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voltch
04/14/18 4:18:58 PM
#101:


I won't even play the DanMachi game, I just don't like the idea that one of the departments there has taken it upon themselves to decide what western audiences should receive.

Then you end up with shit like Yakuza 3 removing a ton of content.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:23:05 PM
#102:


Man, why are the subs for IBO so bad? I didn't mind that much having to switch off the dub for season 2, but 3 eps in and there's a noticeable error every couple of minutes.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 4:23:30 PM
#103:


there's no point in censoring for a market when the product you're selling is aimed at the people that are buying your product for the very reasons you are censoring them

that's like selling eroge and removing all the sex scenes
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 4:24:24 PM
#104:


LapisLazuli posted...
Man, why are the subs for IBO so bad? I didn't mind that much having to switch off the dub for season 2, but 3 eps in and there's a noticeable error every couple of minutes.

the subs aren't going to be as bad at the last 5 episodes being straight up dumb

you could really see Okada Mari has no idea about Gundams
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voltch
04/14/18 4:25:25 PM
#105:


Censored Sengoku Rance would be weird to play.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:25:35 PM
#106:


GranzonEx posted...
there's no point in censoring for a market when the product you're selling is aimed at the people that are buying your product for the very reasons you are censoring them

that's like selling eroge and removing all the sex scenes


Worked for Fate!
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:28:44 PM
#107:


GranzonEx posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Man, why are the subs for IBO so bad? I didn't mind that much having to switch off the dub for season 2, but 3 eps in and there's a noticeable error every couple of minutes.

the subs aren't going to be as bad at the last 5 episodes being straight up dumb

you could really see Okada Mari has no idea about Gundams


That's what I'm worried about. My Gundam obsessed roommate couldn't care less about stuff like studios and directors so he doesn't get it, but I've felt Okada all over this thing. He finished the last 6 episodes 2 nights ago after putting it off for a while, and his insistence at how "unexpected" everything was in those has me worried, especially for a show that thus far has been built almost entirely on predictability.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 4:29:09 PM
#108:


I'm not playing Fate stay in the kitchen to fuck Saber/Rin/Sakura, it's to read about a super cool shounen battle royale
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:33:43 PM
#109:


Honestly I will never get over how this enormous world renowned multimedia franchise came from an eroge where one girl fingers another so a dude can fuck his magic into her more easily.
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Popcorn_Fairy
04/14/18 4:34:14 PM
#110:


Fate was a mistake.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 4:35:59 PM
#111:


You'll realize Okada Mari is coming when you get to the last ED. Then you'll pretty much know what's in store.

From a Gundam fan perspective I really really hated how the politics and Gundam played out in that last few episodes. It goes against everything we know as Gundam for the sake of it and it comes off as literally dumb. Like a giant brain fart.

Can't wait for you to finish it and disagree lmao.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:40:35 PM
#112:


I've literally only watched G, Uni, and Thunderbolt, so I can't speak much for how it stands as a Gundam fan, lol. Will be interested to see whether it's an awful or amazing trainwreck, though.
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TexasZea
04/14/18 4:45:18 PM
#113:


tazzyboyishere posted...
TexasZea Documentary

this warmed my heart
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:47:21 PM
#114:


Why is Bakugo suddenly a primary character in this?
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 4:49:00 PM
#115:


it's not even an amazing trainwreck like CG because CG never took itself seriously

IBO tries to take itself really seriously and it felt really dumb

CG spoilers, no IBO spoilers, this is mainly because PJ hasn't finished CG

You know CG wasn't serious when Lelouch used his Geass on some random thugs in a back alley and made them do push ups when he was depressed in R2
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 4:51:29 PM
#116:


Aw man I was hoping for Geass.

When you have a trainwreck like Geass it legitimately transcends being one and wraps around to make the show legitimately good. A manufactured trainwreck can be incredible. An accidental one is just tragic and a bunch of people die.
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voltch
04/14/18 4:56:01 PM
#117:


GranzonEx posted...
You'll realize Okada Mari is coming when you get to the last ED. Then you'll pretty much know what's in store.

From a Gundam fan perspective I really really hated how the politics and Gundam played out in that last few episodes. It goes against everything we know as Gundam for the sake of it and it comes off as literally dumb. Like a giant brain fart.

Can't wait for you to finish it and disagree lmao.


Eh, I've seen nearly all the Gundam shows 79 onwards, me and Sytha liked the end result.

The Journey so to speak was the issue as the first half of the 2nd season was rather pointless. Lot of good individual moments, but the connecting pieces just weren't as strong and so it does come off as a trainwreck for the most part, but the what we got at the end of the political maneuvering was good.

Not sure how much you've seen in terms of Gundam series, but even with all of my grips with the pacing and how they handled certain political actions, it's still a mid tier series for me.

Seed Destiny, Turn A, ZZ, CCA, AGE, what I've seen of Reco G are all worse. This was in the same tier as 00/Wing of having a lot of good, but enough glaring flaws to stop it from being in that top tier.
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Tokoyami
04/14/18 5:01:38 PM
#118:


LapisLazuli posted...
Why is Bakugo suddenly a primary character in this?

In HeroAca? He's always been one of the main people, him Deku and Todoroki are the top 3 in the class!
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 5:02:23 PM
#119:


I always get a chuckle in regards to how RecoG has basically been wiped from existence. I've watched 4 different retrospectives about Gundam and Mecha in general over the last two months that specifically have sections about the modern age, and not once was a single shot of or word mentioned about RecoG having even happened.

Tomino has always struck me as the George Lucas of anime.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 5:02:40 PM
#120:


Tokoyami posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Why is Bakugo suddenly a primary character in this?

In HeroAca? He's always been one of the main people, him Deku and Todoroki are the top 3 in the class!


Naw he's here in IBO.

https://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/70042.jpg
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Tokoyami
04/14/18 5:05:11 PM
#121:


Ok yea I was thinking you might have been talking about something else but just in case
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 5:11:24 PM
#122:


voltch posted...
Eh, I've seen nearly all the Gundam shows 79 onwards, me and Sytha liked the end result.

The Journey so to speak was the issue as the first half of the 2nd season was rather pointless. Lot of good individual moments, but the connecting pieces just weren't as strong and so it does come off as a trainwreck for the most part, but the what we got at the end of the political maneuvering was good.

Not sure how much you've seen in terms of Gundam series, but even with all of my grips with the pacing and how they handled certain political actions, it's still a mid tier series for me.

Seed Destiny, Turn A, ZZ, CCA, AGE, what I've seen of Reco G are all worse. This was in the same tier as 00/Wing of having a lot of good, but enough glaring flaws to stop it from being in that top tier.

LTM absolutely DO NOT CLICK THIS SPOILER, go marathon it and then come back to this

My problem with the ending wasn't because it was kill em all Tomino. It was the whole McG plan being dumb. His grand plan was to dig up a 1000 year old Gundam and have everyone follow him because he could pilot it. This at a surface level is a great idea, if the Gundam was some legendary godlike machine with nanomachine regeneration, funnels, mobile armor control/docking. But Gundam Bael was literally just a piece of garbage with two adamantium swords. The people opposing McG, including those old guys he took hostage to try to turn into backing him, laughed at his plan.

Tekkadan following McG due to honor and trying to cash in asap would have logically been sound, like that's a great idea to align with a guy that can pilot the legendary godlike Gundam that ended the Calamity War. Except you realize immediately that the final Gundam on par with Barbatos was just a piece of old tech that McG couldn't even use to full potential. So everyone dies as a result, not because of some tragic event, but because McG is a dumb piece of shit.


I have watched every Gundam show with the exception of those SEED/Destiny movies and extra OVAs. I gave IBO a 8/10 because the first half of S1 was great, and there was a battle in S2 that was drop dead gorgeous animation that should be in a fucking animation museum.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 5:17:32 PM
#123:


Imma try to finish this weekend but save that rant in case I don't.
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voltch
04/14/18 5:33:14 PM
#124:


GranzonEx posted...
voltch posted...
Eh, I've seen nearly all the Gundam shows 79 onwards, me and Sytha liked the end result.

The Journey so to speak was the issue as the first half of the 2nd season was rather pointless. Lot of good individual moments, but the connecting pieces just weren't as strong and so it does come off as a trainwreck for the most part, but the what we got at the end of the political maneuvering was good.

Not sure how much you've seen in terms of Gundam series, but even with all of my grips with the pacing and how they handled certain political actions, it's still a mid tier series for me.

Seed Destiny, Turn A, ZZ, CCA, AGE, what I've seen of Reco G are all worse. This was in the same tier as 00/Wing of having a lot of good, but enough glaring flaws to stop it from being in that top tier.

LTM absolutely DO NOT CLICK THIS SPOILER, go marathon it and then come back to this

My problem with the ending wasn't because it was kill em all Tomino. It was the whole McG plan being dumb. His grand plan was to dig up a 1000 year old Gundam and have everyone follow him because he could pilot it. This at a surface level is a great idea, if the Gundam was some legendary godlike machine with nanomachine regeneration, funnels, mobile armor control/docking. But Gundam Bael was literally just a piece of garbage with two adamantium swords. The people opposing McG, including those old guys he took hostage to try to turn into backing him, laughed at his plan.

Tekkadan following McG due to honor and trying to cash in asap would have logically been sound, like that's a great idea to align with a guy that can pilot the legendary godlike Gundam that ended the Calamity War. Except you realize immediately that the final Gundam on par with Barbatos was just a piece of old tech that McG couldn't even use to full potential. So everyone dies as a result, not because of some tragic event, but because McG is a dumb piece of shit.


I have watched every Gundam show with the exception of those SEED/Destiny movies and extra OVAs. I gave IBO a 8/10 because the first half of S1 was great, and there was a battle in S2 that was drop dead gorgeous animation that should be in a fucking animation museum.



See, McGillis' plan backfiring is one of the few core moments I actually did enjoy. If he had just become another Zechs I would have been mad. Bael being just ok as a mobile suit unit makes perfect sense, as it's just plain outdated by the time the show starts. McG's delusions of grandeur are hinted at early on and when he becomes obstinate about it, you know Tekkadan are fucked. They put their chips on a guy running on anime logic, who wanted to enforce peace by fear. It's a short term vision that would crumble the minute McGillis was out of power.

Rustal showed that even though he's a dick, his reforms were building the foundation for something much longer lasting. He also ended up accomplishing Tekkadan's goal of rights for mars. It's just that Tekkadan themselves had reached a point through bad decision making that you had to wipe them out. They still had a number of survivors by the endgame and got some level of revenge, it just wasn't through a spectable battle.

The show portayed McGillis as a hero just because he was on Tekkadan's side, but as a whole the guy betrayed more allies than Char and for a misguided cause. Him losing was necessary.

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GranzonEx
04/14/18 6:16:34 PM
#125:


voltch posted...
See, McGillis' plan backfiring is one of the few core moments I actually did enjoy. If he had just become another Zechs I would have been mad. Bael being just ok as a mobile suit unit makes perfect sense, as it's just plain outdated by the time the show starts. McG's delusions of grandeur are hinted at early on and when he becomes obstinate about it, you know Tekkadan are f***ed. They put their chips on a guy running on anime logic, who wanted to enforce peace by fear. It's a short term vision that would crumble the minute McGillis was out of power.

Rustal showed that even though he's a dick, his reforms were building the foundation for something much longer lasting. He also ended up accomplishing Tekkadan's goal of rights for mars. It's just that Tekkadan themselves had reached a point through bad decision making that you had to wipe them out. They still had a number of survivors by the endgame and got some level of revenge, it just wasn't through a spectable battle.

The show portayed McGillis as a hero just because he was on Tekkadan's side, but as a whole the guy betrayed more allies than Char and for a misguided cause. Him losing was necessary.

Yea I had no problem with McG losing and Tekkadan losing as a result. It was evident that they stood no chance once Rustal was shown to have an actual fleet and military backing. The IBO universe established that no one Gundam or Mobile Armor could defeat an army. I just wished that the downfall wasn't for a dumb reason, like trusting a delusional guy when it was pretty obvious he was delusional. I rolled my eyes when he explained his plan and thought "here we go another OP ancient Gundam, I bet he's going to get a lot of people killed and ultimately lose because Rustal has the support of the world", but it turned out that none of this happened.

He just loses and Tekkadan died like a bunch of dogs. Tekkadan dying was fitting, considering they were unwanted space waste, but the execution of this grand plan didn't sit well with me. I wouldn't want the end to go any other way, just wished Bael was a true calamity machine and actually wrecked a lot of Rustal's forces before getting destroyed by the snipers or maybe a bunch of excavated Mobile Armors.

I can't believe Okada Mari had us believe any sensible person would go along with McG's plan no matter how desperate they were. It's like a giant brain fart.

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voltch
04/14/18 6:31:16 PM
#126:


GranzonEx posted...
voltch posted...
See, McGillis' plan backfiring is one of the few core moments I actually did enjoy. If he had just become another Zechs I would have been mad. Bael being just ok as a mobile suit unit makes perfect sense, as it's just plain outdated by the time the show starts. McG's delusions of grandeur are hinted at early on and when he becomes obstinate about it, you know Tekkadan are f***ed. They put their chips on a guy running on anime logic, who wanted to enforce peace by fear. It's a short term vision that would crumble the minute McGillis was out of power.

Rustal showed that even though he's a dick, his reforms were building the foundation for something much longer lasting. He also ended up accomplishing Tekkadan's goal of rights for mars. It's just that Tekkadan themselves had reached a point through bad decision making that you had to wipe them out. They still had a number of survivors by the endgame and got some level of revenge, it just wasn't through a spectable battle.

The show portayed McGillis as a hero just because he was on Tekkadan's side, but as a whole the guy betrayed more allies than Char and for a misguided cause. Him losing was necessary.

Yea I had no problem with McG losing and Tekkadan losing as a result. It was evident that they stood no chance once Rustal was shown to have an actual fleet and military backing. The IBO universe established that no one Gundam or Mobile Armor could defeat an army. I just wished that the downfall wasn't for a dumb reason, like trusting a delusional guy when it was pretty obvious he was delusional. I rolled my eyes when he explained his plan and thought "here we go another OP ancient Gundam, I bet he's going to get a lot of people killed and ultimately lose because Rustal has the support of the world", but it turned out that none of this happened.

He just loses and Tekkadan died like a bunch of dogs. Tekkadan dying was fitting, considering they were unwanted space waste, but the execution of this grand plan didn't sit well with me. I wouldn't want the end to go any other way, just wished Bael was a true calamity machine and actually wrecked a lot of Rustal's forces before getting destroyed by the snipers or maybe a bunch of excavated Mobile Armors.

I can't believe Okada Mari had us believe any sensible person would go along with McG's plan no matter how desperate they were. It's like a giant brain fart.


They sided with McG because his ideals lined up closest with Orga's and because they themselves were very naive. Through most of season 1 they run on the concept of strength is might and a lot of their plans lived or died by Mikazuki's abilities. Naze was the guy who could change the dynamic, because he was a far more politically savvy guy who didn't run on just ideals. However, they got rid of him in a rather dumb way, but had he stuck around he would have just told Orga to stop being dumb. So they kinda put themselves in a corner with him being around. Orga saw the power of the Barbatos first hand so him being seduced by McG's dumb plan sort of makes sense.

We kinda see throughout the show that Orga is charismatic and will get people to follow him, his decisionmaking is the problem because he can't handle the stronger politicians. Once you cut off all of his good support then he was fucked. Heck losing Biscuit really screwed them over, because he's another voice that would have gotten them to back off siding with McG.

Had this been a show like Code Geass or Seed or any other mecha show featuring a single overpowered unit, then yeah support him. Removing beam weapons was kind of a giveaway that you wouldn't be able to wave clear armies though. In fact, this show completely shits on the idea of a chosen one. No Newtypes or any of that bullshit.

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GranzonEx
04/14/18 6:48:12 PM
#127:


voltch posted...
They sided with McG because his ideals lined up closest with Orga's and because they themselves were very naive. Through most of season 1 they run on the concept of strength is might and a lot of their plans lived or died by Mikazuki's abilities. Naze was the guy who could change the dynamic, because he was a far more politically savvy guy who didn't run on just ideals. However, they got rid of him in a rather dumb way, but had he stuck around he would have just told Orga to stop being dumb. So they kinda put themselves in a corner with him being around. Orga saw the power of the Barbatos first hand so him being seduced by McG's dumb plan sort of makes sense.

We kinda see throughout the show that Orga is charismatic and will get people to follow him, his decisionmaking is the problem because he can't handle the stronger politicians. Once you cut off all of his good support then he was f***ed. Heck losing Biscuit really screwed them over, because he's another voice that would have gotten them to back off siding with McG.

Had this been a show like Code Geass or Seed or any other mecha show featuring a single overpowered unit, then yeah support him. Removing beam weapons was kind of a giveaway that you wouldn't be able to wave clear armies though. In fact, this show completely s***s on the idea of a chosen one. No Newtypes or any of that bulls***.


Removing beam weapons was a huge giveaway, but I was in the mindset of Turn A Gundam which also dealt with a legendary Gundam that brought about the current situation. I seriously thought nanomachines and a way to control Mobile Armors was a feature from older Gundams because I don't really see how they could have beaten armies of Mobile Armor with just melee weapons. Kinda inconsistent world building if you ask me! Even though I didn't like Turn A Gundam as a "Gundam" show I respected that the world building was consistent. You never see Turn A do crazy things but there were hints of its potential and they showed crazy stuff like self regeneration to give you an idea of the scope of power of a "legendary" Gundam.

And yea Orga crumbled magnificently after Biscuit died and he realized his responsibility as the leader. Naze should have never died though >_> was really dumb way of taking him away. I was also kinda frustrated that Kudelia was relegated to doing nothing after they propped her up as this war maiden of hope, like Jeanne. I completely had no problem with the ending, it was bittersweet. The reality of it was very powerful, you can't change the world by force to fit yourself into it, you have to work within the confines of the system and bring change that way.

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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 6:52:53 PM
#128:


That last page of this week's HeroAca may be the coolest Deku as ever looked.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:00:08 PM
#129:


Thanks a lot voltch, that was a therapeutic exchange! Not too often do I run into another man of Gundam that can keep up a conversation about the politics and technology of the Gundamverse lol.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:07:44 PM
#130:


Yeah but which Gundam has the best super??

I like that there Kira because he has all the laserrrrrrrrs.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:15:07 PM
#131:


LapisLazuli posted...
Yeah but which Gundam has the best super??

I like that there Kira because he has all the laserrrrrrrrs.

I think I'm the only person on the western internet that likes SEED/Destiny

I came to the realization that each Gundam show was just a retelling and recycling of the original Tomino trilogy's tropes. After that I accepted the politics and tropes for what they were and couldn't bring myself to hate any Gundam show that didn't push the envelop. There were exceptions that I disliked, AGE/G-Wreck, but overall I love everything about Gundams.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:18:00 PM
#132:


GranzonEx posted...
I think I'm the only person on the western internet that likes SEED/Destiny


No way, SEED is 100% the SAO of Gundam.
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Psycho_Kenshin
04/14/18 7:19:51 PM
#133:


Love me some Tomino! That's still my fav Gundam stuff, in general some of my fav space opera stories, especially the movie trilogy version of 0079, and the full Zeta series.

On the Code Geass references, I just last week finished Code Geass R2 with a friend, a bit behind on watching that show, was a very very entertaining show. I liked it, and by the end I was really invested despite it's ridiculousness and over-the-top cliches and twists etc, good times.

For this upcoming season, FLCL, Lupin, and Full Metal Panic yessir. And I'll give some totally new/unrelated stuff a try as well.
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/14/18 7:21:31 PM
#134:


LapisLazuli posted...
That last page of this week's HeroAca may be the coolest Deku as ever looked.


ahem

2y8SWnr
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:22:51 PM
#135:


LapisLazuli posted...
GranzonEx posted...
I think I'm the only person on the western internet that likes SEED/Destiny


No way, SEED is 100% the SAO of Gundam.

I don't know what that means! To me the people that hate SEED are the guys like Kenshin (not saying him specifically) here that are just staunch Tomino era Gundam fans. So when a retelling of the original trilogy is just that, a retelling, they get angry that a new generation dare enjoy Gundam that's not Tomino Gundam.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:23:23 PM
#136:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
That last page of this week's HeroAca may be the coolest Deku as ever looked.


ahem

2y8SWnr


Plz

Don't

Just imagine if he kept that
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/14/18 7:24:38 PM
#137:


I'm actually in the minority that really like it! I understand why it had to go (well he keeps it down on the back!) but I dunno, the way it highlights his eyes is really neat. And it looks comfy to me!
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voltch
04/14/18 7:25:50 PM
#138:


For UC related stuff, Origin and Stardust Memory are just as good if not better than the Tomino stuff.

War of the Pocket and 08th really change up the formula, though I didn't like either much, but 08th at least had a fun battle near the end.

Man, a lot of Gundam shows have really bad main character Mobile Suit pilots.
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Popcorn_Fairy
04/14/18 7:26:38 PM
#139:


The only Gundam I've sat through was G Gundam. G Gundam is hype.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:28:51 PM
#140:


GranzonEx posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
GranzonEx posted...
I think I'm the only person on the western internet that likes SEED/Destiny


No way, SEED is 100% the SAO of Gundam.

I don't know what that means! To me the people that hate SEED are the guys like Kenshin (not saying him specifically) here that are just staunch Tomino era Gundam fans. So when a retelling of the original trilogy is just that, a retelling, they get angry that a new generation dare enjoy Gundam that's not Tomino Gundam.


I think Tomino is an old cook who doesn't know what he made and has his team to thank for his stuff turning out good more than himself (thus the Lucas comparison, one could argue that the Gundam movie Trilogy vs the original series is like the Star Wars Special Editions but in reverse), so no love from me here. Reconguista shows what a Tomino not being reigned in actually is.

I just think SEED was dumb as hell, but it was and is super popular. Like, they literally reaired SEED in HD on Japanese television. That's not a thing! SEED got Kai'd minus the content editing. Even over here, my roomie who goes to build club every weeks says about half of the 20 or so people are building SEED gunpla.

I did like the blonde chick, though.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:33:46 PM
#141:


voltch posted...
For UC related stuff, Origin and Stardust Memory are just as good if not better than the Tomino stuff.

War of the Pocket and 08th really change up the formula, though I didn't like either much, but 08th at least had a fun battle near the end.

Man, a lot of Gundam shows have really bad main character Mobile Suit pilots.

Origin has some really cool tactical battles but I feel the pacing is really bad in some spots, especially when dealing with Sayla

Stardust Memory is amazing, great battles and emotions all around

War in the Pocket 0080 and 8th MS had great ending battles, for different reasons! 8th MS had some amazing tactical battles too.

I think a lot of Gundam pilots in the 90s were bad. Like straight up they would suck if not for their Gundams.
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Psycho_Kenshin
04/14/18 7:36:55 PM
#142:


I don't really go for judging somebody just based on recent work and whatnot. Like an author or band that puts out later stuff you don't dig as much. Not to say other people didn't help, but I give him a lot of credit. Doing Zeta Gundam showed to me he wasn't a lucky one trick kind of guy.

Plus he's a very different guy these days, to compare him to Anno for example, apparently Tomino was very depressed, so young depressed Tomino versus older optimistic Tomino, they made different stuff. Turn A Gundam for example, though what I saw of that was interesting.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:41:33 PM
#143:


Didn't he also do ZZ, tho
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:41:46 PM
#144:


LapisLazuli posted...
GranzonEx posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
GranzonEx posted...
I think I'm the only person on the western internet that likes SEED/Destiny


No way, SEED is 100% the SAO of Gundam.

I don't know what that means! To me the people that hate SEED are the guys like Kenshin (not saying him specifically) here that are just staunch Tomino era Gundam fans. So when a retelling of the original trilogy is just that, a retelling, they get angry that a new generation dare enjoy Gundam that's not Tomino Gundam.


I think Tomino is an old cook who doesn't know what he made and has his team to thank for his stuff turning out good more than himself (thus the Lucas comparison, one could argue that the Gundam movie Trilogy vs the original series is like the Star Wars Special Editions but in reverse), so no love from me here. Reconguista shows what a Tomino not being reigned in actually is.

I just think SEED was dumb as hell, but it was and is super popular. Like, they literally reaired SEED in HD on Japanese television. That's not a thing! SEED got Kai'd minus the content editing. Even over here, my roomie who goes to build club every weeks says about half of the 20 or so people are building SEED gunpla.

I did like the blonde chick, though.

Let's talk G-Wreck. I don't think you finished it or have the will to finish it. But it was shit to me. Let me tell you how 24 of 26 episodes turned out.

1. MC and GF arguing
2. Alert enemy spotted!
3. Deploy the Gundams!
4. New experimental mobile suit of the week is here piloted by the Char Clone
5. MC and GF beat mobile suit of the week
6. Char Clone retreats swearing vengeance
7. MC and GF look off in the distance feeling great about winning the battle

The final battle the Char Clone swears will kill the MC to prove the MC is not the special chosen pilot of the Gundam. MC soundly beats Char Clone. Char Clone ejects cockpit to safety, and shrugs like he didn't just swear to murder the MC because of his jealous rage. And the show ends.
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:44:33 PM
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Tomino currently is some right wing dick that uses his anime platform as a way to make a political statement, so that's why G-wreck was a shitshow. Everything that happened in G-wreck went over our heads because it was some meta propaganda piece that Tomino wanted to drill into the new generation of Gundam fans.
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Psycho_Kenshin
04/14/18 7:44:43 PM
#146:


LapisLazuli posted...
Didn't he also do ZZ, tho


You got me there. :D What a theme song though. And by no means am I defending the guy on political views or anything, I just love some of the stuff he made back in the day, and he seemed like a pretty influential guy.

Leiji Matsumoto is up there too for space opera. Arcadia of My Youth is one epic movie.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:45:38 PM
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The only thing worthwhile in Reconguista was the art design (not the art direction, that show shits all over Kenichi Yoshida. Guy can't catch a break post E7, all his art is for shit), and the "I'm a genius! OH NO!" Meme, which I guarantee almost nobody who uses it knows the source of.
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:46:50 PM
#148:


Psycho_Kenshin posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Didn't he also do ZZ, tho


You got me there. :D What a theme song though. And by no means am I defending the guy on political views or anything, I just love some of the stuff he made back in the day, and he seemed like a pretty influential guy.


THIS IS NOT ANIME

THIS IS REAAAAAAAAAAL
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GranzonEx
04/14/18 7:51:10 PM
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The only Matsumoto stuff I saw was Macross and Do you remember love
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LapisLazuli
04/14/18 7:52:18 PM
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That show literally had a scene where the pilot is trying to take a shit in the gundam with two girls in the cockpit.

And that's like the drama towards the end.

He's gotta take a shit.

So he shits in the gundam.

Which is maybe metaphorical for Tomino's current impact on the franchise??

Garnidelia does the OP for that show and he shits in the Gundam.
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