Poll of the Day > Guns are not the problem, Gun culture is..

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Americans are too obsesed with guns...there are other countries with high gun ownership like Switzerland but no soothings

American gun culture is like that alcoholic friend instead of the guy who drinks ocassionally.

Either change gun culture or run a background check
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This is correct.

Guns don't actually do anything. They're just lumps of metal.
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Guns don't kill people, I kill people, with guns
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Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Guns don't kill people, I kill people, with guns

Old people burning, old people burning, put your hands up
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Guns are not the problem. Americans are.
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yourDaddie posted...

.there are other countries with high gun ownership like Switzerland but no soothings

That's hard to believe, considering Ricola comes from there.

VeeVees posted...

Guns are not the problem. Americans are.

Pretty much this. Gun control will not have any positive effect. The people it seeks to thwart will just find alternative methods, either they steal it, make it, or choose a different weapon altogether. The problem is mental. Why people feel the need to misbehave. Actually stricter controls will hurt legit owners more, kinda like DRM on music/movies. The thieves don't give a damn about the rules.
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DPsx7 posted...

VeeVees posted...

Guns are not the problem. Americans are.

Pretty much this. Gun control will not have any positive effect. The people it seeks to thwart will just find alternative methods, either they steal it, make it, or choose a different weapon altogether. The problem is mental. Why people feel the need to misbehave. Actually stricter controls will hurt legit owners more, kinda like DRM on music/movies. The thieves don't give a damn about the rules.

It will work since responsible owners will be able to pass background checks
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Get ready for some truth bombs:

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity. This is a fact that the media seldom likes to dive into.

Humans do not get along with other humans that are different from them.

Different languages, different cultures, different religions, different skin tones. Other countries have diversity, sure....but not nearly as diverse as America.

Take those facts....and add in the ridiculous "cultural sensitivity" we have about everything.....and you have an entire populace that is basically one big powder keg of emotion waiting to explode.

And then add in our absurd (and hypocritical) Puritan values where 90% of our laws are based around the fucking Christian Bible......and our simultaneous fascination and loathing of sex........and you have even more people who are powder kegs of emotion waiting to explode.

You'll have a show on TV where they say the word "shit".....and parents call the network to complain. But an hour later you'll have a show where people are literally fucking each other like wild animals....and it's award-winning television.

Divorce is extremely common and kids grow up without any stability.

Masculinity is seen as "toxic", so you have an entire generation of men being raised by women who have no idea how they are supposed to behave.

EVERYONE is on some kind of fucking medication because Big Pharma wants everyone to be a zombie that spends 50% of their paycheck on some unnecessary drug.

Even in the wild.....groups of monkeys who live a few miles away from each other....will get extremely violent towards other monkeys if they (even accidentally) venture near their clan. You'd think they would value the genetic diversity of a new monkey who is the same exact species as them....but no. They see them as a threat and immediately beat the shit out of them.

Humans are no different.

And those are the main reasons America has so many gun problems.

It's because Americans are fucking insane. Because the culture makes them that way.
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Holy racist rant Batman!

The American economic system runs on violence and warfare. It's no surprise violence is a problem. Even if magically all guns disappeared overnight, there would still be violence that day.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

Get ready for some truth bombs:

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity. This is a fact that the media seldom likes to dive into.

Humans do not get along with other humans that are different from them.

Different languages, different cultures, different religions, different skin tones. Other countries have diversity, sure....but not nearly as diverse as America.

Take those facts....and add in the ridiculous "cultural sensitivity" we have about everything.....and you have an entire populace that is basically one big powder keg of emotion waiting to explode.

And then add in our absurd (and hypocritical) Puritan values where 90% of our laws are based around the fucking Christian Bible......and our simultaneous fascination and loathing of sex........and you have even more people who are powder kegs of emotion waiting to explode.

You'll have a show on TV where they say the word "shit".....and parents call the network to complain. But an hour later you'll have a show where people are literally fucking each other like wild animals....and it's award-winning television.

Divorce is extremely common and kids grow up without any stability.

Masculinity is seen as "toxic", so you have an entire generation of men being raised by women who have no idea how they are supposed to behave.

EVERYONE is on some kind of fucking medication because Big Pharma wants everyone to be a zombie that spends 50% of their paycheck on some unnecessary drug.

Even in the wild.....groups of monkeys who live a few miles away from each other....will get extremely violent towards other monkeys if they (even accidentally) venture near their clan. You'd think they would value the genetic diversity of a new monkey who is the same exact species as them....but no. They see them as a threat and immediately beat the shit out of them.

Humans are no different.

And those are the main reasons America has so many gun problems.

It's because Americans are fucking insane. Because the culture makes them that way.

Lol no . East Asia and Europe killed each other more when they were more homogeneous....
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yourDaddie posted...

GreenKnight127 posted...

Get ready for some truth bombs:

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity. This is a fact that the media seldom likes to dive into.

Humans do not get along with other humans that are different from them.

Different languages, different cultures, different religions, different skin tones. Other countries have diversity, sure....but not nearly as diverse as America.

Take those facts....and add in the ridiculous "cultural sensitivity" we have about everything.....and you have an entire populace that is basically one big powder keg of emotion waiting to explode.

And then add in our absurd (and hypocritical) Puritan values where 90% of our laws are based around the fucking Christian Bible......and our simultaneous fascination and loathing of sex........and you have even more people who are powder kegs of emotion waiting to explode.

You'll have a show on TV where they say the word "shit".....and parents call the network to complain. But an hour later you'll have a show where people are literally fucking each other like wild animals....and it's award-winning television.

Divorce is extremely common and kids grow up without any stability.

Masculinity is seen as "toxic", so you have an entire generation of men being raised by women who have no idea how they are supposed to behave.

EVERYONE is on some kind of fucking medication because Big Pharma wants everyone to be a zombie that spends 50% of their paycheck on some unnecessary drug.

Even in the wild.....groups of monkeys who live a few miles away from each other....will get extremely violent towards other monkeys if they (even accidentally) venture near their clan. You'd think they would value the genetic diversity of a new monkey who is the same exact species as them....but no. They see them as a threat and immediately beat the shit out of them.

Humans are no different.

And those are the main reasons America has so many gun problems.

It's because Americans are fucking insane. Because the culture makes them that way.

Lol no . East Asia and Europe killed each other more when they were more homogeneous....

Other factors were in play.

I'm talking about America right now. And everything I said is fact.

Some people just don't like to hear it.
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I would like to know why the U.S. specifically has so many people who are depressed, angry, suicidal, and want to kill a bunch of people before killing themselves.

Especially in schools.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

I would like to know why the U.S. specifically has so many people who are depressed, angry, suicidal, and want to kill a bunch of people before killing themselves.

Especially in schools.

I think everyone knows the answer to that question, they just don't like to say it out loud:

Contradictory and hypocritical Puritan values with an "entertainment culture" that simultaneously praises and bashes immorality.

America also has ridiculous divorce statistics, and because of this, many children grow up without a father, so males in particular have no basis for expressing their emotions in a healthy manner.

Add in some overly politically correct bullshit and "cultural sensitivity" propaganda everywhere you look.....and it's no wonder so many kids are shooting up schools.

It also doesn't help that the internet is literally raising our kids today instead of the parents (assuming they even have parents).

Social media makes people feel more disconnected than connected.

Big Pharma also overdiagnoses people with stuff, because if you aren't on SOME kind of medication....you aren't truly American.
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yourDaddie posted...

DPsx7 posted...

VeeVees posted...

Guns are not the problem. Americans are.

Pretty much this. Gun control will not have any positive effect. The people it seeks to thwart will just find alternative methods, either they steal it, make it, or choose a different weapon altogether. The problem is mental. Why people feel the need to misbehave. Actually stricter controls will hurt legit owners more, kinda like DRM on music/movies. The thieves don't give a damn about the rules.

It will work since responsible owners will be able to pass background checks

Uh, no it won't. Responsible owners aren't the ones who need to be checked. Anyone who fails will try another way.
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yourDaddie posted...

Americans are too obsesed with guns...there are other countries with high gun ownership like Switzerland but no soothings

Literally no one in the world has a gun ownership on the same order of magnitude as the US does. America has ~113 guns per 100 residents (next runner up is Serbia, with 75.6); Switzerland has less than half of that, with ~46 guns per resident.

More to the point, every other first world country that permits civilian gun ownership has significantly tighter laws around possession, regulation, licensing, and storage. The idea of civilians being allowed to concealed-carry (or even open-carry outside of a range or hunting ground) is generally seen as the height of stupidity in most of the world.

GreenKnight127 posted...

Get ready for some truth bombs:

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity.

This is not a truth bomb so much as it is barely concealed racism.

Other countries with large immigrant/ethnically mixed populations - like Canada, which has multiculturalism written directly into its laws and which is now a majority-minority nation (over half of Canadians are now neither British nor French descendants) - do not have this issue. You can continue comparing Americans to monkeys all you like and pretend like it's something inherent to the human race, but the simple truth is that no other country has such an enormous problem with gun violence. It is a uniquely American conundrum. The rest of us have managed to transcend our simian roots and have figured out how to get along with one another. The USA is that kid at the back of the class loudly whining that the assignment is too hard, while utterly clueless to the fact that everyone else has already finished and turned their papers in.

Want a truth bomb? Maybe the reason you guys have so many shootings has something to do with all the fucking guns floating around and the fact that there's almost zero laws controlling them. I don't want to sound speculative, but I kinda think there's something to that argument.

ForteEXE3850 posted...

I would like to know why the U.S. specifically has so many people who are depressed, angry, suicidal, and want to kill a bunch of people before killing themselves.

For what it's worth, economic inequality and depression tend to have a strong positive correlation, and the US has one of the biggest issues with income inequality of all first world nations. Make of that what you will.
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DPsx7 posted...

Pretty much this. Gun control will not have any positive effect. The people it seeks to thwart will just find alternative methods, either they steal it, make it, or choose a different weapon altogether.

Steal it from where? Is there a magical gun factory that secretly supplies criminals?

Make it? I think you're vastly overestimating the intellectual capacity of your average criminal. Most people who have the skills necessary to fabricate a gun can easily find gainful employment and, thus, are unlikely to turn to crime to make ends meet.

Choose a different weapon? Yes, this is certainly possible. It's also an improvement, because alternate weapons are not as reliably deadly and are far easier to counteract than a gun.

Here's the thing - your argument hinges on a nirvana fallacy: gun control will never completely eliminate gun crime, so we shouldn't even bother trying. But that's not the end goal here - the goal is to reduce gun crime, and the numbers there are pretty much unarguable: virtually all countries and states that have implemented stricter gun laws saw their gun violence rates decrease, sometimes by staggering amounts.

Yes, there will always be some insurrectionist-wannabe with a lathe in his garage that can homebrew up a pistol or an alcoholic husband who decides to use a knife to kill his wife instead of a pistol. But for every one of those, there is another clueless schmuck that wanted to buy a glock just so he could rob a gas station, but couldn't find one because the controls worked. That's the end goal here.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

yourDaddie posted...

GreenKnight127 posted...

Get ready for some truth bombs:

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity. This is a fact that the media seldom likes to dive into.

Humans do not get along with other humans that are different from them.

Different languages, different cultures, different religions, different skin tones. Other countries have diversity, sure....but not nearly as diverse as America.

Take those facts....and add in the ridiculous "cultural sensitivity" we have about everything.....and you have an entire populace that is basically one big powder keg of emotion waiting to explode.

And then add in our absurd (and hypocritical) Puritan values where 90% of our laws are based around the fucking Christian Bible......and our simultaneous fascination and loathing of sex........and you have even more people who are powder kegs of emotion waiting to explode.

You'll have a show on TV where they say the word "shit".....and parents call the network to complain. But an hour later you'll have a show where people are literally fucking each other like wild animals....and it's award-winning television.

Divorce is extremely common and kids grow up without any stability.

Masculinity is seen as "toxic", so you have an entire generation of men being raised by women who have no idea how they are supposed to behave.

EVERYONE is on some kind of fucking medication because Big Pharma wants everyone to be a zombie that spends 50% of their paycheck on some unnecessary drug.

Even in the wild.....groups of monkeys who live a few miles away from each other....will get extremely violent towards other monkeys if they (even accidentally) venture near their clan. You'd think they would value the genetic diversity of a new monkey who is the same exact species as them....but no. They see them as a threat and immediately beat the shit out of them.

Humans are no different.

And those are the main reasons America has so many gun problems.

It's because Americans are fucking insane. Because the culture makes them that way.

Lol no . East Asia and Europe killed each other more when they were more homogeneous....

Other factors were in play.

I'm talking about America right now. And everything I said is fact.

Some people just don't like to hear it.

False because the most tolerant people live in California where it is very diverse and the most racists in the south where it's very homigeneous
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darkknight109 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Pretty much this. Gun control will not have any positive effect. The people it seeks to thwart will just find alternative methods, either they steal it, make it, or choose a different weapon altogether.

Steal it from where? Is there a magical gun factory that secretly supplies criminals?

Make it? I think you're vastly overestimating the intellectual capacity of your average criminal. Most people who have the skills necessary to fabricate a gun can easily find gainful employment and, thus, are unlikely to turn to crime to make ends meet.

Choose a different weapon? Yes, this is certainly possible. It's also an improvement, because alternate weapons are not as reliably deadly and are far easier to counteract than a gun.

Here's the thing - your argument hinges on a nirvana fallacy: gun control will never completely eliminate gun crime, so we shouldn't even bother trying. But that's not the end goal here - the goal is to reduce gun crime, and the numbers there are pretty much unarguable: virtually all countries and states that have implemented stricter gun laws saw their gun violence rates decrease, sometimes by staggering amounts.

Yes, there will always be some insurrectionist-wannabe with a lathe in his garage that can homebrew up a pistol or an alcoholic husband who decides to use a knife to kill his wife instead of a pistol. But for every one of those, there is another clueless schmuck that wanted to buy a glock just so he could rob a gas station, but couldn't find one because the controls worked. That's the end goal here.

From anywhere. A home, a store, other criminals. There's a whole black market for this stuff.

Stupid people can still access the internet. 3D printers are a thing too. Furthermore, they aren't homeless folk. Occasionally that employment is the reason they go berserk.

You're kidding right? Anything explosive can do a lot more harm. Poison is hard to detect. The point being if you have some nutjob determined enough to do something then wasting money on 'gun control' isn't going to prevent anything.

Nothing will eliminate it and we already have controls in place. What's the sense in wasting money that could be put to better use? Begging for more restrictions is trying to put a band aid on a broken leg. We need to solve the underlying problems that encourage this behavior. Anything else is pointless. Half assed effort from people without better ideas.
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Both are problems in America. Gun culture leads to a lot of damn unnecessary guns. I like how a Canadian 'gun nut' might have a dozen firearms that they will actually use for hunting/responsible fun. America doesn't seem to be able to read basic statistics though, so oh fucking well.
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DPsx7 posted...

From anywhere. A home, a store, other criminals. There's a whole black market for this stuff.

All of which gun control would cut down on.

DPsx7 posted...

Stupid people can still access the internet. 3D printers are a thing too. Furthermore, they aren't homeless folk. Occasionally that employment is the reason they go berserk.

The vast majority of gun crime is not some guy going postal and shooting up his office, it's your average, everyday fuckups making bad decisions with their lives.

DPsx7 posted...

You're kidding right? Anything explosive can do a lot more harm. Poison is hard to detect.

How many explosive attacks have you seen in countries with strict gun control? How many poisonings?

Not as many as America has gun deaths, I can tell you that straight-up.

"Oh, it's not the guns, us Americans are just horribly violent," you might protest. But the numbers don't bear out that conclusion either - America's violent crime rate, while on the high side, are still pretty comparable to most of her first-world peers; it is only the murder rate that is leagues above everyone else.

DPsx7 posted...

The point being if you have some nutjob determined enough to do something then wasting money on 'gun control' isn't going to prevent anything.

But how many nutjobs are really that determined? Not many. You're looking at the mass shooters and the high profile killers and thinking they're the problem - those people make up a significant minority of those using guns to kill people.

Again, the statistics do not back up the idea that gun control is a waste of money. In the overwhelming majority of jurisdictions - within the US and without - where stricter gun control has been implemented, gun crime has gone down.

DPsx7 posted...

Nothing will eliminate it and we already have controls in place.

Honestly? No, you don't. If you think what America has in any way constitutes gun control, you need to get out more. The rights afforded to gun owners in even the most restrictive parts of the US are far beyond what most other countries afford their citizens in their most gun-friendly areas.

DPsx7 posted...

We need to solve the underlying problems that encourage this behavior.

And your suggestions for doing that are...?
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DPsx7 posted...

How? Gun control only works with legit sources.

Yeah, and a decent chunk of guns used in crime were bought from those legit sources.

Is it going to stop everyone? No. But as I've said several times, that's not the point - it will reduce the number and that's plenty good enough.

DPsx7 posted...

Well it's certainly not the homeless and uneducated either. They take time to plan this crap.

What level of education do you think your average gang member has? Or your average guy knocking over a liquor store? These are not doctors and engineers taking time off from their day job to make some extra cash on the side.

DPsx7 posted...

I hope you don't seriously think gun control works for all kinds of weapons/crime.

No, but it does a pretty good job with gun crime, which is the entire reason why it's being recommended in the first place.

I'm not sure why you'd want to implement gun control to cut down on, say, tax evasion...

DPsx7 posted...

Exactly, gun control is a complete waste of resources that doesn't solve the problem we have.

He says while ignoring the fact that it *has* worked everywhere else.

DPsx7 posted...

Mental health evaluations?

...are going to do jack shit, really. Most killers are not mentally unwell - not even most mass shooters.

Don't get me wrong, mental health care in America is in drastic need of improvement (health care in general, really), but if you're expecting that to suddenly solve your problems with gun crime, you're going to be disappointed.
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You just need to look at Chicago to realize that strict gun control doesn't work

It's like people don't want to open their eyes and see what's actually going on, but i'm sure it'll help this time despite not helping when it's been tried before
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Muscles posted...

You just need to look at Chicago to realize that strict gun control doesn't work

I love it when people cite Chicago, because not only does it completely ignore the obvious counterpoint (that gun control isn't going to work when the area it is applied to is bounded by other jurisdictions with much looser gun laws and no effective border between them), but it also proves that the person arguing it hasn't actually glanced at the numbers lately.

Chicago isn't even in the Top 20 cities in the US by murder rate, instead clocking in around the mid-20s.

Muscles posted...

It's like people don't want to open their eyes and see what's actually going on, but i'm sure it'll help this time despite not helping when it's been tried before

It has helped, though. That's why a lot of people advocate for it.
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darkknight109 posted...

Muscles posted...

You just need to look at Chicago to realize that strict gun control doesn't work

I love it when people cite Chicago, because not only does it completely ignore the obvious counterpoint (that gun control isn't going to work when the area it is applied to is bounded by other jurisdictions with much looser gun laws and no effective border between them), but it also proves that the person arguing it hasn't actually glanced at the numbers lately.

Chicago isn't even in the Top 20 cities in the US by murder rate, instead clocking in around the mid-20s.

Muscles posted...

It's like people don't want to open their eyes and see what's actually going on, but i'm sure it'll help this time despite not helping when it's been tried before

It has helped, though. That's why a lot of people advocate for it.

I know Chicago isn't number 1 in murder rate, but they still have a huge gun problem that wasn't solved by gun control
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I love when the new posters actually take yourDaddie seriously.
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Muscles posted...

I know Chicago isn't number 1 in murder rate, but they still have a huge gun problem that wasn't solved by gun control

They're also, as I mentioned, surrounded on all sides by areas with far looser gun laws and have no effective border with those areas, so yeah, that's going to have an effect.
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You're the only person who thinks it helps. Then you pay for it so you'll see why it doesn't.
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CacciatoPart3 posted...

I love when the new posters actually take yourDaddie seriously.

You should always take your dad seriously
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DPsx7 posted...

You're the only person who thinks it helps.

Up to 90% of the American populace agrees that tougher gun laws are needed.

I haven't asked them, but I'm pretty sure they think it helps too.
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Quick fyi, there are sections of the US that have healthy gun culture, however the wackjobs who buy guns to match their purses scream at them for openly expressing interest in their hobby.
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darkknight109 posted...

Muscles posted...

I know Chicago isn't number 1 in murder rate, but they still have a huge gun problem that wasn't solved by gun control

They're also, as I mentioned, surrounded on all sides by areas with far looser gun laws and have no effective border with those areas, so yeah, that's going to have an effect.

But there is less of a gun problem in those areas that don't have as strict of gun control
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Muscles posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Muscles posted...

I know Chicago isn't number 1 in murder rate, but they still have a huge gun problem that wasn't solved by gun control

They're also, as I mentioned, surrounded on all sides by areas with far looser gun laws and have no effective border with those areas, so yeah, that's going to have an effect.

But there is less of a gun problem in those areas that don't have as strict of gun control

No, there isn't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/27/states-with-strict-gun-laws-have-fewer-firearms-deaths-heres-how-your-state-stacks-up.html
http://fortune.com/2018/03/20/gun-laws-gun-crimes-state-gun-regulations/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/21/states-most-and-least-gun-violence-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

States with fewer gun laws consistently have higher rates of gun deaths than those with tighter gun controls. Alaska, Alabama, and Louisiana are three of the most gun-friendly states in the country and they also have the highest rates of firearms deaths. Not far behind are Mississippi, Oklahoma, Missouri, Montana, and South Carolina, all of which have few restrictions on gun ownership.

The states with the lowest levels of gun violence? Maine, New York, Hawaii, Connecticut, and Rhode Island, all of which have much stricter gun laws.

This is exactly why it's important to look at trends and not just shout out "B-but, Chicago!" whenever gun violence is brought up.
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You brought up Chicago and the fact that it's problem is the fact that the areas surrounding it aren't as strict

So if that's the problem then why doesn't surrounding states/counties/cities have a worse problem than Chicago, or even just as bad of a situation?

Stop moving the goal posts
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Muscles posted...

You brought up Chicago

You mean in Post#25?

That wasn't me, brah.

Muscles posted...

So if that's the problem then why doesn't surrounding states/counties/cities have a worse problem than Chicago, or even just as bad of a situation?

They do. Ever seen the gun stats for St. Louis? Worst city in America for gun crime and it's not even particularly close - their gun death rate dwarfs Chicago by several times over. Indianapolis and South Bend, Indiana have almost identical numbers to Chicago.

On a state level, Indiana has far fewer gun laws than Illinois and more gun deaths. Michigan has fewer gun laws and slightly more gun deaths, although the difference is not as pronounced. Wisconsin has almost identical rates of gun deaths, despite having fewer gun laws.

Again, Chicago is not the argument winner you seem to think it is.

Muscles posted...

Stop moving the goal posts

You're the one insisting that places with fewer gun laws have less gun control - something you haven't posted a scrap of evidence to support, I might add.
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There they go. There they go again. Whenever we start talking about gun control a white man gotta pull out the Chicago crime stats out his ass. Thats their one.

Also, this is in reference to the barber scene in Coming To America.
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darkknight109 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

You're the only person who thinks it helps.

Up to 90% of the American populace agrees that tougher gun laws are needed.

I haven't asked them, but I'm pretty sure they think it helps too.

You just don't have a clue about any of this. Up to 90 could mean only 9. I don't own a gun and even I know more laws are a joke. At no point has anyone described how it would help and I listed a few ways criminals would dodge them.
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DPsx7 posted...

Up to 90 could mean only 9.

Pretty sure there are more than 10 people in the US, brah.

Reason I said "up to" 90 is that it depends on the poll and the question asked. The 90% one was asked about stricter background checks and the closing of loopholes (like the "gun show" loophole that allows prohibited buyers to circumvent most of the security checks that are supposed to stop them from getting guns), which an overwhelming majority of the population backs.

DPsx7 posted...

You just don't have a clue about any of this.

Says the guy who hasn't bothered to back up any of his arguments.
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GreenKnight127 posted...

I think everyone knows the answer to that question, they just don't like to say it out loud:

Contradictory and hypocritical Puritan values with an "entertainment culture" that simultaneously praises and bashes immorality.

America also has ridiculous divorce statistics, and because of this, many children grow up without a father, so males in particular have no basis for expressing their emotions in a healthy manner.

Add in some overly politically correct bullshit and "cultural sensitivity" propaganda everywhere you look.....and it's no wonder so many kids are shooting up schools.

It also doesn't help that the internet is literally raising our kids today instead of the parents (assuming they even have parents).

Social media makes people feel more disconnected than connected.

Big Pharma also overdiagnoses people with stuff, because if you aren't on SOME kind of medication....you aren't truly American.

You're the only one that thinks that, not "everyone". The real reason is because mental health help is severely underfunded in America.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

I would like to know why the U.S. specifically has so many people who are depressed, angry, suicidal, and want to kill a bunch of people before killing themselves.

Especially in schools.

It's those god damn Baby Boomers fault!
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darkknight109 posted...
DPsx7 posted...

You just don't have a clue about any of this.
Says the guy who hasn't bothered to back up any of his arguments.

Oh no, I guess that list of reasons why it won't work isn't good enough... You're a sad idiot. Must be nice to ignore the truth while making ridiculous claims like 'up to x percent'.
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DPsx7 posted...

Oh no, I guess that list of reasons why it won't work isn't good enough... You're a sad idiot. Must be nice to ignore the truth while making ridiculous claims like 'up to x percent'.

Steam is malware because you say so.
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Revelation34 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Oh no, I guess that list of reasons why it won't work isn't good enough... You're a sad idiot. Must be nice to ignore the truth while making ridiculous claims like 'up to x percent'.

Steam is malware because you say so.

Sure is, thanks. Saw what that shit did to my PC in person.

We need a big red button that could clear out anyone on FB, using Steam, using Apple products, begging for gun control, labeling themselves as SJW's, basically the half of the US that qualifies as stupid and just go 'here's your ticket, get lost'. Then maybe we could make some significant positive progress.
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darkknight109 posted...

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity.

This is not a truth bomb so much as it is barely concealed racism.

Pointing out that America's ethnic diversity plays a large part in our crime is a racist statement?

Wow.

I'm guessing you are also one of those people who thinks that securing our nation's border and enforcing LEGAL immigration is also racist.

**rolls eyes**
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yourDaddie posted...

GreenKnight127 posted...

yourDaddie posted...

GreenKnight127 posted...

Get ready for some truth bombs:

The problem is the fact that America is such a melting pot of ethnicity. This is a fact that the media seldom likes to dive into.

Humans do not get along with other humans that are different from them.

Different languages, different cultures, different religions, different skin tones. Other countries have diversity, sure....but not nearly as diverse as America.

Take those facts....and add in the ridiculous "cultural sensitivity" we have about everything.....and you have an entire populace that is basically one big powder keg of emotion waiting to explode.

And then add in our absurd (and hypocritical) Puritan values where 90% of our laws are based around the fucking Christian Bible......and our simultaneous fascination and loathing of sex........and you have even more people who are powder kegs of emotion waiting to explode.

You'll have a show on TV where they say the word "shit".....and parents call the network to complain. But an hour later you'll have a show where people are literally fucking each other like wild animals....and it's award-winning television.

Divorce is extremely common and kids grow up without any stability.

Masculinity is seen as "toxic", so you have an entire generation of men being raised by women who have no idea how they are supposed to behave.

EVERYONE is on some kind of fucking medication because Big Pharma wants everyone to be a zombie that spends 50% of their paycheck on some unnecessary drug.

Even in the wild.....groups of monkeys who live a few miles away from each other....will get extremely violent towards other monkeys if they (even accidentally) venture near their clan. You'd think they would value the genetic diversity of a new monkey who is the same exact species as them....but no. They see them as a threat and immediately beat the shit out of them.

Humans are no different.

And those are the main reasons America has so many gun problems.

It's because Americans are fucking insane. Because the culture makes them that way.

Lol no . East Asia and Europe killed each other more when they were more homogeneous....

Other factors were in play.

I'm talking about America right now. And everything I said is fact.

Some people just don't like to hear it.

False because the most tolerant people live in California where it is very diverse and the most racists in the south where it's very homigeneous

You basically just said California is different than the south, so that somehow means everything I said wasn't true? M'kay.
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DPsx7 posted...

basically the half of the US that qualifies as stupid and just go 'here's your ticket, get lost'.

Oh the irony.
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I love how the media loves to conflate suicides (with guns) with murders, to grossly inflate their narrative. But we're not allowed to dig into why nearly two orders of magnitude more men commit suicide than women. Gun culture is buying firearms, maintaining them, practicing with them, and teaching others about them. Typically, that's something a father does with his son or daughter.

Now which demographic in the US comes predominantly from homes without fathers, and with abusive mothers? And why is that demographic involved in the most violent crimes per capita? Why don't we address the breakdown of the family unit as the most important crime prevention factor in western civilization, if not human civilization?

Nah, guns bad, orange man bad. Impeach guns, ban orange man.
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Revelation34 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

basically the half of the US that qualifies as stupid and just go 'here's your ticket, get lost'.

Oh the irony.

It's ok guys, about 90% of the population qualifies as extremely stupid I'm fairly sure.
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DPsx7 posted...

Oh no, I guess that list of reasons why it won't work isn't good enough...

Correct, because it doesn't gel with the facts.

DPsx7 posted...

Must be nice to ignore the truth while making ridiculous claims like 'up to x percent'.

I can't be "ignoring the truth" when what I say is 100% accurate.

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/oct/03/chris-abele/do-90-americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/

Keep trying, kid, I'm sure you'll get me eventually.

GreenKnight127 posted...

Pointing out that America's ethnic diversity plays a large part in our crime is a racist statement?

Wow.

Um... yeah. I'd think that was pretty obvious. Claiming that America would be better if it weren't for all those "ethnic people" running around is racist, bro.

And wrong, as I already pointed out. Other countries with the same - or higher - amount of ethnic diversity as the US do not have the same soaring murder rate.

GreenKnight127 posted...

I'm guessing you are also one of those people who thinks that securing our nation's border and enforcing LEGAL immigration is also racist.

Strawman argument on an unrelated topic.
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