Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: (Arcane)Dustwood

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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://hsreplay.net/replay/jgmgLzND8wG6XvHef8Ku8B

Clearly it was a lack of skill on my part that he had two Tundra Rhino, and then after casting Dire Frenzy immediately drew one.

Whatever, that shit-ass garbage deck got 3 wins which by itself proves I'm the best.

You kept a Witchwood Grizzly on mulligan? A 5 drop? Against hunter?

lol

Please post more hsreplays when you feel like complaining. It gives me the opportunity to laugh at your scrub mistakes.

In addition to your godawful mulligan, you had bad placement on your Turn 7 Jungle Panther.

You also didn't play around 2nd Venomstrike Trap with your attack order on turn 8. You should have attacked the frog with your 5/7 which free's up your 4/2 to trade with the cobra. And I know you are thinknig "but how can I expect him to have 2 of the same trap", but if you are paying attention to where he played his cards from you would have noticed that he played that trap from the far left and it had been there since the first turn along with the other one that he played. So you could assume that it was either a 2nd venomstrike trap or a different trap that had negative synergy with his first venomstrike trap so he didn't play them at the same time.

Your turn 10 play was absurd.

You could have played rockbiter to clear the cobra with your face and then played sated threshadon to put a body on the board that could have tanked a hit from the Rhino and still been alive. You had already seen a deadly shot so you didn't need to play around large removal (even though he was holding the obliterate, but you couldn't know that 100%). Why were you so insistent on getting the 3/8 for 8 mana synergy with the healing rain, especially since by leaving the cobra up you could already see your opponent's answer to it staring you in the face. And anyways at least the threshadon would have left bodies on the board for you to buff with your fungalmancer even if he did clear it with something from hand.

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He didn't win because he pulled a Rhino that he had a 3/19 chance to draw. He won because you played hearthstone very poorly.
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Hell your turn 9 play should have been rockbiter + Witchwood Grizzly as a 3/7 for that matter.

Why do you insist on using your HP so much? On turn 9 and turn 10 were there any hero powers that would have flipped the board for you or decided your course of action for the turn? You weren't going for Spell Power totem for any particular reason. The 1/1 isn't useful. The heal is bad because you are behind on board and the taunt would almost always mitigate exactly 2 damage since you are behind on board so he gets to pick the trades.

Turn 9 should have ended with him having a 3/3 and a 1/1 and no cobra and you having a 3/7 on board.

And then his turn 9 is radically different. He likely uses the obliterate on the 3/7 and he no longer has the mana to play both the rhino and dire frenzy. So instead he plays Highmane and you can play ultrasaur knowing that he's used 2 big removals already and his cobra is dead.
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So basically that replay confirms what we all have thought for a while. He makes bad plays and then blames RNG instead of the results of his misplays

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If anyone has any fun decks to try I'll give them a go.
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That first Ulti arena game he posted was very hard to watch. It'll be nice to post that in his complaint topics on the hearthstone board in the future.
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Man now I wish I had drawn ulti in that HS tournament we did a while back so I could have at least gotten one win :p
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Man I must have opened over 120 Witchwood packs and I didn't get a single Phantom Militia. I got more than enough dust to craft it but feels bad.
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Joelypoely posted...

If anyone has any fun decks

anything that uses dire frenzy, hemet, and deathstalker rexxar is tons of fun

Do you have FD on ignore? He gave a pretty good overview of your misplays and the potential results if you had done things differently

Surprise: when you tell ulti he misplayed and point out his BLATANT misplays, you end up on block

Its almost like he doesnt want to actually discuss anything, he just uses gamefaqs to feed his damaged ego every time he sees the words defeat. You notice how it never posts about good luck? Of course not, even though I watched him play six games where he drew duskbreaker by turn 4 and had perfect answers. One bad game, and his fingers are smashing that keyboard with the no skill nonsense in seconds.
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something something FD is too holier than thou and arrogant and it hurts my feelings when he says things I don't like so of course I ignored him something something.

Nevermind that my dislike for ulti never really blossomed until he brought up personal attacks against me when I was having a rough time (irl) into a mafia game we were both participating in. I still tried to be civil past that, but I eventually learned it wasn't worth the effort to stay on ulti's good side.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

He was trash at dota

Much better than you at dota.

Edit: WC3 dota to clarify, as I've not put any time into dota since wc3.

UltimaterializerX posted...

he was trash at League

Pretty sure I'm the only one of the two of us to finish a season in diamond.

Or past silver, for that matter.

UltimaterializerX posted...

and hes trash at Hearthstone

I haven't played in a few months, but your misplays are obvious enough for a rusty hand like myself to see.

Edit: Oh and I never had to pay anyone to hit legend on my account.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its especially funny when he lectures people on their personal lives given how his own personal life turned out, but I wont go there.

Happily married (1 year in june!) and planning to start a family in the next year or two? Man that is rough. I'd better get my shit together.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...
and hes trash at Hearthstone

I thought it was impossible to be good or bad at hearthstone due to it being entirely luck-based
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Ulti said he's been dealing with RNG card effects since 1993. Assuming he was 15 at that time (he was probably older) Ulti is in his early forties.

How does someone in his 40s act like a child every day of his life and have the audacity to insult someone else about how his personal life turned out.

The only person I've ignored is Full Throttle but I think it's about time we all make a serious effort to block Ulti and clean up this topic. I'll admit that I've poked the bear a few too many times in the past but this has moved beyond ridiculous at this point.
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The mistakes fd pointed out were right. Do you win even if you dont make them? I dont know, like the hunters deck was at a high power level.

Ulti, Im pretty patient But even Im starting to get annoyed
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Honestly, sometimes it's hard to see your own misplays too. Especially in real time. So I don't blame you for not seeing them Ulti. I'm sure I misplay a shit ton without realizing it

For the record I'd have taken Stonehill over Hex too. I don't use drafting aids but I value card generation a lot in arena and you already had removal.

In realtime sure, but it's the fact that he's throwing shade at a perfectly reasonable outside source after the fact, who's going to the trouble of laying out exactly when and how he played wrong, where it stops being tolerable. If ulti really cared he'd take it to heart but instead, he just sticks his head in the sand and goes BLAHBLAHBLAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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I feel like my drunk replies to Ulti last night is what caused all this.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Its especially funny when he lectures people on their personal lives given how his own personal life turned out, but I wont go there. He knows what Im talking about and we can just leave it alone.

Nice edit.

It's hilarious that Ulti thinks this qualifies as being the bigger person or exercising restraint.

Context:

My at-the-time girlfriend and I were having some issues. This was mid to late 2010, we'd been together for around 6 years and we were struggling with issues both as individuals and as a couple. She decided that we needed to break up and get our crap together as individuals if we were going to have a shot together at some point. And that sounds good in theory but you never expect it to actually work so as far as I could be concerned we would be finished whether I liked it or not.

I was particularly crushed at this time and just really upset. I took a bit of time off the board, but I did the typical BlogFAQs as well. I didn't give a whole lot of details except to say that I was going through things, but i also confided more of the details to some of my closer online friends.

Well sometime in 2011 I'm in a mafia game. As far as my personal life was concerned it was still a rough time, but I was gradually getting my act together, and I felt comfortable spending the required time to participate in a board mafia game. During this game ulti and I get into a head to head discussion because we both think the other is scum. I'm pretty sure I wasn't, and he might not have been either, but I felt like I had a reasonable list of reasons to suspect him based on his earlier play in the game.

During the course of our discussion with each other he pulls out a line about me just being 'bitter and pathetic because my girlfriend dumped me' or something along those lines. Now I was still really upset and going through a tough time, but the fact of the matter is that my personal life has no relevant being brought up in a game of mafia, particularly as an attack against me while I'm already feeling vulnerable. It crossed a line with me in a pretty major way, and even though I tried to put that interaction out of consideration while dealing with ulti moving forward he still found new equally abrasive ways to deal with me.

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And the bottom line of this story is that my girlfriend at-the-time and I spent a few years apart working on ourselves and we actually did get back together. We dated for a couple more years, got engaged, got married and are currently planning our family.

So while Ulti thinks he is being nice by not bringing up the shitty thing he did 7 years ago, he doesn't seem to realize that my life isn't nearly in the same state it was back then.

But I've been on and off his ignore list ever since. It seems to alternate between him replying to my posts and him saying "of course FD is on ignore". And granted I have all of his alts on ignore, but that's because his alt-posting really seems to bring out the worst in him.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

He found a way. It was called spamming the F out of my chat box when spectating until I had to boot him for being an annoyance.

Context:

Ulti had asked me to spectate him while he played so I could see his luck first hand. And so with that invitation I, perhaps incorrectly, assumed he wanted me to let him know when he misplayed.

And so at the end of turns where he made obvious mistakes such as playing things in the wrong order to account for random effects, or trading inefficiently I let him know and suggested what he could have done instead. After a game of this he declared that he lost because I was badgering him the whole time despite not telling me during the game to stop.

In fairness to him I did type a lot that game.

But in fairness to me it's because he made a lot of fairly direct misplays.

Edit: And he also did not "boot" me. He complained that I was causing him to lose and I stopped spectating. I may have also apologized but I don't remember so I may have not.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

It crossed a line with me in a pretty major way, and even though I tried to put that interaction out of consideration while dealing with ulti moving forward he still found new equally abrasive ways to deal with me.

This seems to be a pattern if Han's claim in the "assigning political roles to users" topic is anything to go by. It's almost as if Ulti routinely resorts to Ad Hominem attacks when his actual positions are debunked!
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Ulti had asked me to spectate him while he played so I could see his luck first hand. And so with that invitation I, perhaps incorrectly, assumed he wanted me to let him know when he misplayed.

I don't know the rest of what's going on here because I've got Ulti on ignore on the boards, but I have spectated him in-game, and his request is generally to wait until the end of the game to tell him that stuff so he can focus on what is rather than what could have been.
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That much is definitely understandable, I get pretty tilted as well if someone spectating me comments in game about why I did something. I start putting too much pressure on myself to please the person watching rather than just be accepting of my misplays and having fun.
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Well in other news, Ben Brode is leaving Blizzard

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hearthstone/topic/20762317811

Interested to see where Hearthstone goes without him
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Chakki joins blizzard and Ben Brode leaves? There is something awfully suspicious about this.
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Damn, end of an era.
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wow, that's...unexpected. I mean, props to him for doing what he needs to in life, but Ben Brode was very much the face of Hearthstone, and regardless of what some people may have thought of him, I thought he did an amazing job representing the game.
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6-0 with Tess Rogue today! Cubelock matchup is unwinnable, but it has a good chance against a lot of the field. Very RNG heavy of course. Shadowstep on Tess is solid though.
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Woah, I'm genuinely shocked. Ben Brode IS Hearthstone in a sense.
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That's a bummer. He brought a lot of positivity to the game and the community.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

There is nothing unreasonable about hey wait until the end of the game, which FD refused to do multiple times.

Lies.
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Oh fuck that actually hurts. I hope he makes something I'd be interested in. I need Brode in my life.
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I can't remember, is Chakki the one I only ever see play agro at tournaments? If so, god help this game.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

And regardless of what anyone thinks of me personally, no one likes side seat drivers. It makes the actual driver super nervous. Doubly so if the side seat pest is objectively wrong.

lol. What an edit from our Delusion in Chief, Ulti.

I admitted that i wouldn't have spoken if he'd asked me not to, but this one is ridiculous. And why feel the need to expand upon the lie to also imply that the things i was saying about his misplays were wrong.
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If it truly bugs ulti that much if it were true (I don't believe it) then he should just remove FD from his friends list, boom problem solved. If that doesn't happen then surprise, ulti's just bull****ing again.

Really though, I'm all for getting a movement to ignore ulti going, but I don't think it'll happen. And it is well within people's rights to not ignore him.
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screenshot doesn't prove FD wasn't online at the time.

(edited)
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I haven't been online in a few months actually so i assume he did remove me at some point.

Im not exactly sure how that's relevant though. I already know that im in his bad books. Him not being a hypocrite by keeping me on his list doesn't mean he isn't being ridiculous or outright lying about anything else.

Lest we forget he still thinks he played that shaman vs hunter game correctly.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben Brode leaving is some of the best news in my entire life and I am 100% serious. Probably means Ive lived a good life but hey.

wait what

doesn't this prove the exact opposite

unless that was sarcastic
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Went to arena planning on a new run, found I had left a 1-2 rogue so decided to finish it up, proceeded to rattle off 6 straight wins, so that was cool.
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Finally got around to watching Ulti's replay. I will admit that I am much less likely to hand-watch in Arena matches, so the Venomstrike Trap misplay is one I would make, and I'm willing to bet 9/10 of us would make as well. It's strictly a misplay, because it can absolutely be foreseen given how the game played out, but one that is totally forgivable, due to the circumstances behind it.

That Turn 9 is just so fucking bad, though. I draw that Rockbiter weapon and I am singing to the heavens that they blessed me with an answer to the Cobra that's plagued me for multiple turns. Why play the Stormpike Commando, first and foremost? That card's value in Arena doesn't come from his ability to take out 1/1's. It comes from finishing off damaged high-attack minions. It's not like it answers the board situation, either. If the opponent's board was just a Cobra and a 1/1, then I may have forgiven it because the Cobra is the only thing contesting the board. But he had a 3/3 right there to trade instead. I don't know what you were expecting to happen. You had 3 gigantic minions in your hand that you couldn't play because of something you could 100% kill easily with the 2 mana you floated that very same turn.
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