popularity has actually declined somewhat due to the popularity of the MCU. He isnt so much *the* superhero now. But hes still Batman.

Also the thing about fictionals is the ridiculous depth. Marvel and Star Wars alone probably have a ton of characters whod be lower midcard or better.

Then youve got random stuff like LOTR and DBZ. Id say were long past peak DBZ, but some characters could still do OK. But the point is the crazy number of universes to draw from.

I wonder how Game of Thrones characters would do. I think theyd do less well than LOTR because of their...realness, I guess. I have less confidence in them because they seem more like normal people than archetypical characters. But maybe Im wrong and Tyrion Lannister or Jaime or Ned would do well. But Id expect Gandalf and Aragorn to do better. Also I think having real actors in match pics would be very bad IMO - it just looks awkward. LOTR would be more likely to have fan art than actors.

But, I think the comic characters would be the strongest, along with Vader. The Joker would likely do very well. Magneto too. Spider-Man, Wolverine, Thor, Iron Man should all be strong. But Batman and Spider-Man should be the strongest.

Id pick Batman, Vader and maybe Spider-Man to be the strongest.

I mean, do you seriously think Sonic can beat Spider-Man or Darth Vader? I think theyd beat him easily.

Please keep these contests to just video game character-originals, thanks.
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I'm a regular in a anime forum (Naruto Forums) and the people there are just crazy for Dragon Ball.

Not just crazy, it's the most popular thing there by a mile.

Now that DB Super has ended it's slowly deflating but a year ago it was the big thing. I mean you would expect people to pick a new thing since Naruto is over (lol Boruto) but it's funny that a DB sequel was what got they interested over ton of modern anime/manga.

Point is, DBZ is the Zelda of anime. People are crazy for it. The nostalgia goggles here are extremely strong.
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creativename posted...

I mean, do you seriously think Sonic can beat Spider-Man or Darth Vader? I think theyd beat him easily.

Well, you're talking about a character who might not be in the top 20 in terms of strength anymore versus likely two of the five strongest characters not to originate in video gaming. I would not be confident about Spider-Man or Darth Vader or even Batman beating Mega Man, for example.
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MetalmindStats posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense.

Why? And don't say "muh previous contests" when you're denying that Mario could have pulled rSFF on an indirectly stronger Samus.

Ryu has historically been one of the most consistant characters. If Chun-Li looked like shit I might have believed it, but she looked really good as well, and so did Ryu in every match prior to running into Seph.

I dunno, you all seem pretty convinced, but nothing anyone has said has convinced me that you guys are right about the placement of Samus/Zelda/Seph. There are too many leaps in logic to peg Samus indirectly higher than Mario, and Sephiroth being any weaker than Mega Man and Crono.
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I'm all for a bonus match where Link faces someone like Batman, in the same way it was fun to see Link face Santa...but these contests celebrate video games and it's a video game site. I'd lose a lot of interest if you bring in other media sources as the policy.
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BarbaricAvatar posted...

Can always count on Gamefaqs to worship anything Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo.
I'm glad i didn't grow up with any of these games, i have a more balanced view of the industry as a consequence.

Missing out on a lot of the objectively best video games ever made is 'balanced'? I guess you're kind of right, when you haven't played any of the best games, I suppose all the shitty games like Fortnite look a lot better by comparison
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Ryu has historically been one of the most consistant characters.

MetalmindStats posted...

And don't say "muh previous contests"

Hmmm...

To more properly address this, Ryu did not look good at all in his Round 1 or Round 3 matches. His result against Lloyd was barely ahead of Fox's 2010 percentage, and he failed to contend for a doubling on KOS-MOS after she looked off all contest. (And it's no wonder, given her lack of TJF this time around.) Ryu's only good performance before Sephiroth was against Shepard, and we all know what happened to him. As for why Chun-Li looked good despite all that, for one, I do think she's legitimately gotten stronger over the years, as her increase from something like 26% (as of 2002) to 43% against Ryu in the latest favorite Street Fighter character poll would indicate. I would also propose that voters take out their frustration over failed games/series disproportionately on their main character or other face of the series due to associating them most heavily with the state of the series in question, hence why Shepard looked on par with Garrus at best, and why Snake looked so much weaker than before. This would also explain why Ryu looked so off, given Street Fighter V.

Also, that "leap in logic" that me and others are using to put Samus ahead of Mario indirectly is the same one that you're using to claim Ryu hasn't decreased, except we're at least conceding that things have changed in the past 10+ years - in this case, we're admitting that Mario's ability to pull hierarchy on Samus has weakened significantly (or at least I don't think I've seen anyone claim that Samus would score close to 60% on a neutral character of Mario's strength). Another point in favor of Samus being indirectly ahead of Mario - Samus scored over 56% on Snake, whose result against Zelda was very similar to Mario's. While I'll concede that late contest weirdness and limited transitivity contributed to that, you're calling for a practically unprecedented margin of weirdness by saying Samus isn't indirectly ahead of Mario given those results. Furthermore, SFF hierarchies weakening also dovetails nicely with that Tifa > Sephiroth result. It's also worth noting that putting Sephiroth about on par with Mega Man and Crono results in Yoshi scoring ~56% on Amaterasu and Bowser pulling about 57% on her, versus Luigi's 59% in 2010. Not a huge difference, yes, but I would not expect those Mario characters to move in the wrong direction in terms of strength compared to Amaterasu, given their recent relevance and her lack of it.
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Amused at all the projection going on as to my taste in games.
And "best ever" of anything is ALWAYS subjective, stop pretending it's anything else. But the variety of salty responses all but prove my point about the cabal of fanatics who can't handle people liking other things.
It's a guarantee that every contest will go one of three ways: Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo in general. I'm cool with that otherwise i wouldn't frequent this site, but you're kidding yourselves if you think these contests are neutral from the outset.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense.

Why? And don't say "muh previous contests" when you're denying that Mario could have pulled rSFF on an indirectly stronger Samus.

Ryu has historically been one of the most consistant characters. If Chun-Li looked like shit I might have believed it, but she looked really good as well, and so did Ryu in every match prior to running into Seph.

I dunno, you all seem pretty convinced, but nothing anyone has said has convinced me that you guys are right about the placement of Samus/Zelda/Seph. There are too many leaps in logic to peg Samus indirectly higher than Mario, and Sephiroth being any weaker than Mega Man and Crono.

You can't just throw out the Tifa match. Even if it was some weird fluke that Tifa won, if Seph got 51% it's still a terrible performance given Tifa is a less important character from the same game. Also, since Crono got something like 55% on Bowser, that would require a 14% strength gap between Mario and Bowser for Crono = Seph. I just don't see the gap being that large, especially with Mario not looking too great against anyone besides Seph.
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BarbaricAvatar posted...

but you're kidding yourselves if you think these contests are neutral from the outset.

literally who is arguing this
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Link vs Cloud in the final....they same some things never change, but we've taken it to a whole new level.
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everyone is biased except for me. my opinions are very objective and neutral

HaRRicH posted...

Please keep these contests to just video game character-originals, thanks.

Please make these contests ten times more interesting rather than the same old crap weve seen a bazillion times, thanks.

The people whining and demanding Link be removed from the bracket should be demanding fictionals.

God, such a contest would be SOOOO much more interesting that its just outrageous. That people would be against this is just weird to me. I highly doubt most would be against it.

Certainly the activity level in these topics would go up a lot if we had a fictionals contest. There would be so much more to discuss.

There seems to be no downsides except maybe for some strange sense of conservativism or traditionalism that some might have.

I mean, you dont actually believe such a contest would be less FUN right?

So if it would be more *fun* - why are you against it?

And if you really do think it would be less fun - how could that possibly be? How is Wolverine vs. Sonic and Spider-Man vs. Snake not more interesting than same old, same old...?

What is sooo great, so amazing about the same group of ten elites dominating everything all the time, with Link a virtual lock to win? I would very much like to know what you think is so wonderful about this.

I mean Im genuinely curious. Whats the logic here?

I find it impossible, absolutely impossible that such a contest wouldnt be more fun.

Make contests great again!

BarbaricAvatar posted...

Amused at all the projection going on as to my taste in games.
And "best ever" of anything is ALWAYS subjective, stop pretending it's anything else. But the variety of salty responses all but prove my point about the cabal of fanatics who can't handle people liking other things.
It's a guarantee that every contest will go one of three ways: Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo in general. I'm cool with that otherwise i wouldn't frequent this site, but you're kidding yourselves if you think these contests are neutral from the outset.

Errr...you sure seem salty that people like other things than you. Like, what?

Youre free to not like Nintendo and Final Fantasy, but to get salty about people liking those things, then mock people for getting salty that people cant handle others liking different things - this is a no go bro.

And what does neutral even mean? What are you talking about?

I can kind of understand where the purists are coming from but I am up for anything that makes contests more interesting.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I can kind of understand where the purists are coming from but I am up for anything that makes contests more interesting.

Well personally Im pretty baffled.

I am extremely curious to know the mindset there, because I am afraid I genuinely do not understand.

creativename posted...

What is sooo great, so amazing about the same group of ten elites dominating everything all the time, with Link a virtual lock to win? I would very much like to know what you think is so wonderful about this.

i mean, having a link/zelda final was pretty interesting to me.

i'm not against a contest with non-game characters but there was enough interesting stuff happening this contest for me to still like game character contests.
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MetalmindStats posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Ryu has historically been one of the most consistant characters.

MetalmindStats posted...

And don't say "muh previous contests"

Hmmm...

To more properly address this, Ryu did not look good at all in his Round 1 or Round 3 matches. His result against Lloyd was barely ahead of Fox's 2010 percentage, and he failed to contend for a doubling on KOS-MOS after she looked off all contest. (And it's no wonder, given her lack of TJF this time around.) Ryu's only good performance before Sephiroth was against Shepard, and we all know what happened to him. As for why Chun-Li looked good despite all that, for one, I do think she's legitimately gotten stronger over the years, as her increase from something like 26% (as of 2002) to 43% against Ryu in the latest favorite Street Fighter character poll would indicate. I would also propose that voters take out their frustration over failed games/series disproportionately on their main character or other face of the series due to associating them most heavily with the state of the series in question, hence why Shepard looked on par with Garrus at best, and why Snake looked so much weaker than before. This would also explain why Ryu looked so off, given Street Fighter V.

Also, that "leap in logic" that me and others are using to put Samus ahead of Mario indirectly is the same one that you're using to claim Ryu hasn't decreased, except we're at least conceding that things have changed in the past 10+ years - in this case, we're admitting that Mario's ability to pull hierarchy on Samus has weakened significantly (or at least I don't think I've seen anyone claim that Samus would score close to 60% on a neutral character of Mario's strength). Another point in favor of Samus being indirectly ahead of Mario - Samus scored over 56% on Snake, whose result against Zelda was very similar to Mario's. While I'll concede that late contest weirdness and limited transitivity contributed to that, you're calling for a practically unprecedented margin of weirdness by saying Samus isn't indirectly ahead of Mario given those results. Furthermore, SFF hierarchies weakening also dovetails nicely with that Tifa > Sephiroth result. It's also worth noting that putting Sephiroth about on par with Mega Man and Crono results in Yoshi scoring ~56% on Amaterasu and Bowser pulling about 57% on her, versus Luigi's 59% in 2010. Not a huge difference, yes, but I would not expect those Mario characters to move in the wrong direction in terms of strength compared to Amaterasu, given their recent relevance and her lack of it.

Again, historically Occam's Razor has been very applicable to contest results: the answer with the least assumptions is often the correct one. You took 2 giant paragraphs of dancing around to come to your conclusion, all I did was throw out the really weird Tifa/Seph match and everything else fell into place.
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creativename posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I can kind of understand where the purists are coming from but I am up for anything that makes contests more interesting.

Well personally Im pretty baffled.

I am extremely curious to know the mindset there, because I am afraid I genuinely do not understand.

I guess it feels weird if our little videogame contest gets hijacked by a bunch of mass media characters we are used to seeing everywhere. It's like a tribe thing I guess. We want to have our Links and our Clouds since it's the only place we can.

But holding another CB after this one is not gonna be more fun unless we wait another 5 years, and I don't want that either. I want to see twists like that.
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I mean imo the appeal of CBX is that we had no decent stats on characters so we were able to get some unpredictable matches. And with no large scale rallies which is great.

Now 2018 stats are gonna be the new 2010 stats. They will be reliable for a while. Another CB in say, 2021, can't really be as interesting as this one.

So fictional characters add a chance to see something new.
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I think Tifa got semi rallied during that match and Seph probably caught on too as a result
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Let's just have a best movie contest featuring characters that have at least some ties to video games. We'll have 0 xstats and it will be very fresh. Anyone against it is against fun.

Back to the Future vs Iron Man II let's go.
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Came back from work, checked the results. This is what I have to say.

Final match=Cloud above 40%! Oh yeah.

Also I have said so many times that EVERY character that has appeared in a videogame should be eligible. It is the ONLY way to have interesting matches any more. Lincoln, Superman, Vegeta, Chuck Norris, John Cena and there is no limit.

I think we should however have them at a limit, I mean for example half characters in a bracket should be from videogames only and half should be from any video game ever, and have them in the 1st round at least to face each other.

This will make everything excited, because we will not know the power of these characters and they might even catch a rally!
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

creativename posted...

What is sooo great, so amazing about the same group of ten elites dominating everything all the time, with Link a virtual lock to win? I would very much like to know what you think is so wonderful about this.

i mean, having a link/zelda final was pretty interesting to me.

i'm not against a contest with non-game characters but there was enough interesting stuff happening this contest for me to still like game character contests.

Oh I definitely liked this contest.

The lack of ridiculous uber-rallies for turbofodder made it much more fun. Small dualing rallies between similar level opponents are fun. Massive guaranteed win rallies for turbofodder are pretty boring to me.

But while this contest was more fun than any weve had for some time to me, it definitely wasnt at the level a fictionals contest would be.

Frankly, I think the people who are against this idea would come around and embrace it once the official bracket came out and they realized how much more interesting things had gotten.

I mean, just think about a totally random match like Yoda vs. Sonic or Pikachu. Or Han Solo vs. Ryu. Iron Man vs. Squall. How are these not more interesting than the same old stuff?

With how static the user base of this site is, these characters really dont shift in strength all that much, so even our shocking results are actually not all that shocking in an absolute sense.

I do think most people who might be reluctant now - I suppose due to instinctual territorialism or something? - would change their minds once things actually got official and tangible.

squexa posted...

Let's just have a best movie contest featuring characters that have at least some ties to video games. We'll have 0 xstats and it will be very fresh. Anyone against it is against fun.

Back to the Future vs Iron Man II let's go.

Sigh.

Why do people keep twisting this into a parody concept about Abraham Lincoln or movies, then attack the parody, rather than attempting to voice reasonable criticisms of the actual concept being promoted?

Makes me strongly suspect these reasonable criticisms dont actually exist. Maybe someone will voice one, but I havent seen it yet.

Go ahead. Tell me how this contest *wouldnt* be more fun with fictionals, since thats what you seem to be implying.

Safer_777 posted...

Came back from work, checked the results. This is what I have to say.

Final match=Cloud above 40%! Oh yeah.

Also I have said so many times that EVERY character that has appeared in a videogame should be eligible. It is the ONLY way to have interesting matches any more. Lincoln, Superman, Vegeta, Chuck Norris, John Cena and there is no limit.

I think we should however have them at a limit, I mean for example half characters in a bracket should be from videogames only and half should be from any video game ever, and have them in the 1st round at least to face each other.

This will make everything excited, because we will not know the power of these characters and they might even catch a rally!

Im totally against the real life figures because theyd almost certainly be joke turbofodder. Plus they wouldnt have fan art pics, and real life pictures in match pics would be very out of place.

I agree about the 50/50 bracket and mixed first round. Ive had those ideas myself.

Wow you really are against a movie idea huh.. tell me why this is a bad idea. We'll have 0 xstats and it will be cool to see which movies this site likes, since the field is completely open.
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@creativename Yeah thanks. Better than have another characters contest where Link wins or another Games contest where LTTP, Ocarina or BOTW wins.
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creativename posted...

HaRRicH posted...

Please keep these contests to just video game character-originals, thanks.

Please make these contests ten times more interesting rather than the same old crap weve seen a bazillion times, thanks.

The people whining and demanding Link be removed from the bracket should be demanding fictionals.

God, such a contest would be SOOOO much more interesting that its just outrageous. That people would be against this is just weird to me. I highly doubt most would be against it.

Certainly the activity level in these topics would go up a lot if we had a fictionals contest. There would be so much more to discuss.

There seems to be no downsides except maybe for some strange sense of conservativism or traditionalism that some might have.

I mean, you dont actually believe such a contest would be less FUN right?

So if it would be more *fun* - why are you against it?

And if you really do think it would be less fun - how could that possibly be? How is Wolverine vs. Sonic and Spider-Man vs. Snake not more interesting than same old, same old...?

What is sooo great, so amazing about the same group of ten elites dominating everything all the time, with Link a virtual lock to win? I would very much like to know what you think is so wonderful about this.

I mean Im genuinely curious. Whats the logic here?

I find it impossible, absolutely impossible that such a contest wouldnt be more fun.

Make contests great again!

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Change for the sake of change is never a good thing. This contest was fascinating from start to finish, despite the numerous bullshit rallies
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I agree with creative name. If we get more characters it will make this site more popular
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squexa posted...

Wow you really are against a movie idea huh.. tell me why this is a bad idea. We'll have 0 xstats and it will be cool to see which movies this site likes, since the field is completely open.

Why is contest with fictionals not more fun.

Tell me. Go on. Im waiting. Since thats what your post seemed to be implying.

I'd like to see an all-fictional contest but can everyone drop the ridiculous pretense that these characters' video game appearances actually matter much? That's not why you want them in and that's not why they could potentially be strong. You're not fooling SBAllen or helping your case!

(I recall ngamer being particularly bad about this)
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creativename posted...

BarbaricAvatar posted...

Amused at all the projection going on as to my taste in games.
And "best ever" of anything is ALWAYS subjective, stop pretending it's anything else. But the variety of salty responses all but prove my point about the cabal of fanatics who can't handle people liking other things.
It's a guarantee that every contest will go one of three ways: Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo in general. I'm cool with that otherwise i wouldn't frequent this site, but you're kidding yourselves if you think these contests are neutral from the outset.

Errr...you sure seem salty that people like other things than you. Like, what?

Youre free to not like Nintendo and Final Fantasy, but to get salty about people liking those things, then mock people for getting salty that people cant handle others liking different things - this is a no go bro.

And what does neutral even mean? What are you talking about?

I guess you haven't read the other responses to my initial post. I don't have a problem with people liking things, i just can't see how this contest is anything other than a fanclub which doesn't allow outsiders to take part.
Neutral means having a setup that suits everyone, not just the fans of the things oneself likes. So (for example) instead of putting everything together and then seeing the resultant whitewash consisting of Zelda, Final Fantasy or general Nintendo characters come to the finals (because those are the favoured games of this site). You'd force a situation where voters have to choose between their favourites in order to find the most popular 3 or 4 which then go into a pot with the same number of characters from other systems and genres.
Sure, the end result will probably be Link again but it would have gone through a much fairer and transparent process to get there. Rather than 1 or 2 of the popular characters from mainstream gaming losing to secondary, tertiary and lower characters from one of the three aforementioned sections simply because those games are more popular around here than shooters or slashers.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

creativename posted...

HaRRicH posted...

Please keep these contests to just video game character-originals, thanks.

Please make these contests ten times more interesting rather than the same old crap weve seen a bazillion times, thanks.

The people whining and demanding Link be removed from the bracket should be demanding fictionals.

God, such a contest would be SOOOO much more interesting that its just outrageous. That people would be against this is just weird to me. I highly doubt most would be against it.

Certainly the activity level in these topics would go up a lot if we had a fictionals contest. There would be so much more to discuss.

There seems to be no downsides except maybe for some strange sense of conservativism or traditionalism that some might have.

I mean, you dont actually believe such a contest would be less FUN right?

So if it would be more *fun* - why are you against it?

And if you really do think it would be less fun - how could that possibly be? How is Wolverine vs. Sonic and Spider-Man vs. Snake not more interesting than same old, same old...?

What is sooo great, so amazing about the same group of ten elites dominating everything all the time, with Link a virtual lock to win? I would very much like to know what you think is so wonderful about this.

I mean Im genuinely curious. Whats the logic here?

I find it impossible, absolutely impossible that such a contest wouldnt be more fun.

Make contests great again!

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Change for the sake of change is never a good thing. This contest was fascinating from start to finish, despite the numerous bullshit rallies

Explain how adding popular characters to a popularity contest in a way that would increase the fun, interest and discussion levels, could possibly be characterized as change for the sake of change.

This contest was better than the last few ones, but come on. It would have been radically more fascinating with fictionals.

I dont see how the idea of yet another vanilla contest with these same characters, and a static userbase whose preferences dont change much, turns anyone on.

Whats so hot about another vanilla contest? Does Cloud vs. Samus really seem more sexy to you than Samus vs. Batman?

You seem to want to resist improvement just for the sake of resisting change.

Instead of adding stuff like Spidey and Abraham Lincoln, why not a worst character contest where the loser advances? Id nominate Jake from Final Fantasy Brave Exvius.

Of course that means a lot of people would probably nominate Link or Cloud out of spite.

so your "fairer and transparent process" would be build a gimmicky and SFF-filled format so that more fodder from games/series most of gamefaqs doesn't actually care about can get in, because you don't like the things most of the site likes
well okay then
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creativename posted...

squexa posted...

Wow you really are against a movie idea huh.. tell me why this is a bad idea. We'll have 0 xstats and it will be cool to see which movies this site likes, since the field is completely open.

Why is contest with fictionals not more fun.

Tell me. Go on. Im waiting. Since thats what your post seemed to be implying.

I'm only proposing a movie contest, as a counterpart to the games contest.

Idea: Best movie (with video game adaptations).
- It's related to video games because the movies must have an official game based on it
- Most movies aren't even eligible. Casablanca? Citizen Kane? No games, no entry.
- Most post-90s action movies are in
- Movies are f***ing awesome

1 v 1. 24 hours. We can have a loser's bracket with proper seeding.

Field is open. 0 x-stats. Anyone can win. I have yet seen anyone counter this idea with anything other than asking an unrelated question.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

I'd like to see an all-fictional contest but can everyone drop the ridiculous pretense that these characters' video game appearances actually matter much? That's not why you want them in and that's not why they could potentially be strong. You're not fooling SBAllen or helping your case!

(I recall ngamer being particularly bad about this)

Pretense? Obviously the video game appearance thing is why theyd be relevant to the site. You wont see me arguing for the inclusion of characters whove never appeared in a game, because that would be silly. The game appearance requirement is just a way to avoid silliness, basically.

But in no way is Spider-Man or Batman irrelevant to gaming. You could say some fictionals would have trivial game appearances that are irrelevant, but most of the powerhouses will probably have had some significant game appearance.

Of course their game appearances arent why they would be strong. I dont really see the importance of this.

Also the game appearance requirement would help to limit fodder as any character worth anything should have been in a game. Also real life figures should be fodder so you want fictionals only.

I could definitely see the argument to limit this to game originals only in 2K3. In 2018, I just cant see the point.

squexa posted...

creativename posted...

squexa posted...

Wow you really are against a movie idea huh.. tell me why this is a bad idea. We'll have 0 xstats and it will be cool to see which movies this site likes, since the field is completely open.

Why is contest with fictionals not more fun.

Tell me. Go on. Im waiting. Since thats what your post seemed to be implying.

I'm only proposing a movie contest, as a counterpart to the games contest.

Idea: Best movie (with video game adaptations).
- It's related to video games because the movies must have an official game based on it
- Most movies aren't even eligible. Casablanca? Citizen Kane? No games, no entry.
- Most post-90s action movies are in
- Movies are f***ing awesome

1 v 1. 24 hours. We can have a loser's bracket with proper seeding.

Field is open. 0 x-stats. Anyone can win. I have yet seen anyone counter this idea with anything other than asking an unrelated question.

So you cant explain how a fictionals contest would fail to be more fun. Yup, thats what I figured.

BarbaricAvatar posted...

creativename posted...

BarbaricAvatar posted...

Amused at all the projection going on as to my taste in games.
And "best ever" of anything is ALWAYS subjective, stop pretending it's anything else. But the variety of salty responses all but prove my point about the cabal of fanatics who can't handle people liking other things.
It's a guarantee that every contest will go one of three ways: Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo in general. I'm cool with that otherwise i wouldn't frequent this site, but you're kidding yourselves if you think these contests are neutral from the outset.

Errr...you sure seem salty that people like other things than you. Like, what?

Youre free to not like Nintendo and Final Fantasy, but to get salty about people liking those things, then mock people for getting salty that people cant handle others liking different things - this is a no go bro.

And what does neutral even mean? What are you talking about?

I guess you haven't read the other responses to my initial post. I don't have a problem with people liking things, i just can't see how this contest is anything other than a fanclub which doesn't allow outsiders to take part.
Neutral means having a setup that suits everyone, not just the fans of the things oneself likes. So (for example) instead of putting everything together and then seeing the resultant whitewash consisting of Zelda, Final Fantasy or general Nintendo characters come to the finals (because those are the favoured games of this site). You'd force a situation where voters have to choose between their favourites in order to find the most popular 3 or 4 which then go into a pot with the same number of characters from other systems and genres.
Sure, the end result will probably be Link again but it would have gone through a much fairer and transparent process to get there. Rather than 1 or 2 of the popular characters from mainstream gaming losing to secondary, tertiary and lower characters from one of the three aforementioned sections simply because those games are more popular around here than shooters or slashers.

Outsiders have hijacked these contests on multiple occasions.

I legitimately dont even understand your supposed neutral setup.

I also think you fail to understand the concept of a popularity contest. You act like popular characters winning a popularity contest is a bad thing.

And fair to you is rigging the system against popular characters? What are you, a commie? Do we need to toss you from a helicopter ;)

So how do you even obtain a "neutral" setup?

Host a game in a site where most of the population are teenagers?

Oh, but now you have rigged the contest in favor of characters who appeal to modern teenagers.

Why is it wrong that people on a 20 year old site like 20 year old games? Ive never undertood why that pisses people off. Why is it wrong that 30 year olds hang out here to enjoy their favorite characters? Are you not allowed to do that? Should we shut down GFaqs and force those 30 year olds to go into places where people don't like old games, or what?
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@ZeldaTPLink The problem is that the old games are good yeah, but come on now, the modern games are more fun to play. Let us be real here.
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I'm mostly neutral on fictional characters, mostly because I doubt they would overrun the bracket. In the end this is a video game website and whether Isaac is the fodderline or Harry Potter it doesn't matter, especially since we've allowed literal blocks in the bracket so any kind of moral high ground is gone over a decade ago.
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Safer_777 posted...

@ZeldaTPLink The problem is that the old games are good yeah, but come on now, the modern games are more fun to play. Let us be real here.

That sounds like an opinion to me!!
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Safer_777 posted...

@ZeldaTPLink The problem is that the old games are good yeah, but come on now, the modern games are more fun to play. Let us be real here.

That's like, your opinion, man.

And even if they are, the fact is that most people here do not have time to play all those new games. We do play a few of them, but not all. It's also a fact that people will always love the things they grew up with more than the ones they met as adults.

You are fighting a trend that is not worth fighting. That's like going to a place where a bunch of old people are playing cards and screaming "WHY ARE YOU PLAYING CARDS WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER DO THINGS TO DO NOWADAYS!". They have a right to enjoy cards. Getting mad because people like things that appeal to their generation is selfish.
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