Poll of the Day > Mexican Trump Supporter who wishes she was WHITE causes OUTRAGE in Florida!!!

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A Mexican Trump Supporter shouting RACIST rhetoric on the street while praising Donald Trump has drawn outrage in the Latino community after her screaming and shouting at a rally went viral.

She attacked Barack Obama and backed Trump's 2020 re-election bid as she had a show down with anti-white house protesters.

She identified herself as "Karina" and jumped and down and down and said she was a TRUE MEXICAN SELLOUT and that she HATED HERSELF for being MEXICAN!!

She screamed "You are so stupid. My name is Karina. I am a Mexican Racist. All you zombies, you're so dumb. wake up, wake up".

She wore a 2020 MAGA Trump Hat as the trump sympathizer went on a bizarre rant shouting her rage against undocumented immigrants and against Obama where she said "Obama is the greatest deception in American History. Watch the Obama deception. If you're illegally here, you're illegally here. What's so hard to understand?"

Dailymail reached out to Adrian Garcia who shared the video and said her opinoins were repudiated by Hispanics as he said "Unfortunately, a Latino's worst enemy is another Latino"

Karina yelled "i am a sell out. I am really am a Mexican sell out. My people are not my people. I am part of the white people. They are my people. I am not mexican, i am white. Stop watching CNN. Look there is a way to enter and it's legally. Fox News. that's my baby. Believe in God. Believe in Fox News. F*** you zombies"

Do you know people like her irl who hates their own people?

Karina - Trump Tramp

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mrduckbear posted...

Do you know people irl who hate their own people?

Yes, and most of them are white.
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I think she has a terrible way with words, but doesn't actually believe she's white. It makes a lot more sense if you simply read it as she sees herself as American and doesn't relate to Mexican nationalism. She supports her home country, not her "native" country.
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Latino and white are not mutually exclusive.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Latino and white are not mutually exclusive.

They're considered mutually exclusive.
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Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you know people irl who hate their own people?

Yes, and most of them are white.

That's funny. Most of the ones I know are black.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

They're considered mutually exclusive.

How? In very broad strokes, one is a culture, the other an ethnicity.
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minervo posted...

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you know people irl who hate their own people?

Yes, and most of them are white.

That's funny. Most of the ones I know are black.

I guess it depends on the kind of people you hang out with more. Black people kill each other a lot, white people shame each other and suffer from white guilt a lot. I guess black people hate their own kind more in terms of magnitude.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

They're considered mutually exclusive.

How? In very broad strokes, one is a culture, the other an ethnicity.

They're both ethnic groups. There's a reason on applications asking for your ethnicity it lists non-latino white and latino-white as two separate things. They're not entirely separate races like negroid vs. caucasoid, but they're certainly different ethnic groups.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

They're both ethnic groups. There's a reason on applications asking for your ethnicity it lists non-latino white and latino-white as two separate things.

"Latino" just means from Latin America, regardless of their genetic heritage, just like African Americans either have ancestors from or were born in Africa and now are American.

Zero_Maniac posted...

They're not entirely separate races like negroid vs. caucasoid, but they're certainly different ethnic groups.

Terms that were abandoned as quickly as they were introduced and considered very offensive nowadays I think.

Edit: also, now I am wondering, is Latino not kinda slur, like Oriental, just one that has not fallen out of use?
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

"Latino" just means from Latin America, regardless of their genetic heritage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino

The U.S. government's Office of Management and Budget has defined Hispanic or Latino people as being those who "trace their origin or descent to Mexico, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Central, and South America (other than Guyana, French Guiana, and Suriname), and other Spanish cultures".

If that doesn't imply genetic heritage being involved, I don't know what does.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Terms that were abandoned as quickly as they were introduced and considered very offensive nowadays I think.

No, they are still in use in scientific fields. Sure they are considered offensive these days thanks to SJW culture, but I honestly do not care. They are scientific terms, and I am not using them in any derogatory manner.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Edit: also, now I am wondering, is Latino not kinda slur, like Oriental, just one that has not fallen out of use?

Since when was Oriental considered a slur? Seriously, y'all get offended over everything these days.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

If that doesn't imply genetic heritage being involved, I don't know what does.

I would go with the two paragraphs before it. Considering the US only recently struck terms like Oriental from its legal documents...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Sure they are considered offensive these days thanks to SJW culture,

No, I dislike the term because it refers to people from the Caucasus, there is an entire continent between me and the Caucasus. Thus it should not be able to refer to me.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

Since when was Oriental considered a slur? Seriously, y'all get offended over everything these days.

Nope, I am wondering and asking. I mean, how is it different from say the shortenings of Japanese and Chinese?
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Zero_Maniac posted...

minervo posted...

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you know people irl who hate their own people?

Yes, and most of them are white.

That's funny. Most of the ones I know are black.

I guess it depends on the kind of people you hang out with more. Black people kill each other a lot, white people shame each other and suffer from white guilt a lot. I guess black people hate their own kind more in terms of magnitude.

So my black friend was telling me how he beat the shit out of another black guy on the street for abusing his girlfriend. I told him hell yea, wish i was there, i'd be the first to fight. He tells me buddy... go to somalia and pick fights with black people. I said to him we live in Canada. He says oh yea, you can step on us like a bug here.
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I don't hate but am bothered by the behavior of some Chinese among my community. Granted my sister and I briefly talked about this and she made a point out that isn't necessarily those among our community that bothers me, it's rude people in general that bothers me.

Funny enough, I was at a blood drawing station recently and out of a room of a dozen Asians (probably Chinese), two were Mexicans. I couldn't help but overhear (yes I know that is rude too) one talking over the phone and she mentioned how everyone was rude cause she sneezed and no one said "bless you".

Part of me felt a little guilt and wondered if I simply wasn't in the room or didn't year. At the same time I'm telling myself she's also making the assumption that everyone has the same etiquette as her.

I do find it a little weird that I can't feel proud by association unless I contributed to something but I do feel some guilt by association despite doing no wrong.
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Uh, there's a Chinese restaurant here called "The Oriental", don't know how offensive it can be.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

I would go with the two paragraphs before it.

Considering those two paragraphs don't contain anything that contradicts my point, I don't see why I should.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Considering the US only recently struck terms like Oriental from its legal documents...

Yeah, thanks to far-left SJWs in the government.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Nope, I am wondering and asking. I mean, how is it different from say the shortenings of Japanese and Chinese?

What, like "JP" (GameFAQs won't even let me post the actual word. Goes to show how SJW infested most gaming forums are) and "Chink"? It's not. I don't consider those offensive either. I don't commonly use them (can't remember the last time I typed them let alone said them aloud) but I don't begrudge people who do use them. I don't get upset over people saying cracker, honkey, or even the n-word either. Life's too short to get offended over some stupid word. I'm sure I'll get modded for including one of these words anyways (oddly enough GFAQs has no problem with ethnic slurs against white people. I doubt that's a coincidence).

MannerSaurus posted...

Uh, there's a Chinese restaurant here called "The Oriental", don't know how offensive it can be.

Where do you live? I doubt it's California or any other blue state. If you do live in a blue state, you might want to check that restaurant again to make sure it hasn't been wrecked by Antifa.
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Oriental is a characteristic so a Chinese place called that is fine.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

(oddly enough GFAQs has no problem with ethnic slurs against white people. I doubt that's a coincidence).

No, I got warned for calling myself a cracker before lol
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

(oddly enough GFAQs has no problem with ethnic slurs against white people. I doubt that's a coincidence).

No, I got warned for calling myself a cracker before lol

Really? That's stupid too. GFAQs mods are getting offended at you...for you?
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Ah whatever, I do the same thing and no one goes crazy when I do it. Except 2 of my friends
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Zero_Maniac posted...

They're considered mutually exclusive.

Only in the US because we're kind of moronic about racial stuff. Everyone else recognizes that there are white latinos (obviously including Mexicans): https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Mexicans_of_European_descent.html

here's an example: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Mexican_Girls.jpg

Zero_Maniac posted...

The U.S. government's Office of Management and Budget has defined Hispanic or Latino people as being those who "trace their origin or descent to Mexico, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Central, and South America (other than Guyana, French Guiana, and Suriname), and other Spanish cultures".

If that doesn't imply genetic heritage being involved, I don't know what does.

Only in the sense that you have ancestors who were born in these countries. Considering that whites have lived in those countries for centuries I don't see how that definition precludes you from being white. If it does then maybe Anglos should be a race that is distinct from white/black/asian/native for people who can trace their heritage back in Canada and the US.

EightySeven posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

They're considered mutually exclusive.

Only in the US because we're kind of moronic about racial stuff. Everyone else recognizes that there are white latinos (obviously including Mexicans): https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Mexicans_of_European_descent.html

here's an example: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Mexican_Girls.jpg

That very article points out that natives to Mexico are likely to be mestizos, which is to say some European and some indigenous Central American. They're a different ethnicity at this point.
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You mean white male feminists? Sure.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

That very article points out that natives to Mexico are likely to be mestizos, which is to say some European and some indigenous Central American. They're a different ethnicity at this point.

And? Just say Mestizos not "Latinos" or "Mexicans" when you're talking about race and there's no issue. The whole point is that not every Latino is a Mestizo.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Latino and white are not mutually exclusive.

Hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive. Latinos identify as Native Americans who we colonized by the Spanish

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

They're considered mutually exclusive.

How? In very broad strokes, one is a culture, the other an ethnicity.

Neither of those are cultures, what the fuck are you talking about

EightySeven posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

That very article points out that natives to Mexico are likely to be mestizos, which is to say some European and some indigenous Central American. They're a different ethnicity at this point.

And? Just say Mestizos not "Latinos" or "Mexicans" when you're talking about race and there's no issue. The whole point is that not every Latino is a Mestizo.

Race and culture tend to correlate.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

EightySeven posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

That very article points out that natives to Mexico are likely to be mestizos, which is to say some European and some indigenous Central American. They're a different ethnicity at this point.

And? Just say Mestizos not "Latinos" or "Mexicans" when you're talking about race and there's no issue. The whole point is that not every Latino is a Mestizo.

Race and culture tend to correlate.

No, nationality and culture tend to correlate. Race is just a catch-all for appearance.
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Zeus posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

EightySeven posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

That very article points out that natives to Mexico are likely to be mestizos, which is to say some European and some indigenous Central American. They're a different ethnicity at this point.

And? Just say Mestizos not "Latinos" or "Mexicans" when you're talking about race and there's no issue. The whole point is that not every Latino is a Mestizo.

Race and culture tend to correlate.

No, nationality and culture tend to correlate. Race is just a catch-all for appearance.

The vast majority of minorities in America are anti-2nd Amendment and pro big government whereas a slight majority of whites are pro 2nd Amendment and pro small government. These latter values are two basic values that are key to American culture. Cultures are made from values and traditions, and these two values were and are particularly important for America. While it's not fair to say that because someone is of a certain race or ethnic group that they must hold these beliefs, it is fair to say that, in general, on average, certain people belonging to certain racial/ethnic groups tend to hold certain beliefs.

You can also disprove the notion of race being a "catch-all for appearance" on a biological level. Some races are more prone to certain diseases and medical conditions than others, and for some organ transplants (but not all) you want a replacement from someone of the same race because other races have too many differences in said organ.

Before you label me as a white supremacist-Nazi-literally Hitler, let me make my views clear: I am certainly an ethno-nationalist, but this view extends to all races. I think every race/ethnicity should have an ethnostate. I do not believe that any one race or ethnicity is superior to another, but I do believe that there are differences between them, and those differences are okay. Blacks are more athletic than other races on average, which is why we see them dominate sports like football and basketball. Whites and Asians are smarter than blacks on average, which is why we see them dominate STEM. That's not to say that a white person can't be athletic, or a black person can't be smart, but in general/on average what I'm saying is true. And that's okay, because I don't think we should determine a person's worth based on how athletic or smart they are.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

The vast majority of minorities in America are anti-2nd Amendment

Blatantly untrue, since blacks make up the largest minority and are pretty heavy into gun ownership.

Zero_Maniac posted...

pro big government whereas a slight majority of whites are pro 2nd Amendment and pro small government. These latter values are two basic values that are key to American culture. Cultures are made from values and traditions, and these two values were and are particularly important for America. While it's not fair to say that because someone is of a certain race or ethnic group that they must hold these beliefs, it is fair to say that, in general, on average, certain people belonging to certain racial/ethnic groups tend to hold certain beliefs.

Politics by itself isn't a surrogate for culture. Keep in mind that homogenous nations *also* have sharp political divides and, of course, races worldwide hold different political stances which further undermines your argument because you *still* need to recognize nationality or ethnicity to make your argument work.

Zero_Maniac posted...

You can also disprove the notion of race being a "catch-all for appearance" on a biological level. Some races are more prone to certain diseases and medical conditions than others, and for some organ transplants (but not all) you want a replacement from someone of the same race because other races have too many differences in said organ.

Again, that's not merely race, that's more a matter of ethnicity. And pretending that race isn't merely a matter of appearance is laughable considering the history of race as a construct which at one point used things like the paper-bag test to determine race.

The rest of your post I'm not even touching. You don't need to shout, "I'm not racist!", because I wasn't going to accuse you of being racist. However, while you cite racial averages, you're really overlooking that *ethnicities* are driving those averages one way or the other, which is why looking at race as a composite is somewhat meaningless.
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Zeus posted...

Blatantly untrue, since blacks make up the largest minority and are pretty heavy into gun ownership.

Wrong.

Zeus posted...

Politics by itself isn't a surrogate for culture.

I never said it was.

Zeus posted...

Again, that's not merely race, that's more a matter of ethnicity

No, it's both. Ethnicity is a subset of race, by the way.

Zeus posted...

And pretending that race isn't merely a matter of appearance is laughable

No it's not. You can keep drinking your progressive kool aid if you like, but I prefer to live in reality. The data shows that you are wrong.

Zeus posted...

You don't need to shout, "I'm not racist!

That's not what I did. I don't care if you call me racist. Plenty of people would consider me to be a racist based on what I said in that previous post, and that's fine. I just want to let you know that I'm not in favor of authoritarian regimes or sending people to gas chambers.

Zeus posted...

while you cite racial averages, you're really overlooking that *ethnicities* are driving those averages one way or the other, which is why looking at race as a composite is somewhat meaningless.

Anthropologists can determine whether someone is (or is approximately, in the case of mixed race individuals) caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid, etc based on the shape of their skull or other features. To deny the differences between the races is to deny anthropologists their field. We also know that ethnicities within a given race have similar characteristics beyond just appearance on average, and I'd be interested in any evidence you have to the contrary.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

Wrong.

Feel free to look it up. It's a lot more than you seem to think.

Zero_Maniac posted...

No, it's both. Ethnicity is a subset of race, by the way.

Cars and trucks are both automobiles, but cars aren't trucks. The idea that it's really all just the same is patently false. You're going to have pretty extreme variations based on ethnicity, which is why race is a terrible categorization outside of appearance.

Zero_Maniac posted...

No it's not. You can keep drinking your progressive kool aid if you like, but I prefer to live in reality. The data shows that you are wrong.

You don't understand the data or its significance. And this isn't a matter of "progressive beliefs," it's a matter of fact. Ethnicity imparts a lot of information whereas race obscures information.

Zero_Maniac posted...

That's not what I did. I don't care if you call me racist. Plenty of people would consider me to be a racist based on what I said in that previous post, and that's fine. I just want to let you know that I'm not in favor of authoritarian regimes or sending people to gas chambers.

Good to know? It's a little weird that you feel like you specifically have to say something like that, especially when nobody has accused you of such.

Zero_Maniac posted...

Anthropologists can determine whether someone is (or is approximately, in the case of mixed race individuals) caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid, etc based on the shape of their skull or other features. To deny the differences between the races is to deny anthropologists their field. We also know that ethnicities within a given race have similar characteristics beyond just appearance on average, and I'd be interested in any evidence you have to the contrary.

...which is still based on looks. And it's funny that you talk about denying anthropologists their field. Are you also going to object to people who denied phrenologists their field? =p
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mrduckbear posted...

Do you know people irl who hate their own people?

Sure mostly everyone hates someone of their own race.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

Race and culture tend to correlate.

Mostly true in old world countries (though that's changing in Europe), but in the Americas it's a lot less clear-cut. That being said, dubious correlation aside, your definition that latino=mestizo is just factually incorrect.

Zeus posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you know people irl who hate their own people?

Yes, and most of them are white.

Do they have "male ally" as a self-description? :P

My cousin's kid is half Indian and seemingly hates "brown people"... I assume he gets it from his dad, who talks like he'd rather be white.
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EightySeven posted...

Zeus posted...

No, nationality and culture tend to correlate. Race is just a catch-all for appearance.

Mostly true in old world countries (though that's changing in Europe), but in the Americas it's a lot less clear-cut.

While globalism has chipped away at individual cultures, most nations have their own cultural differences. The larger countries are always going to have regional differences on top of national ones, including things like dialects/accents and slang.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Do they have "male ally" as a self-description? :P

Certainly describes some of them, especially given their overuse of the #HeForShe tag.
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Zeus posted...

Feel free to look it up. It's a lot more than you seem to think

I did. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-africanamerican-guns/african-americans-still-favor-gun-control-but-views-are-shifting-idUSKCN0PP2N320150715
Seems like while black gun ownership is on the rise, they're still in favor of gun control mostly. Also, I don't know if I mentioned this or not earlier (not going to read through the topic again), but whites being majority in favor of gun control is a very small majority. It's around 53% last I checked.

Zeus posted...

You're going to have pretty extreme variations based on ethnicity,

Got data to back this up?

Zeus posted...

You don't understand the data or its significance.

Sure I do. If I don't, then please enlighten me rather than just condescendingly tell me that I don't understand it. As far as I can tell, this: http://aristocratsofthesoul.com/average-iq-by-race-and-ethnicity/

is fairly accurate. It breaks up the data by race, and then by ethnicity. Of course, it likely doesn't include every ethnicity, but it includes enough of them to see a trend. You're right, ethnicity does matter, and I'm not saying it doesn't. What you don't seem to want to admit is that race matters beyond just appearance as well, and that notion is what this data disproves.

Zeus posted...

Ethnicity imparts a lot of information whereas race obscures information.

Still waiting for the data/reasoning on this one.

Zeus posted...

It's a little weird that you feel like you specifically have to say something like that, especially when nobody has accused you of such.

Considering how far to the left gaming websites like this are, I don't think it's unreasonable or weird.

Zeus posted...

...which is still based on looks

Yes, form tends to imply function. Not an absolute of course.

EightySeven posted...

your definition that latino=mestizo is just factually incorrect.

I didn't say this exactly, though. Latinos tend to be mestizos, but of course there are exceptions to most every rule.
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