Poll of the Day > What game would you say is the most improved sequel? (rules)

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Mad_Max posted...

Darksiders 2

Eww, no.

Darksiders 2 is a huge improvement over the first game. First game is still awesome, though.
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Zeus posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Uncharted 2

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.

@Zeus you realize this is an EXTREMELY unpopular opinion? Uncharted 2 is widely regarded as the best in the series.
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waterdeepchu posted...

2nd gen Pokemon. While it still had a lot of issues that later games addressed, it fixed the worst of gen 1's problems: Wrap no longer made it impossible to act until the opponent decided to do something else. You could actually act on the turn you woke up from Sleep.

Psychic types werent immune to ghost. Steel and Dark types resolved numerous balance issues (mostly caused by Psychic type). New moves with the Dragon, Bug and Ghost type that actually made using them meaningful. The game would tell you the power of moves. 100% accuracy actually mean 100% accuracy.

Focus Energy and Dire Hit actually increased critical chance, compared to gen 1 where they reduced it due to a bug. Moves like Gust and Karate Chop were given appropriate types for their intended use (both were Normal type in gen 1. Gust became Flying and Karate Chop became Fighting)

Time based mechanics, a huge number of new Pokemon, entirely new region, and of course the entire Kanto region...

And many many more features. It was a staggeringly ambitious game, and im proved upon gen 1 in every way.

I don't recall Psychic being immune to ghost in gen 1. The problem was the only moves that were super effective had pathetic BSP and the only real pokes that could get the STAB were tainted with Poison typing.

Throw in the fact nothing resisted Psychic attacks aside from it's own typing and that was just icing on the unbalanced cake.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Zeus posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Uncharted 2

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.

@Zeus you realize this is an EXTREMELY unpopular opinion? Uncharted 2 is widely regarded as the best in the series.

Yeah, @Zeus - Uncharted 2 is way better than the first, in about every conceivable way.
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Far-Queue posted...

Darksiders 2 is a huge improvement over the first game.

I guess in terms of mobility and combat, yeah, but the RPG elements hurt it more than helped IMO, and the story pissed me off when it didn't pick up where the first game's cliffhanger left off.
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Super Mario Bros. 3
Donkey Kong Country 2
Grand Theft Auto III
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Darksiders 2 is a huge improvement over the first game.

I guess in terms of mobility and combat, yeah, but the RPG elements hurt it more than helped IMO, and the story pissed me off when it didn't pick up where the first game's cliffhanger left off.

Nah, the RPG elements are awesome. And the Diablo loot is cool, too.

The unresolved cliffhanger is a legit bummer, though. Hopefully they get to fix that in Darksiders 3.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Zeus posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Uncharted 2

U2 was a downgrade. You should feel embarrassed for suggesting it. Among other things, it had to "preview" a later mission at the beginning because it started so tepid.

@ Zeus you realize this is an EXTREMELY unpopular opinion? Uncharted 2 is widely regarded as the best in the series.

@DirtBasedSoap Overlooking your lack of citations and reliance on your personal belief of the game's perception on the game's popularity for a second....
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

WHATZITUYA posted...

I don't recall Psychic being immune to ghost in gen 1. The problem was the only moves that were super effective had pathetic BSP and the only real pokes that could get the STAB were tainted with Poison typing.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ghost_(type)#Generation_I

Far-Queue posted...

Yeah, @Zeus - Uncharted 2 is way better than the first, in about every conceivable way.

@Far-Queue No. Just no. The storytelling was messier, which is why they relied on that mid-game opener (which, by the way, completely spoils the scene when it finally happens). The difficulty was pushed way down (although, again, it might been a *little* too hard in places). And they jet-set between as many locales as possible to hide the fact that the game didn't do any of them particularly great, except maybe for parts of Shambhala.

Plus the final boss fight felt contextually out of place in a more realistic setting, considering no matter how roided out you get, headshots should be fatal. Not to mention that it feels out of place in the original trilogy since the other two games relied on artifacts which were simply biological weapons and, of course, were far more capable of causing harm on a massive scale

But feel free to actually detail your opinion.
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Its fine that you think the first one is better but dont tell me I should be embarrassed for thinking 2 is way better. 1>2 is a fringe opinion. Look at literally any uncharted forum where people rank the games by personal favorites.
2 was unbelievably more polished than 1.

When Uncharted 1 came out it got like 7s and 8s/10 and then two years later when 2 came out it was getting 9s and 10s and was up for GotY nearly everywhere. Im not saying that means it was objectively a better game, just trying to show you that you thinking 1>2 is not at all in line with the general consensus. @Zeus
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

1>2 is a fringe opinion. Look at literally any uncharted forum where people rank the games by personal favorites.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

Otherwise it's interesting that you claim it's so prevalent yet fail to provide links to any sources confirming it.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

When Uncharted 1 came out it got like 7s and 8s/10 and then two years later when 2 came out it was getting 9s and 10s and was up for GotY nearly everywhere. Im not saying that means it was objectively a better game, just trying to show you that you thinking 1>2 is not at all in line with the general consensus.

Which again is failing to argue based on any articulated merits and instead deferring to what other people think. Possibly because you know you can't actually defend it.

@DirtBasedSoap
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Im not talking about the quality of the games though. Im saying your comment about how I should be embarrassed for thinking Uncharted 2 was a huge upgrade over 1 was stupid. @zeus
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Street fighter II by far

xjayguyx posted...

Street fighter II by far

ya....... Fighting Street was pretty garbage. The leap between 1 and 2 eclipses some 2D to 3D transitions.
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Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...
Yeah, @Zeus - Uncharted 2 is way better than the first, in about every conceivable way.

No. Just no. The storytelling was messier, which is why they relied on that mid-game opener (which, by the way, completely spoils the scene when it finally happens). The difficulty was pushed way down (although, again, it might been a *little* too hard in places). And they jet-set between as many locales as possible to hide the fact that the game didn't do any of them particularly great, except maybe for parts of Shambhala.

Plus the final boss fight felt contextually out of place in a more realistic setting, considering no matter how roided out you get, headshots should be fatal. Not to mention that it feels out of place in the original trilogy since the other two games relied on artifacts which were simply biological weapons and, of course, were far more capable of causing harm on a massive scale

But feel free to actually detail your opinion.

@Zeus Locations in Uncharted 1 are repetitive. The twist and the supernatural turn are flat-out stupid. No idea how you can possibly think the storytelling in the first game is better with that godawful twist (basically from the submarine forward. For what it's worth I didn't like the yetis in Uncharted 2, either.) Set pieces were a million times better in the second game (convoy chase, Tibetan village assault, helicopter chase, the falling train... all memorable moments. Can't think of a single moment in the first game that really wowed me). The gameplay is mediocre in the first game. Much more polished and refined in the second. Which is really what matters in the end. Uncharted 2 is a better game. Even if you prefer the story in the first, you can't argue that the second game is simply better executed.
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xjayguyx posted...

Street fighter II by far

I totally agree.
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Far-Queue posted...

Locations in Uncharted 1 are repetitive.

Whereas 2 had a lot of jet-setting to give forced, artificial variety. It lacked focus. The fact that 1 stayed on the same island gave it a more powerful, focused feeling. The exploration felt more genuine and it seemed like more of an adventure.

Far-Queue posted...

No idea how you can possibly think the storytelling in the first game is better with that godawful twist

I also enjoyed Raiders of the Lost Ark. Didn't you? >_>

But sure, the first time I played it, the twist bugged me a little because it didn't seem like there was that much foreshadowing. However, out of the first three games' twists, I think I like 1's the most. And, logically, it makes more sense than 2's and is more visually interesting than 3's.

Far-Queue posted...

Even if you prefer the story in the first, you can't argue that the second game is simply better executed.

Not sure in what way. Like I said from the get-go, the only arguable improvement was ramping down the difficulty. Beyond that, some of the things in the sequels seemed to control a bit worse. Shortcomings in the controls were far more evident during the rooftop helicopter chase, for instance.
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@Zeus

If you thought the story in 2 lacked focus, I'd say it was you who lacked focus and couldn't follow the plot. It's not a complicated story, and it was told competently. Moreso than the first game, at that.

And theres no way the controls in 2 were worse. Must be user error on that end. You should really go back and play them again, because your memory must be foggy if that's how you remember these games.
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Zone of the Enders 2. one of the best sequels ever.

Witcher 3

minervo posted...

Witcher 3

I heard Witcher 2 was pretty good though, I'd like to hear your argument
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Lokarin posted...

minervo posted...

Witcher 3

I heard Witcher 2 was pretty good though, I'd like to hear your argument

I have witcher 2. The graphics are grainy, Geralt looks ugly, and tho the first chapter was really good cause it was linear, the second chapter where you had to use the awful map to navigate turned me off completely so i stopped there. I just play witcher 3 again.

Few I don't agree with for various reasons.

Lufia 2 was better then one of course, but my favorite part, the dungeon (where your level gets reset and you can only bring out gold items) was broken at the end...which made me a sad panda. Still loved it, but wouldn't say it was the best improvement in an RPG.

Zelda 2 is my favorite of the series, but....The first Zelda was insanely good for it's time and in it's own way better then 2 in some ways. I prefer side scrolling action rpgs, but the first Zelda was a masterpiece.

Borederlands 2 is probably the best of the series, but to say it's a huge improvement over one, is a not giving one enough credit. I still go back and play it, and in fact, I like the chars from 1 more then in 2 or prequel still. Again, the first was a masterpiece for it's time, and while the second improved on it, I wouldn't put it on a list of most improved games.

Not sure how KH2 is an improvement over all, let alone one of the most improved games. Almost everything was better in 1, except you had a slightly more complicated combat system in 2. I much prefered the story, characters, worlds etc in 1, and it is the game I replay by far the most (probably 6+ times vs twice for KH2 so far).

I have to agree with Diablo 2 though, as even though the first was great for it's time, D2 was a huge step up for the game, and the genre, bringing action RPGs to multiplayer far better then Phantasy Star Online did (even if I loved PSO a ton). D2 took my addiction to PSO which I almost totally played solo, and put it into overdrive, and finally got me out of my shell to play video games online with other people.

For that reason it's my choice for most improved game. Diablo 2 not only improved a TON over the first game, but it improved a type of gaming completly as well.
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Dishonored 2 > Dishonored

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For Uncharted, in terms of story, 2>3>1.
In terms of gameplay and set-piece moments, 3>2>1.
In terms of overall composition, 2>3>1.
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The Witcher series. Every single game is a massive improvement over the other.

The first was a breath of fresh air that I desperately, but dear god does it have a lot of problems. It's nigh unplayable at this point with the slow movement speed, very bad 2/5 of the game that just drags on forever, insanely long loading times, and constant crashes.

The Second was really great. got no big problems wit it other than that even on the easiest setting I have sort of a hard time with it.

The third CDProjekt really really outdid themselves. Seriously, I didn't expect gaming to get this good in my lifetime, and I'm so happy about it.
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