Poll of the Day > John Boyega speaks on harrassment of star wars actors

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https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-john-boyega-harassment/
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He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.
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didn't click the link but this is the same guy that once said there aren't enough black people on Game of Thrones, a show in which one part of the story took place in a continent filled with black people, and showed an entire city of them in a long storyline

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

I do wonder how fans reaction would be if it was a high profile actor/actress filling a bad role. Of course I'd imagine fans would argue that said high profile actor/actress would never have accepted such role but I am still curious if fans would still give flack.
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When you live in a first world country and have a more privileged lifestyle...theres really nothing more to get worked up over and harass your fellow man about than whats going on in the movie/tv/sports/gaming world.
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Zikten posted...

didn't click the link but this is the same guy that once said there aren't enough black people on Game of Thrones, a show in which one part of the story took place in a continent filled with black people, and showed an entire city of them in a long storyline

Easy there put down the flaming cross man
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But has he spoken on the quality of his movies?
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DrYuya posted...

When you live in a first world country and have a more privileged lifestyle...theres really nothing more to get worked up over and harass your fellow man about than whats going on in the movie/tv/sports/gaming world.

When some folks in the world are fighting over something as simple as clean water, kinda puts into perspective how pathetic some complaints are. Of course it's all relative. The issues they deal with is kinda trivial to us while we have our own issues to deal with.
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Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person
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He's not wrong, but equally, welcome to being literally anyone of any sort of fame in the Internet Age. Getting death threats and stuff just comes with the territory.
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Mead posted...

Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person

I wonder how many online personalities even matches their real life ones. I've had my disagreement with other GameFAQers before but I avoid as much as I can of letting it degrade to the point of hurling insults. Even if I "win" I am winning against some stranger online. Frankly such a "win" is meaningless to me.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

welcome to being literally anyone of any sort of fame in the Internet Age. Getting death threats and stuff just comes with the territory.

Hell, even simply having a solid job and/or a solid relationship with someone is enough for some folks to hate you.
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adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.
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Zeus posted...

You know that they choose to take roles, right?

Oh for fuck sake, Zeus.
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Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Blaming the victim now because she took a job

Look at him go
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Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Even then, only certain actors are really given a script. Most of the time it is the agents that give them the parts. She was a huge star wars fan and she dreamt of being in star wars. There was no way she could have known, the movie would have given her this bad of publicity. There is jsut simply no reason for anyone to attack her period. I hate TLJ with a passion, disliked her character after the first showing, but I will defend her against shit like this because it is ridiculous to blame her for any of this movie. If the movie had a better director who wasn't given creative control, her role could have been much bigger. You would have to be an idiot to turn down a gig for a highly acclaimed movie. Hell no one went into that movie expecting it to be as bad as it was. No one, yeah TFA had some mary sue issues and not being creative, but it set the stage up well for the next movies and a lot of people were excited. Rian Johnsons and Kathleen Kennedy destroyed any hope for a good sequel.
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The biggest star wars victim is the kid from the first movie. That kids life got messed up and no one said anything.
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DrPrimemaster posted...

The biggest star wars victim is the kid from the first movie. That kids life got messed up and no one said anything.

He actually has full blown schizophrenia
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Blaming the victim now because she took a job

Look at him go

Pretending that somebody is a victim because they signed onto a high-paying film and are being criticized for their character's part in it.

Look at him go. Go, Bri, go!
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yutterh posted...

Even then, only certain actors are really given a script.

The closer they get to actually taking the role, the more information they have about it. The idea that she never touched a script before signing on is a bit silly.

yutterh posted...

Most of the time it is the agents that give them the parts.

...so you're claiming that actors have no agency? That their agents actually make the decisions as to what they work on? >_>

yutterh posted...

There is jsut simply no reason for anyone to attack her period. I hate TLJ with a passion, disliked her character after the first showing, but I will defend her against shit like this because it is ridiculous to blame her for any of this movie.

Sure there is. The reason is because they're mad and actors are a visible target. I haven't seen TLJ, but I don't presume to tell people how to feel or how they should legally make their feelings known.

yutterh posted...

You would have to be an idiot to turn down a gig for a highly acclaimed movie.

Except no, on quite a few levels here. First, serious actors routinely turn down major roles for fear of being typecast. Most actors are smart enough to understand the risks that come with these kinds of roles (which *can* and often do hurt their long-term acting careers) and decide accordingly. Second, "acclaimed" is highly presumptuous. What you probably actually meant was "high-paying," which is another matter.

yutterh posted...

No one, yeah TFA had some mary sue issues and not being creative, but it set the stage up well for the next movies and a lot of people were excited. Rian Johnsons and Kathleen Kennedy destroyed any hope for a good sequel.

tbh, I'm not sure whether I should be more amused or disappointed by the results of the Disney takeover since a lot of the prequel trilogy problems were believed to be Lucas's fault yet TFA came along and was roughly as bad as TPM in its own way.
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InfestedAdam posted...

Hell, even simply having a solid job and/or a solid relationship with someone is enough for some folks to hate you.

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/armed-intruder-breaks-youtube-couple-213009494.html


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Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Blaming the victim now because she took a job

Look at him go

Pretending that somebody is a victim because they signed onto a high-paying film and are being criticized for their character's part in it.

Look at him go. Go, Bri, go!

Do you really not understand that an actor should not be personally attacked and threatened because of creative choices that they themself did not make?
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Blaming the victim now because she took a job

Look at him go

Pretending that somebody is a victim because they signed onto a high-paying film and are being criticized for their character's part in it.

Look at him go. Go, Bri, go!

Do you really not understand that an actor should not be personally attacked and threatened because of creative choices that they themself did not make?

You actually need to ask this about Zeus?
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Blaming the victim now because she took a job

Look at him go

Pretending that somebody is a victim because they signed onto a high-paying film and are being criticized for their character's part in it.

Look at him go. Go, Bri, go!

Do you really not understand that an actor should not be personally attacked and threatened because of creative choices that they themself did not make?

Do you really not understand that they read the script when they chose to take the role? And do you further not understand that these are all known risks? People have known Jake Lloyd's story for over a decade now. Anybody who gets involved in Star Wars is perfectly aware of the backlash that can come with it. They made their choice.

As for the issue of death threats, welcome to the internet. I've had a dozen or more death threats on this board and I didn't have some million-dollar contract to star in a movie. They're getting bothered because they took a highly lucrative job in a terrible film. Meanwhile I get harassed by weirdos on a daily basis and I don't get anything from it. Man, I'm getting ripped off! Well, if things are really so awful for those overpaid actors, maybe they'd be willing to switch places.
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I've had a dozen or more death threats on this board

@Zeus

No, you havent.

Youre also just flat out wrong in your assertion that she somehow deserved this harassment for taking an acting role. Youre beyond the realm of any reasonable thinking.
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John is a plant.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

adjl posted...

He's not wrong. Harassing actors for playing the roles given to them is just being an impotent dick for no reason.

You know that they choose to take roles, right? Directors, producers, etc, don't just grab somebody off the street and pressgang them into acting. Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

Blaming the victim now because she took a job

Look at him go

Pretending that somebody is a victim because they signed onto a high-paying film and are being criticized for their character's part in it.

Look at him go. Go, Bri, go!

Do you really not understand that an actor should not be personally attacked and threatened because of creative choices that they themself did not make?

You actually need to ask this about Zeus?

He defended the KKK ralliers last year, it's no surprise, ok?
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Mead posted...

Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person

Mainly because it's more of a headache and nobody wants to ruin everyone's night.
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Mead posted...

Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person

I also imagine most of these infamous trolls are actually teenagers

Zeus posted...

You know that they choose to take roles, right?

Yes. I also know that absolutely no actor who doesn't already have a well-established career would turn down a part in ****ing Star Wars, given the publicity and visibility such a role will offer. I also know that, before taking the part, it's unlikely that she received the entire script to be able to review it and assess how well-implemented her character is. I also know that most actors (particularly newer ones) have neither the responsibility nor the directorial experience necessary to look at a script and envision how the whole thing is going to play out well enough to be able to make meaningful criticism, especially not on the scale of "this whole character and every scene that involves her need to be rewritten."

Zeus posted...

Likewise, actors can have some input on the script, lest we forget how Harrison Ford infamously cut out a whole fight scene from Raiders.

That's only an option for well-established actors. Harrison Ford has significantly more ability to say "this sucks I don't like it" than Kelly Marie Tran does. There's also a world of difference between saying "this scene oesn't work and we should cut it" and saying "this character doesn't work and we should cut her please fire me."

Zeus posted...

Sure there is. The reason is because they're mad and actors are a visible target.

That's still not a reason to harass somebody. Or it is technically a reason, but it's not a justification. Harassing somebody who has no power to change what you're mad about is idiotic and unjustifiable, and I'm baffled that you would even consider defending it. Not surprised, but baffled.
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Hell, pay me 1/10th of what even the newer actors made for Force Awakens and/or TLJ

I'll gladly put a laser cannon on my eyes for digging out prison tunnels in Micheal Bays gritty sci fi remake of Shawshank Redemption.

Will I care about the internet guy who's crying buckets of salt from his mangina about the death of modern movies? Not so much.
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DrYuya posted...

Hell, pay me 1/10th of what even the newer actors made for Force Awakens and/or TLJ

I'll gladly put a laser cannon on my eyes for digging out prison tunnels in Micheal Bays gritty sci fi remake of Shawshank Redemption.

Will I care about the internet guy who's crying buckets of salt from his mangina about the death of modern movies? Not so much.

Lol what the fuck are you talking about
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Mead posted...

I've had a dozen or more death threats on this board

@ Zeus

No, you havent.

Yes, I have. And you know damn well because you and your lackeys have been witness or party to some of them.

Mead posted...

Youre also just flat out wrong in your assertion that she somehow deserved this harassment for taking an acting role. Youre beyond the realm of any reasonable thinking.

First off, somebody who harasses as much as you do really has no room to talk here. Second, I said that taking a role leaves you open to criticism for that role.

dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person

I also imagine most of these infamous trolls are actually teenagers

It's a popular cliche, but I doubt it's actually the case since most of the people with strong opinions on the franchise as a whole tend to be old enough to have been outraged over the prequel trilogy.

adjl posted...

Yes. I also know that absolutely no actor who doesn't already have a well-established career would turn down a part in ****ing Star Wars, given the publicity and visibility such a role will offer.

No, you actually don't. You BELIEVE that no actor would, but that's not the same thing as knowing. And, as I noted earlier, the publicity and visibility has clear downsides. Not just in terms of typecasting (which is a huge issue for somebody just getting started), but also because we *already* saw how others who took these roles were treated.

adjl posted...

I also know that, before taking the part, it's unlikely that she received the entire script to be able to review it and assess how well-implemented her character is.

Even if they don't get everything pertaining to their character (and usually you'll see more and more as you get closer to actually signing), they still receive substantial parts of it. Your belief that they're somehow going in completely blind is erroneous.
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adjl posted...

That's still not a reason to harass somebody. Or it is technically a reason, but it's not a justification.

It's both a reason and a justification. It's just not one that you find pleasing to your sensibilities.

adjl posted...

Harassing somebody who has no power to change what you're mad about is idiotic and unjustifiable, and I'm baffled that you would even consider defending it.

I'm defending the right to criticize professionals, which you either feel people lack or should lack.

Meanwhile, you somehow think actors have less say than a kid working the register at a Taco Bell. The whole, "Well, it's policy, sir!", argument rings flat in context.

DrYuya posted...

Hell, pay me 1/10th of what even the newer actors made for Force Awakens and/or TLJ

I'll gladly put a laser cannon on my eyes for digging out prison tunnels in Micheal Bays gritty sci fi remake of Shawshank Redemption.

Will I care about the internet guy who's crying buckets of salt from his mangina about the death of modern movies? Not so much.

Yeah, especially since I get hounded by Mead without the benefit of a massive contract that carries royalties and some merchandising possibilities. I'd happily trade places with these kids (although maybe not for a tenth, but certainly half or a quarter)
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Zeus posted...

Even if they don't get everything pertaining to their character (and usually you'll see more and more as you get closer to actually signing), they still receive substantial parts of it. Your belief that they're somehow going in completely blind is erroneous.

Did I say that she went in completely blind, or did I say that she went in without enough information to make constructive criticisms about how the movie as a whole fit together that would be taken seriously?

Zeus posted...

I'm defending the right to criticize professionals, which you either feel people lack or should lack.

And in doing so, you're conflating harassment with criticism. You shouldn't criticize an engineer for the choice of paint colour on a building (excepting non-aesthetic reasons to be concerned about exterior colours), and you certainly shouldn't frame that criticism as a personal attack. It's not that people shouldn't be able to criticize professionals, it's that people who criticize professionals without the basic common sense and manners needed make sure they're criticizing the right professionals without devolving into personal attacks should be mercilessly mocked into ashamed silence for their idiocy.
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Zeus. What the fuck, dude.
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keyblader1985 posted...

Zeus. What the fuck, dude.

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Zeus posted...

dioxxys posted...

Mead posted...

Most people that talk crap on the internet would never have the nerve to do so in person

I also imagine most of these infamous trolls are actually teenagers

It's a popular cliche, but I doubt it's actually the case since most of the people with strong opinions on the franchise as a whole tend to be old enough to have been outraged over the prequel trilogy.

To be fair, most of the people whining about shit online likely aren't teenagers physically, but they're certainly on the level of teenagers (or worse) in terms of emotional and psychological development. Mature adults have more important things to do than bitch to (or at) strangers about inconsequential bullshit. Especially ones who are actually living lives, raising families, worrying about deadlines at work or trying to pay bills.

The modern era has created a ton of manchildren (and female manchildren - womanchildren?). Culture as a whole is sort of bordering on a case of arrested development in a lot of ways (at least in the West). And the loudest, most active bleaters have all discovered that the Internet gives them a voice more powerful than they ever would have had at any other point in human history, and they're exploiting the fuck out of it.

Arguably, there's a discussion to be had involving cultural touchstones - early in human history "adulthood" was pretty much determined by biology, and when you were capable of making babies. Then agriculture sort of drew a line between adult and child that was more defined by what tasks you were capable of doing in terms of labor. The entire concept of "teenage" didn't exist prior to the Industrial Revolution or so, where the need for greater technical skills led to a requirement for more specialized schooling over a longer period of time, and an argument can be made that the more recent technological and computer revolutions have extended that nebulous "half-adult" state to even older ages, where twentysomething college students are still effectively children in adult bodies in a lot of ways.

If anything, future technological advances and increased human lifespan statistics may require a complete reevaluation of what "adult" actually is at this point, or indeed, the entire human lifespan in terms of psycho-social development. It's a redefinition that we're already starting to approach with things like the idea of moving "retirement age" beyond 65.


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John Boyega

If you dont like Star Wars or the characters understand that there are decisions makers and harassing the actors/ actresses will do nothing. Youre not entitled to politeness when your approach is rude. Even if you paid for a ticket!

He sounds like a reasonable person. That's very level-headed.
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still waiting for this "Zeus jumps the shark" arc to be over with, its really dragging on
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Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

I've had a dozen or more death threats on this board

@ Zeus

No, you havent.

Yes, I have. And you know damn well because you and your lackeys have been witness or party to some of them.

Whilst sharing my struggles with cancer, you threatened my life, ok?
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He's just a social justice warrior who is virtue signaling. This isn't a real issue, no one really cares about this.
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Tell him his movie is shit. Do it any way you can (Twitter, Facebook, texting him, snail mail, telegraph, semaphores, smoke signals, etc.).
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Zikten posted...

When you live in a first world country and have a more privileged lifestyle...theres really nothing more to get worked up over and harass your fellow man about than whats going on in the movie/tv/sports/gaming world.

That's basically the entire feminist agenda in the west.

Don't try to solve inequality where there is some. Create inequality where there is none.
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Anyone saying actors sign up for this abuse

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/millie-bobby-brown-homophobic-meme-1202845084/

What exactly did she do? People loved her role in Stranger Things. There are just dicks on the internet that ruin it for everyone, it's not something people should just take.
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Solid Sonic posted...

Tell him his movie is shit. Do it any way you can (Twitter, Facebook, texting him, snail mail, telegraph, semaphores, smoke signals, etc.).

I think you missed the point.
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The only way to win this war against cultural Marxism is to insult the instruments of their control
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Andromicus posted...

The only way to win this war against cultural Marxism is to insult the instruments of their control

Trump is a doody head!
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Mead posted...

Andromicus posted...

The only way to win this war against cultural Marxism is to insult the instruments of their control

Trump is a doody head!

Reeeee snowflake!
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