Poll of the Day > welp this line from a comic book really makes me facepalm

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"today my gender identity is terrible puns i just gotta be me"

the book i just read had this line and it just came off as a little stupid...like as stupid as Manplaining

that's not even a line it's just horrible
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Youre the PotD equivalent of that line, NMB.
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Sarcasthma posted...

Youre the PotD equivalent of that line, NMB.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Still not as bad as Marvel's America.

it's still a line that doesn't need to exist much like that infamous america line
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What's the infamous marvel America line

SkynyrdRocker posted...

What's the infamous marvel America line

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NightMareBunny posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

What's the infamous marvel America line

The gender identity one is worse.
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You should tag your stalker and then complain about it.
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Yeah
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NightMareBunny posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

What's the infamous marvel America line

I'm so confused.
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Is America an Xmen? I mean an Xman... an ex man
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Lokarin posted...

Is America an Xmen? I mean an Xman... an ex man

no she isn't but she was apart of a team known as the young avengers(which you could basically call a group of rookies in training)
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keyblader1985 posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

What's the infamous marvel America line

I'm so confused.

..do people really think that people talk like this?
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NightMareBunny posted...

Lokarin posted...

Is America an Xmen? I mean an Xman... an ex man

no she isn't but she was apart of a team known as the young avengers(which you could basically call a group of rookies in training)

She has an abnormally strong chin... like almost Dick Tracy levels
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Lokarin posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

Lokarin posted...

Is America an Xmen? I mean an Xman... an ex man

no she isn't but she was apart of a team known as the young avengers(which you could basically call a group of rookies in training)

She has an abnormally strong chin... like almost Dick Tracy levels

that can be blamed on the artist she doesn't look like that most of the time if you google her(America chavez)

her most notable power is being able to punch or kick holes through other dimensions and then traveling through them or tossing someone into them

like say punching a bad guy into another dimension
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Is there a hero called Gender Bender that can change their gender on command?

Andromicus posted...

Is there a hero called Gender Bender that can change their gender on command?

Ya, Ranma 1/2
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Nade Duck posted...

..do people really think that people talk like this?

So you're saying there isn't a single person out of 7.6 billion people that say things like that?
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Sarcasthma posted...

Youre the PotD equivalent of that line, NMB.

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Lokarin posted...

Andromicus posted...

Is there a hero called Gender Bender that can change their gender on command?

Ya, Ranma 1/2

It's been a couple decades since I watched that, but doesn't that only happen when Ranma get submerged in water?
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note the line that started this topic came from moonstruck#1(from image comics)and was said by a non-binary centaur

go figure
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Revelation34 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

..do people really think that people talk like this?

So you're saying there isn't a single person out of 7.6 billion people that say things like that?

0.00000001~% of the population talking like a weird stupid robot doesn't make it not weird and stupid all of a sudden.
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The comic book companies all need new writers.

Holdovers from the '80s and '90s (and, in the case of DC, the '70s) are not going to sound modern, no matter how much they follow Twitter.
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I_Abibde posted...

The comic book companies all need new writers.

Holdovers from the '80s and '90s (and, in the case of DC, the '70s) are not going to sound modern, no matter how much they follow Twitter.

Al Ewing is a newer writer and he's taking over hulk
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I_Abibde posted...

The comic book companies all need new writers.

Holdovers from the '80s and '90s (and, in the case of DC, the '70s) are not going to sound modern, no matter how much they follow Twitter.

Uh, what? These ARE the new writers. They've been bringing in virtue-signaling SJWs who clumsily advocate values instead of telling competent stories. That's how guys like Coates wind up writing comics.
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Zeus posted...

Uh, what? These ARE the new writers.

Then I do not see myself going back to comic books any time soon. *shakes head*
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most of them aren't like gabby rivera
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NightMareBunny posted...

Lokarin posted...

Is America an Xmen? I mean an Xman... an ex man

no she isn't but she was apart of a team known as the young avengers(which you could basically call a group of rookies in training)

America's entire concept was basically what would happen if Tumblr somehow gained self-awareness and congealed into human form.

The fact that she wound up on the Young Avengers was pretty much a given, considering that was already the team with the token gay couple, the token black Captain America, and the token feminist.

But also:


Lokarin posted...

Is America an Xmen? I mean an Xman... an ex man

Technically. He was one of the students in the new X-Men titles of the early 2000s, but got booted out of the school after he lost his powers (like most mutants) after M-Day (don't ask, comics are confusing). But then it turned out he kinda-sorta still had powers after all (in a way), so they basically let him hang out with the X-Men and later other teams like the Avengers as long as he just operates as a support character.


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Oh, and if we're throwing out our candidates for the worst comic lines in recent history, I think my money is still on this one:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/933/710/93a.png



Zeus posted...

Uh, what? These ARE the new writers. They've been bringing in virtue-signaling SJWs who clumsily advocate values instead of telling competent stories. That's how guys like Coates wind up writing comics.

To be fair, the backlash against that sort of writing is leading Marvel to pull way back on the throttle there (which in turn is causing SJW backlash). Supposedly the new direction is going to dial back on a lot of the token diversity and "let's replace all the old characters with gender/race-swapped alternates" mentality in favor of putting more emphasis on the original characters again.

That being said, it'll probably still be all the same writers, and they'll still be working their political ideology into the stories, they'll just be doing it a bit more subtly and subversively as opposed to smashing you in the face with it to appeal to Tumblr. And you'll still be getting a lot of "WOMG LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!" comics in the indie scene, which is pretty much built on those these days.

Comics have been shit for years, honestly, even beyond the most ignorant aspects of youth culture and Internet culture seeping in like sewage. Even books that don't suffer from that at all tend to be terrible because of the lack of editorial control or giving-a-fuck that typified the best eras of the major companies.


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NightMareBunny posted...

her most notable power is being able to punch or kick holes through other dimensions and then traveling through them or tossing someone into them

like say punching a bad guy into another dimension

So a less competent Nightcrawler?
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no editorial control gave us books like saga the walking dead paper girls east of west deadly class lazarus black monday murders and tokyo ghost

i enjoy marvel comics but you gotta admit that if someone wants to show their best stuff it's not gonna be at marvel or dc
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NightMareBunny posted...

no editorial control gave us books like saga the walking dead paper girls east of west deadly class lazarus black monday murders and tokyo ghost

It's easier to be good without editorial control if you're a fully creator-owned property that lives or dies on the quality, and when you can tell longform stories without having to worry about what the next writer is going to do. And when your comic is a singular, self-contained story, and you don't have to worry about ever crossing over with other stories that may have different tonal or genre implications than yours, or having to write someone else's characters "correctly".

But that's also meaningless when you're talking about titles like Avengers, X-Men, Batman, etc, where the writer is expected to respect the stories of the past while not shitting all over the property in ways that future writers feel compelled to fix (hello, Grant Morrison!). When you're dealing with company-owned characters or titles, you pretty much NEED strong editorial to keep writer and artist egos in check and to protect the brand for future use.

It's telling that the most memorable and beloved X-Men characters and stories came from a time period when Marvel had the strongest editorial control its ever had and when the title had a single writer for more than a decade who could completely control the direction of the book. Once Jim Shooter got fired and Claremont got forced off the book, though, the franchise pretty much nosedived straight into a septic tank (which it has arguably never recovered from).

Also, the converse is that, while creator-owned titles can be some of the best comics in the business, they can also be some of the most terrible, ideological, poorly-written hipster bullshit you've ever seen. For every gem you'll find a turd if you look (rather than just taking recommendations for the most popular books).



NightMareBunny posted...

i enjoy marvel comics but you gotta admit that if someone wants to show their best stuff it's not gonna be at marvel or dc

I'd agree, but the converse of that is that nearly every quality story Marvel or DC has ever produced came at times when editorial was both strong AND in the hands of enthusiastic and creative editors (as opposed to purely corporate editors), while most of the periods where editorial was at its weakest also tended to produce some of the most forgettable or embarrassing shit that everyone does their best to pretend never happened (ie, a large part of why most comic fans loathe the 1990s as a whole).

It's also telling that most of the artists who complained the most about editorial interference in the 1980s went on to form Image, where they had total creative freedom, and used it to put out a roaring waterfall of liquid feces. Image's reputation improved over time mostly only after they actually started to organize things better, kick out the worst offenders, and then started recruiting better creators to run their own singular creator-owned titles rather than trying to build an entire universe out of thinly-veiled copies of Marvel and DC characters.


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Also, speaking of Jim Shooter, the case of Valiant is pretty educational as well.

Shooter basically helped create Valiant after getting booted out of Marvel, and his editorial-heavy, pre-planned narrative philosophy helped the company turn out some critically-acclaimed titles that really wowed a jaded audience at a time when half a dozen other newly-formed comic companies were fighting each other for a piece of the pie in the shadow of the Big Two. Then his business partners forced him out of the company so they could sell it off at a huge profit to a video game company (which wanted to exploit the iconic characters to make video games), at which point the comics mostly turned to shit, and the brand as a whole slowly died off.

About 15 years later, other passionate comic fans acquired the rights to the brand and its characters, and restarted the line. By relying on a strong editorial model, the company produced a number of critically-acclaimed titles that really wowed a jaded and dying audience at a time when a handful of other smaller independent comic companies were fighting each other for a piece of the pie in the shadow of the Big Two. Fans finally started to be hopeful that Valiant would finally achieve the potential it had originally had before everything went to shit.

Then the current owners sold the brand off at a huge profit to a to a Chinese film production company (which wanted to exploit the iconic characters to make movies), at which point current fans have started to say they can see the comics beginning to turn to shit, and are starting to worry that the brand as a whole is going to slowly die off. Again.


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yeah valiant is probably not gonna do good soon
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Slightly related but why did Marvel ruin Ms. Marvel?
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Revelation34 posted...

Slightly related but why did Marvel ruin Ms. Marvel?

no idea i think civil war II shook up both carol danvers and the current ms marvel kamala khan in a bad way

hopefully Jason Aaron's avengers can fix carol somehow
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NightMareBunny posted...

no idea i think civil war II shook up both carol danvers and the current ms marvel kamala khan in a bad way

hopefully Jason Aaron's avengers can fix carol somehow

They can only fix it by bringing back the original design and getting rid of the bullshit SJWism.
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Zeus posted...

Uh, what? These ARE the new writers. They've been bringing in virtue-signaling SJWs who clumsily advocate values instead of telling competent stories. That's how guys like Coates wind up writing comics.

That's not sjw virtue signaling. That's like the attack helicopter joke, that's something an anti-sjw would say to be "edgy" and "trigger the sjws."
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Lokarin posted...

Andromicus posted...

Is there a hero called Gender Bender that can change their gender on command?

Ya, Ranma 1/2

Emporio Ivankov in One Piece.
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Revelation34 posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

no idea i think civil war II shook up both carol danvers and the current ms marvel kamala khan in a bad way

hopefully Jason Aaron's avengers can fix carol somehow

They can only fix it by bringing back the original design and getting rid of the bullshit SJWism.

except captain marvel is dead and demoting her back to ms.marvel would make no sense
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Where the fuck did the idea of comics not being political come from?
Comics have been political since day fucking 1.

knivesX2004 posted...

Where the fuck did the idea of comics not being political come from?
Comics have been political since day fucking 1.

hell even at image comics where it's all up to the creators to do whatever they want You'll see some political themed stories

but we got some whiners who want things to go back to how they were in the dark ages of comics when heroes just did boy scout stuff and fought cactus aliens
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knivesX2004 posted...

Where the fuck did the idea of comics not being political come from?
Comics have been political since day fucking 1.

I don't know if it is so much political vs. not as it is uniting vs. dividing.

In the golden age comics were "political" sure, but it was done as a way to unite people in the war effort. Nowadays comics aren't so much uniting people under a common goal so much as "Hey, lets make the Red Skull into Donald Trump, LOL!!!"

Plus if you go back far enough, I don't think there were very many political Penny Dreadful's. Not like I have read a ton, but still.
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Blaqthourne posted...

Lokarin posted...

Andromicus posted...

Is there a hero called Gender Bender that can change their gender on command?

Ya, Ranma 1/2

It's been a couple decades since I watched that, but doesn't that only happen when Ranma get submerged in water?

Ranma becomes female when in contact with cold water, and male when with warm/hot water. It doesn't have to be full submersion into said water, as a simple splash of water from someone throwing a cup of ice water out the window is enough to make it happen for Ranma as well as the few other characters with their own changes.
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NightMareBunny posted...

except captain marvel is dead and demoting her back to ms.marvel would make no sense

Retcons are always used in comics. Plus that wouldn't be a demotion anyway.
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nobody gave a crap about Mar-vell anyways so why bring him back just to shove carol back into the old costume
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NightMareBunny posted...

nobody gave a crap about Mar-vell anyways so why bring him back just to shove carol back into the old costume

"and getting rid of the bullshit SJWism."
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stop saying that....
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NightMareBunny posted...

stop saying that....

Stop saying something good?
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