Board 8 > Han continues watching the MCU (digi)

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Cloak & Dagger is also only on episode 5 at this point, so you might as well wait until you can see it all.

Also, just so you know, his name is Mack. Not that it matters, but there you go.

Reading your writeups does make me remember that season 2 kinda felt disjointed in some ways, or overstuffed.
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To be honest, I thought season 1 was mediocre leaning to bad up until the twist and it was a decently cool, but the execution of everything was still bad. Like Ward fighting all those guys at the hub while Skye was hiding in the closet looked like shit. I thought the plot overall ramped up but the show still wasn't very good... it was just okay. I always thought Ward was a bad actor from the beginning too, tbh

I had high hopes going into season 2 and I thought the premiere was a giant mess topped off with a *really* stupid scene at the end where Coulson does a voice over about how they had to take a risk and they could have failed that day, but they needed an edge, as it shows them steal the cloaking quinjet with May riding off on a motorcycle popping wheelies while guards shot at her. i thougt that scene was stupid as hell. I thought "oh god they havent improved at all, this scene is gonna suck too"

Then Simmons was undercover and Mockingbird showed up and Hunter turned out to be awesome and the Inhuman plotline began and I WAS ALL IN. I love season 2.

show just gets better and better from there.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh wow, i thought i was the only person who preferred iron man 3 to 1.

We are not alone.
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CoolCly posted...

To be honest, I thought season 1 was mediocre leaning to bad up until the twist and it was a decently cool, but the execution of everything was still bad. Like Ward fighting all those guys at the hub while Skye was hiding in the closet looked like shit. I thought the plot overall ramped up but the show still wasn't very good... it was just okay. I always thought Ward was a bad actor from the beginning too, tbh

I had high hopes going into season 2 and I thought the premiere was a giant mess topped off with a *really* stupid scene at the end where Coulson does a voice over about how they had to take a risk and they could have failed that day, but they needed an edge, as it shows them steal the cloaking quinjet with May riding off on a motorcycle popping wheelies while guards shot at her. i thougt that scene was stupid as hell. I thought "oh god they havent improved at all, this scene is gonna suck too"

Then Simmons was undercover and Mockingbird showed up and Hunter turned out to be awesome and the Afterlife plotline began and I WAS ALL IN. I love season 2.

show just gets better and better from there.

Oh yeah, season 2 is definitely better than season 1, but I meant that I felt like the plotline of "real Shield" and "Inhuman village" could have carried a season on their own, yet they put both of them together in one.
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I feel like the writers of this movie didn't watch the first Thor. I feel like Odin has been misrepresented this entire movie so far. At least Loki is sad now.

That's kind of the fault of the actor. He hates super-hero films and everything they represent.
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I don't like season 2 as much as 1, right now.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I feel like the writers of this movie didn't watch the first Thor. I feel like Odin has been misrepresented this entire movie so far. At least Loki is sad now.

That's kind of the fault of the actor. He hates super-hero films and everything they represent.

well that doesn't really make sense considering he's excellent in the other Thor movies...
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Maybe I'm just in the minority but I walked away from JJ S1 thinking that it was "The Greatest Marvel Show Ever" (patent pending), and I walked away from JJ S2 thinking that it was like someone else wrote Jessica Jones and didn't get the show at all. But as long as it was enjoyed by someone, that's important.

I watched 2 episodes of JJ2, dropped it and concluded it's considerably inferior to Iron Fist.

And that's not because I like Iron Fist.
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CoolCly posted...

To be honest, I thought season 1 was mediocre leaning to bad up until the twist and it was a decently cool, but the execution of everything was still bad. Like Ward fighting all those guys at the hub while Skye was hiding in the closet looked like shit. I thought the plot overall ramped up but the show still wasn't very good... it was just okay. I always thought Ward was a bad actor from the beginning too, tbh

I had high hopes going into season 2 and I thought the premiere was a giant mess topped off with a *really* stupid scene at the end where Coulson does a voice over about how they had to take a risk and they could have failed that day, but they needed an edge, as it shows them steal the cloaking quinjet with May riding off on a motorcycle popping wheelies while guards shot at her. i thougt that scene was stupid as hell. I thought "oh god they havent improved at all, this scene is gonna suck too"

Then Simmons was undercover and Mockingbird showed up and Hunter turned out to be awesome and the Afterlife plotline began and I WAS ALL IN. I love season 2.

show just gets better and better from there.

I thought S3 was a little inferior than S2. The plots got kind of silly at some points, especially Hive's plan at the end, and some of the religion Hydra stuff. Also fuck Bobbi and Hunter leaving. That made me hate the show and put it on hiatus for over two years, until someone told me S4 was great.

S4 is amazing tho. S5 has been great so far, albeit a little too dark for my tastes.
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IF was dumb but it had a certain sense of fun about it.

JJ2 may be the most joyless thing in all of MCU. There is no reason to care about it.
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I have no idea who TC is but I read this whole thing. And enjoyed it.

Tagged.
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JJ2 is fine and I don't understand people's dislike for it. I'm not saying it's perfect, but people who don't like it tear it down like it's one of the worst things ever. They've clearly never watched Inhumans.
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RyoCaliente posted...

JJ2 is fine and I don't understand people's dislike for it. I'm not saying it's perfect, but people who don't like it tear it down like it's one of the worst things ever. They've clearly never watched Inhumans.

Ok fair, I didn't watch Inhumans.

So it's the worst thing in MCU other than Inhumans.
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It's the worst Netflix show I've seen from Marvel. I'm not saying it's like Arrow episodes featuring Felicity bad.
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Season 2 of Arrow was so good and it makes me sad that it ended up where it is now.

Arrow was actually what got me to watch all of the other shows after binge watching the first season.
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How recently have you watched it? Arrow isnt as good as it was in season 5, it I wouldnt say where it is now is as bad as where it was on season 3-4. Those were dark times. Season 5 was great, and season 6 started out great got pretty not good in the middle and ended pretty okay. Which is still giving me more hope than I had in the 3-4 days.
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I think I made it a couple episodes into season 4 before finally giving up.
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Jessica Jones takes like 6 or 7 episodes before the question is answered of "what are they even trying to do with this season?"

It picks up at that point but wow the beginning episodes are a draaaaag.
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Finally getting to learn what happened with May in Bahrain. And Skye learned the leader of the Inhumans is her mother! Pretty quick.

Oh shit. No wonder May went off the deep end. Though I find it weird, the gunshot May used to take out the girl was enough to have Coulson run in, but there were multiple other gunshots before it. Was it just that revolver was louder than the other handguns or something?

When Skye noticed she was 26, something weird crossed everyone's faces.

Oh shit. Raina is an oracle. SHE BECAME CLAIRVOYANT
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OH It was von Strucker at the end of Winter Soldier. Experimenting on the Maximoffs. Obsessed with seeking out super-powered people... sounds like Strucker will be the big bad of Age of Ultron :P

Ohhhh Skye you didn't realize that you told Lincoln that Jiaying was your mother.

It's nice to see Mack actually fighting.

Best exchange in the show so far:
Ward: "Hey babe."
Coulson: "Hey sweetie."

I love that Mike P has a sense of humor.

I'm not sure I get what's going on with Ward

Maaaaan if someone in SHIELD 2 is a HYDRA agent... come on.

Ugghhh stop fucking over Mike. Every time he comes back he just gets fucked over. Let the guy have his day already.

And Lincoln from Cincinnati got captured too.

One more episode to go until Age of Ultron!
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Awww Fitz and Simmons reconnecting is sweet. He's peacocking for her, too. Though her murderous desires are a little unsettling.

OMG

SKYE

"I thought Raina's gift was spinning really fast to collect gold rings"

YESSSSSSSSSSS
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Man, Cal just foreshadowed Raina turning Afterlife against Jiaying.

Oh they did NOT just sacrifice the bus.

You know, it takes a LOT of contractors to build all these bases. The Triskelion and helicarrier were a lot. Explains how SHIELD was so easily infiltrated, with the sheer manpower it would require to get it running as fast as they did. But man, the HYDRA bases would take some work as well, especially given their remoteness.

When was the first time Skye killed somebody? She's doing it pretty expertly now. And starting someone's hearth with her powers... pretty cool.

Oh Jemma, bad idea. No. Ugh. SIMMONS KILLED A GUY wait this has happened before, right?

Loki's scepter and the mind crystal are back in play.
The Maximoffs have survived a lot of experimentation.
Time to send in the Avengers.
"Men made of metal will tear our cities apart... and the world will be changed forever."

I thought Season 1 hyped up Winter Soldier incredibly well. This is pretty awesome.

Age of Ultron, here we go (after I shower).

Also - Theta protocol? Should've been Lambda protocol. lowercase lambda looks the most like the Avengers A.


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New SHIELD vs Coulson Hunter and Fitz aka the best three characters on the show

RIP new SHIELD
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I forgot to take note of this, but last episode had so many good exchanges... including the final one between Coulson and Gonzales.

"Here you go, the toolbox unlocked. But I expect Director Fury will want it back when he returns... oh woops. Spoilers."

Coulson went through this ENTIRE hubbub just to drop that trump card on Gonzales at the end. But supposedly it was necessary to identify the location of Loki's scepter.

Before I get to Age of Ultron, some notes on the twins:

I plan to get a pair of white cats from the same litter some day and name them Pietro and Wanda. I had a pair picked out once, but wasn't able to adopt at the time. But the idea of the twins has always been a great one to me - how do you write the twin children of Magneto, one of the biggest villains on the planet Earth? Often, I think the answer is - not well. I put myself through Marvel Ultimate, which wrote the pair as horny twincesters. I don't think I have high hopes for this movie.

Let's find out!
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But first, a 7 minute Samsung commercial featuring Messi and Eddie Lacy, plus others?

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That was dumb.
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I marked out once I realized that episode was leading to the original 6 back together on the Bus one final time.
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It's too bad Ward is a dick and Fitz is messed up despite being pretty well adjusted at this point, and Skye is an alien weapon and Simmons is probably brainwashed by HYDRA and Coulson discovered he was memory wiped and controlled by genetic programming for awhile.

May deals with a lot of shit.
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I'm not going to get a chance to watch Age of Ultron until late tomorrow, probably
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Avengers: Age of Ultron

It's go time.

I guess the movie starts with Theta Protocol already in action, in Sokovia.

Last we saw these characters, they were all going their separate ways. Now, you have all 6 Avengers starting the movie by supposedly just being together. That means that Cap and Widow got picked up THAT quick after Winter Soldier. Iron Man has a suit ready, after Iron Man 3. I guess Hulk has been hanging around, probably easy to get a hold of. Curious to know what Haweye was doing this whole time, that's probably the most interesting thing. Thor has been getting laid.

Ok, Cap throwing his motorcycle at a humvee was great. And it's List! "No surrender!... I am going to surrender."

JARVIS being really integral to the Avengers here. I guess they realized they could have used him in Avengers 1. No War Machine or Falcon tho...

Poor Clint. Doomed to forever be the normie that takes the hit.

"Please be a secret door please be a secret door.. yay!"

I'm liking the banter so far. Pietro too.

Hulk was really in control at the end of Avengers. Surprised he's not more in control here. Not sure who to ship Natasha with. So far she's been flirty with Tony, Cap, Banner, has her past with Clint... too many options. Maybe she'll get her own movie and some real action.

Damn. Strucker jobbed, but HYDRA had a Chitauri leviathan the whole time. In his vision given to him by Scarlet Witch... Tony, being the last of the Avengers to live? Seems unlikely. Obvious Clint would die first.

And the intro to the movie ends with a VERY ominous tone as Tony grabs the scepter.

Hey Maria Hill. Avengers tower is cool. And why does the Iron Legion exist? I thought Tony got rid of most of his toys. Some of the humor here about Clint and parties is a little awkward.

"What if the next time aliens rolled up to the planet, they had to meet a bouncer?" Something tells me Ultron won't be around to meet Thanos...

Man, they really act as though HYDRA just got defeated there. Will HYDRA be gone in AoS as well?

I guess Ultron just happened. Seems a little weird for a projection of blue light that's a scan from the scepter to be attacking a smaller projection of orange light that is JARVIS.

Oh there's Falcon and War Machine. No Pepper, and Natalie Portman got mentioned.

Stan Lee just got wrecked on some Asgardian liquor.

And here's Widow flirting with Banner again. Everybody left the party except for the Avengers and the doctor and Maria.

This was kinda a very awkward introduction for Ultron. He just hobbled in in a broken robot and mumbled a bit while the Avengers were kicking back. And then after a little fight, left?

Ultron's humor seems kinda close to Tony's. It's weird.

Oh they just killed von Strucker like that.

Ulysses Klaue reference?! WAKANDA REFERENCE?!! Hmm are they really going to use up Ulysses Klaw in this movie? At the very least, he had his arm cut off and can get a claw now.

Yeeeaahhh I guess I correctly saw him sounding like Tony. Seems to be where they're going with Ultron's downfall.

Ultron's mouth is dumb. And why does knocking off the heads of these robots work to dismantle them? I would expect Ultron to program them so fragile.

Ohhh "they see you leading us to Hel" foreshadowing for Thor. And we're getting a look at Widow's past and Cap being old, but Thor sees the infinity stones and the eyes of a PURPLE MAN.

Hulkbuster armor appearance is kinda cool, I guess. Perhaps Veronica is a clue to how they'll beat Ultron... independent systems?

Will admit - it was nice for Hawkeye to not get had by Wanda. Pretty lame that she could sneak up on everyone like that.

CLINT HAS A FAMILY.
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Ultron's personality is a reflection of Tony's, as he's his creator

This is a miss with a lot of people...

But a hit for me! I love it!

Thor: Nobody has to break anything
Ultron: Clearly you've never made an omelette
Tony: He beat me by like one second
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Even Clint's wife thinks he's a pushover.

It's interesting that Ultron can use Loki's scepter. I guess robots can use the stones too.

I'm not really into WidowHulk. Why did he forget about Betty? What's with all this baby talk?

This "splitting the team" thing is happening way too effectively.

"Don't take from my pile" Tony is defensive of his tiny pile compared to Cap's.

Ok Samuel L. Jackson, time for you to save this movie.

Oh jeez. Did Ultron just make a body out of vibranium and human? AND THEN PUT THE INFINITY STONE ON IT?

Thor just discovered that it actually was an infinity stone and saw the gauntlet... this Thor subplot may be the best part of this movie so far.

There's a lot of weird cuts in this movie that cut out bits of action, like a collision of a laser blast with a metal door... it just gets cut straight to the door being blasted already.

Why can Ultron just make bits of the road blast up? Like, what? Come on. And 4/5ths of his consciousness are uploaded into this new body (which is clearly Vision)... what does that even mean? Shouldn't the body be more conscious than Ultron at this point? He's an AI, can't he self-replicated? How does this even work? Seems kinda dumb.

I have a feeling they're really setting up Hawkeye to die in this movie.

Witch and Quicksilver faceturn is pretty great. I like that Cap just gave them orders right away and it all clicked.

So, is Wanda right about Tony's idea to install JARVIS in the body being a bad idea, or is Tony right to do it?

I thought Civil War was the next movie. Seems like it's starting here.

OH I guess Thor just jumps in out of nowhere and completes the experiment. And there's Vision for the first time... actually pretty hype for a first time appearance. Glad he clothed himself by changing his colors.

Vision is very confusing... I was kinda hoping he would just be JARVIS, but I guess that wouldn't make sense. But OMG MY SIDES HE HANDED THOR HIS HAMMER YES

FRIDAY is not as cool as JARVIS.

Raina's vision was "our cities, destroyed by metal men". But so far, that's been like, Sokovia and a tiny bit of Seoul.

Poor Banner. Gets kissed then pushed in a pit.

"You get hurt, hurt em back. You get killed... walk it off." Fuck yeah, Cap.

"The city is flying, we're fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes any sense."

Ok, Thor, throwing random civilian up in the air to Cap was pretty funny. Took long enough for Widow to start fighting with her dual stun batons.

Deus ex Nick Fury, as per usual.

Ugh FINALLY War Machine shows up to help. Took him long enough. They're doing a lot of rescuing innocents without fighting any drones.

"You and Banner better not be playing hide the zucchini" oh my god they didn't just say that

For all the drones that are moving in here, you think they'd do something smart like have Cap+Iron Man do that thing where they shoot beams all around the place for crowd control.

Ugh, stop. Do not have Clint die because he had to go back to save some kid that everyone ignored can't make it over there.

Oh no. You did NOT set Clint up to die just to kill off Quicksilver instead.

Vision saved Wanda, it was pretty cute. It is pretty cool how he just shoots infinity stone beams out at things.

New Avengers facility is just old SHIELD. Really looking forward to what happens in AoS.

"The mind stone is the 4th infinity stone to show up" HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PURPLE STONE HE'S BEEN GETTING BUSY WITH NATALIE PORTMAN

New Avengers... Witch, Vision, Falcon, War Machine, Cap and Widow. Not bad.

"Avengers..." DON'T CUT HIM OFF BEFORE HE SAYS ASSEMBLE YOU FUCKS
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How can people miss that he's a reflection of Tony? That's more obvious than Wanda and Pietro being twins.

This credits scene statue of everyone fighting Ultron is kinda coolish, ish.

Post-credits... well that is an Infinity Gauntlet and OH SHIT WATCH OUT THANOS IS COMING IN AVENGERS 3 THIS WAS QUITE POSSIBLY THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE.

So let's start.

That wasn't great.

Give me a minute to type up my thoughts.
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for now i'll just say that i would have been pissed if they killed off hawkeye and i didn't care that they killed off quicksilver, because i wasn't a fan of this interpretation of the character anyway. gimme the fox quicksilver all day. (maybe he can even show up in the MCU if the disney/fox deal goes through, though having two canonical quicksilvers would be pretty weird, i guess.)
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

for now i'll just say that i would have been pissed if they killed off hawkeye and i didn't care that they killed off quicksilver, because i wasn't a fan of this interpretation of the character anyway. gimme the fox quicksilver all day. (maybe he can even show up in the MCU if the disney/fox deal goes through, though having two canonical quicksilvers would be pretty weird, i guess.)

I think you could actually get away with it if you structure it correctly. Technically, the MCU Quicksilver doesn't have the same name as the X-Men one, so someone borrowing the codename of another hero since they have similar powers isn't TOO outside the realm of possibility (it happens in comics, at least).
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This is where Scarlet would say "they don't really sell you on the stakes". Ultron was a threat... but a very contained threat. How do you have an AI created by the Mind Stone put himself through the entire internet and end up contained to his own constructs? Is that hubris? I guess I got the part where Vision touched him and that supposedly cut him off from the greater network, but that feels kinda lame. Woulda made more sense for him to "show the Avengers what he could do" by hooking up to the network at the tower and blocking him off there.

I'm fine with Ultron being created by Tony and Banner, instead of involving Pym. That said, they could have brought in Ant Man's movie a little sooner and utilized him. They could've made Ant Man a movie requisite for setting up Avengers 2. They could have... THEY COULD HAVE NOT USED ULTRON HERE.

Why use him anyway? The only purpose was to create Vision. Like that's it. That was the entire purpose of this movie. To make Vision. Maybe I'll be proven wrong later. I guess Scarlet Witch could be very important. But man, Ultron is a crazy villain, with SO much possibility... and this was what he was used on. A transitional film to develop the Infinity War plot a little bit more.

I mean, I get that the MCU just wants to take big Marvel events and condense them to one movie. But man. This movie should have been about HYDRA.

Winter Soldier destroyed SHIELD... and Age of Ultron basically brought it back. What was the point? This movie should have been Avengers dealing with a world where the organization that created them had fallen, and how they hold up their own identity in a world where nobody trusts SHIELD, and wouldn't trust the Avengers Initiative, a part of SHIELD, anyway.

Why even do the whole HYDRA taking down SHIELD from the inside if you're going to just say "oh well that was the last of HYDRA, it was just von Strucker, they had an Infinity Stone but did nothing with it". At least throw us a curveball and show us that Strucker was behind Ultron in the first place. Make Ultron a result of HYDRA and make it be worth something. Bring back Red Skull or give us Madame HYDRA or something. Give us continuity. Not "oh here's one of the biggest bads in Marvel we can use him as a transitional villain instead of developing earth or Thanos more. Nah, you just get Ultron."

Like what the heck.

That was one hell of a rant, let's talk about some other things this movie didn't do well.

Whedon knew what he was doing. He set Clint up to die. He knew the audience would know it. Just to fakeout with Quicksilver... I guess we were supposed to have a lot of tension built up waiting on him to die... but they waited too long. The climax was already way past the tipping point... at that point, killing someone off is cheap. Avengers 1 was perfect with when it took out Coulson. This was... dumb.

And what the hell is with Banner and Widow? Who said "hey, let's go with this angle"? It wasn't natural. It made no sense when she was talking about running away with him. It was just plain dumb. And now Hulk had an opportunity to run away so that he can... randomly show up in Thor 3? Am I right? I bet he doesn't even show in Civil War. I guess we can eagerly await a stupid Planet Hulk movie, right?

Will they bring in mutants into the MCU eventually? Magneto and Dr. Doom are the only Earth-borne villains worth bringing into play anymore.

The joke about Cap not liking bad language was drawn out too much. I completely get what people were saying about the humor in this movie. It didn't land. Something went wrong in the process of creating this movie, and I don't know what, but it felt so much like it was a Whedon movie that was trying to be itself and just couldn't fit the bill.

There were still some good lines, but even they felt weird and almost tone-deaf during the film.

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I don't think I really got the deal with Tony this movie. They set him up, thanks to Wanda, to create Ultron... but why? Why did she do it? What was the point of her and Pietro anyway? They hated Stark, but cared about people. Why did they fuck around in the beginning of the movie? Why was she played to be weird but then wasn't that weird? Why didn't she and Pietro just kill Tony?

I don't think I have a whole lot to say about Vision. He just kinda is. I like that he agree with Ultron about the human race being doomed. Sounds like Infinity War is going to be ridiculously cataclysmic.

Wow, actually no real post-credits scene. Just the Thanos one.

Ok. I have to catch up with friends in the latter half of them climbing, so I'll cut this short. Let's talk about the good things:

1. Thor fucking kicked ass and saved this movie from being a complete disaster. The jokes surrounding people lifting his hammer, them returning to it at the end. His vision, him meeting with Selvig. His general combat. Him finding out that the Infinity Stones were in play and seeking that out. I am a little confused with why Thanos and the Stones would pop up in his fear vision anyway... that implies that he has some deep-set knowledge of it. But who is the purple man in the floating chair?

That's my entire list.

Peace.

Movies
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man 3
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man 2
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By miss I mean less that they don't get it and more that they just don't like it. But I love Ultron in this movie!

Really, the biggest downfall is that they didn't make an "Ultron Prime" that could really mess up the avengers. They did give him a slightly stronger form for the climax but it was still pretty weak. There's that scene where Iron Man, Vision, and Thor cross the streams or whatever to take him out, but it was like, what's the point? Pretty much everybody could take him on. I don't mind the flood of disposable robots for everyone to smash but not having a really strong Ultron made the fighting all feel a bit lacking.

The Vision was supposed to be his Ultron Prime but that got taken away, which is fine. I just wish his backup was stronger. Like maybe just as strong from vibranium reinforcement, just lacking the extra specialty the mind stone gives.

Anyways, the thing people often complain about this movie is that it was "too much" which I agree with to an extent, and I feel it more and more every rewatch. There's just a lot they are trying to do so every scene feels a little too quick. There's not enough room to breathe. The farm scene is good but that doesn't slow down the pace of everything else.

But I don't think this hurts the movie *that* much. Everything that's happening is still awesome. Ultron, the Vision, Tony and Bruce being mad scientists, the farm, the party at the start, the floating fucking city, the Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Klawe.... it's all great. I don't see how having it makes it a "bad' movie... it just makes it not a top notch one.

Personally, I have a tier listing of how I like the movies, and most of them are split into a GREAT movie tier and most of the others are in a GOOD movie tier, and because of the pacing issues, I have in the GOOD movie tier. But I still thoroughly enjoy the whole thing. I can't comprehend thinking it was a terrible movie.

I haven't posted my tier list since I think you'd probably prefer to experience the movies with as few prior expectations as possible... but SOME DAY when you see infinity war I'll post it. All I'll say is that the GREAT tier used to be pretty small and only gets bigger and bigger as time goes on....
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Cly, I kinda have a tier list as well. Without thinking of it too much:

Everything Thor 2 and below is "meh".

Thor, by itself, is the "ok but not really looking forward to watching again" tier.

Cap and up is "good!"

I don't know if my great tier starts with Avengers or GotG.
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There are a lot of reasons I don't enjoy Age of Ultron.

But my #1 reason is that they don't sell you on the stakes!

Here is this robotic threat that hates humans and their emotions and sees them as inferior to him. And he... gasps. He laughs. He makes jokes. He gets angry. He feigns humanity even when it's not even necessary (like said gasps).

There is a lot of technojargon that means absolutely nothing and goes on for entire scenes. It doesn't mean anything to casual observers because it's not grounded in anything meaningful. Like, when you reach the point that a giant city being ripped from the ground and returned results in one death, you've completely failed at making something matter. Especially when you consider that these events lead up to the brouhaha in Civil War. "God, we hate those heroes, they...umm.... twenty people died in New York City once! That's like five fours! And that's terrible."

And I guess all of that pales in comparison to "I'M A MONSTER BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE BABIES!"
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yeah, age of ultron is certainly plagued with problems and obviously worse than the first one, but i still enjoyed it. decent movie.

ultron was kinda bad and pointless but not nearly as bad and pointless as the mandarins in iron man 3 imo.
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Hawkeye salvages Age of Ultron. His "none of this makes sense" bit is my favorite in the series, and his scenes with his family were the best in the movie (and also almost forcibly cut out by the producers). Everything else was pretty dull.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

And I guess all of that pales in comparison to "I'M A MONSTER BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE BABIES!"

Oh come on, are people still parroting this? She meant that she thought of herself as a monster because she willingly subjected herself to sterilization, for the purpose of becoming a better assassin. Not just the fact that she is unable to give birth.

Anyway, Han, I mostly have the same issues as you with respect to this movie but I will say that in retrospect this movie sets up a LOT of stuff for phase 3. Unfortunately because the movie itself was so forgettable most of it didn't really land, but it is there.

Also, the two scenes with Mjolnir (everyone trying to lift it at the party, and then Vision handing it to Thor) are two of the best scenes in the MCU.
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Thor salvaged the movie for me.

Cly, I don't mean this offensively, but your opinions baffle me. We seem to disagree on a lot xD
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Cybat posted...

Oh come on, are people still parroting this? She meant that she thought of herself as a monster because she willingly subjected herself to sterilization, for the purpose of becoming a better assassin. Not just the fact that she is unable to give birth.

I just think it was hilariously weird and awkward in that movie. It might have been the way the dialogue was set up, it might have been that she held a green giant's hand for six seconds and this apparently caused a flood of revelations that were so forced in that moment. Again, it's just my opinion of it, but in a movie full of technojargon and world-specific dialogue that doesn't have any emotional value, this felt like such forced emotional manipulation that it stands out like a sore thumb. I don't believe it.
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don't entirely agree with cly's post but i do agree with some of it. i thought the party scene was cool too, and seeing vision for the first time was hype. for me there was definitely more good stuff in the movie than just thor.
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Thor 2, Iron Man 2, and Incredible Hulk make up a meh tier for me as well!

I'll just fill it out with the movies you've seen so far. I don't really rank within the tiers.

GREAT TIER - a bunch of movies that just blew me away in basically all aspects

Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Avengers

you must be this tall to be great tier

Iron Man

GOOD TIER- a bunch of movies that I really liked but maybe had a couple things holding them back

Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Thor

Mediocre tier
Thor: the Dark World
Iron Man 2
Hulk

Basically, I think Iron Man 1 is just such an excellent movie that's only held back by just being a bit rough around the edges as the first movie they made, and the final act devolving into a generic Iron Man vs Bigger Iron Man fight where Obie, who I really liked, kinda stopped being a character. But I love the charisma of Tony, and the development he undergoes in the cave is really top notch. It's just a really great movie.

I have a hard time ranking the GREAT movies against eachother, but my litmus test of deciding if a movie can rank alongside them is "did this come together better than Iron Man did?". Often, I liked a movie, but they didn't necessarily excel beyond Iron Man 1. I really like the First Avenger, but maybe they had too many laser beams for being set in WWII? I liked Thor, but maybe they didn't develope him being worthy of the hammer quite as much as I wanted? I liked Iron Man 3, but maybe Killian was a little weak as the focal villain? These aren't even really worse than Iron Man, they just don't surpass it.
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also how dare you all not have the same opinions as i do
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