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mrduckbear 04/06/18 1:19:21 AM #1:	Do you think the 10-2 decision to sentence to him to Death should have been Upheld? - Results (5 votes) Yes 80% (4 votes) 4 No 20% (1 votes) 1 52 y/o Joseph Smith, the Sick Florida Freak who was on Death Row has now ESCAPED DEATH after he was sentenced to Death in 2006 but now that has been overruled by a Supreme Court because of a "loophole" He kidnapped, raped and murdered an 11 y/o girl that was caught on surveillance video. He was 37 when he murdered 11 y/o Carlie Brucia and was sentenced to death by a jury vote of 10-2..but because the decision wasn't a "unanimous" decision as now it needs unanimous vote, he will face a new trial where he will get life or death!! Despite the damning evidence showing him on camera grabbing the pre-teen girl by the arm and dragging her away to her death, 2 jurors voted AGAINST death Video shows the time of abduction on Feb 1, 2004 approaching the young girl at an isolated area in a parking lot and taking her away by the wrist...day's later, her body was found on the grounds of Central Church of Christ He was arrested and CONFESSED to the crime before the body was found as it was revealed he was an unemployed auto mechanic and a convicted drug abuser with a long record. He has tried to appeal the sentence repeatedly but failed..until the Supreme Court ruled that an unanimous jury recommendation for death is required Carlie's mom, Susan died exactly one year ago today who led a troubled life after her daughter's death and died of an overdose...She called him an "animal" and expressed how happy she was that he was given the death penalty. Carlie's father, Joe, who now lives in New York said his family was robbed of justice who said the system is made for attorneys as he call this an outrage. A New Trial will now be set with new jurors where an unanimous decision must be made.. Do you think the decision to put him to Death should have been Upheld?? Moments before Carlie was murdered - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC932C00000578-5583745-image-a-13_1522968050610.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC926000000578-5583745-image-a-3_1522967687355.jpg Joseph - Murderer http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC926A00000578-5583745-image-a-2_1522967570178.jpg Carlie - Deceased http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/06/01/4ADC934300000578-5583745-Brucia_was_11_years_old_when_Smith_tracked_her_to_an_isolated_pa-a-1_1522976075502.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC934F00000578-5583745-image-a-18_1522968160873.jpg Joe - Carlie's Dad http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/06/04/4ADC92BB00000578-5583745-image-a-94_1522985260102.jpg --- Every time a Gamefaqs User PROVES they Stepped on a Bug, i will STOP Posting for 24 Hours...Beware, this is NOT a good thing to do!! <cite>mrduckbear posted [p:899143069] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote> Do you think the 10-2 decision to sentence to him to Death should have been Upheld? - Results (5 votes) Yes 80% (4 votes) 4 No 20% (1 votes) 1 52 y/o Joseph Smith, the Sick Florida Freak who was on Death Row has now ESCAPED DEATH after he was sentenced to Death in 2006 but now that has been overruled by a Supreme Court because of a "loophole" He kidnapped, raped and murdered an 11 y/o girl that was caught on surveillance video. He was 37 when he murdered 11 y/o Carlie Brucia and was sentenced to death by a jury vote of 10-2..but because the decision wasn't a "unanimous" decision as now it needs unanimous vote, he will face a new trial where he will get life or death!! Despite the damning evidence showing him on camera grabbing the pre-teen girl by the arm and dragging her away to her death, 2 jurors voted AGAINST death Video shows the time of abduction on Feb 1, 2004 approaching the young girl at an isolated area in a parking lot and taking her away by the wrist...day's later, her body was found on the grounds of Central Church of Christ He was arrested and CONFESSED to the crime before the body was found as it was revealed he was an unemployed auto mechanic and a convicted drug abuser with a long record. He has tried to appeal the sentence repeatedly but failed..until the Supreme Court ruled that an unanimous jury recommendation for death is required Carlie's mom, Susan died exactly one year ago today who led a troubled life after her daughter's death and died of an overdose...She called him an "animal" and expressed how happy she was that he was given the death penalty. Carlie's father, Joe, who now lives in New York said his family was robbed of justice who said the system is made for attorneys as he call this an outrage. A New Trial will now be set with new jurors where an unanimous decision must be made.. Do you think the decision to put him to Death should have been Upheld?? Moments before Carlie was murdered - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC932C00000578-5583745-image-a-13_1522968050610.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC926000000578-5583745-image-a-3_1522967687355.jpg Joseph - Murderer http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC926A00000578-5583745-image-a-2_1522967570178.jpg Carlie - Deceased http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/06/01/4ADC934300000578-5583745-Brucia_was_11_years_old_when_Smith_tracked_her_to_an_isolated_pa-a-1_1522976075502.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/23/4ADC934F00000578-5583745-image-a-18_1522968160873.jpg Joe - Carlie's Dad http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/06/04/4ADC92BB00000578-5583745-image-a-94_1522985260102.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/06/18 1:21:39 AM #2:	While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:899143158] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 04/06/18 1:23:12 AM #3:	He'll suffer more in prison. --- [ S p e e d b o o s t ] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:899143218] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>He'll suffer more in prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeeVees 04/06/18 1:25:49 AM #4:	He should be crucified. --- Rudy sucks <cite>VeeVees posted [p:899143298] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>He should be crucified.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xjayguyx 04/06/18 1:30:29 AM #5:	Surprised he's still alive in prison.. I'd finish him off if I was in the slammer. What a disgusting waste of oxygen. Death penalty isn't good enough for trash like this.. death by torture... For like weeks or months. Maybe trash will think twice if they know they face this. <cite>xjayguyx posted [p:899143442] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>Surprised he's still alive in prison.. I'd finish him off if I was in the slammer. What a disgusting waste of oxygen. Death penalty isn't good enough for trash like this.. death by torture... For like weeks or months. Maybe trash will think twice if they know they face this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/06/18 1:51:10 AM #6:	It's been scientifically proven that the death penalty actually increases the net amount of crime in an area. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:899144092] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>It's been scientifically proven that the death penalty actually increases the net amount of crime in an area.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFalseDeity 04/06/18 1:54:23 AM #7:	12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient. --- http://psnprofiles.com/TheFalseDeity Currently playing - Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen <cite>TheFalseDeity posted [p:899144187] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 04/06/18 1:55:47 AM #8:	Lokarin posted... It's been scientifically proven that the death penalty actually increases the net amount of crime in an area. You sure its not that places with more crime get fed up and make laws supporting the death penalty? --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:899144225] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>It's been scientifically proven that the death penalty actually increases the net amount of crime in an area.</quote> You sure its not that places with more crime get fed up and make laws supporting the death penalty?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/06/18 3:41:58 AM #9:	Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him. How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime? --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:899146732] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him.</quote> How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 04/06/18 5:34:54 AM #10:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him. How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime? This, any murder or rape of a child should be automatically death penalty worthy. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:899148747] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him.</quote> How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime?</quote> This, any murder or rape of a child should be automatically death penalty worthy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 04/06/18 5:59:01 AM #11:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPfZq7Qt6Z0" data-time=" --- Official King of Black People http://i.imgur.com/Zk3VS3o.jpg http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:899149175] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPfZq7Qt6Z0" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HagenEx 04/06/18 6:28:51 AM #12:	He's only alive because he's in 'Murica and not some prison in South America. Rapists are killed in the first couple of days whenever they enter prison over here in Venezuela. Though first they insert several objects up their rectums and then play Football (Actual football, not 'Murican Handegg) with the head. :D --- The side of the fence that we climb determines who's afraid <cite>HagenEx posted [p:899149713] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>He's only alive because he's in 'Murica and not some prison in South America. Rapists are killed in the first couple of days whenever they enter prison over here in Venezuela. Though first they insert several objects up their rectums and then play Football (Actual football, not 'Murican Handegg) with the head. :D</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 04/06/18 6:40:55 AM #13:	TheFalseDeity posted... 12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient. Yep. When there is indisputable evidence in a crime like that. The penalty should be administered the day after the verdict. Dead and gone. --- Still waters run deep. C Walk <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:899149963] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient.</quote> Yep. When there is indisputable evidence in a crime like that. The penalty should be administered the day after the verdict. Dead and gone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 04/06/18 11:37:32 AM #14:	HagenEx posted... He's only alive because he's in 'Murica and not some prison in South America. Rapists are killed in the first couple of days whenever they enter prison over here in Venezuela. Though first they insert several objects up their rectums and then play Football (Actual football, not 'Murican Handegg) with the head. :D Venezuela has laws? --- "Most of the time, I have a whole lot more sperm inside me" - Adjl <cite>Smarkil posted [p:899159922] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>HagenEx posted...</cite> <quote>He's only alive because he's in 'Murica and not some prison in South America. Rapists are killed in the first couple of days whenever they enter prison over here in Venezuela. Though first they insert several objects up their rectums and then play Football (Actual football, not 'Murican Handegg) with the head. :D</quote> Venezuela has laws?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 04/06/18 11:43:01 AM #15:	OneTimeBen posted... TheFalseDeity posted... 12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient. Yep. When there is indisputable evidence in a crime like that. The penalty should be administered the day after the verdict. Dead and gone. Yeap. Wasting the courts time and drawing it out for 20+ years when there is indisputable evidence is just ridiculous. <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:899160185] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient.</quote> Yep. When there is indisputable evidence in a crime like that. The penalty should be administered the day after the verdict. Dead and gone.</quote> Yeap. Wasting the courts time and drawing it out for 20+ years when there is indisputable evidence is just ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HagenEx 04/06/18 11:54:56 AM #16:	Smarkil posted... HagenEx posted... He's only alive because he's in 'Murica and not some prison in South America. Rapists are killed in the first couple of days whenever they enter prison over here in Venezuela. Though first they insert several objects up their rectums and then play Football (Actual football, not 'Murican Handegg) with the head. :D Venezuela has laws? Inside prisons, they do. Rapists and guys that kill their mothers are instantly murdered. Works wonders. --- The side of the fence that we climb determines who's afraid <cite>HagenEx posted [p:899160796] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HagenEx posted...</cite> <quote>He's only alive because he's in 'Murica and not some prison in South America. Rapists are killed in the first couple of days whenever they enter prison over here in Venezuela. Though first they insert several objects up their rectums and then play Football (Actual football, not 'Murican Handegg) with the head. :D</quote> Venezuela has laws?</quote> Inside prisons, they do. Rapists and guys that kill their mothers are instantly murdered. Works wonders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 04/06/18 12:03:47 PM #17:	What a weird thing to be proud of. Also it clearly doesnt work much since people are still raping and murdering there. --- Official King of Black People http://i.imgur.com/Zk3VS3o.jpg http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:899161307] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>What a weird thing to be proud of. Also it clearly doesnt work much since people are still raping and murdering there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 04/06/18 12:04:24 PM #18:	You can't kill Florida Man, he's immortal. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png <cite>Zareth posted [p:899161340] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>You can't kill Florida Man, he's immortal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 04/06/18 12:10:41 PM #19:	Guide posted... He'll suffer more in prison. This, really. Honestly, the death penalty is a pretty humane thing to do for those facing life in prison. <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:899161688] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>He'll suffer more in prison.</quote> This, really. Honestly, the death penalty is a pretty humane thing to do for those facing life in prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JTekashiro 04/06/18 12:37:53 PM #20:	In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution! <cite>JTekashiro posted [p:899163120] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 04/06/18 12:40:45 PM #21:	JTekashiro posted... In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution! Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, and jesus never said he came to bring peace, but instead a sword. Passivistic christcucks are what ruined the institution of christianity in the west. People forgot what turn the other cheek actually means. Not that im religious, but you cant claim to form an accurate opinion on why something is wrong without studying it first. That goes to all of you on this board. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:899163279] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>JTekashiro posted...</cite> <quote>In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution!</quote> Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, and jesus never said he came to bring peace, but instead a sword. Passivistic christcucks are what ruined the institution of christianity in the west. People forgot what turn the other cheek actually means. Not that im religious, but you cant claim to form an accurate opinion on why something is wrong without studying it first. That goes to all of you on this board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 04/06/18 12:50:45 PM #22:	Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. Interesting --- "I properly understand when a woman wants my dick and I can do whatever I want to them, and then do it." OmegaTomHank <cite>Cacciato posted [p:899163833] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime.</quote> Interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FellWolf 04/06/18 1:05:03 PM #23:	Sad for the girl :( --- http://i.imgur.com/QzUHUGL.gif http://i.imgur.com/IJPGRfT.jpg WORK IT! ARF ARF ARF! <cite>FellWolf posted [p:899164580] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>Sad for the girl :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 04/06/18 1:07:56 PM #24:	Cacciato posted... Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. Interesting Most people on 261 also thinks the guy should get off. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:899164721] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cacciato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime.</quote> Interesting</quote> Most people on 261 also thinks the guy should get off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/06/18 1:33:42 PM #25:	GanglyKhan posted... Guide posted... He'll suffer more in prison. This, really. Honestly, the death penalty is a pretty humane thing to do for those facing life in prison. The death penalty isn't about them, it's about us not wanting to share the planet with them any more. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:899166177] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>GanglyKhan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>He'll suffer more in prison.</quote> This, really. Honestly, the death penalty is a pretty humane thing to do for those facing life in prison.</quote> The death penalty isn't about them, it's about us not wanting to share the planet with them any more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/06/18 1:56:04 PM #26:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him. How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime? Because we live in a civilized society and not some third-world shithole? OneTimeBen posted... TheFalseDeity posted... 12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient. Yep. When there is indisputable evidence in a crime like that. The penalty should be administered the day after the verdict. Dead and gone. Considering that the system already sometimes executes innocent men, not sure why you'd want there to be less due process, fewer appeals, etc. bulbinking posted... Cacciato posted... Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. Interesting Most people on 261 also thinks the guy should get off. Also spending decades in prison is hardly "getting off" --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:899167276] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him.</quote> How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime?</quote> Because we live in a civilized society and not some third-world shithole? <cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFalseDeity posted...</cite> <quote>12 years later and hes still alive. The death penalty sure is efficient.</quote> Yep. When there is indisputable evidence in a crime like that. The penalty should be administered the day after the verdict. Dead and gone.</quote> Considering that the system already sometimes executes innocent men, not sure why you'd want there to be less due process, fewer appeals, etc. <cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cacciato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime.</quote> Interesting</quote> Most people on 261 also thinks the guy should get off.</quote> Also spending decades in prison is hardly "getting off"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/06/18 5:01:54 PM #27:	Already too late to save any money from not giving out the death penalty. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:899176931] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>Already too late to save any money from not giving out the death penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 04/06/18 5:14:07 PM #28:	Revelation34 posted... Already too late to save any money from not giving out the death penalty. So 0 money is now being spent to keep this man alive? A bullet costs .35 cents. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:899177523] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Already too late to save any money from not giving out the death penalty.</quote> So 0 money is now being spent to keep this man alive? A bullet costs .35 cents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/06/18 5:49:02 PM #29:	bulbinking posted... Revelation34 posted... Already too late to save any money from not giving out the death penalty. So 0 money is now being spent to keep this man alive? A bullet costs .35 cents. The appeals already happened which is why the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:899179334] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Already too late to save any money from not giving out the death penalty.</quote> So 0 money is now being spent to keep this man alive? A bullet costs .35 cents.</quote> The appeals already happened which is why the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/06/18 5:53:09 PM #30:	bulbinking posted... Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, Exodus 20:13 --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:899179562] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty,</quote> Exodus 20:13</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sahuagin 04/06/18 10:50:58 PM #31:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him. How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime? yes, thank you adjl posted... bulbinking posted... Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, Exodus 20:13 that's a commandment to not commit murder (unjust killing), not a blanket statement against any kind of killing ever. it's maybe vaguely written, as so much of that book is, but the fact that the penalty for not following the "don't kill" rule is death seems to suggest it doesn't cover that. --- *The truth basks in scrutiny.* http://i.imgur.com/GMouTGs.jpg http://projecteuler.net/profile/Sahuagin.png <cite>Sahuagin posted [p:899194841] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While it's a horrible crime, it's not a death penalty crime. When I heard "escaped his death," I more assumed some guys in prison tried to kill him.</quote> How is kidnap, rape and murder of a child not a death penalty crime?</quote> yes, thank you <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty,</quote> Exodus 20:13</quote> that's a commandment to not commit murder (unjust killing), not a blanket statement against any kind of killing ever. it's maybe vaguely written, as so much of that book is, but the fact that the penalty for not following the "don't kill" rule is death seems to suggest it doesn't cover that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 04/06/18 10:52:48 PM #32:	Guide posted... He'll suffer more in prison. Agreed. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:899194922] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>He'll suffer more in prison.</quote> Agreed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/06/18 11:17:14 PM #33:	Sahuagin posted... that's a commandment to not commit murder (unjust killing), not a blanket statement against any kind of killing ever. "Thou shalt not kill" is a pretty solid blanket statement. Granted, the translation varies from version to version, and in some versions it does specify murder. Really, though, what is the death penalty if not legalized murder? The government gets to kill the person without legal consequence because the government said it's okay. Sahuagin posted... but the fact that the penalty for not following the "don't kill" rule is death seems to suggest it doesn't cover that. A death penalty certainly isn't in Exodus 20. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:899196277] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sahuagin posted...</cite> <quote>that's a commandment to not commit murder (unjust killing), not a blanket statement against any kind of killing ever.</quote> "Thou shalt not kill" is a pretty solid blanket statement. Granted, the translation varies from version to version, and in some versions it does specify murder. Really, though, what is the death penalty if not legalized murder? The government gets to kill the person without legal consequence because the government said it's okay. <cite>Sahuagin posted...</cite> <quote>but the fact that the penalty for not following the "don't kill" rule is death seems to suggest it doesn't cover that.</quote> A death penalty certainly isn't in Exodus 20.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sahuagin 04/06/18 11:36:37 PM #34:	adjl posted... what is the death penalty if not legalized murder murder is unjust killing. the death penalty is just killing. (at least hypothetically. the point is that "legalized murder" is a contradiction. however any particular law that says to kill someone may or may not be moral/ethical.) adjl posted... Granted, the translation varies from version to version, and in some versions it does specify murder. because the original hebrew is a primitive language where you don't have dozens of choices of synonyms to use to specify precisely what you mean, rather you use the same word to mean dozens of different things. adjl posted... A death penalty certainly isn't in Exodus 20. depends what "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation" means, but otherwise do you really need me to count all the times there's a death penalty in Exodus? --- *The truth basks in scrutiny.* http://i.imgur.com/GMouTGs.jpg http://projecteuler.net/profile/Sahuagin.png <cite>Sahuagin posted [p:899197252] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>what is the death penalty if not legalized murder</quote> murder is unjust killing. the death penalty is just killing. (at least hypothetically. the point is that "legalized murder" is a contradiction. however any particular law that says to kill someone may or may not be moral/ethical.) <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Granted, the translation varies from version to version, and in some versions it does specify murder. </quote> because the original hebrew is a primitive language where you don't have dozens of choices of synonyms to use to specify precisely what you mean, rather you use the same word to mean dozens of different things. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>A death penalty certainly isn't in Exodus 20.</quote> depends what "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation" means, but otherwise do you really need me to count all the times there's a death penalty in Exodus?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 04/07/18 4:30:32 AM #35:	adjl posted... bulbinking posted... Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, Exodus 20:13 Oh look a lib pretending to have read the bible. Its like a christian pretending to have read the koran http://kgov.com/god-and-death-penalty-what-does-the-bible-say-about-capital-punishment Thats an incorrect translation. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:899206337] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty,</quote> Exodus 20:13</quote> Oh look a lib pretending to have read the bible. Its like a christian pretending to have read the koran http://kgov.com/god-and-death-penalty-what-does-the-bible-say-about-capital-punishment Thats an incorrect translation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/07/18 5:48:05 AM #36:	Zeus posted... Because we live in a civilized society and not some third-world shithole? So we're too civilised to kill? Best stop the abattoir. A civilized society exiles uncivilized messes, and nobody else will take them so we have to put them down. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:899207561] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Because we live in a civilized society and not some third-world shithole? </quote> So we're too civilised to kill? Best stop the abattoir. A civilized society exiles uncivilized messes, and nobody else will take them so we have to put them down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/07/18 6:51:15 AM #37:	Zeus posted... Considering that the system already sometimes executes innocent men, not sure why you'd want there to be less due process, fewer appeals, etc. Because after the first one they don't bring anything new to the table. Subsequent appeals waste a lot of money. You either have to execute them when you're sure enough they did it directly after court, or have them serve a life sentence and not bother with the unnecessary cost of inappropriate appeals. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:899208619] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Considering that the system already sometimes executes innocent men, not sure why you'd want there to be less due process, fewer appeals, etc. </quote> Because after the first one they don't bring anything new to the table. Subsequent appeals waste a lot of money. You either have to execute them when you're sure enough they did it directly after court, or have them serve a life sentence and not bother with the unnecessary cost of inappropriate appeals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JTekashiro 04/07/18 4:23:18 PM #38:	bulbinking posted... JTekashiro posted... In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution! Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, and jesus never said he came to bring peace, but instead a sword. Passivistic christcucks are what ruined the institution of christianity in the west. People forgot what turn the other cheek actually means. Not that im religious, but you cant claim to form an accurate opinion on why something is wrong without studying it first. That goes to all of you on this board. You heavily studied Christianity but you just skimmed over the ten commandments. Makes sense. <cite>JTekashiro posted [p:899229461] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JTekashiro posted...</cite> <quote>In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution!</quote> Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, and jesus never said he came to bring peace, but instead a sword. Passivistic christcucks are what ruined the institution of christianity in the west. People forgot what turn the other cheek actually means. Not that im religious, but you cant claim to form an accurate opinion on why something is wrong without studying it first. That goes to all of you on this board.</quote> You heavily studied Christianity but you just skimmed over the ten commandments. Makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/07/18 4:23:40 PM #39:	Sahuagin posted... murder is unjust killing. the death penalty is just killing. (at least hypothetically. the point is that "legalized murder" is a contradiction. however any particular law that says to kill someone may or may not be moral/ethical.) And who defines justice? "Legalized murder" is indeed a contradiction, which is the point. The death penalty is only "not murder" because the judiciary body - the same body that is doing the killing - says it's not. "Murder" is defined on the basis of a given society's laws, such that applying a directive that far predates the nuances of said laws has to consider more than just those modern laws. This is why theology gets complicated. In a broader moral sense, it'd be easiest to define "murder" as "killing when killing is a greater evil than not killing." That gets even more complicated (cue abortion debates), but insofar as the death penalty is concerned, morally justifying the death penalty - which is necessary to exempt it from a label of "murder" - requires you to say that letting the person live would be a greater evil than killing them, and that's only really possible if you're unable to guarantee that society will be protected from them (read: you suck at keeping people in jail). Kyuubi4269 posted... Because after the first one they don't bring anything new to the table. I trust you can back up that claim with statistics demonstrating that nobody has ever successfully appealed the death penalty after losing their first appeal? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:899229481] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sahuagin posted...</cite> <quote>murder is unjust killing. the death penalty is just killing. (at least hypothetically. the point is that "legalized murder" is a contradiction. however any particular law that says to kill someone may or may not be moral/ethical.)</quote> And who defines justice? "Legalized murder" is indeed a contradiction, which is the point. The death penalty is only "not murder" because the judiciary body - the same body that is doing the killing - says it's not. "Murder" is defined on the basis of a given society's laws, such that applying a directive that far predates the nuances of said laws has to consider more than just those modern laws. This is why theology gets complicated. In a broader moral sense, it'd be easiest to define "murder" as "killing when killing is a greater evil than not killing." That gets even more complicated (cue abortion debates), but insofar as the death penalty is concerned, morally justifying the death penalty - which is necessary to exempt it from a label of "murder" - requires you to say that letting the person live would be a greater evil than killing them, and that's only really possible if you're unable to guarantee that society will be protected from them (read: you suck at keeping people in jail). <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Because after the first one they don't bring anything new to the table. </quote> I trust you can back up that claim with statistics demonstrating that nobody has ever successfully appealed the death penalty after losing their first appeal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sahuagin 04/07/18 4:28:38 PM #40:	adjl posted... The death penalty is only "not murder" because the judiciary body - the same body that is doing the killing - says it's not. no, it's the opposite of that. for killing to be "murder", the law has to make it murder. there are lots of kinds of killing that aren't murder, not just the death penalty. --- *The truth basks in scrutiny.* http://i.imgur.com/GMouTGs.jpg http://projecteuler.net/profile/Sahuagin.png <cite>Sahuagin posted [p:899229739] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote> The death penalty is only "not murder" because the judiciary body - the same body that is doing the killing - says it's not.</quote> no, it's the opposite of that. for killing to be "murder", the law has to make it murder. there are lots of kinds of killing that aren't murder, not just the death penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 04/07/18 6:56:22 PM #41:	JTekashiro posted... bulbinking posted... JTekashiro posted... In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution! Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, and jesus never said he came to bring peace, but instead a sword. Passivistic christcucks are what ruined the institution of christianity in the west. People forgot what turn the other cheek actually means. Not that im religious, but you cant claim to form an accurate opinion on why something is wrong without studying it first. That goes to all of you on this board. You heavily studied Christianity but you just skimmed over the ten commandments. Makes sense. Wow its like you didnt read where several people including me have been btfoing adjl for saying the bible condemns all killing as murder and thus a sin. Nice try, revisionists. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:899237025] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>JTekashiro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JTekashiro posted...</cite> <quote>In God we trust... unless it has to do with getting revenge for crimes committed against my family, amirite? To hell with the Bible, let's get some old-fashioned retribution!</quote> Pretty sure nothing in bible speaking against death penalty, and jesus never said he came to bring peace, but instead a sword. Passivistic christcucks are what ruined the institution of christianity in the west. People forgot what turn the other cheek actually means. Not that im religious, but you cant claim to form an accurate opinion on why something is wrong without studying it first. That goes to all of you on this board.</quote> You heavily studied Christianity but you just skimmed over the ten commandments. Makes sense.</quote> Wow its like you didnt read where several people including me have been btfoing adjl for saying the bible condemns all killing as murder and thus a sin. Nice try, revisionists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/07/18 7:07:55 PM #42:	Sahuagin posted... there are lots of kinds of killing that aren't murder, Because the law says they aren't. Just like the death penalty. The key difference being that the judiciary body is excusing other people in those cases, as opposed to itself, so there's a little more circular logic going on with the death penalty. Basically, it doesn't make much sense to interpret a moral reference text as saying "killing's only bad if your local laws say so," since that's just rendered redundant by those local laws. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:899237511] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sahuagin posted...</cite> <quote>there are lots of kinds of killing that aren't murder,</quote> Because the law says they aren't. Just like the death penalty. The key difference being that the judiciary body is excusing other people in those cases, as opposed to itself, so there's a little more circular logic going on with the death penalty. Basically, it doesn't make much sense to interpret a moral reference text as saying "killing's only bad if your local laws say so," since that's just rendered redundant by those local laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeeVees 04/07/18 7:14:31 PM #43:	And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay. --- Rudy sucks <cite>VeeVees posted [p:899237844] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waterdeepchu 04/07/18 8:15:21 PM #44:	I cannot support death penalty in any situation, because we have undeniably executed innocent people. The very least we can do is give them their entire natural life to prove their innocence, from prison. --- Friend Code: 2707-2146-0610 Ditto, Kecleon, Lillipup <cite>waterdeepchu posted [p:899240901] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote>I cannot support death penalty in any situation, because we have undeniably executed innocent people. The very least we can do is give them their entire natural life to prove their innocence, from prison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sahuagin 04/07/18 8:24:47 PM #45:	adjl posted... Because the law says they aren't. Just like the death penalty. um, no. killing is by default legal until the law says what kinds of killing are illegal. the same with any crime. if the law has to make an exception at some point, that's only to a previous law which was too broadly applicable. it doesn't make much sense to interpret a moral reference text as saying "killing's only bad if your local laws say so," since that's just rendered redundant by those local laws. I don't know how you got to that. "thou shall not kill" is not a blanket statement, it's a poorly specified one. for one, it's a commandment to Jews to use between themselves and does not apply to killing foreigners, for example. for two, the literal punishment for not following commandments is being stoned to death. --- *The truth basks in scrutiny.* http://i.imgur.com/GMouTGs.jpg http://projecteuler.net/profile/Sahuagin.png <cite>Sahuagin posted [p:899241372] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Because the law says they aren't. Just like the death penalty.</quote> um, no. killing is by default legal until the law says what kinds of killing are illegal. the same with any crime. if the law has to make an exception at some point, that's only to a previous law which was too broadly applicable. <quote>it doesn't make much sense to interpret a moral reference text as saying "killing's only bad if your local laws say so," since that's just rendered redundant by those local laws.</quote> I don't know how you got to that. "thou shall not kill" is not a blanket statement, it's a poorly specified one. for one, it's a commandment to Jews to use between themselves and does not apply to killing foreigners, for example. for two, the literal punishment for not following commandments is being stoned to death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/08/18 12:33:19 AM #46:	Sahuagin posted... adjl posted... what is the death penalty if not legalized murder murder is unjust killing. the death penalty is just killing. (at least hypothetically. the point is that "legalized murder" is a contradiction. however any particular law that says to kill someone may or may not be moral/ethical.) Executing prisoners is inherently unjust. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:899254097] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sahuagin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>what is the death penalty if not legalized murder</quote> murder is unjust killing. the death penalty is just killing. (at least hypothetically. the point is that "legalized murder" is a contradiction. however any particular law that says to kill someone may or may not be moral/ethical.)</quote> Executing prisoners is inherently unjust.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sahuagin 04/08/18 1:25:58 AM #47:	Zeus posted... Executing prisoners is inherently unjust. ...is an assumption you're free to hold, but you're going to have to support it a little better than that for me to agree. --- *The truth basks in scrutiny.* http://i.imgur.com/GMouTGs.jpg http://projecteuler.net/profile/Sahuagin.png <cite>Sahuagin posted [p:899256334] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Executing prisoners is inherently unjust.</quote> ...is an assumption you're free to hold, but you're going to have to support it a little better than that for me to agree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/08/18 1:21:56 PM #48:	VeeVees posted... And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay. I guess it's a good thing that never happened. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:899275181] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>VeeVees posted...</cite> <quote>And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay.</quote> I guess it's a good thing that never happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeeVees 04/08/18 1:44:39 PM #49:	Revelation34 posted... VeeVees posted... And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay. I guess it's a good thing that never happened. Sure, but if people want to use the bible as argument for not killing criminals then they should remember their god is a huge fan of the death penalty. --- Rudy sucks <cite>VeeVees posted [p:899276281] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VeeVees posted...</cite> <quote>And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay.</quote> I guess it's a good thing that never happened.</quote> Sure, but if people want to use the bible as argument for not killing criminals then they should remember their god is a huge fan of the death penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/09/18 2:13:04 AM #50:	Sahuagin posted... Zeus posted... Executing prisoners is inherently unjust. ...is an assumption you're free to hold, but you're going to have to support it a little better than that for me to agree. ...is not an assumption or even an opinion, it's a maxim. VeeVees posted... Revelation34 posted... VeeVees posted... And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay. I guess it's a good thing that never happened. Sure, but if people want to use the bible as argument for not killing criminals then they should remember their god is a huge fan of the death penalty. Old Testament Yahweh, not New Testament. People grow up. Sooner or later, people mature enough to realize that the death penalty is a barbaric, outdated practice with no place in a modern, civilized nation. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:899322231] in Florida Ma... [t:76489690]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sahuagin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Executing prisoners is inherently unjust.</quote> ...is an assumption you're free to hold, but you're going to have to support it a little better than that for me to agree.</quote> ...is not an assumption or even an opinion, it's a maxim. <cite>VeeVees posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VeeVees posted...</cite> <quote>And then god decided to kill almost the entire planet to wash away the sin. So obviously some killing is okay.</quote> I guess it's a good thing that never happened.</quote> Sure, but if people want to use the bible as argument for not killing criminals then they should remember their god is a huge fan of the death penalty.</quote> Old Testament Yahweh, not New Testament. People grow up. Sooner or later, people mature enough to realize that the death penalty is a barbaric, outdated practice with no place in a modern, civilized nation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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