Poll of the Day > Soo...two years in, what has Trump done so far?

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I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything here, and I never care about politics anyways. I'm just mostly asking out of curiosity. Don't get triggered now...

Oh, and yes. I know he met with Kim Jong Un. And that's pretty much all I know.

Detained and separated illegal immigrants from their children and parents

Appointed a possible rapist to supreme court

Started a trade war that hurt farmers

Ended daca
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Honestly, it's hard to tell until a few years after the fact. We know what actions he took, but what are the end results of that? Not everything is an instant impact thing.

I still have a job, my life is good, I'm happy, so there's not much of a reason for me to flip out. People get wayyyy too irrate for something that have no control over and especially for something that they will literally do nothing about but bitch online for the next 2 to 6 years. Like, shit, dude, you choose to be angry.
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Appointed tons of judges that republicans refused to confirm under Obama and has claimed that there werent judges in place when he took office because Obama got lazy

Basically lied through his teeth the way he has his entire life
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Mead posted...

Basically lied through his teeth the way he has his entire life

Wow, welcome to politics.
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Ah the old "It doesn't affect me so why should I care" excuse. Derrr empathy, what's that? Me no need empathy.

GanglyKhan posted...

Mead posted...

Basically lied through his teeth the way he has his entire life

Wow, welcome to politics.

Trump lies a staggering amount even by political standards and it's clear he has no values other than what he thinks is best for himself. Great guy to have leading a country of 300 million people, not to mention the huge global influence America has everywhere else.

I forgot to add our trade war also made our allies hate us

Renegotiated nafta so we can sell milk to Canada .

EPA appointee hates the environment

Secretary of education hates public education
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Yeah but did you guys think about how many libs got triggered? Yuge win in my book #MAGA

Zangulus posted...

Ah, the good old it doesnt effect me personally, why are you upset? mentality.

But did I say that people shouldn't be upset? Feel free to be, but I find that the majority of people who get in a fuss about this sort of thing tend to have nothing better to do. I'm not sorry that I decide not to be angry about the treatment of others. I have enough on my plate to deal with on the day-to-day. It's unfortunate, it sucks, but I'm going to make sure I'm keeping myself going instead of vouching for others on a politics forum on a video game website.

For those who are very upset by the administration and actually attend rallies, vote locally, and are actively involved in their causes, I have hella respect for you.

Those griping online and thinking that a cutesy sarcastic 14 word clapback is "being an activist," you can go fuck yourself for being a lousy drain on society. Democrats AND Republicans included.
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Renegotiated nafta so we can sell milk to Canada .

This is such a dumb one. Canada has a major local milk industry. On the other hand, Trump wanted Canada to capitulate to automotive trade penalties to get Mexico on board, but we don't even export that many cars >.<
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TaKun782 posted...

I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything here, and I never care about politics anyways. I'm just mostly asking out of curiosity. Don't get triggered now...

Oh, and yes. I know he met with Kim Jong Un. And that's pretty much all I know.

Surprisingly little of substance, given that he has as uncontested control of government as anyone is likely to get these days.

-His biggest piece of legislation was the tax cut, that temporarily cut taxes for the middle class and permanently cut taxes for the rich and businesses, at the cost of adding trillions to the deficit (of note: Trump is, for some reason, still running deficits in an era of soaring economic growth, which is absolutely unbelievably bad economics).

-He has nominated two Supreme Court Justices (notably the latest one gets the dubious distinction of being the only Supreme Court Judge ever nominated by a president who lost the popular vote, then confirmed by senators who represent less than 50% of the US population, and whose confirmation was opposed by a majority of voters).

-He has launched a regulatory cutback spree, including significant cuts to regulation on consumer protection, environmental regulation, and educational regulations

-Launched an immigration crackdown, to pretty mixed reception

-Has launched a series of trade wars, mostly against US allies (bizarrely).

....that's pretty much the highlights, such as they are.
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Had the stock market go to record highs

Actually enforcing our current immigration laws

Denuclearized North Korea

Nominated 2 Supreme Court Justices

Started manufacturing in American cities again

Got out of the worthless Paris Climate Agreement deal which is nothing more than billions of dollars in taxes disguised as an anti-pollution effort.

Ruined much of what President Obama did right regarding our global image. He managed to make us look more incompetent than Dubya did

TheWorstPoster posted...

Got out of the worthless Paris Climate Agreement deal which is nothing more than billions of dollars in taxes disguised as an anti-pollution effort.

I don't understand the internal logic you're using here. Correct me if I'm wrong, genuinely mean that, but attempting to enforce "greener" standards by imposing restrictions IS an anti-pollution effort. Maybe I just read that wrong, to me, it sounds like you're saying it's not an effort at all and just is disguised to look like on.
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Trump did not denuclearize North Korea. There's very little evidence of NK actually doing anything about their nukes.
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GanglyKhan posted...

But did I say that people shouldn't be upset? Feel free to be, but I find that the majority of people who get in a fuss about this sort of thing tend to have nothing better to do. I'm not sorry that I decide not to be angry about the treatment of others. I have enough on my plate to deal with on the day-to-day. It's unfortunate, it sucks, but I'm going to make sure I'm keeping myself going instead of vouching for others on a politics forum on a video game website.

For those who are very upset by the administration and actually attend rallies, vote locally, and are actively involved in their causes, I have hella respect for you.

Those griping online and thinking that a cutesy sarcastic 14 word clapback is "being an activist," you can go f*** yourself for being a lousy drain on society. Democrats AND Republicans included.

I think a lot of people pretend to care to cover up the fact that they're simply angry that someone that doesn't represent their political leanings won. On top of that, almost nobody has as much of a clue about politics as they think they do

Mead posted...

Appointed tons of judges that republicans refused to confirm under Obama and has claimed that there werent judges in place when he took office because Obama got lazy

Even though the rule that a President cannot nominate a Supreme Court Justice during his last year of his term was created by the Democratic Party?

JOExHIGASHI posted...

Detained and separated illegal immigrants from their children and parents

First, that was a policy which Obama started. Second, the detainment was because:

A: The parents committed a federal crime of entry without authorization

and

B: The children were often NOT related to the illegal alien to begin with

JOExHIGASHI posted...

Appointed a possible rapist to supreme court

Based on false accusations that has been sit on for over 30 years, when the accuser could not even remember any details, and every single witness denied it, and every FBI investigation turned up absolutely no incriminating evidence?

JOExHIGASHI posted...

Ended daca

Illegal immigration hurts ACTUAL immigrants who came here legally. DACA never went away, as Trump promised over 1.7 million DACA recipients to not be deported.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Actually enforcing our current immigration laws

Obama was actually pretty tough on immigration. It just wasnt emphasized in the media because the left wouldnt want to hear about that

Made the UN literally laugh at him.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Had the stock market go to record highs

The president has nothing to do with the stock market.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Actually enforcing our current immigration laws

Fair I guess.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Denuclearized North Korea

Here's a list of all the times North Korea promised to denuclearized:
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

If you think that means they are actually following through with that this time, you're an idiot.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Nominated 2 Supreme Court Justices

As opposed to letting those seats sit unoccupied? That just means they left the office while Trump was around.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Started manufacturing in American cities again

You don't know what you're talking about in terms of actual factories.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Got out of the worthless Paris Climate Agreement deal which is nothing more than billions of dollars in taxes disguised as an anti-pollution effort.

I guess you need to ask yourself if the government should be more focused on the people living in the country, or companies.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Made the UN literally laugh at him.

No no they were laughing with him
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Reversing or reducing the limits on like every EPA law ever.
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GanglyKhan posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

Got out of the worthless Paris Climate Agreement deal which is nothing more than billions of dollars in taxes disguised as an anti-pollution effort.

I don't understand the internal logic you're using here. Correct me if I'm wrong, genuinely mean that, but attempting to enforce "greener" standards by imposing restrictions IS an anti-pollution effort. Maybe I just read that wrong, to me, it sounds like you're saying it's not an effort at all and just is disguised to look like on.

It's nothing more than excessive taxes and regulations by bureaucrats, in order to stifle the free markets, in order for them to enact control over it.

Do you honestly believe that rich men and women in suits could legislate pollution away, especially based off of speculative science that has not been proven, but also does absolutely nothing about the most polluting countries in the world (Russia, China, and India)? It's Virtue Signalling at its worst.

Remember, back in the 70's, we were expected to go into an Ice Age by 2000, before it changed to Global Warming, where the narrative said that the Polar Ice Caps would be melted in 12 years (never mind the fact that it would take tens of thousands of years to do so), all because the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere reportedly went up from 400 parts per million to 450 parts per million (and that is hundred, NOT hundred-thousand).

It is nothing more than an economic power-grab by government, all with the false pretense of "saving the planet". If they wanted to actually do something, why not go after Russia, India, and China?

JOExHIGASHI posted...

Detained and separated illegal immigrants from their children and parents

Appointed a possible rapist to supreme court

Started a trade war that hurt farmers

Ended daca

Those people put themselves in that position. Their fault.

I read nothing about this but apparently it was old news and the woman just wanted 15 minutes of attention.

The trade war is only because other countries have been taking advantage of us for years. Cheap Chinese crap isn't helping the US remain productive.

Zangulus posted...

No. Only 1 was vacated during Trumps presidency. The other was Obamas, and he made a nomination that Congress refused to even hear.

Despite dips*** over there claiming its a rule, which a very quick google search says otherwise. There is literally no law stating a last year president cant nominate and have a court judge seated.

Fair enough, my point still stands that it really doesn't mean that much in terms of presidential strength.
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shadowsword87 posted...

The president has nothing to do with the stock market.

Then why did it start to rapidly increase immediately following the election (despite warnings by the media that we would go into a global economic depression)?shadowsword87 posted...

Here's a list of all the times North Korea promised to denuclearized:
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

If you think that means they are actually following through with that this time, you're an idiot.

Even though North Korea is in a vulnerable position right now, and Kim is fearing for his life since China is getting tired of him, and he knows he has nothing to benefit from nuclear war? He is planning more summits, but he agreed to full UN investigations on his nuclear program.

shadowsword87 posted...

As opposed to letting those seats sit unoccupied? That just means they left the office while Trump was around.

Only true when Kennedy left office. Scalia died back in 2016, and there was a rule in place (started by Democrats), that the current President could not nominate a new justice during his final year of his term. Did not stop rioting by Leftists when both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh confirmed (and wanted to prevent the latter by throwing 30 year old rape accusations with no evidence).

I wish there was a master list of things hes done since getting into office because Ive honestly lost track.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Then why did it start to rapidly increase immediately following the election (despite warnings by the media that we would go into a global economic depression)?

It would have done the same thing no matter what president came into office, it's the stock market, they're just happy someone exists as president.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Even though North Korea is in a vulnerable position right now, and Kim is fearing for his life since China is getting tired of him, and he knows he has nothing to benefit from nuclear war? He is planning more summits, but he agreed to full UN investigations on his nuclear program.

So, let me explain nuclear deterrence theory, the same theory that has been going on since the 50s. Because nobody has sufficient ability to defend from a large number of nukes, this means that the person who strikes first is more likely to win a nuclear war. By hitting the locations of the nuclear silos (which really aren't that hard to find, especially now), you cripple the enemy's ability to retaliate with their own nukes, ICBs can hit in around 30 minutes or so, and that's from when they're launched. So then you have the fact that America has more nukes than NK, so NK is more likely to attack because it means they are more likely to win a nuclear war.
This is why both sides having a bunch of nukes, paradoxically, is safer for both sides. This is the Mutually Assured Destruction policy put in place by Nixon.

And I'll see proof when I see proof with NK, not talk. They do a lot of talking.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Only true when Kennedy left office. Scalia died back in 2016, and there was a rule in place (started by Democrats), that the current President could not nominate a new justice during his final year of his term. Did not stop rioting by Leftists when both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh confirmed (and wanted to prevent the latter by throwing 30 year old rape accusations with no evidence).

You're not helping your point.
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The Dow dropped 1500 points Monday, if we can say trump made the stock market boom, then we can say its his fault that it crashed, right?

MICHALECOLE posted...

The Dow dropped 1500 points Monday, if we can say trump made the stock market boom, then we can say its his fault that it crashed, right?

He did appoint the guy raising rates
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GanglyKhan posted...

Honestly, it's hard to tell until a few years after the fact. We know what actions he took, but what are the end results of that? Not everything is an instant impact thing.

I still have a job, my life is good, I'm happy, so there's not much of a reason for me to flip out. People get wayyyy too irrate for something that have no control over and especially for something that they will literally do nothing about but bitch online for the next 2 to 6 years. Like, shit, dude, you choose to be angry.

Classic example of stupid thinking, "Oh man as long as I'm in a good spot this president is all right" Try thinning outside your bubble bro.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Had the stock market go to record highs

Had nothing to do with Trump, given that this was a continuation of the growth that was a result of recovery policies put in place during the Obama administration (and even then, I often find that both politicians and the general public grossly overestimate exactly how much effect politicians have on the economy).

TheWorstPoster posted...

Denuclearized North Korea

You have a strange definition of "denuclearized", given that North Korea has given up precisely zero nukes and doesn't even agree with the US on what the definition of "denuclearization" is.

Zangulus posted...

Dont forget the first Supreme Court nominee wasnt supposed to be his and only happened because congress refused to do their duly appointed jobs of even remotely attempting to confirm a sitting presidents nomination.

True, but also ultimately not Trump's fault (and not even really the Senate's fault - enough Republicans were willing to vote for Garland that he would have been confirmed had McConnell allowed a vote on it, and if we're going to start talking about the shitty things *that* asshole has done, there's a good chance I'll wind up with a 40,000 word post and little bloody stumps where my fingers used to be).

TheWorstPoster posted...

Even though the rule that a President cannot nominate a Supreme Court Justice during his last year of his term was created by the Democratic Party?

Conservatives always love bringing this up yet it's painfully apparent none of them actually read the speech they excised this little nugget from, or else it might dawn on them that:
a) Joe Biden put this forward, not the Democrat Party, and it never saw widespread adoption by the Democrats, nevermind being made official policy
b) Biden didn't say that then-President Bush shouldn't nominate a Supreme Court Justice; he said he should nominate a moderate acceptable to the opposition (then Democrats) in the senate. Which you might recognize as being exactly what Obama did.
c) All of this ignores that Presidents of both parties have nominated - and had confirmed - Supreme Court justices during an election year and nobody seemed to have a problem with it.

Seriously, the blather that McConnell and the conservative talking heads put forward to justify the robbery of Obama's nomination was utter horseshit and everyone with even half a brain knows it.

TheWorstPoster posted...

First, that was a policy which Obama started.

Weird how you give Obama credit for negative things, but not for positive things like the explosive economic growth that Trump is busy crowing about.

Moving on...

Based on false accusations that has been sit on for over 30 years, when the accuser could not even remember any details, and every single witness denied it, and every FBI investigation turned up absolutely no incriminating evidence?

I always ask conservatives for their proof that the allegations were false and that Ford perjured herself and no one ever has any. It seems that all this "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense is only for people they like.

As for not remembering details, is that surprising?

Where were you when you heard about the September 11th attacks? What were you doing? If you were born in 1991 or earlier, I can almost guarantee you could reply in significant detail. What did you have for dinner that night? When exactly did you first hear about Al Qaeda being responsible? Those questions you probably can't answer because that's how memory works - you remember the visceral details and forget the rest.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

DACA never went away, as Trump promised over 1.7 million DACA recipients to not be deported.

The only reason why DACA is still in existence is because a judge blocked the executive order signed by Trump that eliminated it and ordered the government to continue accepting new applicants.

And if you believe Trump's promises on anything, I have a wall to sell you that I pinky swear Mexico will pay for.

OhhhJa posted...

It just wasnt emphasized in the media because the left wouldnt want to hear about that

And because the right would be mortified if they had to admit that Obama was doing something they agreed with.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Remember, back in the 70's, we were expected to go into an Ice Age by 2000

Remember when people thought the Earth was the centre of the universe? Man they were totally wrong about that. That's why I'm sure they're wrong about the Earth not being the centre of the universe now.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Then why did it start to rapidly increase immediately following the election (despite warnings by the media that we would go into a global economic depression)?

Because literally nobody was predicting a global economic depression and the rapid increase was already happening under Obama?

TheWorstPoster posted...

Even though North Korea is in a vulnerable position right now, and Kim is fearing for his life since China is getting tired of him, and he knows he has nothing to benefit from nuclear war

Kim has nothing to benefit from nuclear war, but everything to benefit from nuclear arms.

Seriously, this is not difficult to figure out. Kim does not want to be deposed - not by his enemies, not by his allies, not by his generals, and not by his own people. What's his most reliable way to securing his own future? Making sure that he is too risky to take out - and that's exactly what nuclear arms brings to the table. He'll never win a conventional war with one of the world, but he can ensure that if someone tries to take him out, he'll take millions of innocent people out with him and ensure the cost of victory is so obscenely high no rational person would ever accept it.

The fact that China is getting tired of him is a sign that Kim is getting exactly what he wants. For a long time, North Korea was China's lapdog by dint of the fact that China had enormous influence over the regime and could (in theory) get rid of the Kims the instant they posed a serious problem. Now? Trying to depose Kim would spark a humanitarian crisis unlike any the world has ever seen before. And that's exactly how Kim wants it.

Kim would be an idiot to sign a nuclear arms pact with Trump. Iran did that with the last administration, complete with verifications that it was - by all accounts, even Trump's - living up to, yet the next administration unilaterally nixed the treaty for no particularly good reason. And so, Kim is doing the exact same thing North Korea has done with the last three administrations and counting - promise peace, make a largely symbolic show of giving up some token of their nuclear program, demand concessions, immediately renege on the bargain when they have what they want. Lo and behold, now that China is no longer enforcing sanctions on them, the pace of this "denuclearization" has slowed to a halt. Kim will continue to string this along for as long as he feels he can dupe Trump (probably quite a while, given how things look now) and then we'll be right back to square one.
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You guys forgot that Trump's administration has cut billions of dollars from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
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Why are y'all arguing with him?
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Look what you did tc. You stirred the pot. Why don't you ask what The correct religion is?
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Look what you did tc. You stirred the pot. Why don't you ask what The correct religion is?

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He built a wall!!!!

I mean, it got built right? I have not watched the news lately.
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wolfy42 posted...

He built a wall!!!!

I mean, it got built right? I have not watched the news lately.

Yeah he did. I had him come over one night to do my sheetrock. And he even had some Mexican dude pay for it like he promised