Board 8 > ace attorney topic: the return (spoilers for 1-5, AAI1-2)

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Means is also quite the fan of the Gavinners, paying tribute by writing their logo in his time of despair.
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that ending is not good

the Means transformation is
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Means is also quite the fan of the Gavinners, paying tribute by writing their logo in his time of despair.

I mean who do you think invited Klavier
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LeonhartFour posted...

I've wondered this before but I was skimming through some AAI1 stuff last night and it occurred to me again, but is Lang illiterate? Like, every time someone hands him a document, he asks Shih-na to read it for him. Or maybe it's just he can't read English/Japanese despite being able to speak it since he can supposedly read those scrolls with Lang Zi sayings on them.

I was just going over E2-5. Lang reads the will without any help.
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So maybe it's just that he can't read English/Japanese, or it's a weird quirk.
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Does he ever actually read the Lang Zi scrolls though? Maybe he just doesn't know that language, as improbable as that should be.
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaangh...
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starbuck'd
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I like Starbuck because he's basically Larry with PTSD
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starbuck seems like he was really competent before he turned into larry though

more like ptsd turned him into larry
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Oh yeah, Starbuck was a genuinely good astronaut back before he got screwed up, but now he's basically sadsack Larry
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AAI2 is out on iOS and Android in Japan now.

time to have our hopes dashed
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Speaking of Ace Attorney on mobile, all the mobile versions are on sale right now.
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Bump
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hey it's psyche-locks! did not expect them since the magatama wasn't in the inventory. I actually feel a bit nostalgic for these things.
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Well, AJ showed you that Phoenix still had an important Kurain heirloom for seven years when he had no real use for it, so it'd make sense for him to still have it now that he's a lawyer again!
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I can't believe I forgot this important detail from GotY 2007 Apollo Justice!
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Hey!

It's almost Christmas!
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don't forget DL-6!
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[splash]

merry christmas
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...what splashes before he says Merry Christmas
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dammit
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this topic's not a goner yet
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Been swimming lately in the Arctic Ocean?

I just replayed Turnabout for Tomorrow. That case was top notch all the way through... so great! ... until you start cross-examining the Phantom, and then it goes to "bleh" and then to "terrible"....
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Haha, the Phantom section is pretty divisive. I personally liked it, although it could've been better. That Mood Matrix was A+ though.
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while i ususally like finale cases and they're among my favorites for each game, almost every single final cross exam felt too long to me. the only exceptions to me are 1-4 (obviously), 3-5 on replay, and e2-5.
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3-5's final testimony is great because it's just Maya telling the truth the best she can, no tricks and no deceit.
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i still don't think it's amazing, but it doesn't feel like a drag anymore. the first time i played through it was extra-annoying since i already knew the killer so it all felt redundant. on replay, i wasn't focused on the predictability of the plot, and the cross-examination felt, at the very least, logical. plus that AA3 testimony music is too good. worth it to hear that once more alone.
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I mean you always know who the killer is by the last testimony (usually before the last trial day even starts most of the time) so that's a rather strange complaint

Phoenix Wright is rarely a whodunnit on the second trial day

It's almost always how, not who
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the characters (phoenix specifically, i guess) don't know in 3-5, though. compare 1-2 or 3-3 for example, where phoenix actively thinks "i'll see you in court."

the issue is more that i knew by the first investigation or trial, whenever it was stated that godot was missing.
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By the last part of the trial, Phoenix clearly knows. He spends the entire Maya cross-examination accusing Godot of being the killer.

plus why is Phoenix going to think "hmm Godot wasn't there the first day of the trial he must've been killing Misty Fey instead!" before the beginning of trial day 2 even though from the player's perspective it clearly means something?

like I don't really get why this bothers you
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I find the end of 3-5 underwhelming as well but it's not because we know Godot is the killer, but because the whole thing is pointless. Godot likes Maya and doesn't actually want her to go to prison or evade justice himself; he just wants Phoenix to prove he's a Real Man or some similar nonsense. Godot's also the killer, but not the villain, so there's not much satisfying about proving he did it; the real climax of the case was proving to Dahlia she had failed and literally sending her to hell.

Phantom confrontation could be better in the specifics but I'm still a pretty big fan overall because Phantom's a compelling antagonist and is a great presence on the stand. Wish some of the specifics you were nailing him for were better but so it goes.

Really the only final AA confrontation I'm 100% happy with is AAI2's, which is weird because it's one of my least favourite final cases overall. The confrontation is just perfect, though: a strong personality, high stakes, some great humour, and not too long.
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E2-5 is one of my least favorite epic cases, too, but largely because the first half of the case isn't very good. The trial segment in particular is just flat out terrible. Once you get to the orphanage, it really picks up though.

But I think the end of 3-5 is supposed to be bittersweet. You're not supposed to feel good about putting Godot away.
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thoroughly agree on the part about 3-5

and weirdly i kind of agree with the take on e2-5. it's possibly my favorite post-AA3 case but it's certainly carried by the final acts
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there are about 5 cases post-OT better than E2-5

one of them is in the same game
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who posted
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though it might be only 2nd best after AA3

around tied for best, probably
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nah it's around tied for fifth with 5-6
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second best sounds right
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Probably closer to #15 for me! Don't really see the appeal of that one.
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well if we're talking overall it's just outside the top ten
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2-3 investigation day 1 has arrived
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LeonhartFour posted...

2-3 investigation day 1 has arrived

whoo
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why are you here
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LeonhartFour posted...

why are you here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qYbVQu7YAQ
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Don't forget DL-6!

*squawk*

the Maya and Pearl cameo in 5-5 is a neat surprise, I thought they were only in 6

too bad I've been spoiled on the other surprise
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holy hell, the ending to 5-5 investigation 1 sure is something
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heck yeah 5-5
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