Poll of the Day > What game would you say is the most improved sequel? (rules)

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Rules are that it has to be an immediate sequel, so can't say Final Fantasy 4 over 1 or 2, and would have to be markedly improved for 3... or whatever.

I'll start with Lufia 2, which took mediocre lameness and turned it into the best RPG on the SNES.
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No More Heroes 2 improved on gameplay a lot

We <3 katamari was everything the first one was but ten times better. Guitar hero 2 over guitar hero one. NBA 2k11 vs nba 2k10. Assassins creed brotherhood > assassins creed 2. Diablo 2 >>>>> diablo. Far cry 3 >>>>> far cry 2. Resident evil 2 >>>>> resident evil 1. Same with resident evil 4 >>>>> 3. Street fighter 2 >^a million street fighter, same with soul caliber. Sonic adventure 2 >>>>> sonic adventure one.

I can think of more give me a bit
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Oh god think of the jump between super smash brothers and super smash brothers melee.
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AssCreed 2
Uncharted 2
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Kingdom Hearts II, but only in terms of combat.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Uncharted 2

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.
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DW3
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Zeus posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Uncharted 2

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.

You should really go back and play U1 it's absolutely an upgrade lol
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

DW3

What do those letters mean?
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sf2
going from unplayable garbage to genre defining
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Silent Hill 2

I love the SH series, but NO sequel aside from the MGS series has moved me quite like SH2

MICHALECOLE posted...

Krow_Incarnate posted...

DW3

What do those letters mean?

Dynasty Warriors 3

One could argue that the second game was an improvement over the first due to a genre shift, but DW3 was literally just DW2 with a massive graphics overhaul, additional characters, new movesets for pre-existing characters, items, weapon levels, new stages....

DW2 while still fun, is super barebones. Whereas DW3 is literally DW2, but stuffed to the brim with content and it introduced a whole bunch of mechanics that became mainstays within the series.

I mean, even the character models(aside from a few exceptions) and music are the same.
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assassins Creed 2 made assassins Creed 1 look like an alpha demo
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Halo 3 babyyyyyy. No dual wield needles, no laser beam battle rifle, less glitch combos like bxr and rrx. Freakin super bouncing. Sword wasn't unlimited anymore
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Sonic adventure 2 >>>>> sonic adventure one.

Station Square and Casinopolis, you peasant.
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blorfenburger posted...

Halo 3 babyyyyyy. No dual wield needles, no laser beam battle rifle, less glitch combos like bxr and rrx. Freakin super bouncing. Sword wasn't unlimited anymore

Sounds awful.
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What game would you say is the most improved sequel?

Elite: Dangerous.


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Sonic adventure 2 >>>>> sonic adventure one.

Station Square and Casinopolis, you peasant.

Sonic adventure 2 >>>> sonic adventure one, you pheasant
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The biggest one for me is Super Smash Bros. to SSB Melee.
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VeeVees posted...

sf2
going from unplayable garbage to genre defining

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Zeus posted...

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Also have you really never heard of In Medias Res?
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Anyway, came in to say Sonic Adventure 2, but since that's been covered, I'll say Sonic 2 itself.

Also Devil May Cry 3, if we pretend DMC2 never happened.
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Feels like all I've been doing here lately is talking about Dark Cloud 2.
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Not exactly a mainstream popular game, but Riven: The Sequel to Myst > Myst. It has a much larger, more detailed world, with many more complicated puzzles and a better story. The main problem with Riven is that some of the puzzles can't be solved with logic. You literally have to get lucky and/or use a walkthrough to solve them.
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2nd gen Pokemon. While it still had a lot of issues that later games addressed, it fixed the worst of gen 1's problems: Wrap no longer made it impossible to act until the opponent decided to do something else. You could actually act on the turn you woke up from Sleep.

Psychic types werent immune to ghost. Steel and Dark types resolved numerous balance issues (mostly caused by Psychic type). New moves with the Dragon, Bug and Ghost type that actually made using them meaningful. The game would tell you the power of moves. 100% accuracy actually mean 100% accuracy.

Focus Energy and Dire Hit actually increased critical chance, compared to gen 1 where they reduced it due to a bug. Moves like Gust and Karate Chop were given appropriate types for their intended use (both were Normal type in gen 1. Gust became Flying and Karate Chop became Fighting)

Time based mechanics, a huge number of new Pokemon, entirely new region, and of course the entire Kanto region...

And many many more features. It was a staggeringly ambitious game, and im proved upon gen 1 in every way.
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waterdeepchu posted...

2nd gen Pokemon

100% agreed. Still my favorite gen.
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Arkham City took everything Asylum did right and then made it bigger and better.

Probably Grand Theft Auto 3. Compare this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZZX1uO7Hg" data-time="

To this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ynHsWoFKVk" data-time="

Might have to change my answer to either Pokemon Gen II or GTA III. Forgot just how drastically they both changed the series.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Oh god think of the jump between super smash brothers and super smash brothers melee.

Metalsonic66 posted...

waterdeepchu posted...

2nd gen Pokemon

100% agreed. Still my favorite gen.

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Red Dead Redemption.

Red Dead Revolver was fun, but Redemption took it to a whole 'nother level.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Oh god think of the jump between super smash brothers and super smash brothers melee.

Oh hell yea. I played melee before the original and I remember wondering how they managed to add so much to the game in a few short years.
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

Dynasty Warriors 3

One could argue that the second game was an improvement over the first due to a genre shift, but DW3 was literally just DW2 with a massive graphics overhaul, additional characters, new movesets for pre-existing characters, items, weapon levels, new stages....

DW2 while still fun, is super barebones. Whereas DW3 is literally DW2, but stuffed to the brim with content and it introduced a whole bunch of mechanics that became mainstays within the series.

I mean, even the character models(aside from a few exceptions) and music are the same.

Never played any DW before 4, but I'd say 5 after 4 and 8 after 7 also count.
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That reminds me; Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (which was technically Freedom 2 with a ton of bonus content) was a massive improvement over the first game.

Also surprised no one has mentioned Mega Man 2 yet (though I personally preferred 3)
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Also surprised no one has mentioned Mega Man 2 yet (though I personally preferred 3)

I loved the hell out of 2, but I honestly don't feel it is that big of an improvement over the original. I mean yea they added a password system and a difficulty setting (which they removed in later games) and upped the number of levels to 8, but other then that it was largely the same game just more polished.
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Dikitain posted...

I loved the hell out of 2, but I honestly don't feel it is that big of an improvement over the original. I mean yea they added a password system and a difficulty setting (which they removed in later games) and upped the number of levels to 8, but other then that it was largely the same game just more polished.

While I mostly agree with you, I really only brought it up because usually a ton of people bring it up in this type of thread.

Though I think it's the level of polish that sets it apart for most people. The first one feels very half-assed in a lot of ways, to me.
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KOTOR 2
Assassin's Creed 2
Saint's Row 2
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Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy V
Super Mario Bros. 3
Dragon Warrior III
Donkey Kong Country
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Seahawker posted...

KOTOR 2

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Also Devil May Cry 3, if we pretend DMC2 never happened

Regardless , DMC3 is 1000x better than dmc2

Dark souls 3 VS Dark Souls 2
Borderlands 2 VS Borderlands 1
Warcraft 2 VS Warcraft 1
Warcraft 3 VS Warcraft 2 (not really fair since Starcraft is basically Warcraft 3)
Seiken Densetsu 2 VS Seiken Densetsu 1
(there's probably an enormous list of SNES games that are significantly better than their NES counterparts.)
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shin megami tensei iv apocalypse
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DevilSummoner1 posted...

shin megami tensei iv apocalypse

That's a hard sell since SMT3 was like the best game
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Lokarin posted...

DevilSummoner1 posted...

shin megami tensei iv apocalypse

That's a hard sell since SMT3 was like the best game

smt iv is after 3, then apocalypse.

i think smt iv:a improved a lot from smt iv
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Nightengale posted...

Zeus posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Uncharted 2

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.

You should really go back and play U1 it's absolutely an upgrade lol

U1 had better storytelling, a more compelling narrative, and the shorter time-frame gave the adventure a greater feel. Plus the eventual enemies were a lot creepier and the campy Eddie Raja might be my favorite Uncharted antagonist. The one knock against it is the gunplay, since the difficulty was a lot more punishing in U1. Even the hardest difficulty in U2 felt like a cakewalk by comparison.

waterdeepchu posted...

2nd gen Pokemon. While it still had a lot of issues that later games addressed, it fixed the worst of gen 1's problems: Wrap no longer made it impossible to act until the opponent decided to do something else. You could actually act on the turn you woke up from Sleep.

Psychic types werent immune to ghost. Steel and Dark types resolved numerous balance issues (mostly caused by Psychic type). New moves with the Dragon, Bug and Ghost type that actually made using them meaningful. The game would tell you the power of moves. 100% accuracy actually mean 100% accuracy.

Focus Energy and Dire Hit actually increased critical chance, compared to gen 1 where they reduced it due to a bug. Moves like Gust and Karate Chop were given appropriate types for their intended use (both were Normal type in gen 1. Gust became Flying and Karate Chop became Fighting)

Time based mechanics, a huge number of new Pokemon, entirely new region, and of course the entire Kanto region...

And many many more features. It was a staggeringly ambitious game, and im proved upon gen 1 in every way.

tbh, Gen 2 didn't so much feel like an improvement as it felt like a patch (ie, cleaning up numerous bugs and design flaws, in addition to adding new types). Gen 2 to 3 was when the game really seemed to undergo the defining changes, since they moved from stat exp to EVs, added abilities, etc. Not to mention double battle mechanics, which has more or less become the standard for Pokemon tournaments.

ChouBF posted...

Probably Grand Theft Auto 3. Compare this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ZZX1uO7Hg" data-time="

To this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ynHsWoFKVk" data-time="

Yeah, GTA3 was a great change to the franchise.
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Zeus posted...

U1 had better storytelling, a more compelling narrative, and the shorter time-frame gave the adventure a greater feel.

Zeus posted...

tbh, Gen 2 didn't so much feel like an improvement as it felt like a patch (ie, cleaning up numerous bugs and design flaws, in addition to adding new types). Gen 2 to 3 was when the game really seemed to undergo the defining changes, since they moved from stat exp to EVs, added abilities, etc. Not to mention double battle mechanics, which has more or less become the standard for Pokemon tournaments.

Can't agree with either of those opinions.
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Darksiders 2
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Anything Naughty Dog.

But I have to agree most with a poster mentioning Melee.
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Mad_Max posted...

Darksiders 2

Eww, no.
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