Poll of the Day > So I just found out that Netflix...

(+) Yeah! (+)

...is going to start putting ads on their service.
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Well that's complete and utter horseshit.
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And they think I'll continue using their service
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Proof?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Proof?

They talk about the press release thing in this video. If you need better proof, go search for it. Reddit is pretty livid about it I hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5WYz1C5toA" data-time="
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afaik they're not ads, they're promos for Netflix content. Also, they'll be skippable. Also also, they already do this to some degree, they're just thinking of doing it between episodes of a series or something like that. Making it more common? But again, I believe the promos are skippable. Also also also, they're testing this out. It's not something they've fully implemented yet.

From what I gather, everyone is flipping out over pretty much nothing. But, thats the internet for you.
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Its just ads for Netflix shows and they only show up between episodes when binge watching. Its also something they are only testing with some users.

The amount of people losing their damn minds over it is hilarious
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This is why I don't use Hulu as is.

I'm paying for your service so I don't have to watch commercials in the first place.

I'm damn sure not paying for your service to watch commercials.
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ya, that's a cancelling
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When did paying for something mean you cant be advertised to?

Thats not how things have ever worked. You go to the movies and there are previews but no one talks about boycotting theaters for it
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I figured it was a bunch of nonsense.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

This is why I don't use Hulu as is.

I'm paying for your service so I don't have to watch commercials in the first place.

I'm damn sure not paying for your service to watch commercials.

Hulu has a commercial-free tier.

rogerskg1979 posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

This is why I don't use Hulu as is.

I'm paying for your service so I don't have to watch commercials in the first place.

I'm damn sure not paying for your service to watch commercials.

Hulu has a commercial-free tier.

I stopped giving a shit about Hulu back when they added commercials to the paid tier in the first place for the very same reasons I'd specified in the first post I'd made.
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Mead posted...

When did paying for something mean you cant be advertised to?

Thats not how things have ever worked. You go to the movies and there are previews but no one talks about boycotting theaters for it

people actually get excited to watch the previews
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likehelly posted...

Mead posted...

When did paying for something mean you cant be advertised to?

Thats not how things have ever worked. You go to the movies and there are previews but no one talks about boycotting theaters for it

people actually get excited to watch the previews

Yep. Back in my day it was the best time to get up to go to the bathroom, to put the dishes away, to take out the trash if necessary, or (if it's a local commercial) TURN DOWN THE VOLUME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO YOUR EARS AREN'T BLEEDING!
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>commercials on cable, a much more expensive and less flexible service
>ok
>skippable promos for other shows on a much cheaper and better service
>UnAcCePtAbLe!!!1

GanglyKhan posted...

>commercials on cable, a much more expensive and less flexible service
>ok
>skippable promos for other shows on a much cheaper and better service
>UnAcCePtAbLe!!!1

The whole point of cutting the cord is to get what I want. What I want is to not be bombarded with 5 minutes of ads for every 10 minutes of programming I've already paid for. When the non cable services start adopting the business model of the networks, it's time to vote with my dollar and look for alternate options.

It's as simple as that. I'm paying the service already. If they're going to get greedy and double dip, it takes away the entire reason I've switched to their service in the first place.

And they can't seem to figure out why the piracy option is so popular...

Netflix already bombards me daily with emails about every program they think I might have the slightest interest in. I'm not going to pay them to watch or even be forced to skip even more advertising for programming. The next step is pharmaceutical ads and car ads which is exactly why I'd left Hulu originally.
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GanglyKhan posted...

>commercials on cable, a much more expensive and less flexible service
>ok
>skippable promos for other shows on a much cheaper and better service
>UnAcCePtAbLe!!!1

People cancelled their regular TV too, they can cancel Netflix and find something else - there's always something else
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People are brats when it comes to streaming services.
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Veedrock- posted...

People are brats when it comes to streaming services.

People moved from tv to streaming because of things like that, though, so it's natural to be annoyed when those things follow.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

If they're going to get greedy and double dip, it takes away the entire reason I've switched to their service in the first place.

they're only showing ads for their own Netflix shit in between stretches of episodes

how is that benefitting them financially
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I make the effort to avoid advertising. I'm fully adblocked with no intention of whitelisting. If sites need to close, meh. Also gotten quite adept at tuning out when the TV does it, either to my lappy or to a game. When the show resumes I literally don't recall a thing.

I've never been a Flix user so it doesn't actually affect me but it's good to know that it might not be an option for the future.

Stop trying to make flix a thing
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This is such a dumb thing for people to be throwing temper tantrums about

boo

likehelly posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

If they're going to get greedy and double dip, it takes away the entire reason I've switched to their service in the first place.

they're only showing ads for their own Netflix shit in between stretches of episodes

how is that benefitting them financially

Well, it boosts retention, doesn't it? The more value you think you get from a service, the less likely you are to cancel it. And they constantly have you following their original programming (assuming that you literally just mean their stuff, and not other things on the platform), you're probably going to stay as a customer. If there was no benefit for them, they wouldn't implement it.
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Lokarin posted...

People cancelled their regular TV too, they can cancel Netflix and find something else - there's always something else

Is there though? With that many options? Netflix exclusivity is pretty big these days. Hulu has like... Rick & Morty and Handmaid's Tale, both exceedingly average shows.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

snipsnip

I see your points but at the same time, we're talking 2 minutes per episode compared to 8, you know? I just whip out my phone and play some gachashit. People gotta do what's good for them, so yeah, I won't genuinely go after anyone ditching Netflix, but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

GanglyKhan posted...

Is there though? With that many options?

Yes, believe it or not... you have the option to NOT watch TV
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

>commercials on cable, a much more expensive and less flexible service
>ok
>skippable promos for other shows on a much cheaper and better service
>UnAcCePtAbLe!!!1

The whole point of cutting the cord is to get what I want. What I want is to not be bombarded with 5 minutes of ads for every 10 minutes of programming I've already paid for. When the non cable services start adopting the business model of the networks, it's time to vote with my dollar and look for alternate options.

It's as simple as that. I'm paying the service already. If they're going to get greedy and double dip, it takes away the entire reason I've switched to their service in the first place.

And they can't seem to figure out why the piracy option is so popular...

Netflix already bombards me daily with emails about every program they think I might have the slightest interest in. I'm not going to pay them to watch or even be forced to skip even more advertising for programming. The next step is pharmaceutical ads and car ads which is exactly why I'd left Hulu originally.

Well, you not paying for a service to not watch commercials. You're paying for a service to watch the shows they have whenever and wherever you want. You can watch newer shows any place & any time at a cheaper cost than most cable services. The commercials themselves are only like 2 minutes or so instead of the regular tv commercial lengths. And you can still do whatever like get a drink or play on your phone. As someone else also said, there is a commercial free tier. And I believe that's still cheaper than cable. I do understand what you're saying. But it seems kind of... IDK... to me...

Lokarin posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

Is there though? With that many options?

Yes, believe it or not... you have the option to NOT watch TV

I understand what you're saying. But he said is there something else. This is more like there's nothing else. I think he means is there something else they can watch with this many options...
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GanglyKhan posted...

but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

But it is. Compare the one 30 second "sponsored by" ad the big 3 networks used to run at each end of a program at the beginning of broadcast television to what we have now where the very narrative structure of a program centers around where they can shoehorn 20 odd minutes of advertising into every hour of programming for boner pills and cars.

Look at how the original incentive for going to the streaming services was "a third of our programming isn't advertising". Now look at the warming of the pot here where I'm actually paying them to serve me advertising. it's stupid, greedy, and something I want no part of or I'd still be paying for 1000 cable channels I don't want. The buck stops here for me with Netflix the same way it did with Hulu. Simple as that.
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yeah, i don't really care. it's going to be an advertisement for their own content during binge watching sessions.

i can handle a 30 second ad every 30 minutes or an hour.
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LinkPizza posted...

I think he means is there something else they can watch with this many options...

There are, but Netflix has people mentally hostage.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

But it is. Compare the one 30 second "sponsored by" ad the big 3 networks used to run at each end of a program at the beginning of broadcast television to what we have now where the very narrative structure of a program centers around where they can shoehorn 20 odd minutes of advertising into every hour of programming for boner pills and cars.

Look at how the original incentive for going to the streaming services was "a third of our programming isn't advertising". Now look at the warming of the pot here where I'm actually paying them to serve me advertising. it's stupid, greedy, and something I want no part of or I'd still be paying for 1000 cable channels I don't want. The buck stops here for me with Netflix the same way it did with Hulu. Simple as that.

The old sponsor message usually ran for about a minute at the beginning and then there was usually a second sponsor message during the program (so it was a bit worse than described, but not terrible... other than it usually being the same two messages). However, keep mind that that was how it started and things *eventually* got to the point they are today. People in arms about this today are likely seeing it as the first step towards the exact reason they cut their cable.
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Veedrock- posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I think he means is there something else they can watch with this many options...

There are, but Netflix has people mentally hostage.

Oh, yeah. I know there are others. I see ads and hear ads for them often. Not to mention the other people who have them and talk about them. Haha.
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Zeus posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

But it is. Compare the one 30 second "sponsored by" ad the big 3 networks used to run at each end of a program at the beginning of broadcast television to what we have now where the very narrative structure of a program centers around where they can shoehorn 20 odd minutes of advertising into every hour of programming for boner pills and cars.

Look at how the original incentive for going to the streaming services was "a third of our programming isn't advertising". Now look at the warming of the pot here where I'm actually paying them to serve me advertising. it's stupid, greedy, and something I want no part of or I'd still be paying for 1000 cable channels I don't want. The buck stops here for me with Netflix the same way it did with Hulu. Simple as that.

The old sponsor message usually ran for about a minute at the beginning and then there was usually a second sponsor message during the program (so it was a bit worse than described, but not terrible... other than it usually being the same two messages). However, keep mind that that was how it started and things *eventually* got to the point they are today. People in arms about this today are likely seeing it as the first step towards the exact reason they cut their cable.

TBH, I didn't know that many people cut their cable because of commercials. This is the first time I'm hearing about it. Usually, I hear they cut it because they Netflix/Hulu was cheaper(or that cable in general was too expensive), or they can watch the few shows they watch there, or they don't spend enough time at home to watch it, and stuff like that. But I've never heard the commercial reason anywhere but here. Tonight is probably the first time I'm hearing it...
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LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

But it is. Compare the one 30 second "sponsored by" ad the big 3 networks used to run at each end of a program at the beginning of broadcast television to what we have now where the very narrative structure of a program centers around where they can shoehorn 20 odd minutes of advertising into every hour of programming for boner pills and cars.

Look at how the original incentive for going to the streaming services was "a third of our programming isn't advertising". Now look at the warming of the pot here where I'm actually paying them to serve me advertising. it's stupid, greedy, and something I want no part of or I'd still be paying for 1000 cable channels I don't want. The buck stops here for me with Netflix the same way it did with Hulu. Simple as that.

The old sponsor message usually ran for about a minute at the beginning and then there was usually a second sponsor message during the program (so it was a bit worse than described, but not terrible... other than it usually being the same two messages). However, keep mind that that was how it started and things *eventually* got to the point they are today. People in arms about this today are likely seeing it as the first step towards the exact reason they cut their cable.

TBH, I didn't know that many people cut their cable because of commercials. This is the first time I'm hearing about it. Usually, I hear they cut it because they Netflix/Hulu was cheaper(or that cable in general was too expensive), or they can watch the few shows they watch there, or they don't spend enough time at home to watch it, and stuff like that. But I've never heard the commercial reason anywhere but here. Tonight is probably the first time I'm hearing it...

At least Zues gets what I'm saying here. I despise ads, and advertising has gotten out of control in media overall. A 1 hour football game shouldn't take 4 hours to watch because advertising itself interferes with the pacing of the game ffs. A 1 hour drama shouldn't have it's entire narrative structure designed around commercials. The news can't even go after big pharma on the opioid epidemic for fear of upsetting their corporate Masters and I'm sick of having the filthy lucre of ad revenue penetrating every aspect of my media consumption. Doubly so for media I've already paid to consume. Previews in movies have pissed me off since the VHS days. I get that a *free* service like YouTube has to monetize somehow to stay afloat, but I'm already paying Netflix ffs.

Netflix has decided that me paying them and them hitting me with daily notifications and emails wasn't enough, and the ads in their content crosses a line too far for me.
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LinkPizza posted...

But I've never heard the commercial reason anywhere but here

...what?

commercials are the #1 reason people ditch cable.
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LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

But it is. Compare the one 30 second "sponsored by" ad the big 3 networks used to run at each end of a program at the beginning of broadcast television to what we have now where the very narrative structure of a program centers around where they can shoehorn 20 odd minutes of advertising into every hour of programming for boner pills and cars.

Look at how the original incentive for going to the streaming services was "a third of our programming isn't advertising". Now look at the warming of the pot here where I'm actually paying them to serve me advertising. it's stupid, greedy, and something I want no part of or I'd still be paying for 1000 cable channels I don't want. The buck stops here for me with Netflix the same way it did with Hulu. Simple as that.

The old sponsor message usually ran for about a minute at the beginning and then there was usually a second sponsor message during the program (so it was a bit worse than described, but not terrible... other than it usually being the same two messages). However, keep mind that that was how it started and things *eventually* got to the point they are today. People in arms about this today are likely seeing it as the first step towards the exact reason they cut their cable.

TBH, I didn't know that many people cut their cable because of commercials. This is the first time I'm hearing about it. Usually, I hear they cut it because they Netflix/Hulu was cheaper(or that cable in general was too expensive), or they can watch the few shows they watch there, or they don't spend enough time at home to watch it, and stuff like that. But I've never heard the commercial reason anywhere but here. Tonight is probably the first time I'm hearing it...

It's usually among the litany of complaints people have regarding cable, often raised right after they complain about the expense.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

At least Zues gets what I'm saying here. I despise ads, and advertising has gotten out of control in media overall. A 1 hour football game shouldn't take 4 hours to watch because advertising itself interferes with the pacing of the game ffs. A 1 hour drama shouldn't have it's entire narrative structure designed around commercials. The news can't even go after big pharma on the opioid epidemic for fear of upsetting their corporate Masters and I'm sick of having the filthy lucre of ad revenue penetrating every aspect of my media consumption. Doubly so for media I've already paid to consume. Previews in movies have pissed me off since the VHS days. I get that a *free* service like YouTube has to monetize somehow to stay afloat, but I'm already paying Netflix ffs.

Yeah, that shit is the worst. There are things I stopped watching because of how much commercials bulked out the run time.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Zeus posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

but people gotta stop acting like this is something serious lol

But it is. Compare the one 30 second "sponsored by" ad the big 3 networks used to run at each end of a program at the beginning of broadcast television to what we have now where the very narrative structure of a program centers around where they can shoehorn 20 odd minutes of advertising into every hour of programming for boner pills and cars.

Look at how the original incentive for going to the streaming services was "a third of our programming isn't advertising". Now look at the warming of the pot here where I'm actually paying them to serve me advertising. it's stupid, greedy, and something I want no part of or I'd still be paying for 1000 cable channels I don't want. The buck stops here for me with Netflix the same way it did with Hulu. Simple as that.

The old sponsor message usually ran for about a minute at the beginning and then there was usually a second sponsor message during the program (so it was a bit worse than described, but not terrible... other than it usually being the same two messages). However, keep mind that that was how it started and things *eventually* got to the point they are today. People in arms about this today are likely seeing it as the first step towards the exact reason they cut their cable.

TBH, I didn't know that many people cut their cable because of commercials. This is the first time I'm hearing about it. Usually, I hear they cut it because they Netflix/Hulu was cheaper(or that cable in general was too expensive), or they can watch the few shows they watch there, or they don't spend enough time at home to watch it, and stuff like that. But I've never heard the commercial reason anywhere but here. Tonight is probably the first time I'm hearing it...

At least Zues gets what I'm saying here. I despise ads, and advertising has gotten out of control in media overall. A 1 hour football game shouldn't take 4 hours to watch because advertising itself interferes with the pacing of the game ffs. A 1 hour drama shouldn't have it's entire narrative structure designed around commercials. The news can't even go after big pharma on the opioid epidemic for fear of upsetting their corporate Masters and I'm sick of having the filthy lucre of ad revenue penetrating every aspect of my media consumption. Doubly so for media I've already paid to consume. Previews in movies have pissed me off since the VHS days. I get that a *free* service like YouTube has to monetize somehow to stay afloat, but I'm already paying Netflix ffs.

Netflix has decided that me paying them and them hitting me with daily notifications and emails wasn't enough, and the ads in their content crosses a line too far for me.

Maybe that's not enough, then. I mean, you are paying them, but they make it pretty cheap. And you get a lot of stuff on there. Maybe this is a way to make sure they don't start losing money. But, either way, it's your choice. If you want to drop them, you definitely can...
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Zeus posted...

likehelly posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

If they're going to get greedy and double dip, it takes away the entire reason I've switched to their service in the first place.

they're only showing ads for their own Netflix shit in between stretches of episodes

how is that benefitting them financially

Well, it boosts retention, doesn't it? The more value you think you get from a service, the less likely you are to cancel it. And they constantly have you following their original programming (assuming that you literally just mean their stuff, and not other things on the platform), you're probably going to stay as a customer. If there was no benefit for them, they wouldn't implement it.

okay, but is that commercial for orange is the new black that played while you were watching the office for the 29th time really going to be what persuades you to keep paying for netflix?

i think it's more that they want to boost views for their kinda shitty stuff that no one really cares about and doesn't watch
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Bulbasaur posted...

Zeus posted...

likehelly posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

If they're going to get greedy and double dip, it takes away the entire reason I've switched to their service in the first place.

they're only showing ads for their own Netflix shit in between stretches of episodes

how is that benefitting them financially

Well, it boosts retention, doesn't it? The more value you think you get from a service, the less likely you are to cancel it. And they constantly have you following their original programming (assuming that you literally just mean their stuff, and not other things on the platform), you're probably going to stay as a customer. If there was no benefit for them, they wouldn't implement it.

okay, but is that commercial for orange is the new black that played while you were watching the office for the 29th time really going to be what persuades you to keep paying for netflix?

i think it's more that they want to boost views for their kinda shitty stuff that no one really cares about and doesn't watch

I don't think it's just that. It's to basically show you what else is out there. Sometimes, you may not know a certain show is on Netflix or has a new season. Or maybe you see an ad or whatever for a show you hadn't heard about and it looks interesting. Or maybe you weren't sure what to watch next or you were about to finish binging some other show.
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I'm okay with adverts, as long as I can queue several shows and the ads don't stop the show buffering.
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LinkPizza posted...

Maybe that's not enough, then. I mean, you are paying them, but they make it pretty cheap. And you get a lot of stuff on there. Maybe this is a way to make sure they don't start losing money. But, either way, it's your choice. If you want to drop them, you definitely can...

And the cable alternative is to pay 10x as much when upwards of 90% of those channels are literally channels I am never going to watch. Triply so if there's a 50/50 chance that I'm going to land on a commercial while flipping through the channels. That's not counting home shopping channels, foreign language channels, religious programming channels, and any other number of niche drek that populates cable...and this is the bullshit model new media is aspiring to? They really don't get it do they? This is *exactly* the sort of bullshit that drives people to piracy and I would have thought that digital age media companies would have a better understanding of this but apparently they've gone and hired the same consultants that have all but ruined dinosaur media as well.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Maybe that's not enough, then. I mean, you are paying them, but they make it pretty cheap. And you get a lot of stuff on there. Maybe this is a way to make sure they don't start losing money. But, either way, it's your choice. If you want to drop them, you definitely can...

And the cable alternative is to pay 10x as much when upwards of 90% of those channels are literally channels I am never going to watch. Triply so if there's a 50/50 chance that I'm going to land on a commercial while flipping through the channels. That's not counting home shopping channels, foreign language channels, religious programming channels, and any other number of niche drek that populates cable...and this is the bullshit model new media is aspiring to? They really don't get it do they? This is *exactly* the sort of bullshit that drives people to piracy and I would have thought that digital age media companies would have a better understanding of this but apparently they've gone and hired the same consultants that have all but ruined dinosaur media as well.

IDK. I can't see what's so bad about a skippable ad. Especially since we don't know much about how it works and it's only in testing. I would say that I'm going to wait to see if it's anything to get mad about. But from the sounds of it, it mostly likely won't bother me. Commercials suck sometimes. But getting rid of them wasn't the reason I got any streamng services, so it doesn't matter much to me...
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All these posts and still no link

Hmmm
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FatalAccident posted...

All these posts and still no link

Hmmm

There's a video...
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FatalAccident posted...

All these posts and still no link

Hmmm

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/netflix-tests-out-ads-for-its-own-shows-in-between-episodes.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-testing-ads-for-original-content-2018-8
https://deadline.com/2018/08/netflix-tests-promotion-videos-social-media-backlash-follows-1202448750/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/20/business/media/netflix-commercials-videos-ads.html
https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/netflix-is-testing-out-ads-but-heres-the-good-news
http://adage.com/article/digital/netflix-commercials/314662/
https://themuse.jezebel.com/netflix-is-here-to-ruin-your-evening-and-possibly-your-1828459807
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/netflix-now-plays-ads-between-tv-episodes-for-some/1100-6461256/
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/17/netflix-ads-promo-content/
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/08/netflix-ads-original-series-binge-watching-1201996179/
http://fortune.com/2018/08/18/netflix-ads-trailers/
http://fortune.com/2018/08/20/netflix-test-ads-commercials/

fuck off.
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Bulbasaur posted...

FatalAccident posted...

All these posts and still no link

Hmmm

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/netflix-tests-out-ads-for-its-own-shows-in-between-episodes.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-testing-ads-for-original-content-2018-8
https://deadline.com/2018/08/netflix-tests-promotion-videos-social-media-backlash-follows-1202448750/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/20/business/media/netflix-commercials-videos-ads.html
https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/netflix-is-testing-out-ads-but-heres-the-good-news
http://adage.com/article/digital/netflix-commercials/314662/
https://themuse.jezebel.com/netflix-is-here-to-ruin-your-evening-and-possibly-your-1828459807
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/netflix-now-plays-ads-between-tv-episodes-for-some/1100-6461256/
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/17/netflix-ads-promo-content/
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/08/netflix-ads-original-series-binge-watching-1201996179/
http://fortune.com/2018/08/18/netflix-ads-trailers/
http://fortune.com/2018/08/20/netflix-test-ads-commercials/

fuck off.

@FatalAccident
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If they're really skippable and short, it's still preferable to most other options
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We really do live in an age of entitlement. What a bunch of crybabies.
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