Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1322

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

garetha200 posted...

If Tifa is legitimately stronger than Sephiroth, then Samus had a stronger round 1 of the Legends Bracket than Mario did. And since that's the only round where you can compare them and they seemed pretty even directly, saying Samus is stronger indirectly makes a lot of sense.

Only problem with that is I don't buy for a second that Tifa beat Seph. I trust Tifa/Samus as most of the weirdness this contest has been hentai rallies and the general SJWFF we saw in a few matches. If you trust Tifa/Samus and Tifa/Seph, that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense. The only explanation that makes sense across the board is the following:

- Sephiroth is around Mega Man/Crono level
- Zelda is also naturally around that level and benefitted greatly from her bandwagon and hentai rallies
- Samus/Mario 1 is an accurate representation of Samus
- Snake is the only real outlier here as Snake/Samus and Snake/Sonic can't both be accurate and still make sense in the grand scheme of things

The fuck you talking about? None of what you said makes sense. How the hell is zelda around Seph level? Even her results against Aeros and squall should tell you shes stronger. Seph barely broke 60 On Ryu. Zelda dismantled squall by a much larger margin

Also stop saying hentai rallies when that only happens in the tifa x match and probably gained about 500 votes at best.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Can we not have one wih non exclusive game characters? Its been nearly 20 years surely we can do one with non exclusive game characters? It would be way more fun.

This would be the best scenario.

I dont really understand the reluctance from Allen.

All the people complaining about Lets remove Link from the contest! Hes too stronkkkk!!! Should be asking for a fictionals contest. Add Batman and Darth Vader into the mix. Suddenly Link doesnt look so safe.

Also even if Link is naturally stronger than Batman now, would it be a shock if Batman wins via bandwagon or rally? I dont think so.

Seriously, everyone wanting Link removed from the bracket - because hes too popular to be in a popularity contest - should instead be demanding a contest with Darth Vader and Batman and Spider-Man.

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Finally found the match pics.

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/x/user/link-f-boss-f.png (WHAT)

Thats Link? What is this? Is this mislabeled?

Wasnt this being used for Zelda too?

No, that's Link wearing Zelda's dress, opposite Cloud in a dress.

Why does he have green hair? Why is he in a dress? What game is this?

Im so confused.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Legendary_Dress
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Finally found the match pics.

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/x/user/link-f-boss-f.png (WHAT)

Thats Link? What is this? Is this mislabeled?

Wasnt this being used for Zelda too?

No, that's Link wearing Zelda's dress, opposite Cloud in a dress.

Why does he have green hair? Why is he in a dress? What game is this?

Im so confused.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Legendary_Dress

Thanks.

But...why is his hair green??

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

garetha200 posted...

If Tifa is legitimately stronger than Sephiroth, then Samus had a stronger round 1 of the Legends Bracket than Mario did. And since that's the only round where you can compare them and they seemed pretty even directly, saying Samus is stronger indirectly makes a lot of sense.

Only problem with that is I don't buy for a second that Tifa beat Seph. I trust Tifa/Samus as most of the weirdness this contest has been hentai rallies and the general SJWFF we saw in a few matches. If you trust Tifa/Samus and Tifa/Seph, that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense. The only explanation that makes sense across the board is the following:

- Sephiroth is around Mega Man/Crono level
- Zelda is also naturally around that level and benefitted greatly from her bandwagon and hentai rallies
- Samus/Mario 1 is an accurate representation of Samus
- Snake is the only real outlier here as Snake/Samus and Snake/Sonic can't both be accurate and still make sense in the grand scheme of things

Are you trolling?

Because if you legitimately believe Mario is indirectly stronger than Samus, you are out of your damn mind o_O

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

creativename posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Finally found the match pics.

https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/x/user/link-f-boss-f.png (WHAT)

Thats Link? What is this? Is this mislabeled?

Wasnt this being used for Zelda too?

No, that's Link wearing Zelda's dress, opposite Cloud in a dress.

Why does he have green hair? Why is he in a dress? What game is this?

Im so confused.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Legendary_Dress

Thanks.

But...why is his hair green??

In Tri Force Heroes, there's three different colored Links because co-op, and their hair matches their tunic. This is the Green Link wearing the Legendary Dress.
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Cloud, Mario, Samus, and maybe Zelda are too close to be put in a rigid hierarchy, IMO. Excepting the seeming strongest (Cloud) versus the apparent weakest (Zelda), any match between two of the four could go either way.

1. Link (obviously)

2. Cloud
2. Mario
2. Samus
2. Zelda

6. Snake

7. Crono

8. Mega Man
8. Sonic

10. Sephiroth (poor Sephy...)

(This is kinda random, but the image in your sig, Yuri, is a dead ringer for the Orphen opening.)
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense.

Why? And don't say "muh previous contests" when you're denying that Mario could have pulled rSFF on an indirectly stronger Samus.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7380-loser-bracket-round-3-mega-man-vs-crono

Crono and Mega Man are on the same tier.
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AdamantRock posted...

Cloud, Mario, Samus, and maybe Zelda are too close to be put in a rigid hierarchy, IMO. Excepting the seeming strongest (Cloud) versus the apparent weakest (Zelda), any match between two of the four could go either way.

1. Link (obviously)

2. Cloud
2. Mario
2. Samus
2. Zelda

6. Snake

7. Crono

8. Mega Man
8. Sonic

10. Sephiroth (poor Sephy...)

(This is kinda random, but the image in your sig, Yuri, is a dead ringer for the Orphen opening.)

There's absolutely no way Sonic is still that high. Not one of his results this contest put him anywhere near that, I'd take Pikachu (who belongs in the same tier as Mega Man for obvious reasons) over him in a heartbeat.
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AdamantRock posted...

Cloud, Mario, Samus, and maybe Zelda are too close to be put in a rigid hierarchy, IMO. Excepting the seeming strongest (Cloud) versus the apparent weakest (Zelda), any match between two of the four could go either way.

1. Link (obviously)

2. Cloud
2. Mario
2. Samus
2. Zelda

6. Snake

7. Crono

8. Mega Man
8. Sonic

10. Sephiroth (poor Sephy...)

(This is kinda random, but the image in your sig, Yuri, is a dead ringer for the Orphen opening.)

Would you really be shocked if Snake beat Cloud though?

I think that Samus match is really messing up peoples views of Snake. Especially as Samus might just be that damn strong, and only gets messed up by Mario.

I think Mario thrashing Samus in 2K5 caused people to underrate Samus in terms of the perception of her strength, since it was such an embarrassing and notorious defeat. I think you can see this in how continually surprised we are when Samus stomps other elites.

I think getting beat down by Samus is causing people to underrate Snake.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

garetha200 posted...

If Tifa is legitimately stronger than Sephiroth, then Samus had a stronger round 1 of the Legends Bracket than Mario did. And since that's the only round where you can compare them and they seemed pretty even directly, saying Samus is stronger indirectly makes a lot of sense.

Only problem with that is I don't buy for a second that Tifa beat Seph. I trust Tifa/Samus as most of the weirdness this contest has been hentai rallies and the general SJWFF we saw in a few matches. If you trust Tifa/Samus and Tifa/Seph, that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense. The only explanation that makes sense across the board is the following:

- Sephiroth is around Mega Man/Crono level
- Zelda is also naturally around that level and benefitted greatly from her bandwagon and hentai rallies
- Samus/Mario 1 is an accurate representation of Samus
- Snake is the only real outlier here as Snake/Samus and Snake/Sonic can't both be accurate and still make sense in the grand scheme of things

The fuck you talking about? None of what you said makes sense. How the hell is zelda around Seph level? Even her results against Aeros and squall should tell you shes stronger. Seph barely broke 60 On Ryu. Zelda dismantled squall by a much larger margin

Also stop saying hentai rallies when that only happens in the tifa x match and probably gained about 500 votes at best.

500 votes out of 32000 is 1.6%, and there were proven/admitted hentai rallies in Tifa/Seph, Zelda/Mario, Zelda/Snake and several other close matches involving Tifa/Zelda/Samus
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creativename posted...

Would you really be shocked if Snake beat Cloud though?

I think that Samus match is really messing up peoples views of Snake. Especially as Samus might just be that damn strong, and only gets messed up by Mario.

I think Mario thrashing Samus in 2K5 caused people to underrate Samus in terms of the perception of her strength, since it was such an embarrassing and notorious defeat. I think you can see this in how continually surprised we are when Samus stomps other elites.

I think getting beat down by Samus is causing people to underrate Snake.

Maybe, but Samus only did 59% on Tifa, who is barely stronger than Luigi. If we assume that Snake actually beats Cloud, then Luigi is beating Crono/Mega Man and is much stronger than Yoshi/Bowser.
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NeoElfboy posted...

There's absolutely no way Sonic is still that high. Not one of his results this contest put him anywhere near that, I'd take Pikachu (who belongs in the same tier as Mega Man for obvious reasons) over him in a heartbeat.

I dunno, I still think that was just a fluke. Rock stomped all over the electric mouse Pokemon, when given a second chance. And while modern Sonic is pathetic, I don't think he's fallen quite so much as you make it sound. He had Sonic Mania recently, which was very good. By contrast, everyone seems to have forgotten about MM11. He's in Smash, he can benefit from Nintendo boosting to at least the same degree as Rock can. Against each other, I don't know. If each were fighting the same neutral opponent, I think the Blue Blur does better overall. I'm also a little uncomfortable with Pikachu being above Sephy.
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squexa posted...

creativename posted...

Would you really be shocked if Snake beat Cloud though?

I think that Samus match is really messing up peoples views of Snake. Especially as Samus might just be that damn strong, and only gets messed up by Mario.

I think Mario thrashing Samus in 2K5 caused people to underrate Samus in terms of the perception of her strength, since it was such an embarrassing and notorious defeat. I think you can see this in how continually surprised we are when Samus stomps other elites.

I think getting beat down by Samus is causing people to underrate Snake.

Maybe, but Samus only did 59% on Tifa, who is barely stronger than Luigi. If we assume that Snake actually beats Cloud, then Luigi is beating Crono/Mega Man and is much stronger than Yoshi/Bowser.

Yes, and based on their matches with Tifa this contest it looks like X > Luigi, meaning by extension X > MM. That would make very little sense, especially since MM is in Smash and X is not.
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Legends and Loser Bracket, Round 3 and later

Zelda vs. Cloud Strife
Registered Vote Result:
Zelda - 4400 (50.37%)
Cloud Strife - 4335 (49.63%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Zelda - 4717 (46.48%)
Cloud Strife - 5431 (53.52%)

Zelda barely won the registered users and did nearly 4% better compared to anonymous users.

Extra info and past results - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O1QuDMeK4VhHOia7bdBgtVp_F3kRTnGkkjtR0zRyudw/pub
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Sonic lost by similar amounts to both Zelda and Snake while Zelda and Snake went 50-50 with each other. On top of that, Snake blasted Auron way harder than Sonic did. Sonic just looked really bad with multiple matches pointing at the same result.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7380-loser-bracket-round-3-mega-man-vs-crono

Crono and Mega Man are on the same tier.

I concede your point. Maybe I do have a bit of Square bias, but it doesn't feel like it was that close, ya know. The percentage and vote difference looks deceptive to me. Unlike 2-5, I can't imaging Rock having been able to beat Crono.
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creativename posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Can we not have one wih non exclusive game characters? Its been nearly 20 years surely we can do one with non exclusive game characters? It would be way more fun.

This would be the best scenario.

I dont really understand the reluctance from Allen.

All the people complaining about Lets remove Link from the contest! Hes too stronkkkk!!! Should be asking for a fictionals contest. Add Batman and Darth Vader into the mix. Suddenly Link doesnt look so safe.

Also even if Link is naturally stronger than Batman now, would it be a shock if Batman wins via bandwagon or rally? I dont think so.

Seriously, everyone wanting Link removed from the bracket - because hes too popular to be in a popularity contest - should instead be demanding a contest with Darth Vader and Batman and Spider-Man.

The reason is obvious. Then it's not a video game contest anymore. It's a random popularity contest, and it doesn't have anything particularly to do with GameFAQs other than being hosted by it.

Like, if we're gonna go with a "fictional characters" contest, why not add historical characters? Abraham Lincoln vs Batman would be one heck of a battle, no?
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We already have Geralt and he is the same character as from the books.
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Cloud just got his first cut of this match at 11:25 PM. In the previous Link/Cloud match, the first cut didn't happen until 1:05 AM.
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I'm guessing the difference is that the majority of the people voting Geralt are voting because of the games and not the books. Same with Lu Bu from 2013. Whereas, if JFK got in because he technically was in Civ Revolution 2, everyone will be voting for him as a historical figure.

When we get to Voldemort vs George Washington match, I doubt anyone's voting with video games in mind. At that point, why not just host a Best Movies Contest too while we're at it.
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Cloud had no right in getting here twice without putting up a fight. It's either +45% or go home nuked.
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TheOneAboveAll posted...

The reason is obvious. Then it's not a video game contest anymore. It's a random popularity contest, and it doesn't have anything particularly to do with GameFAQs other than being hosted by it.

Like, if we're gonna go with a "fictional characters" contest, why not add historical characters? Abraham Lincoln vs Batman would be one heck of a battle, no?

We aren't opening the contest up to everything in existence. We would only be going for characters outside of gaming that have still appeared in notable video games.

Abraham Lincoln isn't going to get the kind of nomination support to get in, and Allen could just not let in anything he feels is too irrelevant like he did with Spider-Man this year.
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I think the obvious and definitive ranking of the elites when you take out bandwagons and hentai rallies is something like this:

Link

Cloud
Mario
Samus

Snake
Zelda

Crono
Mega Man
Pikachu

Sephiroth
MMX
Luigi
Tifa

Sonic

EDIT: Brainfarted on Snake's placement
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I think the obvious and definitive ranking of the elites when you take out bandwagons and hentai rallies is something like this:

Link

Cloud
Mario
Samus

Zelda

Crono
Mega Man
Snake
Pikachu

Sephiroth
MMX
Luigi
Tifa

Sonic

Good joke.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Sephiroth
MMX
Luigi
Tifa

Is this ordered and if so why is Sephiroth at the top here? Among Luigi, MMX and Sephiroth, Sephiroth did worst on Tifa.
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I think the implication is Tifa's hentai rally had only begun to swell with MMX and it exploded by the time she reached Sephiroth
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AdamantRock posted...

NeoElfboy posted...

There's absolutely no way Sonic is still that high. Not one of his results this contest put him anywhere near that, I'd take Pikachu (who belongs in the same tier as Mega Man for obvious reasons) over him in a heartbeat.

I dunno, I still think that was just a fluke. Rock stomped all over the electric mouse Pokemon, when given a second chance. And while modern Sonic is pathetic, I don't think he's fallen quite so much as you make it sound. He had Sonic Mania recently, which was very good. By contrast, everyone seems to have forgotten about MM11. He's in Smash, he can benefit from Nintendo boosting to at least the same degree as Rock can. Against each other, I don't know. If each were fighting the same neutral opponent, I think the Blue Blur does better overall. I'm also a little uncomfortable with Pikachu being above Sephy.

Sonic got beaten badly by both Zelda and Snake (Snake never beat a N9 by over 56% until this year), and beat Auron by... well, notably less than he lost to Zelda/Snake, and Auron doesn't seem to be near-N9 level any more. I dunno, any way you spin the numbers it looks like Sonic has lost a step.

Mega Man edged Pikachu by just over 1% in the rematch; hardly a stomp! Averaging the two matches gives you quite a narrow margin indeed (around 0.6%?). Generally I'd keep characters on the same tier if the gap between them is smaller than the random variance surrounding individual match circumstances (bracket votes, day of the week, pictures, etc.) which Mega Man vs Pikachu definitively is!

I'd take Pikachu over Sephiroth as well. I feel like every character that relies on a "cool" factor for popularity fell off a bit this contest as the site gets older. With Vincent dropping as much as he has, not hard to imagine Sephiroth being similarly affected. Pikachu is the face of one of the most popular franchises on this site, not really too surprising he's strong. It ain't 2002 any more.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Sephiroth
MMX
Luigi
Tifa

Is this ordered and if so why is Sephiroth at the top here? Among Luigi, MMX and Sephiroth, Sephiroth did worst on Tifa.

Tifa/Sephiroth is by far the weirdest and most suspect result of the entire contest. I don't trust that result at ALL
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NeoElfboy posted...

I'd take Pikachu over Sephiroth as well. I feel like every character that relies on a "cool" factor for popularity fell off a bit this contest as the site gets older. With Vincent dropping as much as he has, not hard to imagine Sephiroth being similarly affected. Pikachu is the face of one of the most popular franchises on this site, not really too surprising he's strong. It ain't 2002 any more.

In 2002, Pikachu scored 54.41% on PaRappa The Rapper.

In 2018, Pikachu gets over 80% on PaRappa The Rapper (exact value depends on your Xstats of choice).

No character can say they've improved as much as Pikachu.
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I kinda hope we get Pikachu vs Fox next contest just so we can see one of the biggest reversals of all time.
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I feel like Fox would hold up better than you'd expect and it would be disappointing.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1306-north-division-round-1-pikachu-vs-fox-mccloud

Fox could go 50-50 with Pikachu and it would be a massive turn around. Pikachu is more likely to easily clear 55.
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I see Fox getting around 42 or something. Which I mean sure that's like 25 points but I feel like you could get an even bigger swing with like Nathan Drake vs CATS or something.
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Lopen posted...

I see Fox getting around 42 or something. Which I mean sure that's like 25 points but I feel like you could get an even bigger swing with like Nathan Drake vs CATS or something.

But there's a lot less invested in Nathan Drake and CATS than there is in Pikachu (and probably Fox too) these days.
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Donkey Kong vs Aya Brea is probably in the running of percentage swings even if it doesn't change the result

Not sure what it actually x-stats to from this contest's results but I could definitely see DK breaking 75% this time around.

Shame we didn't get Gordon Freeman vs Tina part 2 when Gordon actually had some strength on this site. That could've done it.

Actually if you want a sneaky pick for biggest swing I really think a Wario vs Shadow the Hedgehog rematch would be a strong contender. Wario putting up 60% is plausible I think.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

garetha200 posted...

If Tifa is legitimately stronger than Sephiroth, then Samus had a stronger round 1 of the Legends Bracket than Mario did. And since that's the only round where you can compare them and they seemed pretty even directly, saying Samus is stronger indirectly makes a lot of sense.

Only problem with that is I don't buy for a second that Tifa beat Seph. I trust Tifa/Samus as most of the weirdness this contest has been hentai rallies and the general SJWFF we saw in a few matches. If you trust Tifa/Samus and Tifa/Seph, that puts Ryu at a really really weak level which makes zero sense. The only explanation that makes sense across the board is the following:

- Sephiroth is around Mega Man/Crono level
- Zelda is also naturally around that level and benefitted greatly from her bandwagon and hentai rallies
- Samus/Mario 1 is an accurate representation of Samus
- Snake is the only real outlier here as Snake/Samus and Snake/Sonic can't both be accurate and still make sense in the grand scheme of things

I'm not sure hentai ralllies really made THAT much of a difference, but I see your point. Sephiroth looked stronger than Tifa in the main bracket, for sure. That would then imply that Mario is above Samus, which is actually what I thought was the case for a while, even after Tifa beat Seph. Until Samus stomped Snake and Mario lost to Zelda and Cloud. (to be fair, Mario is slightly above Zelda based on the Cloud matches)

If Sephiroth really is stronger than Tifa, I would believe that TIfa overperformed on Samus (she's done it before, albeit not the exact same circumstances) before believing that Mario is stronger than Samus. Or maybe that would mean Mario just overperformed on Sephiroth for whatever reason.
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Sephiroth looked better if you take the Ryu match. He looked worse if you take the Amaterasu match. There is no consistent interpretation of Sephiroth in this contest.
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Lopen posted...

Donkey Kong vs Aya Brea is probably in the running of percentage swings even if it doesn't change the result

Not sure what it actually x-stats to from this contest's results but I could definitely see DK breaking 75% this time around.

Shame we didn't get Gordon Freeman vs Tina part 2 when Gordon actually had some strength on this site. That could've done it.

Actually if you want a sneaky pick for biggest swing I really think a Wario vs Shadow the Hedgehog rematch would be a strong contender. Wario putting up 60% is plausible I think.

Also DK vs Tommy Vercetti could have a crazy swing in a rematch.
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well Cloud should break 40% this time at least
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Honestly I kinda think the winner would be Gordon Freeman vs Princess Peach

And it would be depressing. Not that I like Gordon Freeman but seeing Peach get like 75% on anyone is just gross.
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Two Top 50 finishes in a row for me. I'm pleased.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Sephiroth looked better if you take the Ryu match. He looked worse if you take the Amaterasu match. There is no consistent interpretation of Sephiroth in this contest.

I'd argue that it's fairly consistent in favor of the stronger intepretation of Sephiroth. There's reason to believe that Lara Croft has strengthened since 2013, given the success of females as well as the increasing of two other PS1 platforming characters. As for Wesker... well, he's around the fodder line and hasn't been measurable since 2010, not to mention Sephiroth's anti-votes are likely more pronounced against weaker opponents.

Still, I'm not entirely convinced of that, because Sephiroth was shown to be weaker than Tifa through a direct match as WELL as doing so poorly on Mario... Maybe Sephiroth was just not himself when he reached the legends bracket. Or maybe he was just that weak all along.
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heroicmario posted...

Its a shame Mario couldnt manage to pull it off against Cloud! I wouldnt have expected Cloud to pull that one off, though I guess after that narrow win against Samus he had some sort of rally going against him, haha. Total redemption after the 2013 contest against Vivi, tho!

Mario had a lot to prove this contest, and I don't think his loss to Cloud did the job. He rather disappointed here.
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TheOneAboveAll posted...

creativename posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Can we not have one wih non exclusive game characters? Its been nearly 20 years surely we can do one with non exclusive game characters? It would be way more fun.

This would be the best scenario.

I dont really understand the reluctance from Allen.

All the people complaining about Lets remove Link from the contest! Hes too stronkkkk!!! Should be asking for a fictionals contest. Add Batman and Darth Vader into the mix. Suddenly Link doesnt look so safe.

Also even if Link is naturally stronger than Batman now, would it be a shock if Batman wins via bandwagon or rally? I dont think so.

Seriously, everyone wanting Link removed from the bracket - because hes too popular to be in a popularity contest - should instead be demanding a contest with Darth Vader and Batman and Spider-Man.

The reason is obvious. Then it's not a video game contest anymore. It's a random popularity contest, and it doesn't have anything particularly to do with GameFAQs other than being hosted by it.

Like, if we're gonna go with a "fictional characters" contest, why not add historical characters? Abraham Lincoln vs Batman would be one heck of a battle, no?

Of course a contest with fictional characters that have appeared in games would have something to do with video games. Video games are not limited to things original to gaming.

Because people *want* a cool fictionals contest, and they do not *want* a stupid historical figures contest?

People *want* to see Spider-Man and Darth Vader. Characters that would be strong on their own, and potentially get rallies of real supporters. They do not *want* to see a stupid historical figures contest, where only trolls would rally the figures for the lulz.

The entire point is that Abraham Lincoln vs. Batman would NOT be a heck of a battle, because Batman would be a monster and Lincoln a joke entrant.

Why are you conflating something people would *want*, with something they do not *want*?

Popular potential monster characters with joke entrants?

Cloud is over 40 now...
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creativename posted...

TheOneAboveAll posted...

creativename posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Can we not have one wih non exclusive game characters? Its been nearly 20 years surely we can do one with non exclusive game characters? It would be way more fun.

This would be the best scenario.

I dont really understand the reluctance from Allen.

All the people complaining about Lets remove Link from the contest! Hes too stronkkkk!!! Should be asking for a fictionals contest. Add Batman and Darth Vader into the mix. Suddenly Link doesnt look so safe.

Also even if Link is naturally stronger than Batman now, would it be a shock if Batman wins via bandwagon or rally? I dont think so.

Seriously, everyone wanting Link removed from the bracket - because hes too popular to be in a popularity contest - should instead be demanding a contest with Darth Vader and Batman and Spider-Man.

The reason is obvious. Then it's not a video game contest anymore. It's a random popularity contest, and it doesn't have anything particularly to do with GameFAQs other than being hosted by it.

Like, if we're gonna go with a "fictional characters" contest, why not add historical characters? Abraham Lincoln vs Batman would be one heck of a battle, no?

Of course a contest with fictional characters that have appeared in games would have something to do with video games. Video games are not limited to things original to gaming.

Because people *want* a cool fictionals contest, and they do not *want* a stupid historical figures contest?

People *want* to see Spider-Man and Darth Vader. Characters that would be strong on their own, and potentially get rallies of real supporters. They do not *want* to see a stupid historical figures contest, where only trolls would rally the figures for the lulz.

The entire point is that Abraham Lincoln vs. Batman would NOT be a heck of a battle, because Batman would be a monster and Lincoln a joke entrant.

Why are you conflating something people would *want*, with something they do not *want*?

Popular potential monster characters with joke entrants?

Maybe I'm overestimating DroneFaqs but I'm pretty sure no one could challenge Link without rallies.
Batman would be 40-60ed by Link too.

Can always count on Gamefaqs to worship anything Zelda, Final Fantasy or Nintendo.
I'm glad i didn't grow up with any of these games, i have a more balanced view of the industry as a consequence.
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Congrats man I'm happy for you
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